Catherine was not brutal he was very disrespectful to his wife! He was brazen about it. She gave that man 9 children. You don’t have to love her, but you don’t disrespect her that way!
In the histories I have read, Catherine was both more formidable and loyal than this UA-cam account suggests. Both women were remarkable. It's important to note that Catherine came from the leading dynasty (including a Pope) in that fount of the Renaissance, Florence, where intellect, art, and good living flourished. She brought hundreds of servants with her to Henry's relatively primitive kingdom. The Medicis were not just "merchants" per this episode, but Catherine was probably maligned (by French and British historians of the time) for having been Italian. She elevated the quality of life for France's royalty and, especially, introduced fine cuisine that had not existed there (laying the foundations for royal extravagance of the Louis and the famous French Haute Cuisine). Catherine was devoted to her children as well as to Henry, the love of her life even though he was not in love with her (her devotion to Henry and her children has not been disputed). She ordered that the Hotel des Tournelles, where Henry jousted, demolished. It's true that she evicted her rival Diane from the Chateau de Chenonceau and took back the royal jewels, but both assets belonged to the crown. In compensation, she gave Diane the Chateau de Chaumont that Catherine had been remodeling and that provided good income from the barge trade on the Loire. Diane was allowed to keep her great fortune and her Chateau d'Anet where her daughter buried her after she died from a fall while riding (supposedly with young men) at age 64.
@@JaRule6exactly, maybe this channel should work on their research skills instead of just watching “the Serpent Queen” and other Hollywood idiocies and thinking that everything in there is historically accurate. They use something called “artistic liberties” which distorts accurate history for the sake of making a better tv show/movie that people will want to watch.
This is why you don't crap on people either on your way up or when you are at the top, because eventually you will be seeing those same people on your way down. The mistress should count herself lucky that she wasn't executed.
You have this all wrong. Catherine could have had Diana arrested and executed for many reasons. Diane had literally conived and manipulated the King and openly rubbed it in Catherine's face for years. Diane also tried to overshadow Catherine when it came to her children. Catherine was far from brutal when she sent Diane into a luxurious castle with servants and her money intact. Catherine had every right to take the family jewels away from the Kings favorite whore. Diane should have never had them to begin with. Imagine how strong Catherine was to have lived through the most hurtful humiliation on a daily basis. Imagine yourself in her shoes. She was not brutal to Diane after King Henerys passing.
Totally agree with you! Catherine went through years of public humiliation. She should have had Diane's wealth totally stripped and anyone that tried to assist her the same would happen. Then arrested and left in a dinghy cell for the rest of her days . There was absolutely nothing brutal about Diane's treatment, except the possibility she had to live the rest of her days in fear of Catherines potential reprisal.
I agree with you on some points. But Diane and Henry were deeply in love long before Catherine was shipped to France to form a political alliance. Diane could have walked away from the loving relationship she's already been in for many years, but she was in love, he was in love. Catherine was forced on them both.
Considering the nastiness Catherine De Medici was capable of ( Saint Bartholomew's Massacre) , I would say Diane De Poitiers got off with just a slap on the wrist.
Diane got away surprisingly lightly! The crown jewels should never have been given to her so it was right for them to be returned to the crown. She lost the chateau Henry had given her but was granted another in exchange. She had amassed a private fortune so wasn't left destitute. Being barred from the funeral: such an important state event would have been marred by the presence of the drama queen Diane. Even had she behaved decorously, public attention would have been focused on her.
Diane was a bit too twisty for her own good. Being intelligent means moving under the radar. Diane was a little too pleased with herself. A mistress must always dance on the edge of a sword. Giving advice to a lover to keep an acceptable public persona is as important as being a successful mistress. Mistresses who fall from grace do so from their own egos.
If I was Catherine, I would give up on Henry as a man but not as a king. Men like him are an absolute waste of space but since he was the ruler of France there is no choice but to back him up.
Can't say I blame Catherine. Diane tortured Catherine for years in every way Diane could think of from Catherine's children to publicly flaunting the queen.
Honestly Catherine didn't lash out. She simply just did what was expected of her. Sent the mistress off with money ect. Didn't force her into anything. Didn't take her head off. I think she was very self restrained. But she chose not to do it. Don't slander the good woman. She could have thrown her into any number of bad situations. Also bare in mind that is Henry and Diana hadn't shamed her in front of everyone. Maybe they could have said good -bye. Kings were expected to have mistresses, but what Henry did. Was purely stupid, he shamed his legal wife in front of everyone.
Meh, Dianne didn’t have a tragic life or end. Don’t waste your time feeling sympathy for her. She and Henri made Catherine’s life hell. And Catherine didn’t meddle in government unless she had to. Unfortunately her and Henri’s weren’t the brightest or the healthiest. My sympathies are with Catherine. She didn’t ask for the lousy treatment by her husband. She did nothing to deserve it. Dianne was a horrible human being.
A woman would have told this story differently, recognising Catherine's responsibilities as a mother, Queen, wife. The old sexist trope of the bitter wife and the wronged marvellous mistress is past its due date and should be retired.
@@JaRule6 To omit the salient facts of the Queen's life and the political realities of the time is to create a fiction, just like the fictional recreation of the two women in the video. Contrast the dramatic portrayal of the two women, which one is portrayed as the more sympathetic? That is bias, not historical fact.
Come on, give it a break. Catherine's revenge was not brutal and Diane did not pay a dark price. She was sent away into luxurious exile and died because of a riding accident. All very appropriate, I would suggest. This video analysis is as hammed up as it gets.
It's a fun show as long as people go in knowing it's plays very loose with the history. Still, i loved the first season! The 2nd season was too far fetched for me. The whole preacher woman plot was ridiculous and illogical
Meh, Henri was a creep, and so was Diane. Catherine was pretty valid for whatever she had to do in that situation towards Henri or Diane in my book. Also, don’t forget Diane was a creepy 19 years older than both Henri and Catherine.
Diane de Pointiers didn't realize that she'd created a monster when she stood against Catherine de Medici. Catherine might have been young & naive at first, but she became ruthless.
Cold hearted and bitter, really!!! The indignities that Catherine had to suffer at the hands of her husband and mistress were beyond evil !!! Catherines revenge was not at all brutal . Catherine should have gone after every asset that Diane owned leaving her a pauper without any income in her old age! Public humiliation! That would have been totally appropriate but still not enough!
No way! She was full of spite, h8tred and was really dark, and not in a good way. She was responsible, among other things of the massacre ofthe Huguenots and directly responsible for her daughter having her lover killed.
I'm also ! She was continually humiliated , abandoned and neglected!!! Never received the respect and love that is due to any wife Royal or not. Henry and Diane were Dirt !!!
I don't think Catherine was brutal at all. In fact quite the opposite. Diane seems to have lived the high life, away from the court, aferr the king's death, with little or no interference from Catherine.
This is grooming she met him at 7 and sleeps with him at 15 when in her 30s. I find it odd that she wasn't seen as to old for him. I know that it was common the other way around, which is also gross.
She did not groom him. At 15 the prince was high on testosterone and cd choose any woman to be his mistress. Nobody wd dare to say no to the future king. At this time when children were married off at 12 to 14 years old nobody wd care if the prince got sexually active at 15. Diane wd simply do what young Henri demanded of her. The people's children, yes. But this was Rotalty.
@@zyxw2000Exactly! Fortunately most men did not consummate the marriage until the girl was around 15 . Before that the risk of child birth was too great. It is ridiculous we judge the past according to today's standards!
@@enjoying1515The irony is 'The Age Of Consent has remained remarkably unaltered. Until 15/16 YO., A girl was only his ward, learning how to run a huge estate & basic education. When she reached the Age of Consent, SHE Could Decide Whether She Wished to stay in the marriage or go. If no, the dowry (less cost of education) was returned & away she went, no harm done. If yes, she granted sexual favors!)
Brutal revenge??? You want brutal revenge by a royal? Look at the revenge visited upon Oliver Cromwell. It didn't matter that he'd been dead 2yrs the new King wasn't gonna let that save him.
Oh please, by the standards of the day, she should have lost everything she owned & been imprisoned or banished for alienating the kings affections from his family. She was allowed to live freely, in splendor, the rest of her life.
I'm thinking that these "lover idiots" got off pretty easy....considering the years of mockery from her own husband & his "mistress" which also seemed to even reach out from her own church through a "blessing"....which also means she had to deal with slights from the entire court. If Catherine really wanted to vent her anger on the hoe, she'd have used her Italian shadow skills where "she'd be accidentally" filled & hung out in the public.
Almost agree with the shadow skills . It would not be enough! Diane should have had all of her wealth stripped. Forced to live as a pauper with public humiliation. Then imprisoned the rest of her days in a dinghy, dark cell !
This was different. Normally the affairs were temporary and not openly flaunted in public over a span of 20 years. The wives were not publicly humiliated.
I learned a lot here. I knew the names of the central characters, but not a lot of the details presented here. Catherine was certainly a force to be reckoned with. Hell hath no fury, ya know.
Well this is odd, the text says this is about Anna of Russia? Well narrated though does seem rather one sided. Catherine meddling in France's affairs after Henry is so injured? Well, she was the Queen..
No woman ever stole a husband. The husband is simply weak when temptation came a-knocking. Same for a man stealing a woman. The betrayer is the one that made sacred promises - no one else.
Narrator seems very biased. Portrays Catherine as cruel and jealous, when all she did was to get what's hers back and forbid mistress to be with her husband. She only did the bare minimum to protect herself from more humiliation and shame as any human being. To me, she was too good for her own sake. Diane was the manipulator. The way things were carried out that time... Me in her place would have ruined her beauty, put her in a lot of shame in public way before they get older and later have her head cut to public display (as it was the custom in that time). Catherine was almost a saint!!! She endured a lot!
Why use actual artwork to only censor it? I mean I get it but at the same time, thats terribly sad that we live in a age where this is something we have to do to keep in the line. I highly doubt children are watching this lol..
G'day HE, I mean covering up the nipples of an etching? A work of art? Don't try the excuse that UA-cam made you do it; far more explicit images appear on UA-cam all the time. What kind of a prude are you? Oh, by the way, I'm an Historian and your 'history' is 'up the spout' and mostly inaccurate. That's why there's a black thumb... you've earned it, big time. Cheers, Bill H.
I think we need to be cautious about viewing history through the lens of modern culture. Historically women only had the power that men gave them. They had to play very astute games of sex and politics simply to secure a place for themselves. Noblewomen married for position, not love. While the public may have viewed them as rivals, seems to me the reality was more akin to 'sister-wives' -- Diane was already a fixture in Henry's life when 15 year old Catherine arrived, and they both lived under the same roof together for 30+ years. They certainly understood each other and had enough begrudging respect for each other to work together when necessary. Catherine's position as Queen was only secure as long as she could produce an heir to the throne. Diane helped her with that, as well as with navigating court politics. In return, Catherine let Diane retire to the country with her wealth and status intact. Given the Medici reputation, I would say that's downright friendly.
Catherine didn’t do as much damage as she could have. She could have taken the small fortune from Diane that was from King Henri. Then throw her out on the streets, making her homeless. After homelessness for a while, then tortured her and finally executed her. Diane did her own self in due to her ego & vanity. Henri as well. If you just sit back, people will do themselves in.
It’s called child molesting, these days, it’s disgusting all the same, good grief he could’ve been her own child he was so young, disgusting what some women will do for money bc she surely wasn’t with him for his “Man Size” 😂
Monetizing is affected by things like nudity, profanity, and the like. 😊 I’m sure he just wants to earn a living while sharing historical knowledge.
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It's the new Puritans. First they came for books, now it's art. Nakedness equates ti wickedness in evangelicals minds. I read an account of Elizabeth 1sts court in her latter years. The Spanish Ambassador describes many time seeing Elizabeth dressed but bare breasted, his description of the queens "décolletage" are fantastic. She did this because the Virgin is enhanced by being bare breasted, and apparently the sight was an everyday occurrence at Court.
Excellent video, thank you. One small criticism though. Lose the blinking insulation tape censorship. It is patronising, distracting and disrespectful to the artists who painted them Sorry
What they fail to mention here - the fertility issues wasn't Catherine's but Henry's. Due to inbreeding, he had a penile issue that made it difficult for - -ahem- 'aim'.
Not seen the video but the title was just wrong. She didn't "stole" him from Caterina because she was at this moment his lover already. And at the end the revenge wasn't very hard. Clickbaitingbat hits best.
The heart wants what the heart wants. Flaunting is never a good idea. And it’s just cruel. Being the king mistress would put a target on your back for most of the chroniclers of the day.
Acting on hate leads to dark intentions. Then moving on these intentions, plans are made. Only Virtue could have healed and altered the chain of events lain down. Think about what you love, instead AND nurture love with love. Selah
WOW Henry had the best of both worlds. Acting like he didn't want to be with Catherine but having 10 kids with her. At the same time having his mistress.
Hardly. Anne was decades younger than Henry Tudor & being coached by her family to strategize for a formal position & power from a mighty king. Diane seduced a child prince with his father's permission - or she would have been destroyed. They were both women, though, lol.
I was just about to like even subscribe until the heavy handed destruction of the classic works of art. If you are too afraid to even show the classics then make videos for kids . Censorship just for money makes me sick and very angry . Creative Cowards.
Catherine was not brutal he was very disrespectful to his wife! He was brazen about it. She gave that man 9 children. You don’t have to love her, but you don’t disrespect her that way!
You call Catherine's revenge brutal? She wasn't arrested or tortured or executed. She was sent into luxurious exile.
And she was likely giggling like a maniac, knowing she'd gotten what she wanted.
@@stormangelus6638yup
Would you stand-in in her stead?
I don't think so. Exile can
never ever be luxurious,
really
Yeah, that’s what I thought. Where’s the revenge?
In the histories I have read, Catherine was both more formidable and loyal than this UA-cam account suggests. Both women were remarkable. It's important to note that Catherine came from the leading dynasty (including a Pope) in that fount of the Renaissance, Florence, where intellect, art, and good living flourished. She brought hundreds of servants with her to Henry's relatively primitive kingdom. The Medicis were not just "merchants" per this episode, but Catherine was probably maligned (by French and British historians of the time) for having been Italian. She elevated the quality of life for France's royalty and, especially, introduced fine cuisine that had not existed there (laying the foundations for royal extravagance of the Louis and the famous French Haute Cuisine). Catherine was devoted to her children as well as to Henry, the love of her life even though he was not in love with her (her devotion to Henry and her children has not been disputed). She ordered that the Hotel des Tournelles, where Henry jousted, demolished. It's true that she evicted her rival Diane from the Chateau de Chenonceau and took back the royal jewels, but both assets belonged to the crown. In compensation, she gave Diane the Chateau de Chaumont that Catherine had been remodeling and that provided good income from the barge trade on the Loire. Diane was allowed to keep her great fortune and her Chateau d'Anet where her daughter buried her after she died from a fall while riding (supposedly with young men) at age 64.
👏👏👏👏 finally somebody who actually reads history and doesn't watch fictional biopics on TV 🙏🏻🥰🤘
Also both women were pregnant quite a lot; perhaps it was a relief to be able to pass Henry back and forth between them 😊
I can imagine that pursuing the old king's mistress, even fruitlessly, might have been a popular sport for young men.
@JaRule6 I second that!
@@JaRule6exactly, maybe this channel should work on their research skills instead of just watching “the Serpent Queen” and other Hollywood idiocies and thinking that everything in there is historically accurate.
They use something called “artistic liberties” which distorts accurate history for the sake of making a better tv show/movie that people will want to watch.
This is why you don't crap on people either on your way up or when you are at the top, because eventually you will be seeing those same people on your way down. The mistress should count herself lucky that she wasn't executed.
Or quietly poisoned, or banished.
The wheel of fortune goes round and round. 🌹
You have this all wrong. Catherine could have had Diana arrested and executed for many reasons. Diane had literally conived and manipulated the King and openly rubbed it in Catherine's face for years. Diane also tried to overshadow Catherine when it came to her children.
Catherine was far from brutal when she sent Diane into a luxurious castle with servants and her money intact. Catherine had every right to take the family jewels away from the Kings favorite whore. Diane should have never had them to begin with.
Imagine how strong Catherine was to have lived through the most hurtful humiliation on a daily basis. Imagine yourself in her shoes.
She was not brutal to Diane after King Henerys passing.
Totally agree with you! Catherine went through years of public humiliation. She should have had Diane's wealth totally stripped and anyone that tried to assist her the same would happen. Then arrested and left in a dinghy cell for the rest of her days . There was absolutely nothing brutal about Diane's treatment, except the possibility she had to live the rest of her days in fear of Catherines potential reprisal.
I agree with you on some points. But Diane and Henry were deeply in love long before Catherine was shipped to France to form a political alliance. Diane could have walked away from the loving relationship she's already been in for many years, but she was in love, he was in love. Catherine was forced on them both.
Considering the nastiness Catherine De Medici was capable of ( Saint Bartholomew's Massacre) , I would say Diane De Poitiers got off with just a slap on the wrist.
Diane got away surprisingly lightly! The crown jewels should never have been given to her so it was right for them to be returned to the crown.
She lost the chateau Henry had given her but was granted another in exchange. She had amassed a private fortune so wasn't left destitute.
Being barred from the funeral: such an important state event would have been marred by the presence of the drama queen Diane. Even had she behaved decorously, public attention would have been focused on her.
Henry had portraits of the Goddress Diane in every nook & crannie of the Louvre to torment his queen. Catherine showed REMARKABLE RESTRAINT!
Diane was a bit too twisty for her own good. Being intelligent means moving under the radar. Diane was a little too pleased with herself. A mistress must always dance on the edge of a sword. Giving advice to a lover to keep an acceptable public persona is as important as being a successful mistress. Mistresses who fall from grace do so from their own egos.
If I was Catherine, I would give up on Henry as a man but not as a king. Men like him are an absolute waste of space but since he was the ruler of France there is no choice but to back him up.
Can't say I blame Catherine. Diane tortured Catherine for years in every way Diane could think of from Catherine's children to publicly flaunting the queen.
There's a reason Carherine became a ruthless paragon. She got her claws into Diane & shredded, which Diane had learned the hard way.
Flouting vs flaunting. Sigh...
Honestly Catherine didn't lash out. She simply just did what was expected of her. Sent the mistress off with money ect. Didn't force her into anything. Didn't take her head off. I think she was very self restrained. But she chose not to do it. Don't slander the good woman. She could have thrown her into any number of bad situations. Also bare in mind that is Henry and Diana hadn't shamed her in front of everyone. Maybe they could have said good -bye. Kings were expected to have mistresses, but what Henry did. Was purely stupid, he shamed his legal wife in front of everyone.
They weren’t lovers….she groomed him.
Bingo! Diane was a disgusting little creep.
She did.
Meh, Dianne didn’t have a tragic life or end. Don’t waste your time feeling sympathy for her. She and Henri made Catherine’s life hell. And Catherine didn’t meddle in government unless she had to. Unfortunately her and Henri’s weren’t the brightest or the healthiest. My sympathies are with Catherine. She didn’t ask for the lousy treatment by her husband. She did nothing to deserve it. Dianne was a horrible human being.
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A woman would have told this story differently, recognising Catherine's responsibilities as a mother, Queen, wife. The old sexist trope of the bitter wife and the wronged marvellous mistress is past its due date and should be retired.
Well if it's a fictional story then you could do that but unfortunately fiction doesn't support your opinion 🤷
@@JaRule6 To omit the salient facts of the Queen's life and the political realities of the time is to create a fiction, just like the fictional recreation of the two women in the video. Contrast the dramatic portrayal of the two women, which one is portrayed as the more sympathetic? That is bias, not historical fact.
You're projecting your own bias.
She was a DiMedici. France was lucky Catherine handled the situation herself.
@@hensonlaura I am questioning history's biases.
Come on, give it a break. Catherine's revenge was not brutal and Diane did not pay a dark price. She was sent away into luxurious exile and died because of a riding accident. All very appropriate, I would suggest. This video analysis is as hammed up as it gets.
That's NOT brutal.
Feeding an innocent child to an old pervert is sick, however.
The great Samantha Morton as Catherine deMedici.
Great movie.
Can I just say that I absolutely loved The Serpent Queen?! Must watch!!
It's a fun show as long as people go in knowing it's plays very loose with the history. Still, i loved the first season! The 2nd season was too far fetched for me. The whole preacher woman plot was ridiculous and illogical
"Catherine de Medici meddled in French affairs." No, she was ruling in her sons place.
Meh, Henri was a creep, and so was Diane. Catherine was pretty valid for whatever she had to do in that situation towards Henri or Diane in my book. Also, don’t forget Diane was a creepy 19 years older than both Henri and Catherine.
Considering all of Diane's moves, she really lucked out keeping her head
Diane de Pointiers didn't realize that she'd created a monster when she stood against Catherine de Medici. Catherine might have been young & naive at first, but she became ruthless.
Yup re: RUTHLESS hence her numerous non flattering Knick names
Seems to me the Queen let her off lightly
Why are the artworks redacted? They're artworks!
I’m just enjoying being educated by these historical videos. Thank you 😊
Diane's fall feom grace wasnt tragic, she got away easy
Cold hearted and bitter, really!!! The indignities that Catherine had to suffer at the hands of her husband and mistress were beyond evil !!! Catherines revenge was not at all brutal . Catherine should have gone after every asset that Diane owned leaving her a pauper without any income in her old age! Public humiliation! That would have been totally appropriate but still not enough!
Catherine was no sweetheart. Diane was a beast to her yes, but this was not a nice person. She spilled a lot of blood, even if it wasn't Diane's.
Typical a man calling what Catherine did was brutal.
I haven’t finished listening but as mentioned already, pathetic that the artwork is censored. Ridiculous
One of the reasons I can’t finish watching. But just one. 😂
I’m firmly in camp Queen Catherine …
No way! She was full of spite, h8tred
and was really dark, and not in a good
way. She was responsible, among other
things of the massacre ofthe Huguenots
and directly responsible for her daughter
having her lover killed.
I'm also ! She was continually humiliated , abandoned and neglected!!! Never received the respect and love that is due to any wife Royal or not. Henry and Diane were Dirt !!!
I don't think Catherine was brutal at all. In fact quite the opposite. Diane seems to have lived the high life, away from the court, aferr the king's death, with little or no interference from Catherine.
This is grooming she met him at 7 and sleeps with him at 15 when in her 30s. I find it odd that she wasn't seen as to old for him. I know that it was common the other way around, which is also gross.
For much of history, youngsters were considered marriageable at puberty. Not just in Europe, but Asia too.
She did not groom him.
At 15 the prince was high on testosterone and cd choose any woman to be his mistress. Nobody wd dare to say no to the future king.
At this time when children were married off
at 12 to 14 years old nobody wd care if the prince got sexually active at 15.
Diane wd simply do what
young Henri demanded of her.
The people's children, yes. But this was Rotalty.
His father sent her to him 😂
@@zyxw2000Exactly! Fortunately most men did not consummate the marriage until the girl was around 15 . Before that the risk of child birth was too great. It is ridiculous we judge the past according to today's standards!
@@enjoying1515The irony is 'The Age Of Consent has remained remarkably unaltered. Until 15/16 YO., A girl was only his ward, learning how to run a huge estate & basic education. When she reached the Age of Consent, SHE Could Decide Whether She Wished to stay in the marriage or go. If no, the dowry (less cost of education) was returned & away she went, no harm done. If yes, she granted sexual favors!)
Diane didn’t steal Henri from Catherine. She already had him. Unfortunately, she didn’t plan for the future.
diane 9r00med henri... 🤮🤮🤮
Brutal revenge??? You want brutal revenge by a royal? Look at the revenge visited upon Oliver Cromwell.
It didn't matter that he'd been dead 2yrs the new King wasn't gonna let that save him.
What a travesty…….renaissance art being censored in a bloody UA-cam video……….with what they DO allow to be screened and said, this is appalling. 😢😢
I agree so childish and stupid- meanwhile porn is all over the place 🙄
For a lover of history, this channel is awesome. Narrated beautifully and concisely. Thank you!
Although beautiful and brilliant, Diane was downright creepy.
Why was she creepy? Plz explain?
downright creepy? 😂 the person who left this comment must be around age 25, most likely younger😂
diane was a pdf
To be fair, Catherine de Medici was heavily involved in necromancy, conjuration, spells and poison, so... glass houses. 😂
Creepy? Hardly. She was timid and considerate towards queen Catherine.
Oops! Diane had a big problem. It was called karma.
diane was a pdf...
Oh please, by the standards of the day, she should have lost everything she owned & been imprisoned or banished for alienating the kings affections from his family. She was allowed to live freely, in splendor, the rest of her life.
I'm thinking that these "lover idiots" got off pretty easy....considering the years of mockery from her own husband & his "mistress" which also seemed to even reach out from her own church through a "blessing"....which also means she had to deal with slights from the entire court. If Catherine really wanted to vent her anger on the hoe, she'd have used her Italian shadow skills where "she'd be accidentally" filled & hung out in the public.
Almost agree with the shadow skills . It would not be enough! Diane should have had all of her wealth stripped. Forced to live as a pauper with public humiliation. Then imprisoned the rest of her days in a dinghy, dark cell !
Poisoned by drinking gold...that shows a person with more dollars than sense.
Few ever came through so well after crossing a de Medici.
As though kings never had mistresses, often an army of them.
What's with censoring the artwork? Pathetic.
This was different. Normally the affairs were temporary and not openly flaunted in public over a span of 20 years. The wives were not publicly humiliated.
I learned a lot here. I knew the names of the central characters, but not a lot of the details presented here. Catherine was certainly a force to be reckoned with. Hell hath no fury, ya know.
Please go read a nonfiction story about her before you believe anything you saw in this video
@@JaRule6 got any suggestions? Guess I could just search the name
Well she should have married him, stuff the consequences. Poor Catharine, was practically tortured, no wonder she had no mercy
Title is pretty much click bait.
Well this is odd, the text says this is about Anna of Russia? Well narrated though does seem rather one sided. Catherine meddling in France's affairs after Henry is so injured? Well, she was the Queen..
It's pronounced Mèdici, stress on the first syllable
No woman ever stole a husband. The husband is simply weak when temptation came a-knocking. Same for a man stealing a woman.
The betrayer is the one that made sacred promises - no one else.
Steal? Maybe not, but blameless, no. Karma comes to ALL who knowingly step outside of, or into the middle of, a marriage.
encouraging someone to break their sacred promises, imo, is every bit as bad as breaking the promises one has made.
It's not that people should be less angry at the woman, it's that they should be equally as angry at the man.
@@saphirebandit93 not equally the ‘other’ person has not usually made sacred promises to the one who is cheating.
Misleading title..it was not brutal
Catherine did things i didn’t like but the side chick gets no sympathy from me
Why make Catherine the villain when she was the one cheated upon by her husband?! Really?!
Narrator seems very biased. Portrays Catherine as cruel and jealous, when all she did was to get what's hers back and forbid mistress to be with her husband. She only did the bare minimum to protect herself from more humiliation and shame as any human being. To me, she was too good for her own sake. Diane was the manipulator. The way things were carried out that time... Me in her place would have ruined her beauty, put her in a lot of shame in public way before they get older and later have her head cut to public display (as it was the custom in that time). Catherine was almost a saint!!! She endured a lot!
Henri did not succeed his father immediately but succeeded after the short reign of his elder brother, François II.
Why use actual artwork to only censor it? I mean I get it but at the same time, thats terribly sad that we live in a age where this is something we have to do to keep in the line. I highly doubt children are watching this lol..
"The Crowm Jewels" hung heavily in those last days, swinging to the left then to the right, till they swung no more.😢
G'day HE, I mean covering up the nipples of an etching? A work of art? Don't try the excuse that UA-cam made you do it; far more explicit images appear on UA-cam all the time.
What kind of a prude are you? Oh, by the way, I'm an Historian and your 'history' is 'up the spout' and mostly inaccurate. That's why there's a black thumb... you've earned it, big time.
Cheers, Bill H.
My 13 th G. Grandfather,Nicolas Hebert, was the personal physician of the queen Catherine Medichi.
I think we need to be cautious about viewing history through the lens of modern culture. Historically women only had the power that men gave them. They had to play very astute games of sex and politics simply to secure a place for themselves. Noblewomen married for position, not love. While the public may have viewed them as rivals, seems to me the reality was more akin to 'sister-wives' -- Diane was already a fixture in Henry's life when 15 year old Catherine arrived, and they both lived under the same roof together for 30+ years. They certainly understood each other and had enough begrudging respect for each other to work together when necessary. Catherine's position as Queen was only secure as long as she could produce an heir to the throne. Diane helped her with that, as well as with navigating court politics. In return, Catherine let Diane retire to the country with her wealth and status intact. Given the Medici reputation, I would say that's downright friendly.
Catherine didn’t do as much damage as she could have. She could have taken the small fortune from Diane that was from King Henri. Then throw her out on the streets, making her homeless. After homelessness for a while, then tortured her and finally executed her. Diane did her own self in due to her ego & vanity. Henri as well. If you just sit back, people will do themselves in.
It’s called child molesting, these days, it’s disgusting all the same, good grief he could’ve been her own child he was so young, disgusting what some women will do for money bc she surely wasn’t with him for his “Man Size” 😂
But old men that hook up with much much younger women are okay! Double standards! Revolting.
Oh those evil women! Molesting boys at the rate of less than 1/100 of men molesting girls! We must put a stop to this pervasive social problem! 🙄
It’s no different from what Diane went through with her husband.
What did depictions of nipples ever do to you, super-careful guy?
Monetizing is affected by things like nudity, profanity, and the like. 😊 I’m sure he just wants to earn a living while sharing historical knowledge.
It's the new Puritans. First they came for books, now it's art. Nakedness equates ti wickedness in evangelicals minds. I read an account of Elizabeth 1sts court in her latter years. The Spanish Ambassador describes many time seeing Elizabeth dressed but bare breasted, his description of the queens "décolletage" are fantastic. She did this because the Virgin is enhanced by being bare breasted, and apparently the sight was an everyday occurrence at Court.
I don’t understand why you place black stripes on art. That’s really disrespectful of the art.
What is the movie called that you show lil clips of, the older vintage one? I want to watch it. Not the Serpent Queen series.
Diane - a 1956 movie about Diane
It’s called “Diane”
Excellent video, thank you.
One small criticism though. Lose the blinking insulation tape censorship.
It is patronising, distracting and disrespectful to the artists who painted them
Sorry
the video description underneath is wrong.
Actually, her response sounds absolutely reasonable.
What is the name of the movie being shown here?
What a shame the art has to be censored 😒
Loving the retelling .
But 2:18 shook me - what kind of outfit does this young man have on 😳
He’s wearing a padded doublet. Very common at that time. You will see similar on Tudor portraits in the UK.
Your voice is so lovely to listen to
What they fail to mention here - the fertility issues wasn't Catherine's but Henry's. Due to inbreeding, he had a penile issue that made it difficult for - -ahem- 'aim'.
No mercy for cheaters
After seeing this vid I'm tempted 2 sub 2 Starz just 2 watch "The Serpent Queen"
Is the serpent queen about the story?
@@melissavidic2895 yes this part of the story is mentioned bc she talks about it as she revisits the past
Why are you censoring works of art?🤨
Its something UA-cam is doing now.
UA-cam is rather prudish now. Mustn't show intimate body parts! 🙀
It's youtube, obviously.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Henry laid the pipe!
OMG I haven't heard that used since I was young.
Team Catherine
Not seen the video but the title was just wrong. She didn't "stole" him from Caterina because she was at this moment his lover already. And at the end the revenge wasn't very hard.
Clickbaitingbat hits best.
The movie clips they’re showing throughout this video, who plays Diane, she looks very familiar?
The heart wants what the heart wants.
Flaunting is never a good idea. And it’s just cruel.
Being the king mistress would put a target on your back for most of the chroniclers of the day.
Does anyone know the name of the older looking movie in the video (not the Serpent Queen)?
1:16 read it for yourself
It’s called “Diane”, starring Lana Turner as Diane de Poitiers.
@gloriamontgomery6900 my goodness, her hair was glaringly artificial!
@@hensonlaura Yup!
Please stop watching fictional shows about real people. She was involved with Henry long before he married Catherine. 🤷
What's the name of the film the images are from?
Hubris comes before fall
This is very poor "history", unsubscribed.
Diane's name is pronounced the French way (as she was French) - "Dee-Ann" with the "ee" part very short and the emphasis on the "Ann".
Is the serpent queen based on this?
Yes.
Loved that series. Pity season 3 is a no show.
The serpent Queen is mostly fiction. If you really want to learn about Catherine de Medici then you should get a book
@@JaRule6 Sadly I think that is asking too much. It is the same as the people who watched Netflix´s The Crown and thought it was a documentary.
You must pronounce MÈH-DEE-CHEE. It just sounds painful to hear the accent falling on the wrong syllable. Mend it please!!!
Oof. You're doing history videos and you think 35 year old nobles have "one foot in the grave"?
Acting on hate leads to dark intentions. Then moving on these intentions, plans are made. Only Virtue could have healed and altered the chain of events lain down. Think about what you love, instead AND nurture love with love. Selah
Well she lived longer than average age. There nothing terrible about it.
WOW Henry had the best of both worlds. Acting like he didn't want to be with Catherine but having 10 kids with her. At the same time having his mistress.
hello , nice , very nice , thank you for sharing🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰......................
He was infatuated not real love
I don’t know about that. It lasted more than 40 years.
It's not De Medeechee.
It's DeMehdc
Keeping the future king at arms length when he had a huge crush on her refusing to go to his bed … shades of Anne Boleyn
Hardly. Anne was decades younger than Henry Tudor & being coached by her family to strategize for a formal position & power from a mighty king. Diane seduced a child prince with his father's permission - or she would have been destroyed. They were both women, though, lol.
`MEdici, not Me`dIci
I was just about to like even subscribe until the heavy handed destruction of the classic works of art. If you are too afraid to even show the classics then make videos for kids . Censorship just for money makes me sick and very angry . Creative Cowards.
Looks like Caitlyn Jenner 😂