I messed up. You're using too much detergent.
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00:00 Intro
00:29 A Quick Overview
01:26 Why I'm making this video and an apology
02:02 Testimonials
02:38 No pre-wash spot doesn't mean no pre-wash happens
03:09 A note about Express/Quick/Eco/Whatever settings
04:28 MY TERRIBLE MISTAKE (I'm sorry!)
06:27 Detergents and Hard Water
08:02 You can use way less detergent than the box says
09:29 When to use more
10:46 Tests! Experiments!
14:31 "No Pre-Wash!" on the box doesn't mean what you think it means
15:51 What about independent lab tests?
16:57 My varied dishwasher life experience
18:06 Co-marketing agreements of doom
20:16 Chemicals in detergent pacs vs powder
23:39 Cost comparison
26:02 A quick note on packaging waste
26:24 The Downside to Gels
29:08 But Gels aren't all bad
31:18 Do powder detergents have abrasives in them?
32:14 Rinse Aids (use them!)
33:38 Dishwasher cleaning and maintenance (do it!)
34:58 Dishwasher salt
36:16 Mostly snarky rants from here on out
46:34 Bloopers - Наука та технологія
*cracks knuckles* Chemistry expert and former detergent chemist here, chiming in. Modulo some small semantic differences, you're 100% spot on. Functionally, there is zero difference in the formulations. Every powder dish detergent on the market comprises the same functional components, though the exact chemicals selected may vary. It's always some combination of detergent, anti-deposition agent, water conditioners, strong base, oxidizers, enzymes, buffers, "processing aids", and what I call "foo foo juice" - colors and fragrances.
The Purpose section is annoyingly vague so I'm going to break down each of the categories and give their examples. These aren't strict categories, in fact many of these chemicals perform double or even triple duty.
*Detergent/Surfactant* - Allows water to bind grease molecules by virtue of having two halves, hydrophilic (water loving) and hydrophobic (water hating or grease-binding). These can be basic/anionic (negative charge): sodium lauryl sulfate (SLS); neutral: isotridecanol ethoxylated, PEG C10. Acidic/cationic (positive) are uncommon in dish detergents but you may see them in rinse aids. Bonus fact: rinse aids are typically mild acids ( pH about 3) which helps dissolve calcium deposits and soap scum. Because of this, they have to use neutral or cationic surfactants.
*Anti-deposition agent* - Once you dissolve the grease, you don't want it to deposit back onto the dishes. Cascade calls this "boosts shine" but it's basically film prevention. The line between detergent and anti-deposition agent is blurry, and many chemicals can fulfill both roles. Acrylic copolymers are the best example here, but the PEGs (polyethylene glycol) also help in this regard, as do any neutral detergents. They tend to be weak detergents on their own, but their big advantage is they don't create soap scum (calcium fatty acids, more on that later).
*Water conditioners and chelators* - Hard water means calcium, iron, and other large positive ions in solution. Calcium reacts with anionic surfactants (aka soaps) to form insoluble scum. This both reduces cleaning power and makes extra goop that needs to be cleaned! Water conditioners exchange sodium for calcium, binding it so it doesn't form scum. This category includes polycarboxylates, citric acid, sodium phosphate (discontinued), EDTA, and our friend sodium acrylate/maleic/carboxylate copolymers again (yes it doubles as both anti-deposition and water conditioner. Synergy!).
*Strong base* - Anionic detergents work best at a high pH (alkaline/basic). Alkali also saponifies grease, giving it a hydrophilic group and turning it into soap! Lye (sodium hydroxide), bleach (sodium hypochlorite), sodium percarbonate aka sodium carbonate peroxide aka "OxyClean", sodium silicate, and sodium phosphate are all strong bases. See all that sodium? They also help condition water as well!
*Oxidizers* - These react with staining molecules such as tomato sauce, berries, tea, and coffee, as well as natural polymers like proteins (cheese) to break them apart. Sodium hypochlorite and percarbonate are oxidisers. "Transition metal catalyst" has a similar role, except instead of being consumed, it facilitates the bleaching action.
*Enzymes* - Starch and protein when heated and hydrated form a natural glue of sorts. Anyone dealing with stuck-on cheese or rice knows what I'm talking about. Enzymes are natural molecules that break these polymers down so they unstick from surfaces. Amylase specifically digests amylose (starch) and Subtilisin (protease) breaks down protein. Pro-tip: any time in biology you see _whatever_-ase, that breaks down _whatever_.
*Buffers* - prevent the base from being _too_ basic and etching glassware. I think this is what zinc carbonate is doing, but I'm not 100% sure.
*Processing Aid* - Any time you see "processing aid" or "enables liquid processing" - that just means it's an inert bulk transport, because either the active ingredient is too viscous, or cakes easily, or whatever. Glycerin and Dipropylene glycol act as liquid solvents in those colorful liquid sections of the gel packs, since too much water would dissolve the pack. Sodium sulfate is just an inert powder.
Top comment material!! Thanks!
This should be pinned.
I enjoyed this nearly as.much as the video. Thank you for sharing.... And as long as we are here, do you have a blog/channel/magic crystal ball bunker you transmit from?5
Foo foo juice is an excellent category description.
And what do we learn from this kids?
Always use dishwasher tabs to dissolve bodies you want to dispose of!
He may suggest we click on different chapters to skip parts, but we all know we’re watching this 48 minute video from start to finish lmao
I wasn't planning on sitting through the whole thing, but as always I did and I don't regret a minute.
Amen
Change playback speed to 1.25 or 1.5 and turn on Closed Captioning. (48 min / 1.25x speed = 38.4 min)
@@dall3n88 my frozen burritos have been cooked for a half hour now. Briquettes, anyone?
It was a fascinating topic, too. Also, nice profile picture.
"There's also sodium hydroxide in here, not gonna lye" made me kinda sad, because it made me realize just how many of your jokes are probably going right over my head
I'm too impressed by his thorough approach to lye about it: I missed that one.
Watching with captions feels like cheating ngl
ah damn it... I knew that was a punchline, but I've got no clue about chemical names!
Thought that joke was funny. 😁
Yeah, jokes about Lye are a bit Basic.
"There's even sodium hydroxide in here, not gonna lye." Magnificent. Utterly magnificent. Hats off, sir. I also have enormous respect for your commitment to delivering the synopsis at the beginning at speed, rather than using digital trickery to make it seem like you did. Truly an artisan.
Almost missed it
OMG, I knew there was a pun in that line and somehow I couldn't figure it out, despite staring me right in the face. 🤦♀️ Thank you! 😅
i realized there was a joke but i still dont get it
@@Joadix100 "Lye" is the common name and "sodium hydroxide" is the chemical name. "Lye" is pronounced the same way as "lie." Thus, I giggle.
The line about the design flaw where a plate blocks the dispenser from opening SAVED ME I thought something was broken but I realized I had a big cutting board right up against the dispenser when it closed. I was getting said clumpy powder mess. THANK YOU SO MUCH
"By the magic of buying way too much fu*king dishwasher detergent" is my favorite TC moment by FAR.
Wasn't midwest settled by Germans and Scandinavians? That would check out.
@just do it
Not my cup of tea but appreciate you sharing such things.
I was so ready for the "buying n of them" joke that the sudden bleep just slayed me
Yep, got an actual out loud laugh from me
He owes the woman opposite me on the train home an apology for my choking and the Dr Pepper running out of my nose.
"I'm a midwesterner, I'm no stranger to principled suffering" is an amazing line :D
That line slayed me! 🤣
God, as someone born, raised and living in Minnesota, that’s so true. I think it might be our unofficial state motto!!
A rabbit with a UA-cam channel!
Guy's car is registered in Faillinois. That's not principled suffering. That's masochism.
I think that is true by definition. 🙃
Wow. I have spent half my life working on dishwashers, 1000's of dishwashers of all brands over two decades. I also use a dishwasher at least 3 times a day because I have a huge family. I am embarrased to say that I have learnt something new, adding a bit of detergent for the prerinse. Makes a lot of sense, lol. Subscribed and liked. Thank you sir.
Takes a lot to admit, good for you!
@@mcohen8025 The more someone knows, the humbler. The less someone knows, infinite ego and opinion of their knowledge balloons.
Were your dishes already coming out clean, though? If so, I don't see any reason to waste product doing this.
Phew, I felt that. Great comment!
Your dry delivery (and perfectly timed bleep) of the phrase “way too much fu**ing dishwasher detergent” is the funniest thing I’ve heard all day.
Laundry detergents: YES....make an entire series about every household consumable like this, I've wanted this sorta thing for years.
Yes, and washing machines! There's so much stuff you can add to your laundry, detergent, oxiclean, borax, fabric softener, bleach... Please do a laundry series!
@@TylerShawful 'Series' being the key work there, I reckon we'll need at least 3 videos!
This is all I want for Christmas
@@TylerShawful Great laundry list of ideas. I would also add the controversy of "DIY" laundry detergent. Among penny pinchers, myself included, it's believed that various mixes of additives like Borax, Washing Soda, laundry bar soap shavings, soap nuts, oxiclean, etc can produce an effective detergent for a fraction of the price. Others have pointed out that such amateur mixes are inherently inferior because they lack surfactants and other fancy detergent chemicals.
@@TobesAnimation Toner is more expensive up front... but oh my gosh so much cheaper per-page printed, and no waste from throwing out otherwise perfectly good cartridges because you didn't happen to need to print anything for 6 months and the heads got all gross and crusty. Get a good HP laser printer, and some cheap off-brand toner, and you will save tons of money and effort, and get better prints for everything except photos... at which point you print at a photo shop or print house anyways on their fancy $10k printers instead.
Actually, last batch of toner for my color printer was $60, so that may actually be cheaper than ink in the first place, and that should last me a good 3000 pages vs an ink-jet which is good for ~250 pages.
Okay let's just appreciate that we got a better apology from the internet toaster and refrigeration guy for accidentally misleading a handful of people about detergent, resulting in a few incompletely rinsed dishes than we usually get when people actually do real bad things that hurt people.
Because the kind of people who care enough to apologize generally don't do real bad things that hurt people in the first place.
Our normal wash didn't have a prewash, so I was using the wrong program for a month with extra deterrent or so before looking up in the manual that only the heavy duty and eco wash had the prewash.
If people have gotten hurt, apologising is a TERRIBLE idea. It makes is SO much easier to sue you, whether you're in the wrong or not. Keep your mouth shut, and hire a lawyer, (who will tell you to proudly proclaim repeatedly that you did nothing wrong and followed every code and it was the other guy's fault).
@@Asdayasman Or y'know, maybe have some backbone and basic morals and take responsibility for your actions even if it means you get sued? Maybe even viewing getting sued as a convenient aid to the process of reparation and reconciliation and an overall good and just thing? Jesus christ that is one cursed comment.
@@Salsmachev I have to wonder how old you are.
your video auto-played next from something i was listening to while i was grocery shopping with my son. i didn't change away because i wanted to 'not be picky' and let it play.....and also because my phone was zipped into my jacket. i am now home, finished putting away my groceries, rewatched your video, about to explore the rest of your channel, and am now sad i JUST left my local Walmart without getting non-tablet detergent powder. Thank you sir.
This Video (and its predecessor) has brought me so much joy. the Joy of not doing the dishes anymore. I was under the impression that dishes had to be soaked and rinsed to effectively wash in a dishwasher. My whole family holds this perception, this video has disrupted us and set us free from the damning binds of dirty dishes. This video saved my LIFE
I guess this is what being adult is like: watching a man on youtube rant about dish detergent and walking away with valuable life lessons...
Your profile picture makes this comment even better 🤔😂😎👍
welcome to adulthood
Ya, knowledge. It's more powerful that Thanos.
@@milenamiki1349 Thank you :D
@@PolPotsPieHole Been here for over a decade, but thanks :D
Technology Connections: "We need to talk about dishwashers again."
Me: "Damn right we do."
I love how the Cascade says "Number 1 product". Which, I wouldn't be surprised if it had a star next to it, and the star says in small print " Among products named Cascade".
Can I just say that adding soap during the prewash is A GAME CHANGER!!!! I always called BS on anyone saying “you don’t have to rinse your dishes.” After watching these videos I was like yeah right, but fine I’ll give it a go just so I can say you’re wrong. I have never been so happy to be wrong before. Everyone in my family does this now and agrees it’s great. Thank you!!
"Through the power of buying way too fucking many of them" has got to be the most hilarious payoff of a running joke on any channel or video series or whatever that I've ever seen omg
I died 😅
When I saw this video come out, I went to watch the original first. I was mildly disappointed that he didn't pull out that line when he put the dishwasher on the table.
Good it wasn't just me, the speed on the pan out is calculated to the level I believe its derived from a cosmological constant he's yet to release and idk maybe it has something to do with turn ratios in condenser coils
“We’ve got to talk about dishwashers again”
Me - You have my full attention, go on.
Me: "I was waiting for more."
Same
I wanted to add two comments as a former appliance salesperson.
1. most dishwashers have a rinse only option that uses half of the water of a regular cycle and you can run that if you don't have a full load instead of rinsing by hand and then wait until you have a full load until you run the regular cycle.
2. The worst place to store laundry detergent is under the sink because it will lose its effectiveness if it gets humid.
Never thought I'd watch this long of a video about dishwasher chemicals, but you have a great personality and level of thoroughness that I appreciate.
When using powders, the "pre-wash" is the powder you spill while trying to fill the cup.
It's not a bug, it's a feature!
honestly that's probably when they realize that you need pre-wash liquid or gel.
powder is the only thing that works in my dishwasher, otherwise liquid just congeals and doesnt get used up, even super small amounts. weird huh
Michael J. Fox must have the cleanest dishes in the world.
@@Cymes Nasty but funny
"I'm not gonna lye" I would have missed this gem without the closed captioning. Thank you for a good punny laugh.
I feel like when he said "I'm starting to see a light there", he was clearly acknowledging / laughing about the fact that this channel's content is 90% lights.
my first guess was that there was truth serum in there, and that's why he said "not gonna lie", but thats sodium pentothal, not sodium hydroxide. thanks for catching this, haha
Sodium Hydroxide / lye / caustic soda, used to keep the pH of Sodium Hypochlorite / bleach high to prevent from decomposing.
Sodium hydroxide also turns into a detergent when it reacts to oil.
Bleach can be made with chlorine gas and sodium hydroxide.
Hydroxides are great.
@just do it Please just stop. This is like a rude person that comes into a conversation and starts talking about something entirely different. You aren't convincing anyone by being rude.
Lye🤣
I just discovered your channel today, and I'll admit, I find your commentary entertaining enough that I watched most of this video despite not having owned or used a home dishwasher in over a decade.
That is all.
I've had this bookmarked for a couple years now to because these two sections are literally the best dishwashers for idiots clips I've seen thus far:
- "You can use way less detergent than the box says" - Fun fact, my box doesn't even have dosing instructions.
- "Rinse Aids (use them!)"
Great stuff.
“through the magic of buying way too much f*cking dishwasher detergent” almost felt like it was a planned out punchline, that you only made the reoccurring “through the magic of buying two” as a buildup to it… I know that’s probably not how it happened but it just was delivered so perfectly.
I know right XD it caught me off guard and is probably my favourite part of the video now
I wouldn't put it past him to plan it all out years ago. I believe the first instance was toasters
10:53
This ENTIRE UA-cam channel was planned out just to lead up to that joke.
So thanks to the magic of The Algorithm I have now watched a combined 80 minutes on friggin dishwashers and been loving every second of it. You, dear Sir, are a gentleman and a scholar and have earned a new subscriber.
Learned a lot from this video. On the topic of handwashing, there are a few good reasons to hand washing certain items. WOOD items in particular don't do well, the harsh chemicles dry out and destroy the wood. KNIVES (esp with wood handles) tend to dull faster. CAST-IRON seasioning does not hold up well. SILICONE either holds on to grease/oil or a hard water buildup. The things that you use and wash frequently. Lastly... some people like me find hand washing dishes to be a pleasant and relaxing task. Since I'm one of those people that enjoys hand washing, I use the diswasher for all the glass, ceramic, and stainless steel things I can jam in there. I certainly don't want to wash everything every day, but I do like to take care of those items that don't fare well in the automatic washer.
"Through the magic of buying too much fucking detergent..."
I'M HOWLING
Yes.
Same. This was easily the peak of the episode. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
oh man, as a 30-something homeowner, this is exactly the content I need right now. This is why I don't pay for cable, can't get this anywhere else.
dolita windo - Ah, but think about the last thing I touch with it, and the first thing that you touch with it! - Joey Tribbiani
He is more entertaining than most of the garbage we see on tv lol
That's why I'm a UA-cam junkie, there's just so much SPECIALIZED content that suits my tastes, and I can learn a lot, too!
@dolita windo I had to find it back, here it is: ua-cam.com/video/32hFijyWkmw/v-deo.html
Checking in. You = me
We just got a new dishwasher after our 15 year old one died. My daughter had me watch both your UA-cam videos about pod detergents and prewashing. I am now going back to powders and will use the pre rinse and post rinse aids as recommended. Happy to stop using big plastic bottles (or buckets) that can't be recycled. I am 70 and now a subcriber.
Priscilla Leach, Michigander
The only real advantage to detergent packs that I can see is that if you have mobility, dexterity, or grip problems they are much easier to use than a large jug or box. In fact this was the sole reason my grandmother resorted to them (she is a nonagenarian from Mississippi and can make a penny scream louder than just about anyone I have ever met so she always buys the cheapest smallest powder only packs the store stocks)
“Not everybody has the time or patience for that” he says in a 48 minute video about dishwasher detergent 😂
a SECOND video about dishwasher detergent
This might be the most pedantic channel on youtube and I absolutely love it!
@Isaac Eiland-Hall neither do I. I think the world could do with a little more pedantry.
Maybe the hope is they're too busy on UA-cam...I could see that.
Never apologize for being snarky, that's what I keep coming back for.
Here here!! I always feel like he conveys the snarky comments I wish I had the courage to say.
Yes. More snark please!
Likewise. I see it more as a normal outpouring of annoyance and sarcasm than snark anyway :)
Agreed!
agreed!
Re powdered laundry soap: When I grew up in Austria in the 1990's, there was a laundry detergent scheme all the rage called the Baukastensystem (building blocks system). You bought detergent, water softener and fabric softener separately (the first two usually powdered), filled your washing machine with clothes, and put in water softener according to how hard the water was, detergent to match the (subjective) soiling level of the clothes, and fabric softener to match your expectations of fluffiness.
Sadly, with the rise of the all-in-one cleaning tabs, it soon fell out of grace with the advertisers.
You ever seen an industrial dishwasher? My first job, we had a room dedicated to dish. You'd load dishes on a conveyor belt on one end, they'd get washed and come out the end. The water inside was so hot you often needed gloves to handle the dishes as they left. Which is actually fantastic, because not only is heat really good at killing pathogens, but we never had to towel dry anything. Both a time saver and a means of always following best practices. You're allowed to towel dry, but you really should air dry in a kitchen wherever possible.
When I worked & volunteered at a summer camp, we had one of those too! A bit less automatic, as you would put the dishes on trays that separated them, then as you filled the tray, push it over to the hood and close it. Same concept of reaaallly hot water, and thankfully not having to manually dry a hundred bowls/dishes at all. (Also nice pfp 💕, solidarity)
At my last job, one of my responsibilities was making sure the dishwashing rinse water was getting to the correct temp on each cycle, because they don’t use chemical sanitizer in the rinse cycle. 180 degrees F, minimum. Metal dishes dry in no time.
Your previous video on the subject has garnered the adoration of my 76-year-old mother, as she proudly reclaims 20-30 minutes a night by shoving dirty dishes directly into the dishwasher without allowing them anywhere near the sink. She even goes so far as to "challenge" the dishwasher by intentionally creating scenarios that put it at a disadvantage, just to see if she can make it falter. Thus far, the dishwasher always wins, and she's ecstatic.
Thank you.
This is so sweet honestly. Just the kind of comment I needed today
don't skip on your regular maintenance cycles on the machine - many people don't realize this, but with time - grease builds up in the internal pipes of the dishwasher, and if you don't do the maintenance cycles - you'll end up with a broken machine (it happened to my previous dishwasher)
You win a wholesome award.
@@moetocafe Never had that problem though I kinda gave up on dishwashers because steam kept getting into the circuitry and killing the machine before any kind of build up could cause a problem.
@@olstar18 sorry to hear that, but don't give up on dishwashers, just because of a single failure and bad experience with a specific unit.
Dishwashers are wonderful machines, that truly make life easier, esp. when you have limited time for chores with the busy everyday, most people live.
Life would be so much harder for me, without a dishwasher.
If you had an entire Netflix season over dishwashers I would spend all day binge watching it. I have no idea how you are making this so interesting but I absolutely love it.
🤣
Bring on the 3-phase, 5 stage commercial models that take about 300 litres just to prime!
I want a laundry detergent episode.
Just watch it on UA-cam
Why does everything need to be on Netflix
How is this comment older than the video?
Great video! Here in the USA, my German (Miele) dishwasher uses the dishwasher salt. It requires finding out the local water hardness from municipal water quality reports, and programming that into the machine. The internal water softener really makes a difference. When salt is added, Miele requires that an express wash with liquid dishwasher soap, is done with an empty dishwasher, to protect the interior from the corrosive effects of any salt that escaped the salt compartment. They specifically warn that on shorter wash cycles, the little dishwasher pods do not have time and water to fully disintegrate.
You know those google surveys people keep meme-ing about, where they ask if you thought a video was life changing? This one is, 100%.
We've had a dishwasher since I was a kid. We had always used powder anyways as it's cheaper and pods aren't a thing in my country, but my mom would always complain it didn't wash properly unless it was in the pots and pans setting (heats the water up hotter+each step is longer, so it uses more electricity).
After watching both your dishwasher videos I found the manual for ours online and yep, that little unlabelled groove I assumed was to anchor your fingers while you opened the detergent dispenser? Was in fact meant for the pre-wash detergent. I tried loading the dishwasher with very dirty dishes and put it in the normal setting with the pre-wash detergent and... Perfect dishes.
We started using our dishwasher almost daily to great results since, and I'm certainly saving on my electricity bill by not having to run it in the pot setting every time. Thank you thank you thank you!
“And now, rinse aids!”
I was already on the edge of my seat and that just pushed me off the edge. Not gonna lye, I got super excited when he pulled out the rinse aid.
yaaaas the jubilation when the rinse aid came out was very real
Y'all are some weirdo's getting excited about rinse aid lol
Didn't learn much, just that I've been right all along.
Always preferred powder, about half full, with rise aid. Clean my filter and sump monthly. Yasss!
The only UA-cam comments section with soap puns.
I actually just refilled the rinse aid reservoir in mine moments before he started talking about it.
From a Minnesota born, Chicago raised kid, I want to highlight "I'm a Midwesterner. I'm no stranger to principled suffering," as a high point in your writing career. It belongs on a cross-stitch on the narrow stairway to the too-warm upstairs. Or prominently on your CV.
Does the narrow stairway have a kink in it somewhere? If not, I'm not sure this comment is relatable enough.
Principled suffering, porch geese, and the word “ope”
The triumvirate of midwesternism
At least you didn’t grow up in the part of the Midwest that no one in the Midwest wants to claim. Ohio…sure there’s far less crime where I grew up than in Chicago, but that’s mostly because there’s NOTHING worth stealing or fighting over. Lol.
@@steveo7771286 I am Ohio born and raised, and I must say I think Indiana is even worse. Or at least Fort Wayne Indiana is. I worked there for 2 years. And nothing fucking happened, And they had shittier grocery stores.
@@45nickname very good point. Ohio AND Indiana…middle of nowhere, USA
This man's the epitome of knowing a topic so well he makes it sound simple enough for a toddler.
Having sensitive skin made me start using way less laundry detergent and vinegar instead of fabric softener because I could literally still feel it on my clothes after being washed. Which then made me realize how much we overuse soap/detergent in cleaning in general. So i naturally started using less dish soap/powder.
I also use only the bare minimum shampoo cuz I was tired of being itchy all the time.
Alec: "I'm sorry for being so snarky."
Me: Well why do you think I watch the channel? Learning is fun and all, but sarcasm makes it better!
Yes more snarky!!
Snark does have to be moderated. Use as directed.
When I first talked about this on Twitter, it became clear that we're all using the word "snark" in different ways. Mainly I want to be less snarky about the people who watch my videos, and yeah I complain about comments too much. I mean, I still think many of you (the general you, not you specifically) comment with unreasonable things and part of why I get so riled up is that I'm trying to make the world more reasonable, but I can see how when I express my frustration about this it seems like I'm insulting the audience.
@@TechnologyConnections Have you looked up what a Troll IS?!?! LOL or a contrarian. Some people just want to watch the world burn..
@@TechnologyConnections Nah. If they don't pay attention to the clearly established points in the video, you have every right to complain about that.
I’m a 31 year old man watching another grown man explain dishwasher detergent. And there’s drama attached some how. I’m thoroughly enjoying it 🤣
you need to get a hobby
Spot on
I'm a 25 year old woman and very much same.
@@lordjaashin I agree 😞
@@sef11996 well hello there 25 year old cat lady...
Being from a very rural midwestern area---I really feel the principled suffering and commitment to frugality lol (protestant flashbacks) I remember learning how to see through marketing at a very early age and being trained not to look at anything that wasn't on the bottom shelf at the store. After living in apts in a couple different regions where nowadays dishwashers are often added to justify the extortionate rent, I'm so thankful for having a dishwasher and it does still feel like a luxury to me! I'm disabled and so is my partner so standing to hand wash dishes is sometimes just impossible for either of us, but with our dishwasher we can use that energy for other essential tasks in the home and not hurt ourselves more than is already unavoidable lol. I like to clean mine with vinegar and a thorough soak/wash of the filter mostly but I've been wanting to add citric acid to my minimal cleaning arsenal and this was the reminder I needed! Great video as always TC (:
"Bottom shelf"
Me, one of the frugalist guys I know, only just now realizing I've been doing this the slow way (manually checking price per ounce/count/etc.) Only to end up finding the cheapest stuff on the bottom shelf (or furthest back for peanut butter) anyway without ever realizing. 😮
Thanks for help me know where to zone in from the start.
An update from me for any who care! Following the advice in this video I am getting perfect results! My first two tries left some spots but by my third wash I had it dialed in just right! Thank you so much for these dishwasher videos!
Just needed to chime in and rave about the writing here. I actually don't know how someone can take something like dishwasher detergent and make a 48 minute video that is well spoken, clear, entertaining and genuinly funny. I wish that any actual 'comedy' UA-camr out there could make me laugh as much as that snarky John Henry coment.
He is a true genius when comes to making something boring into something interesting. I saw the "Brown" video a year ago and it still amazes me.
Yes! I don't know many younger people (if any) who would catch that John Henry reference. (And yes, the "Brown" video was also similarly amazing - how this guy can take a seemingly mundane subject and make it so interesting that it holds my attention for so long... gotta love the guy.)
@@jamarsac See CGP Grey’s “Tiffany” videos. Similarly a boring-turned-fascinating thing, also a two-parter for which part II is a follow-up that gets META follow-up-y.
@@MemeticsX I’m sorry I don’t get the reference.
Alec getting entirely too upset about people washing their dishes wrong is like the best thing about this channel.
Except for all the other things.
His name's Alec??
@@salmiakki5638 Yup.
@@salmiakki5638 short for Alectricity.
@@crapcopter I remember seeing Alec's laptop or something to that tune, in a video about lightscribe. Check it out
@@salmiakki5638 You want a real smack in the face? His last name is Watson. Alec Watson. Tell me that his name is not perfect for what he does!
As someone who does not own a dishwasher I found this oddly compelling to watch entirely...
Good job! XD
Nothing more respectful than admitting when you’re wrong and clarifying your misunderstandings. Good job 👍
"Did you know you can get *powdered* laundry soap?"
Please, please, go on a tirade about that! PLEASE!
Wait, do Americans not have washing powder?
@@raracool6531 it exists, but its very uncommon. I only found out it existed because i worked at a grocery store.
@@raracool6531 I've never heard of it. You can get in a liquid easily, but the only powder I've seen is Oxy Clean, and that's more of a supplement than a main washing chemical.
@@raracool6531 Liquid laundry detergent is *much* more popular, but has the same drawback as liquid dishwasher detergent: It's mostly water... you're paying for water!
And of course there's the now-ubiquitous Tide Pods, which are just powdered detergent in a plastic pod form with some squidgy bits of color added to make it "better" somehow. But now I'm just writing Alec's script for him.
I use powdered detergent exclusively.
@@angolin9352 Powdered detergent is cheaper per-load but for *some* reason grocery stores always seem to stock it on the bottom-most shelf... hrm...
“Upgrade. Do it. More colors. Pretty.” is going to become my ringtone now
My first tech connections video was the old dishwasher one.
This is actually something I’ve been wondering about forever! I already came to the conclusion that you were paying more to get less on those packs, but was really close to rigging up a camera to see for sure what was going on in there… thanks for saving me a GoPro!
Absolutely great video thanks for sharing! As a Canadian who has moved to a place with very very hard water (3 weeks to plug a shower head) a softening system was installed in our house after moving from a place with very soft water. Now with that said, regardless of water hardness, dishwasher common sense is needed! Load the dishwasher correctly, soiled surfaces facing the water stream, pointy things facing down etc. Scrape off the big bits, and FFS don't wash your dishes before you put them in the dishwasher!!!!! Its a dishwasher not a dish-rinser!!! The "pre-wash" detergent section is very important I have found. The pod sales companies don't want us to use this feature. When I cook a meal for a large family gathering I will toss a "pod" into the bottom of the dishwasher or or add some powder or liquid detergent to the door area. I find this removes grease and oils very well. I must back up though, I run the sink water until it is hot so that my dishwasher has hot water and not just cold/lukewarm water as it has filled from the water line that was cold. After years of using gels, packs, powders etc. I have found that correct loading and ensuring hot water is ideal. I run my current Maytag on the normal cycle with heat and sanitizing option or the "power blast" setting for extremely soiled dishes and pots and pans. The only time I have to re-wash dishes is after the Mrs. loads the dishwasher incorrectly with dishes facing away from the water spray and leave utensils and bowls facing upwards so they fill with dirty water...an ongoing educational battle that has yet to be solved! :) I have also found that when washing dishes with baked on goo such as: lasagna, turkey, duck etc, some baking soda added to the pre-wash detergent adds extra grit to scrub off the hard to clean mess.
I feel you. My wife and I joke about my Tetris skills every time I have to double-check her dish loading to fit the rest. ;)
I grew up with dishwasher load/unload as one of my daily chores, while she grew up without a dishwasher at all.
@@nathanschubert3048 Some people just can't grasp the loading of a dishwasher. I have to constantly reload the dishwasher after the wife made a mess out of it! She marvels at how much I can fit into it :) We have a new system now, I load, she unloads. its better for the dishes that way!
"There's also sodium hydroxide in here, not gonna lye." Sir, that is illegal. I was taking a drink and almost choked.
+
😂😂😂💀
I blew some coffee out my nose.
“I’m a Midwesterner, I’m no stranger to principled suffering!” Holy shit that line fucking got me
I'm not a midwesterner but I've met a few who act just like that and I got a mighty chuckle from him pointing it out!
Yher, I got that reference - being in the land the Puritans were escaping from.
I laughed because it feels like my job description (I drive professionally in the northeast) 😂
@@Bentfrombeyond Thanks for trucking where others just don't wanna!
Was that around the John Henry part? I lol'd.
that "sped up" part was insane...
and I learned a lot about dishwashers too! Thank you!
As suggested by you, I went back to normal powder, add a little prewash dose separately on the inside of the lid. Incredible how much of a difference it makes.
The powdered detergents having abrasives in them dates back to the 1980's and earlier. Some detergents had literally fine sand or pumice in them, but as more and more homes had dishwashers with grinders or garbage disposers, these particles chewed up those elements like crazy. So they switched to plastic microbeads. Beyond the environmental travesty of those microbeads (the same that have been used in exfoliant body and facial cleansers and are mostly phased out), they tended to become stinking threads of plastic goo that would build up like plastic cotton candy through the innards of the dishwasher. I don't think a single powder has had an abrasive in it since probably 1990 by my estimate.
Excellent historical info there.
This needs to be the top comment
They also etch glass permanent...
I liked the old detergent with sand of whatever, sure it took the pattern off the plates but did clean motorcycle engine parts beautifully!
@@jonathantatler - You put your motorcycle parts in the dishwasher? I can't decide if that's lunacy or genius. Maybe both.
"Through the magic of buying way too much F***king Dishwasher Detergent"
This. This is why I'm subscribed to you. You're like a role model to me at this point.
I had to pause the video I was laughing so hard
He's such a freakin treasure, man!
I lost it when this happened
him and Project Farm for me
*** magic ***
I laughed so hard at the dishwasher salt comment (around min 6:30). I moved to one of the hardest water spots in the UK and had to get used to drinking cups of tea with a calcium film on top. I did make my coffee with bottled water, but had to be careful which brands as some were just as hard! My hair and skin was so happy when I moved back to much softer water Boston...
Anyway, GREAT video and it's funny how I remember my parents putting a little detergent on the door and always thought that was odd but they never told me why! So I never made it a habit. Parents, tell you kids why you do ANYTHING even if you have them already doing it, it will cement its importance in their minds.
Wow, thank you. I used to pre-wash my plates until I saw your videos. I put a little detergent at the bottom so the pre-wash cycle had some and that did the trick. Thanks again!
"And I’m a Midwesterner! I’m no stranger to principled suffering."
There's so much good writing in this video, but this is just... *chef's kiss*
"There's also sodium hydroxide in here... not gonna lye" I Love this channel.
" I see what you just did there " Recommended reading: "Cruel Lye, A Caustic Yarn"
Lmao I didn't even get that until now.
Imagine if someone wooosh this
Bruh 😂
I only got it cause I'm deaf and he made sure the captions spelled it right! He actually edits the captions as well!
I actually find your sarcasm to be one of the most fun things about your channel. So thank you and do with that what you will
I know I a bit late to the party but please, please, please don't stop being snarky!!! It's the best part of all your videos. In my opinion. Keep up the EXCELLENT WORK. Thanks again. Long time subscriber.😊
"I'm a Midwesterner! I'm no stranger to principled suffering!" Never heard such a succinct description of us Midwesterners. Amazing.
I just started scrolling through the comments and somehowly managed to read this at the exact time he was saying it. Kinda felt like he was in my head.
A man that can say "i was wrong" loud and proud is a man that has my full respect.
Unlike all recent U.S. Presidents.
Rewatching again.
Excellent video. I've used powder and added for prewash, for the last year. Very happy with the results.
I also add a pinch of a sterilising agent to the main wash powder. Keeps the machine fresh.
Love the 1970's BBCtv t-shirt.
Cheers and Thanks, and the reason some older folks hand wash is because it is pleasurable and gives a romanic feeling of sorts. I have struggled but your first video on dish washing changed me. Cheers!
"They were out of Mega Millions" when mentioning the "power ball" pack, that one got me good.
It went over my head until I saw your comment.
@@Alexander_l322 likewise! I first brushed it off as "must be some American brand thing", rather than a reference to that lottery thing.
@@FiXato I thought the exact same lol, I’m from the UK where we have finish power ball, Quantum and Max I think but not Mega millions so I just assumed he was talking about a Finish brand that we don’t have. I laughed once I got the joke.
Same 😂
"The red ball, is the cherry on top." why am I laughing so hard
Forbidden desserts.
This comment should be on the top.
I love the addition of the bloopers. I;m impressed you did the fast bit like that... I was sure that was just all editing! Such commitment. Thank you!
I think the concept of "messy" is that the box loses powder wherever you store the box like under the sink. I remember that as a kid.
Fun story: When I was a kid, I used to think that the dishwasher filled up completely, or at least halfway, like an aquarium, and it would flood the kitchen if I opened the door.
So did I! It wasn't until I was like 7 or 8 when I saw one of those clear demo dishwashers at our local Sears that I saw how they actually worked. I was so fascinated with the machine that my parents could leave me in front of the damn thing, go do their shopping, and I would still be sitting in front of it!
Well it would probably still make a mess of water on the floor if you opened the door mid wash, just not bathtub volumes of water.
I still think that despite having watched both of the dishwasher vids. I'm not a clever man.
Wait waaaaaaaaaaaat!?!?
I thought that about front loading laundry machines until this very month, after moving into a place with one.
"It's not like the only thing you can do with that time is pace a rut in the floor waiting until you see your precious dishes again." THIS HAS ME CRACKING UP!
I somehow managed to completely miss that line...
so that's why they don't make dishwashers with a window on the front, they don't want you to stare at it.
dishwasher are just shy...
@@Ragnar_Oock I’d cancel Netflix if I had one of those.
It's funny though. Anxiety disorders and difficulties switching from one task to another or say impatience because you need to eat but you didn't put the dishwasher on until it was actually at or past lunchtime (executive function problems or just a busy chaotic life) then you could be waiting & pacing. Been there too many times. Same with the washing machine (laundry).
Plus, if for some reason you actually DO need one dish or fork right away and can't wait for the machine to finish, then wash one by hand. You can even remove them from the middle of the cycle.
I've got to say, ever since we started using some prewash powder in our dish washer not only has it cleaned our dishes better but also has kept the tub one heck of a lot cleaner!! We used to have a lot of build up in the bottom of the tub but now it's cut that amount in half. As far as my dishwasher, it doesn't have a prewash compartment. Even in the manual it only talks about using packs and that's it so we just add some powder to the bottom of the tub.
Since this is the first time I've ever had an actual dishwasher I didn't know or even think about doing a prewash so thank you for the great into!!!
This is the first video I have seen of yours. Came for the information, subscribed for the humor and thoroughness.
"There's also sodium hydroxide in here, not gonna lye." + dead face. I love you.
Didn't even catch that lol.
These kind of jokes are the main reason I watch this channel, screw the tech background and knowhow XD
Ha. It's even spelled "lye" in the transcript.
was bad time for me to take a sip lol
I'm living in a campus apartment and the dish washer has always been really unreliable. I always used powder detergent because of price really. I just tried pouring some powder before starting the machine (my washer doesn't have that second section) and it worked wonders! I can finally use this thing instead of using it as a drying rack.
dont forget to run the hot tap before!
Make sure you clean out the filter at the bottom too! Since it's a college apartment, I bet it's NEVER been cleaned...
@@zviper are you assuming it’s a hot fill dishwasher? Over here in Europe those aren’t really a thing.
@@JasperJanssen You got me! I did, better safe than sorry :)
@@JasperJanssen coincidentally, I had to buy a new dishwasher a few weeks ago, so I kinda needed to dig into the subject to buy a decent one. Turns out that many of the dishwashers sold here (for non Dutchies: Jasper and I are both European) support hot filling. Heck, even my broken 20 year old dishwasher was fine with hot filling, according to old spec sheets. It’s just uncommon here to use warm water to fill the machine.
I also tried to find one with a macerator instead of a filter, but that just doesn’t seem to exist here.
Was going to comment on this video anyway before I found that other thread to reply to. I watched the original video and found both interesting. I totally take your points and see why I for instance, and others would annoy you. First though yes we do have powdered laundry detergent… over here that is by far the most common… I don’t know if we can get anything else that’s a liquid except what I know as fabric softener or cuddly, which as far as I know doesn’t clean? So to dishwashers and videos. I enjoyed both and like many of your videos, ironically especially the ones about lamps and gas lights etc and even lavalamps. You’re one of the first people that this blind person’s found who not only explains why I should care about light and colour, but also that explains it in a way I can mostly understand which is rare in my life. But out of these 2 vids specifically, yes I like pods. No I don’t understand people that are able to wash up after themselves when they live alone and thus save the time and the water though I see where in that case they could make the savings. Especially if dinner only uses one pan for instance. But I’m the same. I’d rather run my dishwasher once a week or even 2 and end up using too many dishes even though I live alone. Why? I hate doing dishes! Recently my dishwasher has been broken and I’ve been using a lot more hot water, and over a couple of months literally litres extra of dish soap. Then the sponges etc… I really want my dishwasher back. I just wish the newest fad in this country wasn’t to seal all appliances in MDF… its allowed to be an appliance. Why does it have to cos-play as a cupboard? Of course that’s the very feature unnecessary as it is that’s broken on mine lol. Other than that if I was to winge it would be at dishdraws. Fine they’re almost silent but they don’t clean, break all the time, and take twice as long as a normal machine. But meantime thanks for explaining why I needed to use 2 pods, one in the dispenser and one in the tub.
After watching your first video, i started using tabs like "Finsih" ones you bought and cut a piece off for the pre wash compartment.
That and loading my dishwasher better made the results more satisfactory.
I'm one of those that thought my dishwasher was just crappy at it's job until I saw the original video. Getting great results now, thank you!
Me too!
Original Video got me to dust off the Manual and test out the "Sensor Clean" mode. Which basically adjusts the rinse/wash cycles depending how dirty the water ends up. Been tempted to try the Platinum Pacs but thankfully this followup video has reminded me the Powder has been and will continue to do a good job.
Me too
Pro tip from a pro 50 year old housewife. Take the cheap powder detergent and place in an airtight tub/container and find a suitable small scoop. Eliminating mess. These videos are genius and I love them! Household mechanics are my life.
Good tip! "Household mechanics," something we should all aim to get good at
I can't remember the brand, but I purchased a tub of dishwashing soap that came packaged this way... in a tub with a scoop. That was back in the day when dishwashing soaps still had phosphates in them.
I use washing powder in my washing machine too, instead of pods / gels. They're so much cheaper and do a good job. They also smell better
About 15 years ago I was given a half gallon sized Tupperware container filled with chexmix.... they didn't want it back so it now lives above my washing machine as a storage bin for my oxyclean powder lol
The plastic tubs that the dishwasher pacs come in can be reused to store detergent powder, oxiclean, or borax just add a scoop. If you are frugal, you can use the sccops from powedered laundry detergent boxes.
Thanks for this follow up. All the more good sense I got from viewing this one. Keep up the good work. And yes, let's have you tackle laundry detergents next.
I live in the u.s and my dishwasher has a built-in water softener. I didn't realize they were not common here, but I haven't had a bunch of different brands of dishwashers. My dishwasher is Thermador brand and I have had the same 11lb bag of Finish dishwasher salt that I bought from Walmart for many years now. It rarely ever has needed to be filled.
How it started for me: "Let's watch a fun video while having lunch!" Halfway through: "Soap companies are bribing dishwasher manufacturers to mislead us! Get the torches and pitchforks!"
Oh my sweey summer child. EVERY company is lying to you.
@@Sam_on_UA-cam Everything and everyone lie to you
@@Dustmix YOU LIE!
@@Sam_on_UA-cam How did you know?!?
Did you know that McDonald's has a John-Deere type deal with the people that make McDonald's specific ice cream machine (it's not the same one you'll find at all the other fast food joints, they make this one "special" for McDonald's), so that only the maker of that ice cream machine can service it, and that the user guide for troubleshooting that machine is basically an "all roads lead to Rome" kind of flowchart, except that instead of "Rome" it's "Call a licensed service technician"?
Basically, that's why the ice cream machine at McDonalds is broken all the dang time. It's broken because that's "working as intended" where the intention is "to drive as much money from the hands of the McDonald's franchise owner to the hands of the ice cream machine manufacturer's companies", and not "to serve ice cream".
Oh and quite tellingly, when another company invented a "scan tool" kind of smartphone-connected gadget to make sense of all the wacky and ever-more-byzantine error codes (to the point that even licensed service technicians are going "what is this even for"), the ice cream machine manufacturer SUED THEM and told the McDonald's franchise owners that "if you use this gadget that basically only reads out the error codes and can't change anything about how the ice cream machine works, you void your warranty on it". Now that's just scummy, and according to how I interpret it would also be in violation of the Mangusson-Moss Warranty Act if it actually covered restaurant equipment (it DOES cover cars (thank god) and consumer goods, which means technically Apple shouldn't be able to void your warranty if you try to fix your broken iPhone, but that's a whole other rant in and of itself).
That kind of scummy corporate money-is-god thing is why I think government needs its fingers in big business.
That kind of thing is what happens when you ask an industry to "self regulate" (look at what happened to Boeing with the 737 Max, and the CST-100 Starliner space capsule).
More to the point, that kind of thing is why I spent roughly 6 months boycotting McDonald's, before I came to my senses and realized that I'm just hurting the franchise owners and that the whole concept of "franchising" was partially intended to isolate McDonald's as a whole from this kind of consumer revolt, since you won't be running McDonald's the company out of business, just the franchise owners.
Even Tesla's not immune to this kind of BS, just look what they'll do to the car if you ever try to sell it to someone else. "Hey you, you didn't buy that car from Tesla, so no Supercharger network access for you!" Said Supercharger network is one of the major selling points of buying a Tesla EV in the first place, so losing access to it is a seriously bad thing for its resale value. It basically means that Teslas are like iPhones and Dell PCs, destined to be scrap from the moment they're constructed. I can't buy an EV when the manufacturer doesn't stand behind the resale-ability of their product.
IMO SpaceX Good, Tesla only good for forcing Big Auto to reconsider that maybe electric cars aren't a dead-end since we now have all this new battery tech.
Capitalism is only better than communism because in the end everyone's going to try to cheat whatever system you set up, but with Capitalism the cheating is built-in to the system from the start.
I didn't start off being ultra-cynical, I've just been disappointed by the actions of corporations several hundred too many times to believe that they ever have the interests of the consumer at heart beyond a certain (relatively small) size
Even Tesla's not immune
UA-cam: "Hey do you wanna watch a guy talk about cleaning dishes for almost an hour?"
Me: *sigh* "yeah ok"
Frfr tho lol
Slickkkkk
And for a second time... yes.
No regrets. 🤣
I was totally engrossed by your Dishwasher videos!! A testament to perhaps my mundane lifestyle but mainly to your superb presentation!! I have been using a gel for all of my life but was never pleased with it's cleaning ability. I was really surprised to learn that my local grocery store ONLY sold pods so figured I'd give it a try. I must admit that the pods clean so much better than the cheap gel I had been using. MY TWIST: So taking what I learned from your video(s), I now slice a pod & crush out some of the detergent to use as a prewash then pop the remainder of the powder/liquid pod into the main detergent dispenser. This works great as I believe you are correct in stating that a pod actually contains more detergent than necessary for just that one wash cycle!
I haven't seen dishwasher salts in the US, but when dealing with 20 years of scale in my dishwasher discovered that you can by an under-sink water softener that serves just the dishwasher and will take hot water. With my super hard water, the cartridges are probably good for about 6 months each (maybe longer). So I have a small water softener for the dishwasher, but not a whole house softener.
10:56 I was expecting "buying two of them" and was scared that TC was so enraged that he purchased another dishwasher
Damn, this spam bot is getting outta hand. I'm reporting every comment they make tho.
Yeah, that was unexpected for you. I expected this because I watch videos with subtitles.
Never thought I'd watch a guy talk about his loads for 48 minutes straight.
I second that.
I can't wait for him to go on that "Powdered Laundry Soap Tirade" he was talking about so we can hear him talk about his balls too....
What, his laundry balls, for destaticing clothes.
Well, his Tshirt DOES say "BBC"
Love your videos bro, it amazes me how can you trap my attention for an hour so , one that is very difficult for me to keep in the same thing always. Great job and thank you.
Thank you so much! I was one of them that hated dishwashers because I really thought it wasted water. I was woefully uninformed. I love my dishwasher now! Thanks for the tips as well!
I'm not gonna miss a video about dishwashers for any reason in the world. Bring it on!
I don't even have a dishwasher and I can't look away lol.
@@AndyBHome now you can. its at 170 and counting.
I got goosebumps when I saw it in my youtube recommended videos.
This video made a difference. Fixing my dishwasher this week.
Everyone hates it when I spill my hot takes on dishwashers 😎
I used to work in a laundry and dish soap manufacturing plant in Utah, and I can tell you unequivocally that the different colors in the detergent packs means absolutely nothing. It is all the same exact product just dyed differently to make them more enticing.
Exactly like you said "more colors equals better sales", when they tested these they found that people felt less compelled to buy them when it was a single pack of just powder or liquid, because why not just buy straight powder or liquid and dose yourself?
But with different colors and compartments in the pack, people assume it's several products at once that are all properly dosed, and that's way easier than having several different products and trying to figure out the ratio yourself. Even though the manufacturers never necessarily claim it's several different products in one pack, people assume it based on coloring.
Thank you for your input kind sir/m'am
*Proctor & Gamble* wants to know your location
Henkel?
@@Nermin_1978 sun products when I worked there, but yes
@@doggfite yeah Huish before that if I remember correctly. I used to drive truck between warehouses and I remember how couple of blocks smelled really nice
Thank you for teaching me about this! I was just thinking about getting to the bottom of it. Now I know what product to use and why I should use it. Great video!
Alright chief, you've convinced me. I'm one of those jerks that has a dishwasher but insists on hand washing my dishes. I even put them in the dishwasher afterwards and use it to sanitize the clean dishes, so I guess I'm a super jerk. I'm going to take your advice and try using the dishwasher as a...dishwasher. I'll pre-heat the water, use the pre-wash cup, the whole bit. I'm still going to rinse off the food chunks because I don't want that crap in my dishwasher, but they'll still be dirty and greasy, promise (my wife is from the south, we use A LOT of butter)! Great channel, keep up the good work!
* I'll never put my non-stick pans in a dishwasher. I'll keep hand washing those babies.