Love Is Blind - Confronting Sarah Ann - Season 6 #89 - Therapist Reacts
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Dr. Kirk Honda reacts to Love Is Blind Season 6. Includes clips from Love Is Blind (Netflix), The Reunion.
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When Dr Honda talks about using Tricked instead of gaslighted and the others examples, that would make a great Short
Yes! Also, maybe if he discusses when it is appropriate to use that terminology. Especially having been in an emotionally & physically abusive relationship, I find myself downplaying what I experienced because I’m afraid to use those terms incorrectly.
He does have a Short where he defined gaslighting and talked about the harm in misusing clinical terms, but he didn't include examples for what to substitute it with.
I know everyone hates Sarah Ann, but I hate seeing people bullied and ganged up on. I noticed that Jeremy didn't defend her at all, and Sarah Ann always puts her foot in her mouth.
It did feel like bullying, are people really THAT chapped or trying to morally elevate themselves by bullying on TV.
@@SuchGoodVibes Absolutely. The Trevor scene in the reunion was pretty awful.. why are they sharing leaked messages about him? He stopped being part of the couples on the show.
@@ltrees-lm5md gosh I know he did wrong but to have your messages read out so s l o w l y and then publicly laughed at left me with such a heavy heart. That’s lifelong trauma for sure. When he had a panic attack and was basically sputtering nonsense : ( dramas fun but no one on that stage was a saint, especially not the lacheys playing judge and jury.
same here 😣
@@SuchGoodVibes 10/10. It made me so mad. It frustrates me his ex would share those messages. People don't need those details. Vanessa once that in their other dating show that she gave Nick an ultimatum and they separated for a few months and dated other people and came back together. It's really hard that there's no compassion when their love story wasn't linear either.
Me constantly refreshing the “news” feed updates on UA-cam so I can jump on and watch Dr Honda’s next LIB reaction 🎉
I used to do that but just turned on notifications so I get to know the second Dr honda drops a vid 😂
Hey Dr.Honda- The “pick me girl” label isn’t just a pejorative. It’s a term used to describe hurtful and divisive female behavior towards other women, that’s motivated by internalized misogyny under a patriarchy.
I mean maybe that's what it's expanded to now but the original definition of a pick me is exactly what Dr Honda said.
Likewise, a "girls' girl" is someone who rejects the idea that men should come first, they build their female friends up and support them. Someone who cares just as deeply for her female friendships as she does for her romantic relationships.
Yes, this is big. I’ve mainly heard it in context of girls who go out of their way to seem better or above other women, or who will try to embarrass other women when men are around. For example, the girl that’s nice when it’s just girls but as soon as boys come around they start bringing up things to embarrass you or saying things like “omg, I could never eat that much” looking at your plate. Also I’ve heard a lot of excusing the bad behavior of men at other women’s expense.
@@InThisEssayIWill...meh, but now I think women deride other women as not being a “girl’s girl” I think the concept of being a “girl’s girl” simply to demand other women’s unearned loyalty, sacrifice, and silence in the face of bullying + exclusionary behavior not because they are quality friends who earned it but simply because of their gender, as if that entitles them to someone else putting themselves behind this entitled person. Ridiculous concept. Sarah Anne shouldn’t have gone after Jeramey the way she did not simply because Laura is a woman but because it disrespects a relationship, and it’d be equally classless if she were into women and went after a guy friend’s bi fiancée or something. Gender alone doesn’t entitle you to another person’s loyalty and sacrifice of self-interest.
@@onedirectionlover317ya, adults expecting special treatment because they all have the same genitals? Crap behavior has nothing to do with sex organs or biology. Some of their “girls girls” group dynamics is mean spirited, middle schooler antics.
I'm dying sitting here through this Jeremy mess while I eagerly await the Trevor reaction.
😂 Dr Honda’s head will explode with that segment
In this whole thing I didn’t see Jeramey show any sort of love/admiration towards Sarah Ann. I’m wondering if they stayed together to “prove” something but actually aren’t that into each other anymore.
Chelsea‘s frequent interjections to make negative comments and judgments on other peoples relationships during the reunion bothered me so much. I’m not sure if this is her way to project her own problems onto others because she has so many issues herself
They must've told her she wouldn't be getting any heat before the reunion. Otherwise she certainly wouldn't have been as brave lol
I know right. No one asked her why she felt the need to say she looked like Megan Fox when she does not. No one asked her why she manipulated Jimmy and played mind games. I think that if Chelsea were to have said that she was wrong for saying that and also said that she apologized for acting that way, I think it would have been different. There is nothing wrong with seeking therapy or even admitting to seeing one. I don't think she is a bad person, I just think that she needs to learn how to love herself first, before ever dating anyone else.
I think the reason why the audience was shocked to hear Sarah Ann and Jeramey were on and off is because on social media prior to the reunion and during the reunion itself they’d presented themselves as a very strong couple which they apparently are not.
I don't think on and off means a couple isn't strong. I think it means they are figuring things out. I think the repair really matters.
Also they got so much hate after the show - I think it would've been a pretty tough year for them and may have trauma bonded a bit.
This is not important, but Sarah Ann is wearing a truly distracting quantity of body glitter here 🤣
I disagree, I think this is important 😂
Lmao
The hair, the glitter…maybe she’s a childhood pageant girl. Or is that just how “patriots” dress when the battle gear comes off?😏
Nice eye! It gave me flashbacks to my high school dances in the gymnasium circa 1999 😂
Listening to Dr K analyse human behaviour is one of the coolest things I've ever experienced in my life. Really makes me wish I had gone after a psychology degree in my younger years. I'm turning 40 in a few weeks, only some college decades ago and now have a 2 year old and 11 month old, so I'm rethinking my career and education to help support my little family. I'm leaning towards disability support worker (basically just a patient, supportive and useful worker for disabled individuals and whatever they might need help doing, including setting goals and such) What I've learnt here and what I'll learn getting my certificate in disability care will make me a competent allied health team member 💪 Dr K is inspiring people and making a really significant change in this world. I'm grateful for all of the wisdom I've found on this channel 🙏
Just wanted to say thank you Dr. Honda for all the work you put into getting these videos up for us!! Your videos are so entertaining and insightful. I get so excited everyday to hear what you have to say!!
I don’t think women should label other women as pick me girls or even girls girls, to categorize fellow women like that is like Freud identifying in the early 1900’s that men categorize women according to the Madonna-Whore complex, that women are either lovable saints or sexual objects to lust over. Women aren’t one or the other, we embrace both sides of the spectrum, we are both and more. This situation has nothing to do with any of them being one or the other, if this is really about some women having internalized patriarchal values, the antidote to that is not to blame them for it as they were conditioned into but show them values of sisterhood, invite them in.
Agreed!!
I do feel 'uncomfy' with the hosts trying to hold the cast to 'complete authenticity' of feelings while knowing the cast will get bullied. Especially because Nick Lachey has said in many interviews that participating in the reality tv show 'Newlyweds' was the primary culprit in his divorce and that it blurred the lines of who they really were in ways he didn't like. So he knows exactly the harm these shows do, and yet chastises the cast for not granting more access here.
Yes! I think my comment is in theme with this, so won't repeat. But if anyone should be an advocate for the casts and actively discouraging harassment it should be the millionaire hosts.
I don’t appreciate how the hosts seemingly pick and choose which cast members they deem worthy of public humiliation and ridicule. Meanwhile, they glide past significantly more troublesome behaviours from other cast members (e.g.Matt of Matt and Colleen from a previous season).
It feels calculated on the part of production to encourage viewer rage that, in turn, increases social media vitriol. I could never imagine signing up for a reality show with this in mind.
Completely disappointed with the audience... It should be a closed set. Takes away from the whole thing.
I think a really important thing to note is that Sarah Ann said she’s conservative. I have a very hard time not being biased against her because of the way she described her conservative beliefs (specifically about ab0rtion). Maybe the other girls are responding so strongly because they do have a bias against her as well? I also think she doesn’t take true accountability for her actions. That being said, the other girls are mean girls, and mainly I’m referring to Jessica and Laura. They act like girls girls but girls girls are nice. That’s the whole point. You welcome any girl, gay, or they. These girls welcome you if you’re pretty like them and that seems like that’s it. That’s why they’re besties with Micah. They’re the type of girls to say some type of micro aggression and act like they’re just being a silly goose, just like the whole bean dip situation. I think they’re pretty similar to Sarah Ann to be honest.
YES
THIS IS SPOT ON. I am on the polar opposite end of the political spectrum from Sarah, but didn’t realize she held those beliefs cuz I skimmed a bunch of episodes lol. By the time everything took place, I had to go back to see what she did to everyone that was so bad. She was irresponsible and disrespectful, but I still can’t figure out why it’s anyone but hers, Laura’s and Jeremy’s business. Jess(who is obviously being shoved down our faces from Kinetic) and Laura are indeed mean. They’ve escaped a lot of criticism because of what happened with Sarah and Jeremy.
💯! I admit my skin bristled upon learning about some of conservative beliefs because they don’t align at all with my own. I never grew fond of her but looking back at the show a few months later, Sarah Ann was pretty harmless and doesn’t deserve all this hate.
I just hope she completely broke it off with Jeramy and is safe. His detached emotions and quiet, simmering hostility give me a knot in my stomach…
I was not a fan of Sarah Anne but this reunion made me feel sorry for her. I think the more people attack her the more defensive she becomes and the cycle goes around and around. And I would hate to see her stay with Jeramey just to prove a point.
She went into the reunion with so much heat and negative energy tho, she even started going off on Laura first unprovoked and only started showing remorse for her actions when Jeremy started to show remorse and act level headed
@@Freee479 Oh I completely agree with you. She isn’t doing herself any favors and I don’t think she’s more innocent than anyone in the situation. I just feel like they went so hard on everyone in the reunion to the point that it was kind of awkward. Then again I tend to find things get weird when Nick and Vanessa enter the mix lol.
I totally agree with you. She did herself NO favours of course and she made some mistakes, but I do think she got the shortest end of the stick and the punishment might not fit the crime. This does not absolve her. I love how Jessica handled Sarah Ann too, she spoke to her with empathy and I appreciated someone being the adult and not lashing out at Sarah Ann who honestly made me think of a poor child in this scenario.
She was an easy target and her defensiveness unfortunately didn’t help. In the end, Laura should be thankful in a weird way because it showed her how shady Jeramy truly is and it set up a great moment for her to tell off Jeramy and win over the audience.
Leading up to Jeramy’s indiscretions, I found Laura to actually be quite cruel and overbearing.
@@Doxygurl contrary to what the viewing public believe it’s not nick & Vanessa’s fault they’re only
Following the production’s directives, take them out and insert new hosts & nothing will change cos the hosts are just the mouthpiece of production it’s not personal
I believe that people are more ready to argue at the reunion because there are things being said in the background and on social media.
Chelsea got off so easy, and throwing punches here was so nasty. She’s very lucky.
I hated all the comments she was making towards Sarah Anne. Apparently she did apologize to her later in-person, which was nice to hear.
From reading us on misusing clinical terms to clarifying Sara's train of thought....this was just....great! *chef's kiss*
The women are hanging up because they do not like her as she isn't a likeable person. If she was someone else they would relate to her differently.
I’ve watched for over a year and always thought it was “hey deserved listeners” 😂
“Disturbing” listener is by far my fav
@@SarasHotandDangerousoh yeah, I definitely hear that as well 😂
Well the show is on Netflix
Which gives entertainment
So we are watching for entrainment
Other girls need to move on, everyone is happy
Why are they still impacted
Laura was not a girls girl to Chelsea when persuading Jess to go for Jimmy, yes i think he would want to see you. Laura didn't even like Jeremy that much.
As a former Pick-Me, it is also about centering men at the expense of other women. Sarah aligned herself with the guys of the show and distanced herself from the ladies when they called out her desperate behavior.
And then Schmeramey agrees with Jess, leaving Sarah with no one on her side. That's the tragedy of the Pick-Me girl.
Meh. It’s not really any better being surrounded by women who will tear you down and kick you. Being alone is better than that. She was never obligated to be friends with the other women just because they were women, and she seemed content to keep to herself. Who you choose to center shouldn’t depend on gender, so it’s not inherently superior to center women at the expense of men if it means sacrificing your own self interest (in this case, her finding love) or accepting badmouthing (in this case, apparently Sarah Anne hearing Laura had badmouthed her to Jeramey). I don’t agree with what she did, but given the context of the show and the fact that IRL two people aren’t generally equal contenders for “fiancée” title, I don’t think it was AS disrespectful as it would’ve been for a more traditional engagement, and so if she stands by what she did then she has no reason to continue to endure a space where other women are criticizing her for a decision she doesn’t regret. Why should she? In which case why should she center the women at the expense of herself?
I interpreted the "we didn't miss with this one!" quote from Sarah Anne as being a "don't take this so seriously guys, it's an entertainment show," a.k.a. "stop sending me so much dang hate when you are also loving consuming this entertainment." In a weird way, she's offering herself up as a sacrificial lamb while also trying to be "in" on the joke/storyline of her "villain" edit.
Sidenote: I think that's why the other women on the show find her unlikeable; she doesn't act in the typical demure, passive, self-chastising way that most women would (esp. under stronger patriarchal umbrellas). She was Deadpool-ing it by breaking the 4th wall and saying "reality television is meant to entertain" instead of falling on her sword in the gladiator ring.
Nick/the producers asking Sarah Anne "is this all for entertainment?" is
(A) Wild; because the show IS meant for entertainment purposes and they are profiting off of these people's storylines. To chastise Sarah Anne for stating the obvious (reality tv = entertainment) is WILD to me.
(B) Trying to twist her words into an admission of guilt, i.e. that she was pretending + insincere this whole time.
Yes! And because they’re literally JUST getting to the point where cast members are being treated well.
This was also my interpretation. I felt like she was just playfully leaning into the “villain” role and asking people to not take this seriously. I don’t particularly like her for her behaviours on the show, but I don’t blame her for that video. Everyone copes with backlash differently and I do think she is likely one of the more honest contestants about the “reality” of reality TV.
Totally agree. Sarah Ann was honest about it! Its like when actors post about the project they finished and telling the fans that they hope they like it! It is the same thing Sarah Ann did. Nick and Vanessa are paid to start drama and make the others look bad. I think Nick should be asked if he was the reason why his relationship with Jessica did not work out, lol! Most people on love is blind are there to be on TV. Love is blind only thrives with drama and is just for entertainment, lol! Nick and Vanessa need to be put in their place and asked uncomfortable questions about their own relationship, lol
The girls telling each other “you’re not a girl’s girl” while being mean girls 😂 I’m not a girls girl if the girls are mean, bully-like, manipulative, rude and/or disrespectful. Just my humble opinion 😅
Edit: typo 🫠
YES! Exactly this! I refuse to be a "girl's girl" in the same way I don't believe in "guy code". No; I am a human's human, and if someone does not treat me or others with respect then I don't believe that I should still want to be in their group.
I’ve started to notice and be incredibly bothered by the way “pick me girl” and “not a girls girl” are actually just being used as away to in-fight and actually perpetuate internalized misogyny among women, which is the opposite reason the terms were originally conceived… I don’t say them anymore because of this. I also find them unnecessarily gendered, when used across different contexts.
@@ligli500UGH THANK YOU! I’ve tried to say this to ppl in my real life and they look at me like I have 3 heads lol
@@tluvsbeauty1100% agree. The contexts in which they’re used now seem to be to demand other women sacrifice their own interests and stay silent / put up with bullying or cattiness and not “air dirty laundry” because it’ll make the first woman look bad. Sorry, if you don’t wanna be called out in front of the world, including men, don’t be bad. What Sarah Anne did should be criticized over respect (or lack thereof) of a relationship, not about loyalty to another woman simply cuz she’s a woman.
wow! 10/10! So true!
The fact that people are being harsher on Sarah Anne than on Trevor and his disgusting vermin behavior is what’s wrong with society.
I keep seeing different psych-study graduates say "gaslight" is not a clinical term.
So what is it?
Is it based on the movie and not clinical, is it drawn from the movie and become clinical? Which is it? A difference in studies?
I'd like to see his response to this one
I quick Google search tells you it's a medical or clinical term. What sourse do the psych students cite to say it isn't. I know some former clinical terms are no longer used or officially recognised because there is a better word or definition. Doesn't mean the term isn't still considered clinical by some.
But, I'd also love to hear what Dr Honda thinks.
@@Sharon-fc6lz I assume people who graduated (both folks who are content creators and civilians that are licensed therapists refute it being a thing) are basing it on the standard studies that lead you to the current DSM, as they are American.
With that said, I've never seen anyone, Honda or otherwise, show any "source", so I can't answer that. As a layperson, it's frustrating to hear differing statements om something that's claimed to be factual and should have one straight answer.
So I would love to get it put straight whether it's one way or another /gen
A word that has destroyed people's vocabularies.
@Chikorita2Chante Fair enough. Although, I thought the dsm listed mental disorders, whereas gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse. I've never read it, so I don't know what's included. I'm going to go searching through Dr H's channel to see if he's touched on this in previous videos.
Chelsea attacking other women around her and embarrassing them in front of the whole world like she wasn’t borderline abusive and delusional the whole show…such a hypocrite. She did zero reflection…zero.
Ya, her and Jess got a lot of icky digs in. Being mean is okay if you’re a “girls girl” I guess.
Totally agree. She looks like she didn’t learn a single thing or change at all.
The word attack clearly has about as much meaning these days as words like gaslight and narcissist.
Who did she attack and how ?
@@Freee479 She talks over people with rude little quips the whole time: every time Jeramey came around he was single, the instagram thing, saying “no one is being mean”. Jess does it a little too. The comments are accusatory or negative. It’s not adult behavior, Jerry Springer shit.
I don’t think Dr. Honda understands what a “pick me” means. 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
hahaha no, he does not!
The whole PR game has lost its skill. They should all have majored in psychology at the very least. I'm seeing responses that only make situations far worse. Psychology experts can predict the collective result much better.
Sarah Ann is acting like she's on Springer. It's so tacky
I'm not convinced Love is Blind is "above" Jerry Springer.
sarah ann might have made mistakes along the way, maybe she isn't that likeable but i do not like how much shitty mean intent is focused on her
mistakes were made but she's young, who didn't have friends that made mistakes when they were young... maybe i'm just old, easier to be sympathetic with antics & drama of youthful friend groups having been long ago
She’s 30- Respectfully that’s not that young. 😅
@simplygina7703 well 30's feels a lifetime ago to me 😉 but I understand you 😊
Dr. Honda, I wish you would keep the subtitles on constantly. It helps a lot of people keep up with the dialogue that you're going through to be able to read it as well as hear it.
Does it help if you turn on “cc” closed captions?
None of these people are “girls girls” or “ pick mes” , and watching them shrilly whine at each other as they bandy about these terms is so grating. Just a bunch of over grown high schoolers
dr honda i think the reason why people come out swinging during the reunion is both because they just SAW everything play out again so some fresh wounds there, and the PUBLIC discourse aspect where tons of people on socials have opinions and take sides as they live react to the show.
10:11 also Dr Honda we saw how Jeremy welcome Sarah in the studio. It was so cold even here 😅
What you said about people *liking* hateful/bullying social media comments or posts gave me some déjà vu...
At school today, some fifth-grade students passed a note around the classroom from student to student that said "your stupid" thinking they were very funny. (Yes, the poor grammar made it even worse in my eyes. lol) It ended up in the hands of a student who did not think it was a joke, and who was very hurt and cried. We had a talk, and I explained that every single person who opened that note, read it, and passed it on was JUST as responsible for their classmate's pain as the one who wrote the note in the first place.
This was a new idea to many of them and I could tell most of them learned something important today and were remorseful. They're in grade five though. Isn't it sad that you still have to explain this to adults?
Jess being a mom shows in this scene lol 😆 love it!!
...seemed to me like Sarah was bullied by the other girls. she showed some moments of humility, but it didn't feel (to me watching) like anyone authentically met her in those moments, so I can understand why she'd become defensive; also, kinda surprised nothing like this happened before-- those two (Sarah & Jeremy) are a success for the show, in the sense that they met in the pods and they're in a romantic relationship a year later. they may have been less defensive if they weren't greeted with what seemed to me like open hostility/disdain. I felt bad for them. Chelsea was totally unhinged and abusive, but Sarah seemed to be positioned as the villain of the girls this ssn. I found this strange.
I find it strange that neither apologized to Laura in the year that had gone by, if they had shown humility Im sure the atmosphere would have been different
Jess kicked Sarah when she was down and now she’s kicking her at the knees and when Sarah goes on the defense and gets loud then Jess positions herself as poised and composed. I see right through this game.
Jess is pretty insecure overall. She doesn't show it as poorly as Sarah Anne or some others but her self-righteousness is definitely a reflection of having low self-esteem.
@@rosiekapun207 yes it was sad when at the early introduction of her on the show she was equating her hopes of no longer being single with her daughter perceiving mommy as being in a better place (I forget her words).
Exactly!!! Deceitful high road taking to portray herself above Sarah
Yes totally agree. I think Jess took the "high road", just to become likeable with the intention of getting more tv screen time and it seemed to have worked. Its like seeing a masterclass in bullying. I do think she really fell for the guy, but her behaviour towards some women..a big no no. And people might not see through her behaviour of they havent had to deal with girl groups like this in their lives. It definitely wasnt Healthy behavior in my opinion
@@argggg7091 regardless of Sarah being generally viewed as “taking” someone’s guy, I think even less of this group of women bullying her (with exception to Laura). That’s my two cents for what it’s worth. Haha.
Dr. Honda is so pure sometimes. He knows therapy. But isn't fluent in women's catty behaviors. Sarah Ann unfolled the women, but not the men on purpose.she did that to piss them off. 😂
No she had no reason to unfollow the guys. Why would she? The women were very much catty and evil towards her.
I disagree. The women were being catty toward her and shut her out.
That's because she went after Jeremy while he was still engaged, So the other women did not trust her around their own men. I would not keep someone like that around, they would not be trusted around my partner.
She didn't have a reason to unfollow them.
@@bitmma5432I think both can be true at once? Both parties can be catty. In my experience tho, women (specifically those in cliques) tend to keep track of who follows who, so they think of how it looks if they unfollow one partner but not the other
Jessica was 100% defending her friend and I find nothing wrong with that. Those two came in like Laura did something to them. They showed 0 remorse towards her until she pointed it out and then the apologies came. Sarah got called a pick me because right when Laura was introduced she asked Jeremy if they should clap and he said no. 1 why does she have to ask or get get permission? 2 that seems very controlling.
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What I gather from these comments is people don't really want reunions because if someone's behavior has lead to vitriol online, emotions and opinions about the behavior becomes piling on.
But I bet a huge chunk of these people are also mad Chelsea didn't get it worse.
This is just immature and not a group ready for marriage
@1:17 I kind of just understand there are two meanings of these terms, a colloquial one and a clinical one. So it doesn’t really bother me except for a general flattening of language which is a shame.
I agree. In my experience most people use the word narcissism correctly, and are not referring to NPD when they use it. Flattening the language is a great description
THANK YOU for speaking out on misuse of the term gaslight. I've been on the receiving end of this accusation in a work context when it was nothing more than people disagreeing with management decisions or a style of communication. There was not even a "trick" in there. I lost sleep running it over in my head and wondering how anything I said could be perceived as gaslighting. Until I realized how wildly misused the term is in popular culture.
During the pods I liked Sarah Ann, and was indifferent to Jeremy. After I was still warm and sympathetic to Sarah Ann during the messaging stuff. But this reunion showing was really off-putting.
I think this season it was pretty clearthe direction all the couples were headed. Maybe it was a choice production made to instead go for a more typical victim/villain storyline for some of the couples instead. No surprises but it was the fascination of watching a train wreck happen right before your eyes.
I mean, Jimmy and Chelsea's fight turned into a 12-part PiS series!
In my opinion, the girls and Nick and his wife were too harsh on her aswell. She has been put on a microscope un fairly. Such a hostile environment, where people are held to such high standards asif she is Dead wrong for trying to make sure jeremy knows the doors arent closed for when it turns out he doesnt want to be with Lisa. A lot of cast members in the earlier seasons did the same. AD also dated " clarck kent" after clay. Okay, could she have handled the whole situation better.. yes. But was it really necessary to come on that strong to her..no!. I know lots of people who just hang out and talk in the car for hours without anything hapening. Was it fair to laura, no. But from her perspective it might have been het only chance to: Speak your mind or forever hold your peace moment (dont know the exact phrase haha but seen it in a lot of movies before a wedding)
And the whole entertainment part: she is speaking facts. For Sarah Ann it was her real life aswell, hence why she took a chance on Jeremy and it payed off.
Im not promoting cheating, but all the heat she is getting, in my opinion, is too harsh.
It drives me crazy when people throw around PTSD. This is a life long commitment I never agreed too :/
I honestly just watch this show for the drama, I skip all the healthy happy couples bc it’s just boring😂
I thought it was very rude of the producers to use Sarah as a scapegoat for defending their brand. I think Sarah was very much struggling with the internet hate and it's very understandable that she would say that in a video.
The way they did sarah Anne was doing too much. Women really hate other women. Nasty behavior.
I think Sara has a false sense of confidence and was determined not to leave this show "empty handed" because of the shame she would have felt for not being chosen given her looks.
13:20 actually it was really obvious he posted a video in his room with a Buffalo pic and stuff on the bed or couch and then she later posted a video from the exact same angle with the same things in it I saw both separately not even knowing it was a thing and went back cause i was like wait a minute
Vanessa and Nick are a joke acting like they are angels, this show should be canceled.
"Wait, why did the Jerry Springer audience freak out?"
The Vice President of the U.S. used the word gaslight instead of lie... it's so embedded in our culture now :(
Nick and Vanessa are the Executive Producers. This all had their approval.
I work in the industry (i’m a Producer) and I can tell you Nick and Vanessa are not “the” Executive Producers. 1. I don’t they were given that title at all but 2. Even if they had the title those would be called a “vanity credit”, which often given to celebrity talent because their names carry weight.
The Executive Producers, there’s at least 5 of them, are the owners and Heads (head of development, maybe head of productions) at both Kinetic and the Nonscripted department at Netflix. Those are the people that make the decisions. Nick and Vanessa are hired help essentially and can be easily replaced.
@@jolieluc Thank you. I see that now. Not sure where I heard it. But, I know the comment was they were so invested in that this is an “experiment, not entertainment”, due to being the executive producers.
@@trisha4797 I just Googled their names and “Executive Producer” and other projects came up but not LIB. I don’t think they were given those titles.
Yeah I think Sarah Ann trying to protect herself from the bullying - like were you entertained, because that's all that matters no need to attack her as a person. It goes back to you. can hate the behavior but to hate the person is another level.
Also to my suprise since no one seemed to have mentioned it. Jeremy's bedroom was recognized based on a poster not the molding.
What I wouldn't give to have a clip of JUST Dr. Honda telling people to stop exaggerating/using clinical terms to describe general negative experiences so I could send the link to anyone who uses those words on the internet when they don't/almost certainly don't apply... 🤬
It's funny to me that Laura didn't want Jeremy; she just wanted to win with Sarah, and then she was very mean to that guy, but had a great talent to manipulate others, create a great drama, and bully Sarah, after finding out that he chose S.
yikes. that’s a leap. laura ain’t no Saint but sarah and jeramy were in the wrong, they should’ve apologized and handled the situation better. don’t rewrite history.
@@heretowatchstuff5335 Honey it's just a show, they really tried to make all these relationship serious, but sorry Sarah was right, it's for your entertainment. Laura was just mad, because she couldn't manage to be rejected by someone that she was planing to reject. 😘
@@JaneCorinne ok sarah ann’s burner account
I personally think all the hate that Sarah-Ann is getting is gross. I can see that it may have been inappropriate to imply that she's interested in Jeramey once he was engaged, but out of the three of them, Jeramey was the worst, then Laura for being cruel, then Sarah last.
I think it's blatant misogyny honestly, that while Jeramey was the one who had the responsibility of not hurting Laura, Sarah got most of the hate. It feels very "she shouldn't have tempted him because men just can't help themselves" bullsh*t.
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idk where you’re getting that, yes people online* might definitely be misogynistic in their commentary, but during the reunion they BOTH got called out. in contrast to her, he actually tried to be more levelheaded than she did, wether he was being real or fake he still tried to display a minimum of humility whereas she just kept yelling over everyone trying to defend her position which is simply embarrassing considering how disrespectful it was. it was not simply « inappropriate » that’s frankly the understatement of the year. and calling laura cruel for rightfully being upset? how is that not misogyny?
@@heretowatchstuff5335meh. He owed Laura something, since he was her fiancé. Sarah Anne wasn’t anything to Laura and didn’t owe Laura anything, so if she stands by shooting her shot, then given that no one seemed receptive to any sort of apology anyways tbh, why even bother? Whether right or not, if someone is coming at a person, they have the right to perceive it as cruel so it’s not misogynistic to be hurt and angry by an attack, whether it’s fair or not. And if she thinks that her actions were worth it, whether because of being with Jeramey or because she spoke her mind in a way she wished she’d done in the pods, then an apology would be insincere, and she isn’t obligated to lie. Again, Jeramey is the one who should really be held to task, so it’s not surprising that he should be held to a higher standard of accountability and apology. I think it’s fair for her to defend herself because what she did would’ve been way less meaningful if Jeramey had ignored it. Then even if it was disrespectful, the impact would be a rejected woman getting her feelings off her chest.
@@onedirectionlover317 what a really callous way of seeing things. we all owe each other respect and dignity. they were both wrong in how they handled the situation. at the lake party, laura already reinforced that he was the one at fault and told her she doesn’t blame her but still mentioned her actions were disrespectful. « why even bother apologizing » because she was in the wrong! they both lied about how they saw each other and him « dropping her home » and collaborated to lie together. it was beyond disrespectful.
@heretowatchstuff5335 I don't see Sarah's msg being as disrespectful as you're making out. It only seems "bad" because they ended up together. If Laura and Jeramey were strong enough, the msg probably wouldn't have even made it to the show. But they had problems starting in DR. My comment about Laura being cruel starts there also. She told her fiance to SA another woman, and took no responsibility for it. Simply saying "it was just a joke" is disgusting behaviour and shows no self awareness. Then she continued to belittle and bully him with things he likes and the shirts he wore. I think she is cruel and that ultimately drove Jeramey further toward Sarah Ann.
been wondering your opinion/reaction to all of these psychological buzz words since the episode aired. Kirk delivered 👏🏼
I felt like Vanessa piling on Sarah-Ann (and later, Nick on Trevor) was an attempt to absolve the production of manipulation. They've been caught in several lies (meaning the edit) and I feel ppl have lost faith in the format. So they've brought in past success stories and initiated an attack at some of this season's villains to shift the focus and blame.
The show is successful in terms of profitability and it's really easy to copy-paste the formula to new cities. But if the audience doubts the formula, then they have to risk change or possibly losing their cash cow. The crew rely on this for steady work, so there's incentive to keep it alive at all levels.
And I think Sara-Anne was right. This was all for entertainment, and, whether intentionally or accidentally, they delivered. I think the show is more annoyed that Sara-Anne called it "entertainment" instead of an "experiment". I don't think it being scripted is the message they're fighting.
Absolutely, here here! 🥇
'Pee in a pool girl' gets me every time!😂
I wonder why they didnt do a similar edit to Zach, Bliss, and Irena. Its extremely similar, obviously Zach didnt cheat (or seem to cheat) but could have worked.
Because Zach ended his relationship with Irena first. Then he pursued Bliss.
1:35 love that you called out how overused and misused gaslighted is.
And the overuse of “narcissistic” you pointed out! Thank you! I swear the same ppl piling on Jimmy as being a narc also called Cole ignorant for calling Zay bipolar. They’re doing the same thing! Narcs and sociopaths are just as overused and convoluted as bipolar was when I was growing up.
Sarah is not as innocent as you think she is. Her true nature always comes out during her little instagram stories and lives. She's manipulative imo, and her performance on the reunion was uncomfortable to watch. Jeremy's beneath the surface rage rubbed off on her because she was a very angry woman, most of the reunion.
I can't believe we're STILL on the subject of Sarah & Jeremy in these reunion reviews. It's video 4, lol
Sometimes people who make bad choices that (knowingly) hurt others need to be called out otherwise we end up with more bad behaviour or entitled Karens
Everyday ppl don't know the "clinical" mean of gaslight or the specificity that goes into it, thats why they use it so freely. It's now apart of the lay-person zeitgeist. Sorry lol. Clinicians might have to get a new word.
I'm sorry, but if you ever experience abuse so severe you are no longer able to gauge reality, you're going to regret saying that.
Some people end up completely unable to trust their reality for the rest of their lives. There is nothing funny about that.
Wasnt Sarah's apology to Laura the exact same day when she was talking to Jeramey and she said literally said she wasnt sorry about any of this and then her and Jeramey callously rode off in jet skis together in front of everyone including Laura? Even though that "apology" was edited out she still said she was and wasnt sorry the same day so this "apology" to Laura that as revealed made things worse in my opinion. I could be wrong but I have a really hard time buying her apology given that it also took public pressure and being put on the spot. Also Jeramey so easily apologized to Jimmy but seemed to be jumping through hoops to say anything but an "im sorry i was wrong" to Laura. They don't seem genuine to me