Yo are those people at the beginning actually handicapped? Souls refers to the overall set of games. Shared lore be damned y'all know Bloodborne is Dark Souls with guns and cosmic spaghetti monsters.
Honestly, I would put Wolnir WAY higher on my personal list just because of the spooky scary jumpscare that the game gives you when you enter the boss arena.
Not that much of a jumpscare,i mean,where is the drop,you can already see two giant arm near that drop even in the dark,so,not that surprising i would say, but it was a fine boss for me
True but if anyone needs to bring up technicalities, it would be like bunching Sekiro in with the Souls series so I can understand why some people face palm about it. It's not that's deep but it's also dumb to bundle together stand alone titles with an established series with completely different narratives and universes.
I think the bed of chaos is a 100% fair fight. I just love falling into holes that are impossible to find and having to run across a giant arena while getting hit by a humongous tree...FALLING INTO RANDOM HOLES
how to avoid wolnir smoke 1. if wolnir raises up to breath it out, stand to the side or go back 2. if going foward, have a reaction time atleast half that of your abusive drunk uncle
Or just stay on the higher end of his bracelets, towards the outside and just mash RB while never getting touched by anything. Like you literally cant get hit. You dont even have to dodge, just go up when he crawls n gg.
@@Dave_ja_vu I personally *like* having a relaxing sit down next to Wolnir's rapidly disintegrating health bar after going through an area that gives me DS1 Catacombs flashbacks.
Agree. Giving bed of chaos a zero in the lore department indicates that this guy really doesn't care about the lore or didn't even research it properly. The lore points in this video are there just for the sake of it.
@@kingofpkf No matter how bad and disappointing a boss may be the lore behind it is still good. People just have to look past the awful boss fight and gameplay to see it. Instead if thinking about how good the boss could have been in terms of gameplay.....
In DeMod's second episode of the ranking all the boss's he says that the lore rating isn't how good the boss's lore is, but how well the boss represents the lore. He also says that while the Witch of Izalith has top notch lore, the Bed of Chaos was a terrible representation of that lore, hence the 0. (Also, I notice this original comment was 4 months ago and you've probably seen that video by now, but just in case I wanted to clarify.)
I actually had fun fighting stupid gank bosses like the two Dragonriders, Skeleton Lords and Prowling Magus & Congregation. It was more fun than poking Vendrick's butt a 100 times while walking around him.
U enjoyed them probably because they easy as hell. Gargoyles, gank squad of 3, throne watcher and defender, twin pets, and ruin sentinels are probably a different story
@@ggc4183 I absolutely love the Belfrey Gargoyles and Ruin Sentinels, and Throne Watcher and Defender aren’t nearly as bad as people claim. Fuck the gank squad of 3 to absolute hell though
"Bloodborne isn't part of the souls series in any way" *Watches VaatiVidyas upload about the linked timeline of soulsborne* "That's where your wrong kiddo"
From what I hear, Aldrich dreaming about the deep sea can be connected to the inevitability of Bloodborne, perhaps suggesting that Bloodborne is Dark Souls in the future?
@@expecting747 no while I don't think it's true the theory is that the painting made with the blood of the dark soul is the world of blood borne and the girl says it would be a cold and gentle world which it was to start with until the healing powers of blood were found I think it isn't true though as the outer gods show there is an entire universe at minimum
Ryan Amberger that's why soulsborne is a better name that actually acknowledges all 5 of them Demon's Souls Dark Souls Dark Souls 2 blood-borne Dark Souls 3 I get the feeling bloodborne is in the same universe as Demon Souls except it takes place like three hundred years in the future and they finally reach the 18 hundreds it's just the city of yharnam has found a corroded blood that's supposed to heal people but instead turns them into beasts.
So it’s really interesting for me seeing how people rank the bosses of the series. I feel like most players choose a straight melee class and have radically different experiences with these bosses than I did in some cases. I’ve always been either a sorcerer or cleric with offensive miracles. So for me, finding the perfect openings to cast my spells and keeping my distance is a huge part of the gameplay. I know I’m in the vast minority on this, but I actually loved the Bellfrey gargoyles! It was so satisfying being able to keep track of all five at once and find the perfect openings to cast my spells. I felt so accomplished when the fight was over lol maybe this is one of the reasons I love DS2. Being a sorcerer is a very different experience in that game!
theDeModcracy Ahaha. I do very much agree with you about the poison though. At one point, he climbed up all the way and used the poison leaving no safe spots. Only reason I like him was really the fact that its a GIANT SKELETON that just pops out at you once you get close enough. Just one of the creepiest/scary looking bosses to me. I agreed with almost all of your list though.
I found Wolnir to be extremely lazy mechanically and one of the easiest bosses in the series. Smack the glowing things, gg. I made the entire Band of the Hawk and brought them all to at least NG+3...I fought him with literally every build at nearly every level, including lvl 1. How is he even slightly hard? I cant understand this. Wolnir doesnt deserve his badass lore. Try fighting Ceaseless Discharge head on in NG+7 with a UGS melee build. THAT is a problem. Near infinite health and the dude can somehow one shot you by swinging in almost the opposite direction. Practically no lore at all, either...its just there. Discharging. Where's this guy?
@@TheRockMouse He climbed near to the top to me too. But I broke the two bracelets on his left arm, and I was near his right arm, so None of his attacks could hit me, but I could hit his hand. That was the first time I beat him.
I found a screen cap of the apology for Bed of chaos from the director so I'll paste it here. Deadlines were closing in and I couldn’t get a good mental image of what I wanted, but we had to settle on something. Those situations were the hardest because I knew something was wrong, but couldn’t express what I wanted and couldn’t give a solution. That was difficult, both for me and for the artists I was working with. I suppose the Bed of Chaos is the principal example of this. - Hidetaka Miyazaki, Dark Souls director/producer
Hey everyone! I've seen a couple of comments asking on how the "lore" section is scored, particularly for the Bed of Chaos. I'm scoring lore based on how well the fight represents the lore, and if it adds something to the fight. So even though I am in 100% agreement that the Witch of Izalith has some great lore, I do not feel that the Bed of Chaos is a good representation of it. I believe it should've been more like some kind of Archdemon since the Chaos Flame is the source of the demons in Lordran. Of course, this is all my opinion. Please keep sounding off with your own, and thank you all once again for your incredible support for these DARKBORNE videos! ;)
+Erik Rolfson +Zac The Secret Weapon Thank you both for the well wishes! I'll keep working hard to put out more. The next video will be up Thursday! :)
to all those people who say bloodborne is not a part of the souls series YES IT IS the souls series is a thematic series where the game shares similar features and themes and is usually made by the same people
+mrheartbane yep hell FINAL FANTASY is a thematic series yet people with a few exceptions (the XIII trilogy, the tactics games, Gilgamesh) but people will be made saying that
I would LOVE to see a return to this including update information from Demon's Souls, Sekiro, and the Dark Souls III DLC as well as the Chalice Dungeon bosses. We could probably get another 30 or so bosses out of the list and I imagine many would be in different spots!
I just call them all the Souls series. "But Bloodborne doesn't share any lore with the Souls games!" Dark Souls and Demon's Souls don't share lore either, they're different worlds. They share some items and references, but they're still separate. Just like how Bloodborne has items from Dark Souls, Demon's Souls and even older From Software games, but obviously it's its own IP and fictional universe. You could call Bloodborne a Souls-like, but that sounds weird to me because "Souls-like" implies to me a derivative work by other studios, whereas Bloodborne is obviously by the originators of the "Souls-like" action-RPG sub-genre. So as far as I'm concerned, Bloodborne and any future From Software games made in the same vein as Dark Souls are Souls games.
@@azusawa3263 They confirmed that they aren't related to each other at all The theory of Aldrich predicting bloodborne, and the painting girl painting bloodborne are interesting, but they're confirmed false
Well, bed of chaos lore is present I mean It's literally Izalith herself, torn apart by chaos It's a shitshow to play against but lore and design are on point Still 10/10 the worst boss
@@incompetentnerd4051 agree, maybe she wouldn't have had the same tragic meaning If the terrain fell in a predictable way, and you could roll to dodge her arm attack it would have been fine
Bloodborne Checklist: Being thrust into an unknown world with vague sense of direction and story. Check. Killing bosses with excessive dodge rolling/dashing. Check. Currency (Blood Echoes) drops after death and disappears if not retrieved. Check. Dying A LOT. Check. Yep, that sounds like "SOULS" game to me. But idiots are idiots......
I actually really like the Moonlight Butterfly fight, just because it is really chilled and the music is nice :D It just appears to be some kind of otherworldly creature that actually just wants to be left alone ^^
I completely agree. DS1 is a dark world and MBfly is a nice change of pace. That scorpion woman who disappears into the sand in DS2 is easily the lamest boss in the entire series. I actually put MBfly in my top 30 bosses.
@@TheGreendaleHumanBeing even if he does his poison breath attack, as long as your on the outer side of his hand (and I don't know why u wouldn't be) it doesn't hurt you
Uhm, Bloodborne is certainly in the same boat as the Souls games, anyone forget that the beta footage for Bloodborne had Father Gascoigne say "Umbasa"? Demon Souls. Miyazaki himself discussed that Bloodborne and the Souls series are incredibly similar, and if anyone has played the games, they'll find out quickly. Hence why people mold them together, because they are practically one and the same.
In my opinion, Bloodborne has the highest overall boss quality. There are only a few mediocre bosses, such as the Witches of Hemwick, and Celestial Emissary. But that's about it.
Eh. Tbh bb actually had more of a reason to keep fighting them. The fights were higher risk imo. Ya got no protection. And side note that I find hilarious: a lot of veteran players actually rage quit at gasgoine, which is shocking
6:53 i have to agree with you and i hated how From ended the fight that i decided to kill the Wyvern without the plunge attack. the best way that i think you could improve this fight is that you get the storm ruler here instead of from Yhorm and you slice it out of the sky and THEN you do the running to get a plunge attack.
+Descendant of Kraff "Bloodborne is a Souls game"...you should take the time to really let that sink in. "BLOODborne is a Souls game". I guess we all translated it wrong. Soulsborne it is. I'll just let everyone know you're the one that proved we were ALL wrong. By the way, you're also wrong. I own the game in physical in digital copy as well as the platinum that comes with it. This platinum, like my other platinums, were earned without the use of the internet (by that, I mean no guides, no hints from people, no forums posts like the rest of these casuals)
+Darkness 26 the fireplace in the hunters dream cabin is the first fire, hence the metaphor midway in the game when the cabin catches on fire before you fight gerhman
Lol you deleted my comment? How childish. Then let's make sure everyone sees it: "BLOODborne is a SOULS game" Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha EDIT: Oh wait, I forgot to point out again how I have the platinum for Bloodborne. Stop deleting my comment just so you can have your childish little opinion. Everyone's allowed an opinion, that doesn't make your opinion right.
+Darkness 26 Literally every part of the souls formula but the setting and game world is carried into Bloodborne. It's a souls game, it's idiotic to disagree.
Matt Murray. This is why it needs to remain the Soul series. Because Fromsoft are gonna make plenty of souls like games and to just keep on making the name longer and adding new titles is unnecessary and straight retarded.
Honestly I liked the Wyvern in Ds3 :/ it was cool and the cinematic was awesome! I think the only reason this boss is being called the worst or second worst bossfight in ds3 is because it feelt as an disappointment. when you see all that cool shit and the Wyvern's cool entrance you felt like it's going to be awesome!!!!! but you've already watched a youtube clip on how to beat it so it just becomes easy. But hey that's just my opinion
I actually kinda like the blue smelter demon , sure it’s a reskin but I think it’s really neat that they mixed up the type of damage and the timing of his attacks.
That’s what I came to say. I hate the run-up and basically just keep going until most of the enemies stop spawning, but it’s actually a fun fight. Yes, it’s a somewhat lazy reskin, but it does make meaningful changes with timing and damage type, and it is a reskin of one of the better DS2 bosses. Now, from a lore perspective, it’s definitely a dud and is tacked on with a horrible run up like all the DS2 DLC optional bosses.
To be fair, the Red Dragon is really only purposed as an obstacle rather than an actual boss fight. I'm sure the team allowed the thing to have a health bar for immersion factor.
Im pretty sure if the ancient wyvern wasnt a boss, people would be saying it was a cool obstacle in the area. Like that fire throwing giant in sen's fortress
"I like playing a game designed to discourage recklessness with total reckless abandon, so when the game doesn't let me do that, it's bad." --Every DeModcracy video ever
I have no idea what's he complaining about regarding Wolnir. You are not supposed to go under him, just wait for him to smash the ground. Not a good design, but I'm not gonna fucking run into the Flamelurker just because I find waiting for him to attack boring, then die, and proceed to call it a bad boss.
Just shows how he uses op strategies to call himself as good, (like rapier with buffs and r1 someone to death in their first hit) but never really playing the game as it was designed to be played. I mean, the main mechanics of this game is to learn when to strike and when and how to dodge/block
I personally really like wolnir. Aesthetically it's An amazing boss. And the poison keeps you on your toes just enough to stop him from being a joke. Otherwise this seems like a pretty fair list.
Personally I actually really enjoy the wyvern for its spectacle and demeanour. It’s pretty climatic climbing up and around the ancient society at the top of the world to slay a big add dragon, although I will admit the fight doesn’t have much going beyond that, I kind of like it anyway, especially since it’s something relatively fresh and unique in terms it’s general concept.
+Grumpy Karthus He definitely could've explained it better in the video but he did make a comment here saying something how he scored the lore based on how the boss lives up to the lore behind it. And Bed of Chaos being so extraordinarily awful it nullifies any cool aspects of the lore completely (like how he gave low points in challenge to both easy and hard bosses because the hard ones here he found cheaply difficult and not an actual, well-designed challenge i.e. his opinion of Loran Darkbeast).
@@EboyPatcha "Bloodborne is a part of the souls series because your friend trusty Patches is in all souls games, and also in Bloodborne" Translation for you. (The edit was me fixing capitalization on names)
Not going to say that the Moonlight Butterfly is a really good boss, but it has one thing I actually really like: a WTF value. From when you first see it all the way to when it dies. The atmosphere, the music, and the giant mutant laser shooting butterfly itself make you feel like your tripping balls from all the random moss you consumed on the way to it.
I loved the Ancient Wyvern, I thought it was truly innovative as they found a way to create a boss as part of a level. So many bosses are engangements in an open arena, but the ancient wyern essentially took a level and added a sense of urgency that dark souls has never really had.
I actually liked loran and wolnir, they were really easy but I just love their aesthetics. The spookiness they each share by being massive skelebeasts/giants, sick jewelry and lightning cloak. You know these guys are playing fashion souls ;)
I feel like there was some bias regarding the Bed of Chaos fight, obviously because it's a shitty ass boss, but giving lore 0/10? Come on man, you need to differentiate shitty gameplay from shitty narrative. I feel like that bias is most notable when you talk about Wolnir, since you literally admit that you think he's a shitty boss because you can't fight him the wrong way. Also Red Dragon isn't a boss m8
The lore is based on how well it represents its lore. The Witch of Izalith is awesome, but the Bed of Chaos is a very poor representation of the Witch, which is why he gave it a 0.
How can the BoC be worse than Ancient Dragon, Micoash , Royal Rat Authority-Vanguard, Rom , Prowling Magus. I am sure people hate on it because it's cool :D. The design of the boss is much better than the above mentioned (excluding Rom) and the lore is great.
@@lesleycatch Pursuer has points where he spawns multiple to simulate difficulty. Velstadt can be summoned by a DLC boss with a horde of undead to chase. Sir Allone is fantastic but an absolute chore to get to imagine if you will if Artorias had no shortcuts to his boss arena.
Luke Warm it’s really cool in lore and aesthetics, but it’s the easiest and most simple boss in Ds3 imo, and it’s also the most boring because he only attacks every ten seconds. Then he has the “weak points” gimmick, except the bracelets are so easy to hit and very very easily broken. Then he has the sword which doesn’t make the fight any harder but does make the third bracelet impossible to hit. And then there’s also the skeletons that have a small chance of plaguing the whole arena and making it a gank fight with enemies that are easy and also easy to just ignore. And there’s the poison, which is easy to avoid but if you get caught in it then it’s basically an insta-kill which is dumb imo. The cheese and infrequent attacks make it boring, and the only real cool thing in the battle imo is the reveal when you pick up the item, and that’s if you actually pick it up instead of cheesing the battle and going to his hand. Idk rly, it’s cool in some ways, but not all :(
Ok, look; You got High Lord Wolnir completely wrong my friend. In what aspect, you ask? Lore. If you actually payed attention, you'll see that he was the Conqueror Of Carthus, who brought peace to a bunch of lords or whatever. Eventually, he was swallowed by the abyss, meaning you didn't send him farther in the fight. You just killed em.
More like his predecessor as King and protector of the profane Capital... Not that those bastard ever deserved anyone as good as Wolnir or Yharm. The should've all burned in h*LL long before Yhorm linked the flame. (sorry...I like Yhorms lore 🤗)
+MemerOfTheBorealValley I don't think Asylum Demon or its clones are at all good bosses even remotely. Stray Demon may be slightly better than the rest since it can be an actual challenge if you fight it early enough and it gives you a Titanite Slab for defeating it. That's about it. By the time you get to Demon Firesage you're probably at a level where it poses little to no threat whatsoever, and even if you didn't know about Stray Demon beforehand, all it is is Asylum Demon with an AoE. It never was a boss that to me had interesting design, attacks or anything of the sort. It's just dumb and lazy. And the triple Asylum Demons are even worse when you look at Demon's Souls and discover ALL of them are copies of Vanguard. Similar in both looks and attacks. You don't get much lazier than that. Copying a boss from your previous game and copying THAT two separate other times. Blue Smelter is actually a _good_ palette swap boss and that's the one that gets ranked bottom 10 here. -__-
Would’ve been cool if the bed of chaos summoned demons or something to fight you and when you get an opening you destroy the thing that you actually destroy, then repeat with harder demons but balanced with small fast low damage demons and big slow high damage demons. Then at the third phase the chaos flame creates a spirit of the witch of Izalith (still saves for each part broken) and when you fight her she’s like a mage mixed with pyromancer and has that moveset or she can be a melee/pyromancer in the last part of the fight. Could make it faster or take out the first two phases or one phase and make the demons come out once then have it three phases then the mage, then the melee.
You know. The butterfly is meant to teach you to use a ranged option. They have an option for every build and Pyro is meant for a ranged for mele since there's no Stat require....idk why people refuse to use anything ranged. It's your own fault if you refuse to use tools that are given to you. You are making it harder on yourself the game tells you what to use and gives it to you
"Why doesn't Loran Darkbeast have an attack to keep you from getting under it" >shows the AOE attack that does exactly that Your other reasons are valid, it being a DPS race and all, but that was a bit of a blunder.
I resent you putting Wolnir on this list, I like Wolnir. His story is tragic, fell into the abyss and still remained so strong that you had to beat him by sending him back to the abyss. I mean he's an asshole, but so many stories in this series begin with fear.
Wolnir was pretty cool for me because I really wasn’t expecting the whole setting to change and the model is really cool. It’s also really cool when he gets dragged into darkness
I was playing DS3 once and when I was fighting the Kunai with Chain MF on the way to the Ancient Wyvern, the AW got so bored that it committed die somewhere off-screen and left me in shock
An old video but I quiet enjoyed watching it before Elden ring comes out. It's interesting to see others opinions about the soulsborne series. I was surprised be the Moonlight butterfly which would be much higher in the list for me personally but I understand what you did not like about it.
I'm surprised by the lack of Ancient Dragon. I thought that was the worst boss in the whole series. All you do is run to the dragon, strike its legs, run away from it and then repeat until it's dead. This lasts for at least 6 minutes if not more. Even Bed of Chaos has more variety in the fight, they even put checkpoints in it and you can kill it in less than a minute with firebombs. Yes, the buggy mess that is Bed of Chaos is much more enjoyable than the drag that is Ancient Dragon. I'm also surprised that Prowling Magus didn't make it here either. That fight shouldn't count as a boss fight!
+High Voltage Well, if you think the ancient dragon fight sucks, then why do you even participate in it? Just not fight the ancient dragon, it's so easy...
Hans Buikhuizen Because it's a boss fight that exists in the game? Sure, it being optional is a positive, but that doesn't make the fight itself better. It's still content that exists in the game, so it isn't free from criticism just because it can be avoided.
High Voltage I guess you're right. But your criticism quickly loses meaning with the ancient dragon fight being so incredibly avoidable. That's like complaining about the peanut butter in the closet, just because it's an option. If you don't like peanut butter, don't eat it. Don't criticize it just because it's possible to take it.
Hans Buikhuizen That's kinda like reviewing Dark Souls and not taking in account Ash Lake, significance of Gwyndolin and the lore surrounding him, ignoring the Painted World and its masterful level design, completely ignoring the online functionality and what it adds to the overall experience, etc. It is content in the game, and thus it can be criticized. And the topic here is boss fights, so it doesn't make any sense to ignore the negatives of a fight simply because it's optional. That's not a factor in the design of the fight. When rating boss fights, whether or not something is optional doesn't exactly mean anything. You still have to count it in regardless. If we're talking overall game design, then something being optional is a factor, and it's still not an excuse for something being horrible. It only begs the question of why it exists in the first place.
High Voltage Okay, so the fight sucks, but it doesn't matter. You see, the ancient dragon fight being terrible is anywhere near as bad as Bed of Chaos was. That's because you can just ignore the the ancient dragon and move on. (I've always actually kinda liked the Bed of Chaos)
Just to note, you can actually kill the Red Dragon without having to do so on the bridge (the bridge is just the 'safer' method, if a much more tedious and boring method at that). If you explore the preceding area you'll come across two dragons resting on an elevated plateau. The one closest to you is the Red Dragon, and it will just sit there and let you shoot it, and it's only response will be to breathe fire at you, which you can evade pretty easily by ducking back into a nearby doorway. If you kill the Red Dragon that way, it won't even appear on that bridge. And the second dragon? I believe it's only reaction to you shooting it, IIRC, is to just up and fly away, it won't even attack you, nor will it replace it's companion by bating the bridge leading to the Tower Knight in fire.
+Elijah Burnett Yeah I agree. It makes sense that we're fighting something other than the Witch, herself. Her whole backstory is that she lost control of her soul trying to recreate the first flame, and chaos (the complete absence of control) resulted. The Bed of Chaos is the manifestation of that soul with a life of its own. I think lore scores off the charts on that battle. But yeah, the actual fighting was a super bummer.
Worst game in the series but still like an 8/10. I feel like dark souls 2 gets too much hate just because dark souls 1 and demon souls were both so good.
Stick Samurai i used to defend DS2 a lot, probably because i really enjoyed it. I also felt like it got a lot of undeserved hate from the community. But looking back at it now, after playing Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 a few times, i realise how bad DS2 actually is. A lot of the difficulty in DS2 was purely artificial. Overcrowding certain areas with boring enemies, instead of putting only a few enemies with better mechanics. Giving bosses with bad move-sets a ton of HP and making their attacks take huge chunks of your HP. Crown of the Old Iron King perfectly illustrates this point. The path to the Blue Smelter Demon is one of the worst pieces of game-design in the entire series. More enemies than you can realistically handle, in an unrealistically unfair environment. The hardest part of that entire boss fight is just getting to the boss without using up all your Estus. The same can really be said about Sir Alonne. If you don't decide to try your luck and just run through everything, you're not going to have enough Estus left by the time you get to the boss. I think what made DS2 seem even worse than it actually was, was the fact that Bloodborne came out so soon after, and the mechanics and over-all game-play of Bloodborne was so much better, and so much more polished. It made it very hard for people to look at DS2 as a quality game.
I personally dislike Wolnir for a different reason. I can easily avoid his toxic smoke, but the thing is, what kept happening is that I destroyed the bracelets on his right arm, but his left arm is to far back for me to want to attack. Then he summons a horde of skeletons, and draws his sword, presumably to stroke as he watches his skeleton army gangbang me to death. And it keeps me from hitting the bracelet on his left arm as well.
+Genesis Angel I'd say they're separate due to licensing issues only. The fact that there is tons of references and such to both Bloodborne and Demons Souls in Dark Souls 1-3 kinda leads me to believe they're in the same time line also. Atlas published Demons and owns the rights, meaning Bamco couldn't use the name or characters in Dark Souls. Bamco owns the Dark souls stuff so Japan Studio and Sony couldn't use direct stuff in Bloodborne. The strands are there to connect them game and Lore wise however, and they're mechanically almost the same game. To deny the strands as just being "easter eggs" or such would then lead us to disbelieve a lot of lore as easter eggs or references too.
+Genesis Angel not from the same world they have the same themes (hard difficulty, mechanics, etc) here's the thing Miyazaki said that he and fromsoftware both agree that dark souls 3 is the end no more demon's (which is in the same world as dark souls) and bloodborne they want to focus on new ip's
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“Why do we play games?
For fun”
Shit, fam, I play Dark Souls to have a bad time
*gasps* I thought I was the only one.
That's why I play Ds2.
Kakyoin the milf hunter bruh
Frl im in irithyll
*distant Megalovania*
Oh my god blood borne isn't part of the souls series... It's part of Jason Bourne series
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You win the Internet
Of course! Why couldn't i see this? It was right along me for so long
Blood borne
Van Helsing souls
Yo are those people at the beginning actually handicapped? Souls refers to the overall set of games. Shared lore be damned y'all know Bloodborne is Dark Souls with guns and cosmic spaghetti monsters.
emphasis on cosmic spaghetti monsters
Plus I like the word Soulborne
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I agree. games like bloodborne, hollowed knigth, code vein, revennant, etc are souls like games and considered hard with lots of lore.
Bloodborne is after the fire resets after ds3 and people dont need souls or fire
Honestly, I would put Wolnir WAY higher on my personal list just because of the spooky scary jumpscare that the game gives you when you enter the boss arena.
if you have a torch the jumpscare is ruined
@@7drag0n ok boomer
its the sam but different Did you just "ok boomer" in august of 2020? Jesus christ...
And I feel like his lore is much better than demod makes it out to be
Not that much of a jumpscare,i mean,where is the drop,you can already see two giant arm near that drop even in the dark,so,not that surprising i would say, but it was a fine boss for me
imagine having such a pathetic life u get butthurt about someone saying Bloodborne is part of the Souls series....
Thats not the point though
GET BENT YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE BLOODBORNE IS NOT A PART OF THE SOULS SIERIES *FOAMS OUT OF THE MOUTH LIKE A RABID DOG*
Bloodborne technically isn't a souls game but I still count it
True but if anyone needs to bring up technicalities, it would be like bunching Sekiro in with the Souls series so I can understand why some people face palm about it. It's not that's deep but it's also dumb to bundle together stand alone titles with an established series with completely different narratives and universes.
@Nyan chan isn't DA more like TES?
I think the bed of chaos is a 100% fair fight. I just love falling into holes that are impossible to find and having to run across a giant arena while getting hit by a humongous tree...FALLING INTO RANDOM HOLES
To be fair the holes aren't random.
Whether BoC uses the nearly unavoidable sweep attack that pushes you into the holes however is.
The part with lady maria of the astral clocktower and the blue player character fucking slayed me. That face man.
Crimson-Sabra1313 same LMAOOOO
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Lol yes
how to avoid wolnir smoke
1. if wolnir raises up to breath it out, stand to the side or go back
2. if going foward, have a reaction time atleast half that of your abusive drunk uncle
My abusive drunk uncle is surprisingly swift.
Or just stay on the higher end of his bracelets, towards the outside and just mash RB while never getting touched by anything. Like you literally cant get hit. You dont even have to dodge, just go up when he crawls n gg.
@Haku infinite if you stopped using mist you'd have a better time. It's cheap
@@Dave_ja_vu I personally *like* having a relaxing sit down next to Wolnir's rapidly disintegrating health bar after going through an area that gives me DS1 Catacombs flashbacks.
I had no idea that going behind him would instakill you, so I actually died to him once 😂
Okay. Bed of Chaos is definitely the worst boss. But the lore is for sure more than zero
Agree. Giving bed of chaos a zero in the lore department indicates that this guy really doesn't care about the lore or didn't even research it properly. The lore points in this video are there just for the sake of it.
@@kingofpkf No matter how bad and disappointing a boss may be the lore behind it is still good. People just have to look past the awful boss fight and gameplay to see it. Instead if thinking about how good the boss could have been in terms of gameplay.....
The lore is not based on how good its lore is. It's based on how well it represents its lore in which I feel the zero is understanable.
Lore is at least a 7 I mean she created pyromancy
In DeMod's second episode of the ranking all the boss's he says that the lore rating isn't how good the boss's lore is, but how well the boss represents the lore. He also says that while the Witch of Izalith has top notch lore, the Bed of Chaos was a terrible representation of that lore, hence the 0.
(Also, I notice this original comment was 4 months ago and you've probably seen that video by now, but just in case I wanted to clarify.)
Is it wrong that i would still watch the "Top 10 reasons why I love the word DARKBORNE"?
And here I'm sitting thinking, maybe I should actually make that list ;)
+theDeModcracy Please do
Do it DeMod
theDeModcracy make the Darkborne list!
divineoblivion1 u don’t need a top 10 list 2 explain y. It just sounds badass.
I actually had fun fighting stupid gank bosses like the two Dragonriders, Skeleton Lords and Prowling Magus & Congregation. It was more fun than poking Vendrick's butt a 100 times while walking around him.
CidGuerreiro1234 you just picked the easiest bank bosses lol
U enjoyed them probably because they easy as hell. Gargoyles, gank squad of 3, throne watcher and defender, twin pets, and ruin sentinels are probably a different story
@@ggc4183 I absolutely love the Belfrey Gargoyles and Ruin Sentinels, and Throne Watcher and Defender aren’t nearly as bad as people claim. Fuck the gank squad of 3 to absolute hell though
Vendrick is probably higher solely based on lore.
"Bloodborne isn't part of the souls series in any way"
*Watches VaatiVidyas upload about the linked timeline of soulsborne*
"That's where your wrong kiddo"
From what I hear, Aldrich dreaming about the deep sea can be connected to the inevitability of Bloodborne, perhaps suggesting that Bloodborne is Dark Souls in the future?
Dark souls character to Bloodborne character:
“You call these here pieces of paper armor?”
“At least I look better then you.”
@@VGamingJunkieVT Maybe Bloodborne is the age of dark/man
@Lucca Phillips-Roberts
And is honestly the best hope for man, at this point. The Untended Graves shows that the age of darkness isn’t exactly pretty.
@@expecting747 no while I don't think it's true the theory is that the painting made with the blood of the dark soul is the world of blood borne and the girl says it would be a cold and gentle world which it was to start with until the healing powers of blood were found I think it isn't true though as the outer gods show there is an entire universe at minimum
I hate the Bed of Chaos, it is the worst boss... but 0 for lore? On that I don't agree.
Would you picture the corrupted witch of izilith as a football sized,tree controlling termite?
+amish rambo yes lol
The lore isn't bad but the fight does not represent the lore well, and THAT is what he was rating
^Exactly. It earned a resounding zero for being an awful representation of a great lore.
CidGuerreiro1234 I wish the Souls lore wasn't so hidden
But Darkborne leaves demon souls out. LOL
Demondarkborne
Ryan Amberger derkborne lol
Ryan Amberger that's why soulsborne is a better name that actually acknowledges all 5 of them Demon's Souls Dark Souls Dark Souls 2 blood-borne Dark Souls 3 I get the feeling bloodborne is in the same universe as Demon Souls except it takes place like three hundred years in the future and they finally reach the 18 hundreds it's just the city of yharnam has found a corroded blood that's supposed to heal people but instead turns them into beasts.
How about "Darkborne Demons"
DemonsBlood Souls
So it’s really interesting for me seeing how people rank the bosses of the series. I feel like most players choose a straight melee class and have radically different experiences with these bosses than I did in some cases. I’ve always been either a sorcerer or cleric with offensive miracles. So for me, finding the perfect openings to cast my spells and keeping my distance is a huge part of the gameplay. I know I’m in the vast minority on this, but I actually loved the Bellfrey gargoyles! It was so satisfying being able to keep track of all five at once and find the perfect openings to cast my spells. I felt so accomplished when the fight was over lol maybe this is one of the reasons I love DS2. Being a sorcerer is a very different experience in that game!
DS2 is good
Thats how I beat those ds1 copycats. A combination of my red iron twinblade and my hexes. And it was much easier than just going in melee.
I thought wolnir was a really interesting fight design and mechanic-wise.
I think my opinion is very much the minority on Wolnir
theDeModcracy Ahaha. I do very much agree with you about the poison though. At one point, he climbed up all the way and used the poison leaving no safe spots. Only reason I like him was really the fact that its a GIANT SKELETON that just pops out at you once you get close enough. Just one of the creepiest/scary looking bosses to me. I agreed with almost all of your list though.
Yeah his visual design is fantastic! The whole thing reminds me of something like a ride at Universal Studios or something lol
I found Wolnir to be extremely lazy mechanically and one of the easiest bosses in the series. Smack the glowing things, gg. I made the entire Band of the Hawk and brought them all to at least NG+3...I fought him with literally every build at nearly every level, including lvl 1. How is he even slightly hard? I cant understand this.
Wolnir doesnt deserve his badass lore.
Try fighting Ceaseless Discharge head on in NG+7 with a UGS melee build. THAT is a problem. Near infinite health and the dude can somehow one shot you by swinging in almost the opposite direction. Practically no lore at all, either...its just there. Discharging.
Where's this guy?
@@TheRockMouse He climbed near to the top to me too. But I broke the two bracelets on his left arm, and I was near his right arm, so None of his attacks could hit me, but I could hit his hand. That was the first time I beat him.
I like the name SoulsBorne.
I found a screen cap of the apology for Bed of chaos from the director so I'll paste it here.
Deadlines were closing in and I couldn’t get a good mental image of what I wanted, but we had to settle on something. Those situations were the hardest because I knew something was wrong, but couldn’t express what I wanted and couldn’t give a solution. That was difficult, both for me and for the artists I was working with. I suppose the Bed of Chaos is the principal example of this.
- Hidetaka Miyazaki, Dark Souls director/producer
Hey everyone! I've seen a couple of comments asking on how the "lore" section is scored, particularly for the Bed of Chaos. I'm scoring lore based on how well the fight represents the lore, and if it adds something to the fight. So even though I am in 100% agreement that the Witch of Izalith has some great lore, I do not feel that the Bed of Chaos is a good representation of it. I believe it should've been more like some kind of Archdemon since the Chaos Flame is the source of the demons in Lordran. Of course, this is all my opinion. Please keep sounding off with your own, and thank you all once again for your incredible support for these DARKBORNE videos! ;)
+theDeModcracy Gratz on 30k :)
+theDeModcracy These videos are great man, keep 'em up!
+Erik Rolfson +Zac The Secret Weapon Thank you both for the well wishes! I'll keep working hard to put out more. The next video will be up Thursday! :)
+Mason Toombs
Darkborne actually excludes demon souls :(
+theDeModcracy I feel like the difficulty part of the boss fight should yield more points than the lore part.
to all those people who say bloodborne is not a part of the souls series YES IT IS the souls series is a thematic series where the game shares similar features and themes and is usually made by the same people
absolutly correct
+mrheartbane .....um your wording is weird
+mrheartbane yep hell FINAL FANTASY is a thematic series yet people with a few exceptions (the XIII trilogy, the tactics games, Gilgamesh) but people will be made saying that
PRAISE THE BLOODY SUN
+darksymphony777 oops I meant mad not made
I would LOVE to see a return to this including update information from Demon's Souls, Sekiro, and the Dark Souls III DLC as well as the Chalice Dungeon bosses. We could probably get another 30 or so bosses out of the list and I imagine many would be in different spots!
And now elden ring
I just call them all the Souls series. "But Bloodborne doesn't share any lore with the Souls games!" Dark Souls and Demon's Souls don't share lore either, they're different worlds. They share some items and references, but they're still separate. Just like how Bloodborne has items from Dark Souls, Demon's Souls and even older From Software games, but obviously it's its own IP and fictional universe. You could call Bloodborne a Souls-like, but that sounds weird to me because "Souls-like" implies to me a derivative work by other studios, whereas Bloodborne is obviously by the originators of the "Souls-like" action-RPG sub-genre. So as far as I'm concerned, Bloodborne and any future From Software games made in the same vein as Dark Souls are Souls games.
Nick Actually, believe it or not their stories could be more intertwined then you think.
@@azusawa3263 They confirmed that they aren't related to each other at all
The theory of Aldrich predicting bloodborne, and the painting girl painting bloodborne are interesting, but they're confirmed false
@@ghostofyharnam7180 proof?
Thank you for another quality video about the Elden Demon’s Darkborne Ring Dies Twice series
Well, bed of chaos lore is present
I mean
It's literally Izalith herself, torn apart by chaos
It's a shitshow to play against but lore and design are on point
Still 10/10 the worst boss
It’s kind of like how death stranding plays
Like, it is bad because it’s meant to show and reinforce the idea of how much she was altered
Imagine how good it would be if she wasn’t turned into a parasite
@@incompetentnerd4051 agree, maybe she wouldn't have had the same tragic meaning
If the terrain fell in a predictable way, and you could roll to dodge her arm attack it would have been fine
@@waleniafs You can roll to dodge her arms attacks actually
but... wolnir is so cool u pick up a item and theres some GIANT skeleton
Nailed it
Wimpie Baars I killed him flawless with an agressive playstyle i did not know that the poisen dealed dmg
Bloodborne Checklist: Being thrust into an unknown world with vague sense of direction and story. Check. Killing bosses with excessive dodge rolling/dashing. Check. Currency (Blood Echoes) drops after death and disappears if not retrieved. Check. Dying A LOT. Check. Yep, that sounds like "SOULS" game to me.
But idiots are idiots......
What was that?
palindinX also, Ludwig and the holy moonlight blade
Tip: If you stay close to Lolnir's friendship bracelets, you can dodge his fog breath while still attacking
Wait I have to ask though.
I know staying there won't hurt but, do the bracelets serve as a protection AOE or are you just simply out of the range?
I actually really like the Moonlight Butterfly fight, just because it is really chilled and the music is nice :D It just appears to be some kind of otherworldly creature that actually just wants to be left alone ^^
Did i mention "just" btw?
MrOkaron ikr it scared me at first because the rest of the boss fights are usually intense
I completely agree. DS1 is a dark world and MBfly is a nice change of pace. That scorpion woman who disappears into the sand in DS2 is easily the lamest boss in the entire series. I actually put MBfly in my top 30 bosses.
MrOkaron actually most bosses want to be left alone
Lyna Ckhilou Yeah. Literally the whole story line of Dark Souls 3 is that the bosses want to be left alone
i thought wolnir was quite interesting actually... i think the lore rating here was off.
Smidget I like the concept but even for dark souls it was too vague
@@bingobongo1615 ds lore are vague as fuck.
Yo, who the hell does to the Wolnir poison more than once? I literally walk up to his hand and the posion never even touches me
Quelorakath Rethikhaalis it’s just rng. I rarely get it. Same with the skeletons but I also just do the fight really fast. He’s really easy.
@@TheGreendaleHumanBeing even if he does his poison breath attack, as long as your on the outer side of his hand (and I don't know why u wouldn't be) it doesn't hurt you
I didn’t even know the mist existed in his fight
BloodSouls?
+ThePsychoRenegade Demon'sBourne
+Harmonious Hyena neither dark nor souls is in there
Tristan Devita Yup, It's perfect.
"Demon'sBourne 5: Resurrection"
I'd buy that.
+ThePsychoRenegade Soulsborne
+Genesis Angel You realise demons souls and dark souls are owned by the same company?
Uhm, Bloodborne is certainly in the same boat as the Souls games, anyone forget that the beta footage for Bloodborne had Father Gascoigne say "Umbasa"? Demon Souls. Miyazaki himself discussed that Bloodborne and the Souls series are incredibly similar, and if anyone has played the games, they'll find out quickly. Hence why people mold them together, because they are practically one and the same.
+Something Something
And the nickname during development, "Project Beasts", was specifically a Demon's Souls reference.
In my opinion, Bloodborne has the highest overall boss quality. There are only a few mediocre bosses, such as the Witches of Hemwick, and Celestial Emissary. But that's about it.
Bloodborne has like only 9 top tier bosses while half of DS3 are top tier imo
I actually thought every boss in Bloodborne was great while half the bosses in DS3 ended up just pissing me off because of stupid shit.
Eh. Tbh bb actually had more of a reason to keep fighting them. The fights were higher risk imo. Ya got no protection. And side note that I find hilarious: a lot of veteran players actually rage quit at gasgoine, which is shocking
my cheap ass tablet wont lemme put the keypad down lol
For me it’s dark souls 3, too many of the bosses in bloodbourne are hittbox abusive or just dumb
6:53 i have to agree with you and i hated how From ended the fight that i decided to kill the Wyvern without the plunge attack. the best way that i think you could improve this fight is that you get the storm ruler here instead of from Yhorm and you slice it out of the sky and THEN you do the running to get a plunge attack.
Bloodborne is a Souls game. The people who say it isn't are just sad they can't play it.
+Descendant of Kraff "Bloodborne is a Souls game"...you should take the time to really let that sink in. "BLOODborne is a Souls game". I guess we all translated it wrong. Soulsborne it is. I'll just let everyone know you're the one that proved we were ALL wrong.
By the way, you're also wrong. I own the game in physical in digital copy as well as the platinum that comes with it. This platinum, like my other platinums, were earned without the use of the internet (by that, I mean no guides, no hints from people, no forums posts like the rest of these casuals)
+Darkness 26 huh i guess the archtrees and grey crags in the hunters dream were my imagination
+Darkness 26 the fireplace in the hunters dream cabin is the first fire, hence the metaphor midway in the game when the cabin catches on fire before you fight gerhman
Lol you deleted my comment? How childish. Then let's make sure everyone sees it: "BLOODborne is a SOULS game" Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
EDIT: Oh wait, I forgot to point out again how I have the platinum for Bloodborne. Stop deleting my comment just so you can have your childish little opinion. Everyone's allowed an opinion, that doesn't make your opinion right.
+Darkness 26 Literally every part of the souls formula but the setting and game world is carried into Bloodborne. It's a souls game, it's idiotic to disagree.
I was so disappointed with the bed of chaos, they could have done so much more with it!! She deserved better :D
0:53 Dat face XD This is how I look when teacher says "Are you cheating?!"
hah
Slavko Horička nice
I never even knew Wolnir had poison. He died in like 10 seconds.
Yeah was asking myself, how someone can die to wolnir. I also pretty sure he dont have poison, he was standing in the darkness...
I guess now it's called soulsborne: shadows die twice
Matt Murray. This is why it needs to remain the Soul series. Because Fromsoft are gonna make plenty of souls like games and to just keep on making the name longer and adding new titles is unnecessary and straight retarded.
Soulsborne: demons die twice
Soulsborne: Eldens Ring Twice
Honestly I liked the Wyvern in Ds3 :/ it was cool and the cinematic was awesome! I think the only reason this boss is being called the worst or second worst bossfight in ds3 is because it feelt as an disappointment. when you see all that cool shit and the Wyvern's cool entrance you felt like it's going to be awesome!!!!! but you've already watched a youtube clip on how to beat it so it just becomes easy. But hey that's just my opinion
+McNoXturn I fully agree.
agree
Word. It felt like a "Lord of the Rings" battle scene. It was fucking awesome.
Cinematic?
The action was carefully orchestrated to almost seem scripted. It wasn't challenging but it was really fucking awesome.
Ancient Wyvern, 10 attempts at trying to plunge it and falling straight through its head. Feelsgoodman
+iCresp keep pushing R1 instead of pushing it once or pushing it fast. Then you will always hit
Nito Raki oh ok, I didn't know that O.o ty
iCresp im a DS veteran and just found that out in DS3 aswell lol
maybe they changed it
I actually kinda like the blue smelter demon , sure it’s a reskin but I think it’s really neat that they mixed up the type of damage and the timing of his attacks.
While it is true that the run up to it is bullshit I always try to not include that when judging a boss
That’s what I came to say. I hate the run-up and basically just keep going until most of the enemies stop spawning, but it’s actually a fun fight. Yes, it’s a somewhat lazy reskin, but it does make meaningful changes with timing and damage type, and it is a reskin of one of the better DS2 bosses. Now, from a lore perspective, it’s definitely a dud and is tacked on with a horrible run up like all the DS2 DLC optional bosses.
To be fair, the Red Dragon is really only purposed as an obstacle rather than an actual boss fight. I'm sure the team allowed the thing to have a health bar for immersion factor.
Im pretty sure if the ancient wyvern wasnt a boss, people would be saying it was a cool obstacle in the area. Like that fire throwing giant in sen's fortress
Ehh, it has a health bar so I guess it’s a boss. But the Red Dragon from demons souls is definitely not a boss. I don’t know why it’s here.
"I like playing a game designed to discourage recklessness with total reckless abandon, so when the game doesn't let me do that, it's bad." --Every DeModcracy video ever
That's why we love him.
So basically opposite day???
Imagine thinking it discourages recklessness when greatsword and ultra greatswords exist
I have no idea what's he complaining about regarding Wolnir. You are not supposed to go under him, just wait for him to smash the ground. Not a good design, but I'm not gonna fucking run into the Flamelurker just because I find waiting for him to attack boring, then die, and proceed to call it a bad boss.
@@zacharyk951
Yes his opinion that is not very good
Just shows how he uses op strategies to call himself as good, (like rapier with buffs and r1 someone to death in their first hit) but never really playing the game as it was designed to be played. I mean, the main mechanics of this game is to learn when to strike and when and how to dodge/block
2019 and I've still never taken any damage from Wolnir's poison
I personally really like wolnir. Aesthetically it's An amazing boss. And the poison keeps you on your toes just enough to stop him from being a joke. Otherwise this seems like a pretty fair list.
"I'm salty that the Bed of Chaos keeps jamming me in its holes"...same. Now the Witch of Izalith? Jam me right in.
where pinwheel at
+Cole Downing pinwheel has a very good lore.
true.
Well Pinwheel was more like "whatever" than bad. He's just a very small speed bump made out of straw.
Pinwheel is also a regular enemy already. (In tomb of giants close to nito fog gate IIRC)
lore and drops made pinwheel actually a good boss
Personally I actually really enjoy the wyvern for its spectacle and demeanour. It’s pretty climatic climbing up and around the ancient society at the top of the world to slay a big add dragon, although I will admit the fight doesn’t have much going beyond that, I kind of like it anyway, especially since it’s something relatively fresh and unique in terms it’s general concept.
0 lore on the bed of Chaos? uuuuuuhh. Its a shit fight but that fight has a shit ton of lore to it.
+Grumpy Karthus He definitely could've explained it better in the video but he did make a comment here saying something how he scored the lore based on how the boss lives up to the lore behind it. And Bed of Chaos being so extraordinarily awful it nullifies any cool aspects of the lore completely (like how he gave low points in challenge to both easy and hard bosses because the hard ones here he found cheaply difficult and not an actual, well-designed challenge i.e. his opinion of Loran Darkbeast).
bloodborne is a souls game, just because it doesn't have souls in the title does not mean its not a souls game
+Andy BUT it's made by the same devs with the same kind of focus on challenge and fucking you hard up the bum for screwing up!
I call it a spin-off. It was originally called Beastsouls if I'm not mistaken.
TheChilipepper77 not related to souls somehow a souls game ummm
Bloodborn is apart of the souls series because your freind trust patches is in most of the games even bloodborn
I can't even read this
@@EboyPatcha "Bloodborne is a part of the souls series because your friend trusty Patches is in all souls games, and also in Bloodborne" Translation for you. (The edit was me fixing capitalization on names)
@@Cluke6 Thank you for the translation it was painful to read before hand.
Ah yes, trust patches. My favourite recurring characters.
Not going to say that the Moonlight Butterfly is a really good boss, but it has one thing I actually really like: a WTF value. From when you first see it all the way to when it dies. The atmosphere, the music, and the giant mutant laser shooting butterfly itself
make you feel like your tripping balls from all the random moss you consumed on the way to it.
I loved the Ancient Wyvern, I thought it was truly innovative as they found a way to create a boss as part of a level. So many bosses are engangements in an open arena, but the ancient wyern essentially took a level and added a sense of urgency that dark souls has never really had.
problem is, once you've done it once, that's all it is, it just becomes a chore when you do it again and again
@@Avghistorian77 then buy another game
@@angelnobody7137 he said one boss is bad dude chill the fuck out
One of the best opening bits I've seen on UA-cam. Well planned, executed and edited 👏🏻👏
I actually liked loran and wolnir, they were really easy but I just love their aesthetics. The spookiness they each share by being massive skelebeasts/giants, sick jewelry and lightning cloak. You know these guys are playing fashion souls ;)
I feel like there was some bias regarding the Bed of Chaos fight, obviously because it's a shitty ass boss, but giving lore 0/10? Come on man, you need to differentiate shitty gameplay from shitty narrative.
I feel like that bias is most notable when you talk about Wolnir, since you literally admit that you think he's a shitty boss because you can't fight him the wrong way.
Also Red Dragon isn't a boss m8
+Bud Spudsy he explains in the next video why he gave 0/10 in lore its because the bed of chaos is a bad representation of her lore
The lore is based on how well it represents its lore. The Witch of Izalith is awesome, but the Bed of Chaos is a very poor representation of the Witch, which is why he gave it a 0.
How can the BoC be worse than Ancient Dragon, Micoash , Royal Rat Authority-Vanguard, Rom , Prowling Magus. I am sure people hate on it because it's cool :D. The design of the boss is much better than the above mentioned (excluding Rom) and the lore is great.
Are you really that stupid or just trolling? I cant tell.
“Outnumbering the player to simulate difficulty instead of creating interesting and complex mechanics.”
This sums up the entirety of dark souls 2
Pursuer? Velstadt? Brume Knight? Sir Allone?
@@lesleycatch exeptions
@@lesleycatch Pursuer has points where he spawns multiple to simulate difficulty.
Velstadt can be summoned by a DLC boss with a horde of undead to chase.
Sir Allone is fantastic but an absolute chore to get to imagine if you will if Artorias had no shortcuts to his boss arena.
@@freedomscale2957 Really? Is that in the Scholar version? Ive only played regular version.
@@lesleycatch Pursuer stuff is all SOTFS
Not sure about that other stuff
Wolnir is one of my favourite bosses in the series, so seeing him this low was genuinely confusing :|
Luke Warm it’s really cool in lore and aesthetics, but it’s the easiest and most simple boss in Ds3 imo, and it’s also the most boring because he only attacks every ten seconds. Then he has the “weak points” gimmick, except the bracelets are so easy to hit and very very easily broken. Then he has the sword which doesn’t make the fight any harder but does make the third bracelet impossible to hit. And then there’s also the skeletons that have a small chance of plaguing the whole arena and making it a gank fight with enemies that are easy and also easy to just ignore. And there’s the poison, which is easy to avoid but if you get caught in it then it’s basically an insta-kill which is dumb imo. The cheese and infrequent attacks make it boring, and the only real cool thing in the battle imo is the reveal when you pick up the item, and that’s if you actually pick it up instead of cheesing the battle and going to his hand. Idk rly, it’s cool in some ways, but not all :(
Ok, look;
You got High Lord Wolnir completely wrong my friend.
In what aspect, you ask? Lore.
If you actually payed attention, you'll see that he was the Conqueror Of Carthus, who brought peace to a bunch of lords or whatever. Eventually, he was swallowed by the abyss, meaning you didn't send him farther in the fight. You just killed em.
+ 1 ; and not adding to this the fact that the fog is freaking easy to avoid.
Plus Wolnir is Yhorm's father.
No you send him deeper into the abyss unless you kill him without breaking his braclets
@@Rocdan100 up for debate really
More like his predecessor as King and protector of the profane Capital... Not that those bastard ever deserved anyone as good as Wolnir or Yharm. The should've all burned in h*LL long before Yhorm linked the flame. (sorry...I like Yhorms lore 🤗)
0:15 then explain marvellous Chester
Wulnir this low? I think his introduction and visual design atleast alots him an average boss slot.
yea I was thinking that as well
I don't mind you using SoulsBorne. People are stupid and don't pay close attention to the lore.
Should be soulsbourne(not counting dark souls 2)
That's right, in dark souls 1 dlc, marvelous chester say that he is from another world and time. and there is also the moonlight greatsword!
8 years later and it still slaps
nice rankings mate :)
+Andres Kutulas Thanks Andres! :)
+theDeModcracy cant believe demon firesage/centipede demon isn't in this list...
+Daan Vieveen
I really liked firesage. Sure its a reskin of the stray demon but most players probably dont find the stray demon fight the first time
tbh i dont mind firesage much, but it shouldnt score high if you add in his ranking system
+MemerOfTheBorealValley I don't think Asylum Demon or its clones are at all good bosses even remotely. Stray Demon may be slightly better than the rest since it can be an actual challenge if you fight it early enough and it gives you a Titanite Slab for defeating it. That's about it. By the time you get to Demon Firesage you're probably at a level where it poses little to no threat whatsoever, and even if you didn't know about Stray Demon beforehand, all it is is Asylum Demon with an AoE. It never was a boss that to me had interesting design, attacks or anything of the sort. It's just dumb and lazy. And the triple Asylum Demons are even worse when you look at Demon's Souls and discover ALL of them are copies of Vanguard. Similar in both looks and attacks. You don't get much lazier than that. Copying a boss from your previous game and copying THAT two separate other times. Blue Smelter is actually a _good_ palette swap boss and that's the one that gets ranked bottom 10 here. -__-
You should start rating the locations in Soulsborne games :)
Top 10 soulsborne pots
Would’ve been cool if the bed of chaos summoned demons or something to fight you and when you get an opening you destroy the thing that you actually destroy, then repeat with harder demons but balanced with small fast low damage demons and big slow high damage demons. Then at the third phase the chaos flame creates a spirit of the witch of Izalith (still saves for each part broken) and when you fight her she’s like a mage mixed with pyromancer and has that moveset or she can be a melee/pyromancer in the last part of the fight. Could make it faster or take out the first two phases or one phase and make the demons come out once then have it three phases then the mage, then the melee.
That would have been so cool.
I actually liked the Ancient Wyvern fight...
+Oshiria Me too. I actually thought it was pretty cool
saaame
Isn't it just a copy and awkward fun service of Asylum Demon?
Chris Peng The Asylum Demon from Dark Souls 1?..I dont think so. They are very different fights
fighting him second time i would always miss his fuckin head
I actually really like the blue smelter demon. It forces you to be fully into the fight otherwise you have to face the harsh consequences
You know. The butterfly is meant to teach you to use a ranged option. They have an option for every build and Pyro is meant for a ranged for mele since there's no Stat require....idk why people refuse to use anything ranged. It's your own fault if you refuse to use tools that are given to you. You are making it harder on yourself the game tells you what to use and gives it to you
Damn I love Wolnir :(, his design's amazing!
"Why doesn't Loran Darkbeast have an attack to keep you from getting under it"
>shows the AOE attack that does exactly that
Your other reasons are valid, it being a DPS race and all, but that was a bit of a blunder.
+acw215079 he most likely either never saw the move or he never got hit with it underneath the darkbeast (ie running away)
I can’t believe it’s been 7 years. This video series is what got me reinvested in the Souls games and I’m so happy that I found it.
I resent you putting Wolnir on this list, I like Wolnir. His story is tragic, fell into the abyss and still remained so strong that you had to beat him by sending him back to the abyss. I mean he's an asshole, but so many stories in this series begin with fear.
his fight is complete garbage though
Axe and chain dude is the real boss part of the Ancient Wyvern.
Wolnir was pretty cool for me because I really wasn’t expecting the whole setting to change and the model is really cool. It’s also really cool when he gets dragged into darkness
Am i the only one who actually thought "Darkborne" sounded cool...
It sounds cool, but it leaves out Demon's Souls.
I've never actually *met* anyone who's played that one though, so...
@@Mare_Man that's gonna change soon though
@@benfenwick5403 I'll be one of them, soon. Very soon indeed.
@@Mare_Man sooner or later..
The fact you died when fighting wolnir is actually sad
I was playing DS3 once and when I was fighting the Kunai with Chain MF on the way to the Ancient Wyvern, the AW got so bored that it committed die somewhere off-screen and left me in shock
Excuse me Mr. Man, you forgot 'The Old Iron King'.
+jizzm0nkey273
indeed and Stray, Firesage, Ceaseless Discharge, and Centipede demons
"I hate the poison!" * Keeps running into it when the area behind him is safe *
you know, looking back at the opening of this series, the moonlight greatsword connects the series, Our Guiding Moonlight if you will ;D
So when's Top 10 reasons why you love the word Darkborne
How the hell do you not have more subscribers. UA-cam be fucking up
+Joseph Killa I've gained 25k in the last two weeks! We're on the right track Killa ;)
+theDeModcracy yee
+theDeModcracy i hope you become bigger :D
An old video but I quiet enjoyed watching it before Elden ring comes out.
It's interesting to see others opinions about the soulsborne series.
I was surprised be the Moonlight butterfly which would be much higher in the list for me personally but I understand what you did not like about it.
I'm surprised by the lack of Ancient Dragon. I thought that was the worst boss in the whole series. All you do is run to the dragon, strike its legs, run away from it and then repeat until it's dead. This lasts for at least 6 minutes if not more. Even Bed of Chaos has more variety in the fight, they even put checkpoints in it and you can kill it in less than a minute with firebombs. Yes, the buggy mess that is Bed of Chaos is much more enjoyable than the drag that is Ancient Dragon.
I'm also surprised that Prowling Magus didn't make it here either. That fight shouldn't count as a boss fight!
+High Voltage Well, if you think the ancient dragon fight sucks, then why do you even participate in it? Just not fight the ancient dragon, it's so easy...
Hans Buikhuizen
Because it's a boss fight that exists in the game? Sure, it being optional is a positive, but that doesn't make the fight itself better.
It's still content that exists in the game, so it isn't free from criticism just because it can be avoided.
High Voltage I guess you're right. But your criticism quickly loses meaning with the ancient dragon fight being so incredibly avoidable.
That's like complaining about the peanut butter in the closet, just because it's an option. If you don't like peanut butter, don't eat it. Don't criticize it just because it's possible to take it.
Hans Buikhuizen
That's kinda like reviewing Dark Souls and not taking in account Ash Lake, significance of Gwyndolin and the lore surrounding him, ignoring the Painted World and its masterful level design, completely ignoring the online functionality and what it adds to the overall experience, etc.
It is content in the game, and thus it can be criticized.
And the topic here is boss fights, so it doesn't make any sense to ignore the negatives of a fight simply because it's optional. That's not a factor in the design of the fight. When rating boss fights, whether or not something is optional doesn't exactly mean anything. You still have to count it in regardless.
If we're talking overall game design, then something being optional is a factor, and it's still not an excuse for something being horrible. It only begs the question of why it exists in the first place.
High Voltage Okay, so the fight sucks, but it doesn't matter. You see, the ancient dragon fight being terrible is anywhere near as bad as Bed of Chaos was. That's because you can just ignore the the ancient dragon and move on.
(I've always actually kinda liked the Bed of Chaos)
I randomly found you. I'm glad I did
+Tyler Sonsma Me too Tyler, welcome!
what kind of editing software do you use?
I use Sony Vegas Pro 13
+theDeModcracy thanks dude!! keep up the great work dude, I'll be sure to watch your videos while I'm deployed c:
Sure thing and will do. Good luck out there soldier!
Just to note, you can actually kill the Red Dragon without having to do so on the bridge (the bridge is just the 'safer' method, if a much more tedious and boring method at that). If you explore the preceding area you'll come across two dragons resting on an elevated plateau. The one closest to you is the Red Dragon, and it will just sit there and let you shoot it, and it's only response will be to breathe fire at you, which you can evade pretty easily by ducking back into a nearby doorway. If you kill the Red Dragon that way, it won't even appear on that bridge. And the second dragon? I believe it's only reaction to you shooting it, IIRC, is to just up and fly away, it won't even attack you, nor will it replace it's companion by bating the bridge leading to the Tower Knight in fire.
I like the lore of the bed of chaos... But not the battle
+Elijah Burnett Yeah I agree. It makes sense that we're fighting something other than the Witch, herself. Her whole backstory is that she lost control of her soul trying to recreate the first flame, and chaos (the complete absence of control) resulted.
The Bed of Chaos is the manifestation of that soul with a life of its own. I think lore scores off the charts on that battle.
But yeah, the actual fighting was a super bummer.
I think BloodSouls sounds better.
Oh and on The Bed Of Chaos, based on what you said shouldn´t it have some points in lore?
Let's pretend the other stats are - points Cus FUCK THAT BOSS
"Top 10 Worst--"
Bed of Chaos: **pops collar**
Can't believe Prowling Magus and the Congregation isn't here. It was the most bemusing boss in the worst game in the series.
Worst game in the series but still like an 8/10. I feel like dark souls 2 gets too much hate just because dark souls 1 and demon souls were both so good.
Worst boss? The first one with Dragonrider was the worst.
Stick Samurai i used to defend DS2 a lot, probably because i really enjoyed it. I also felt like it got a lot of undeserved hate from the community. But looking back at it now, after playing Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 a few times, i realise how bad DS2 actually is. A lot of the difficulty in DS2 was purely artificial. Overcrowding certain areas with boring enemies, instead of putting only a few enemies with better mechanics. Giving bosses with bad move-sets a ton of HP and making their attacks take huge chunks of your HP.
Crown of the Old Iron King perfectly illustrates this point. The path to the Blue Smelter Demon is one of the worst pieces of game-design in the entire series. More enemies than you can realistically handle, in an unrealistically unfair environment. The hardest part of that entire boss fight is just getting to the boss without using up all your Estus. The same can really be said about Sir Alonne. If you don't decide to try your luck and just run through everything, you're not going to have enough Estus left by the time you get to the boss.
I think what made DS2 seem even worse than it actually was, was the fact that Bloodborne came out so soon after, and the mechanics and over-all game-play of Bloodborne was so much better, and so much more polished. It made it very hard for people to look at DS2 as a quality game.
At least the Gargoyles from DS1 are fun.
I personally dislike Wolnir for a different reason. I can easily avoid his toxic smoke, but the thing is, what kept happening is that I destroyed the bracelets on his right arm, but his left arm is to far back for me to want to attack.
Then he summons a horde of skeletons, and draws his sword, presumably to stroke as he watches his skeleton army gangbang me to death.
And it keeps me from hitting the bracelet on his left arm as well.
High Lord Wolnir ?
No way.
Excellent boss...just a little too easy , but the concept , lore , design and arena are perfect for my taste.
Bloodborne isn't a souls game by name only. Didn't know so many people would be pissed about that. It's always part of the series to me.
ikr?
+Genesis Angel I'd say they're separate due to licensing issues only. The fact that there is tons of references and such to both Bloodborne and Demons Souls in Dark Souls 1-3 kinda leads me to believe they're in the same time line also. Atlas published Demons and owns the rights, meaning Bamco couldn't use the name or characters in Dark Souls. Bamco owns the Dark souls stuff so Japan Studio and Sony couldn't use direct stuff in Bloodborne. The strands are there to connect them game and Lore wise however, and they're mechanically almost the same game. To deny the strands as just being "easter eggs" or such would then lead us to disbelieve a lot of lore as easter eggs or references too.
+Genesis Angel they are actually part of a series a thematic series
+Genesis Angel not from the same world they have the same themes (hard difficulty, mechanics, etc) here's the thing Miyazaki said that he and fromsoftware both agree that dark souls 3 is the end no more demon's (which is in the same world as dark souls) and bloodborne they want to focus on new ip's
+Genesis Angel www.gamespot.com/articles/dark-souls-3-interview-it-wouldnt-be-right-to-cont/1100-6432425/ yea no he says not continuing them as well
Damn this was 8 years ago holy hell
Maybe you shouldn't go into fights with horribly overpowered, buff stacked weapons. The damage you did to the twin dragonriders is insane.
They're a joke regardless, IMO. I beat them with light armor and a one-handed mace, no consumables.