This was his only steam design that really worked properly. The Pacifics were much more efficient and reliable after Ron Jarvis rebuilt them, and still looked good.
Wish it was still with the Bluebell. Handsome in an ugly way. Remember as a youngster watching them on the pick up goods shunting at Penshurst station. Ah! those were the days.
Once saw one crossing Stapleton Road viaduct. What a cop. Must have been a rare visitor. Sadly the viaduct is no more and the only Q1 remains a prisoner in the NRM.
I disagree with those who say the Q1 is ugly. It's actually quite stylish, in a 'Southern Moderne' kind of way - a sort of locomotive version of Chessington branch stations! Thin, ripply steel sheets (understandable in wartime) didn't help their appearance, and nor did the mid-60s livery of grime. In my early childhood, I'd run down to the bottom of the garden (next to the Guildford New Line) to wave to the driver of the branch coal train - usually Q1-hauled - and always got a wave back. My last memories are of seeing C20 (as it had been renumbered by a cleaner with a sense of history) clearing the goods yard at Cobham. Just after the official end of SR steam, I watched from my bedroom window as a brace of them were hauled down the line to some distant scrapyard (I have an enduring recollection that no diesel was involved in that night-time movement...). It's a shame that a couple more weren't preserved, as they had years of life left in them and would have proved hugely practical, go-anywhere, haul-anything motive power for preserved railways. Regrettably, they didn't meet the arbitrary aesthetic standards of the often rather narrow-minded preservation movement of those days.
Agreed. Always loved their bizarre design. Such a shame there arent more around. Sometimes think a new build Q1 would be a real positive to uk heritage railways - 33041 group or something?
@@olic9804 Now there's a thought. Sadly, I think it would be an uphill struggle to raise funds for 33041 rather than for some prettier, if less practical, alternative. Other things I'd like to see re-created - a Tavern Car (a vehicle that was beyond parody, but I think it would be popular, despite the lack of a view); Bulleid/Raworth 20001 (an impressive machine); a Drummond railmotor (ideal for lightly-loaded services on lightly graded lines); a 4 LAV unit (well liked by all accounts); an SR-design 2 EPB (always liked them - looked good in green); and an operational fully equipped, traditional goods yard complete with ancillary buildings and a representative mix of wagons and road vehicles (hugely educational and with lots of potential for film shoots). I am quietly confident that I shall see none of those in my lifetime!
That thought occurred to me too, but a theoretical 33041 could be pitched on being practical, unique (especially as a sole working example so could be a good draw if a gala guest) as well as reasonably sized for smaller lines (loading gauge permitting, it could haul heavier trains they wouldnt normally get) and probably economical in terms of construction and maintenance - certainly compared to something like a P2? But I'm just musing in all honesty! Those all sound very interesting, particularly the EPB, could be unique! - who knows, maybe one of them might come to pass at some point?
I wonder if they’ll bring him into CGI. Also, if he does come back: they may need to change the sound of his whistle because when he was first on the show, his whistle sounded EXACTLY like flying Scotsman’s.
How does one maintain an engine with no running boards? Do crew have to use step-ladders? Does the engine have a sandbox, and how does one fill it without a running board to climb onto. The lack of a running board seems like a false economy.
@@memeking7273 Yes, but like I said, a false economy. Maintenance cost is everything in steam locomotive economics. This must be one of the few classes with that "feature" ever built anywhere.
Wartime. Steel in short supply. I don't think it was necessary for the crew to access the top of the boiler and having no running plate actually makes access to the valve gear for lubrication easier. I'm not sure about the location of the sandboxes but certainly not on top of the boiler. The Bulleid Pacifics have them between the wheels, sloping down under the boiler from just above the running plate (😀), where the filler caps are located.
@@984francis - Thanks for that explanation. I suppose, on a line like the Southern, sand wasn't necessary very often, or for very long. Apparently the safety valves require little maintenance, because they are still on top of the boiler. I presume the other item on top of the boiler is the steam dome. North American steam locos have many items on top of the boiler, including a turbo-generator to power the headlight, and often, even the feedwater heating system. That is why they all have running boards and handrails. The Southern Q1 shows that they can be dispensed with, war austerity or not.
@@HSMiyamoto I believe that when it came to maintenance they were well liked because the lack of frills meant that access to almost any part of the engine was relatively easy. But I imagine that a Bluebell staff member will confirm or deny that!
I used to see them a couple of times a week running past the end of the garden with the New Line's coal train. Very fond of them and glad that, against all the odds, one survived. Should have been more, though, as they had years of life left in them and were powerful and practical engines.
Me! Stylish, in my view. Never understood all that prejudice and mockery doled out to them. It's not that I don't appreciate the graceful Art Nouveau curviness of an Adams 4-4-0, but the Q1 has a different, and equally successful, Art Deco (or, more correctly, Moderne) aesthetic. People should appreciate the Q1 for what it is, rather than decrying it for what it isn't. Funnily enough, people don't apply the same standards to diesels - the distinctive design of the Western diesel-hydraulics is much admired; no one moans that they don't look Class 40s.
While they may be an eyesore for some I think the Q1s look amazing. They look very unique looking not to mention are very strong.
@The Random One no they are very strong they can outpull a diesel locomotives today
Bulleid made some quirky looking locos, cool to see a q1 in action.
That’s Neville
Not like other train designers
This was his only steam design that really worked properly. The Pacifics were much more efficient and reliable after Ron Jarvis rebuilt them, and still looked good.
Lovely 🎉
the Qs are pretty in their own way :)
thanks for sharing this rare footage with us!
It ain’t pretty, but it does a damn fine job, and that is pretty enough
Made for war
I wish one day we can see this engine run again. I would also like to build my own q1 class if I can get enough money.
The fact this engine left the bluebell railway is sad but seeing a video of it running is epic
The most beautiful loco ever built , I’ve three on my layout one named after our son whom we lost in summer 1997 😢 regards Fred
It may look like telescopic lunch box but I like that about it it makes it unique
Love to see another one built so it can be run in future.
I feel like the Q1s are the closest we'll ever get to actual steampunk vehicles.
One of my favourite locomotives
I could imagine seeing one of these on the west Somerset railway
Wish it was still with the Bluebell. Handsome in an ugly way. Remember as a youngster watching them on the pick up goods shunting at Penshurst station. Ah! those were the days.
What a beauty! If only there were more film of Q1s. Remember them at Southampton when I was a nipper. Thanks for this.
Neville raced along the track with his new coaches, As He was so excited to visit Stepney.
Thomas and friends
Making tracks to great tracks
@tengkudita3665 *great destinations
Choo Choo wee wee
No is making tracks to great destinations@@Big_Ben1987
Remarkable engine. Wish I could have seen it live.
It would be something to see this in action. Thank goodness one survived.
Poor old Q1 received a lot of nicknames, but my favourite was the Telescopic Bread bin. (I love, 'em btw!)
wow didnt even know that thing had been restored at some point i thought it just sat in the nrm since retirement
What a great looking locomotive 💙
Once saw one crossing Stapleton Road viaduct. What a cop. Must have been a rare visitor. Sadly the viaduct is no more and the only Q1 remains a prisoner in the NRM.
I disagree with those who say the Q1 is ugly. It's actually quite stylish, in a 'Southern Moderne' kind of way - a sort of locomotive version of Chessington branch stations! Thin, ripply steel sheets (understandable in wartime) didn't help their appearance, and nor did the mid-60s livery of grime. In my early childhood, I'd run down to the bottom of the garden (next to the Guildford New Line) to wave to the driver of the branch coal train - usually Q1-hauled - and always got a wave back. My last memories are of seeing C20 (as it had been renumbered by a cleaner with a sense of history) clearing the goods yard at Cobham. Just after the official end of SR steam, I watched from my bedroom window as a brace of them were hauled down the line to some distant scrapyard (I have an enduring recollection that no diesel was involved in that night-time movement...). It's a shame that a couple more weren't preserved, as they had years of life left in them and would have proved hugely practical, go-anywhere, haul-anything motive power for preserved railways. Regrettably, they didn't meet the arbitrary aesthetic standards of the often rather narrow-minded preservation movement of those days.
Agreed. Always loved their bizarre design. Such a shame there arent more around. Sometimes think a new build Q1 would be a real positive to uk heritage railways - 33041 group or something?
@@olic9804 Now there's a thought. Sadly, I think it would be an uphill struggle to raise funds for 33041 rather than for some prettier, if less practical, alternative.
Other things I'd like to see re-created - a Tavern Car (a vehicle that was beyond parody, but I think it would be popular, despite the lack of a view); Bulleid/Raworth 20001 (an impressive machine); a Drummond railmotor (ideal for lightly-loaded services on lightly graded lines); a 4 LAV unit (well liked by all accounts); an SR-design 2 EPB (always liked them - looked good in green); and an operational fully equipped, traditional goods yard complete with ancillary buildings and a representative mix of wagons and road vehicles (hugely educational and with lots of potential for film shoots).
I am quietly confident that I shall see none of those in my lifetime!
That thought occurred to me too, but a theoretical 33041 could be pitched on being practical, unique (especially as a sole working example so could be a good draw if a gala guest) as well as reasonably sized for smaller lines (loading gauge permitting, it could haul heavier trains they wouldnt normally get) and probably economical in terms of construction and maintenance - certainly compared to something like a P2? But I'm just musing in all honesty!
Those all sound very interesting, particularly the EPB, could be unique! - who knows, maybe one of them might come to pass at some point?
@@olic9804 We can dream!
Oh, and the tavern car sounds like it would be a laugh to see recreated! 😆
If you hear closely its kinda like the Q1 class in Train Simulator
sometimes you need to give it up for southern for making an engine that is as strong as a black 5 in such a small packedge
Helen of Troy had the face that launched a thousand ships. The Q1 had a face that stopped a thousand clocks.
Real life Neville from Thomas & Friends.
Ye
I wonder if they’ll bring him into CGI. Also, if he does come back: they may need to change the sound of his whistle because when he was first on the show, his whistle sounded EXACTLY like flying Scotsman’s.
Ya sad to see him go
He got such little screen time
@@twilightanimate9893 He appeared in a model series episode with a cgi face (or model-cgi, as I call it)
@@florjanbrudar692Neville arrived to collect some freight cars. He was exited.
(Neville's last line) "THE BRASS BAND IS ARRIVING IN BRENDOM DOCKS!"
That look like Neville in Thomas and Friends
Neville is based on an SR Bullied Q1
You both do mean this is him, right?
@@florjanbrudar692 Yes.
Oh hello Neville.
0% steamie
0% locomotive
0% train
100% Neville
0% diesel
100% steamie
Neville's face sure goes with the way he looks as a whole lol.
@@Dcc357 yeh lol
Absolutely love the Q1s
the Q1 is a just a chassie a boiler 2 buffers wheels and a cab
No, it’s just a boiler, firebox, cab, frames, two cylinders, a smokebox, valve gear, a cab and the boiler jacket.
@@daylightman8459 well u understand what i meant
Neville
Telescopic bread loaf on wheels
To quote Chris Eden Green
I love these locomotive
“Ya did good breadbox.”
I saw that exact Q1 at the National Railway Museum
I miss this one.
hey look, Neville!
Where is this loco now? Whatever we think of its look, it is such a unique piece of British railway history.
I still want to know where you put the key in to wind it up.
Thank you Mr. Collett by the way.
That’s Neville
As of present, the Q1isn’t attached to its tender (which I have spotted loose in the yard). I couldn’t figure out why.
4 days before I was born.
Nice!
Dose it job and dose it well.
It’s Neville
That’s Neville from Thomas and Friends
Isnt that what Neville is in thomas the train
HEY IT’S NEVILLE!!!!
Omg it's Neville.
Isn't this one now in the NRM York?
It is indeed.
this is real nevile
Hey it's nevile
Ah yes
*N E V I L L E*
How does one maintain an engine with no running boards? Do crew have to use step-ladders? Does the engine have a sandbox, and how does one fill it without a running board to climb onto. The lack of a running board seems like a false economy.
If I remember the Q1 were made with the mind set of "make the thing strong and screw everything else"
@@memeking7273 Yes, but like I said, a false economy. Maintenance cost is everything in steam locomotive economics. This must be one of the few classes with that "feature" ever built anywhere.
Wartime. Steel in short supply. I don't think it was necessary for the crew to access the top of the boiler and having no running plate actually makes access to the valve gear for lubrication easier. I'm not sure about the location of the sandboxes but certainly not on top of the boiler. The Bulleid Pacifics have them between the wheels, sloping down under the boiler from just above the running plate (😀), where the filler caps are located.
@@984francis - Thanks for that explanation. I suppose, on a line like the Southern, sand wasn't necessary very often, or for very long. Apparently the safety valves require little maintenance, because they are still on top of the boiler. I presume the other item on top of the boiler is the steam dome. North American steam locos have many items on top of the boiler, including a turbo-generator to power the headlight, and often, even the feedwater heating system. That is why they all have running boards and handrails. The Southern Q1 shows that they can be dispensed with, war austerity or not.
@@HSMiyamoto I believe that when it came to maintenance they were well liked because the lack of frills meant that access to almost any part of the engine was relatively easy. But I imagine that a Bluebell staff member will confirm or deny that!
Horsted Keynes
May I use this footage in a video please? I will credit you.
Yes,that’s fine.
@@andycollett4857 Thanks!
*N e v I l e*
It’s his basis.
Its neville from thomas and friends
Where are the pistons on these locos?
Inside the frames behind the front buffer beam
Inside the cylinders.
@@p.istaker8862 🤣🤣🤣 nice one
@@florjanbrudar692 Many express tender engines also had them. Castles, Princess, most LNER pacifics, Southern pacifics etc.
@@12crepello Ty for that.
AAAAH, ITS COMING RIGHT FOr us, oh never mind
for them being called ugly ducklings, they were pretty nice looking trains noncap
powerhouse
The Nevilles real.
I love the ugly ducklings.
Lousy Polish coal accounts for the black smoke. I saw these every day as a kid from the bridge next to Guildford shed.
I used to see them a couple of times a week running past the end of the garden with the New Line's coal train. Very fond of them and glad that, against all the odds, one survived. Should have been more, though, as they had years of life left in them and were powerful and practical engines.
Dose anyone agree with me when I say they don’t look ugly?
Me! Stylish, in my view. Never understood all that prejudice and mockery doled out to them. It's not that I don't appreciate the graceful Art Nouveau curviness of an Adams 4-4-0, but the Q1 has a different, and equally successful, Art Deco (or, more correctly, Moderne) aesthetic. People should appreciate the Q1 for what it is, rather than decrying it for what it isn't. Funnily enough, people don't apply the same standards to diesels - the distinctive design of the Western diesel-hydraulics is much admired; no one moans that they don't look Class 40s.
Ugly.. yet beautiful
Andrew these locomotives are also nicknamed “ugly ducklings”.
I want to eat it oh my hof
damn that thing is ugly............i love it
That would never do a ton
Tractive effort: 30,080 pounds
You where saying?
@@overpoweredsteamproduction513 It could be 300,000lbs and still would never do a ton
@Matthew Pastrikos And those things can't do a ton either.
@Matthew Pastrikos You guys do realise a ton is British slang for 100mph? 😂
The spams did and often. This wasn’t really designed to. It’s going pretty well in this clip
Neville