Are They The Latest Industry Plants?!
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2023
- Today we're having a look at some new music by a new band seeing a lot people complain that there's nothing new and good around right now. The Last Dinner Party have taken the industry by storm right now after they released their debut single "Nothing Matters". However, already they are receiving backlash and skepticism with folks accusing them of being "industry plants" or "nepo babies". Who cares? What do you think of this song? Is this a band who knows how to write a good song drawing from a variety of strong influences? Tell me in the comments.
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I wish the industry would plant more bands like this.
Plant more....spread seeds everywhere!
Me too, I could listen to this all day
Hard agree.
There are many more bands like these, but they don't have the industry support or algorithmic push to land on your radar
@@frisia3371 I agree, I like a lot of bands that have only seen a few thousand views here on UA-cam. If you got a list of your top three "unheard of" bands, I'll take it and have a listen.
Mine are (not that they are exactly "Like" The Last Dinner Party, but just people I really like and don't understand how they are much bigger.) Cat Clyde, The Spring Standards, and Stephen Wilson Jr, and as a bonus Lullaby by Grace Ives is so good!
I'm going to start an all-woman rock band and name it The Industry Plants.
That’s a good one
Can I join?
@@banaabekwegirl5731 are you in Portland?
Haha brilliant
Hmmm, who is the Harvey Weinstein of the music industry these days? Figure it out and start there.
"If this is what it means to be an industry plant I think the industry should keep planting stuff." Hahahaha that's brilliant.
The Last Dinner Party is such a breathe of fresh air 😭. If they are a industry plant I want more bands like them.
If they are as successful as they deserve to be, there *will* be more bands like them. Ironically as a result of how the industry works!
Right?
It is quite literally only female acts that get that "Industry Plant" label. Haim, Wet Leg, Let's Eat Grandma...these lot. All these bands can really play, really write songs. What does the term even mean? I don't think most people even understand how a new act with a major label works. You sign a band, then couple them with a good producer who works with them to produce something polished.
It's not though, you've just decided to only give examples of women to try and prove your point. The Strokes, Fred Again, Sam Smith, DJ khaled, to name a few. Stop trying to stir shit
that is so untrue lmao
wrong
People that get called industry plants usually have pasts being linked entirely to different genres. And it's usually a justified accusation that gets downplayed with strawman arguments.
There are plenty of men that get called industry plants lol there are also just plenty of people who are industry plants honestly.
I had no idea they were receiving such negative press, I saw these guys at Glasto and they were one of the highlights of my weekend. Saw them again last week in London, their stage presence speaks for itself, terrific performers!
I recon a year of great shows helps a studio commit.
How many think they can just hold a note and want to be famous?
They aren't getting negative press in the slightest. Quite the opposite, and that is what rubbed some people the wrong way. The press has been unanimously positive and seemingly for nothing, so people got sceptical. Despite the praise, press has had a negative effect because they constantly talk about that reputation. 90% of the conversation hasn't been about the band or their music. It's been about their exposure. Their debut album came out today, and every review says things like "people have accused them of not being deserving of their status, but with this album they prove they deserve the praise". Can no one just talk about how good or bad the songs are?
@@NogliI can. The songs and great. They’ve made an amazing album. I’ve told people who I think will like them to have a listen.
@@nerissarowan8119I'll second that ✌️
They are below average.
Her voice actually reminds me quite a bit of Marina Diamandis (Marina and the Diamonds). Really beautiful voice.
Interesting, when I played TLDP to a lad at work, he introduced me to Marina in response
Omg spot on, the singer does sound a bit like Marina (and Kate Bush IMO)
With some vocals hints of Siouxsie, as well
And some hints of Elizabeth Fraser
Marina should have been huge…
They're legit. Just watch their live videos from a year ago. They're a tight band and they've been doing this a long time and I hope they will come to the States.
You're in luck dude. They have a tour coming up.
@@regibusch98 Thanks! I actually got to see them live last Fall and I'll see them again in March for the album tour. I definitely recommend.
their first single is signed to universal fuck outta here with the legitness
If "the industry" can generate something so great from thin air they deserve every success.
I saw them at a tiny venue supporting a fabulous band called Walt Disco, and even then she had a fabulous voice and they had such presence. I know tonnes of the audience left as fans, especially as they hung out with the audience. Doesn't surprise me they got a good deal, absolutely not industry plants. I think Wet Leg doing so well has helped them and their style though.
youre telling me I couldve seen walt disco and the last dinner party at one gig! cannot believe i missed this
Saw them tonight opening for First Aid Kit. One of the greatest joys in life is an opening band that's as good, or better, than the band you've gone to see. TLDP had some of the best stage presence I've seen in ages. People are always suspicious of anyone that good, that talented and that attractive. Especially if it's women. The world is one step forward two steps back.
The Carpenters were accused of writing songs that people liked, what a fucking crime.
Theyre not industry plants, emilys my friend, she used to be the guitarist of my old band, we stopped gigging when lockdown came and thats around the time she met the girls from last dinner party, they formed like that not by some industry plant rubbish, they deserve more credit theyre outstandingly talented
their first single is signed to universal and they were on tour lineups with only two singles out, stfu with that nonsense
@@INAUsounds Getting signed before releasing music doesnt mean you are an industry plant, thats quite normal??? They had been playing the songs live since way before they were released. Songs arent made the second they are published, they existed before. They probably just played small venues, got noticed, got signed and then ofc the label is gonna market them by helping them tour.
I definitely see the ABBA and Kate comparisons. There's such a nostalgic vibe.
The Industry Plant complaint is so hilarious. Like every band is morally obliged to struggle undiscovered and unsigned until they break up in a cloud of substance abuse and tabloid headlines, instead of actually, you know, succeeding.
And yes, it is definitely because they're female. Because in the eyes of certain people, there's no way attractive young women can actually be good at anything.
The Runaways, Rasputina, and Dresden Dolls mashed in there too
Abba & Kate? They didn't have lyrics like "I will f*** you". They knew how to write.
A ludicrous, pandering comparison for what is mid indie music.
@@MissJensk1 different times. Different genres. Back in those days, swearing in music was a great way to ensure failure, because it meant no radio airplay.
Nowadays, you're more free to do what you want in music. Not that I think ABBA would ever, but Kate actually has sworn in a song, and probably would do it more if she were getting her start today.
@@FuuuckOffff pandering comes with a bribe paycheck. I ain't seen mine yet, so hold your horses.
They're defo legit. Saw them in Birmingham last week. Genuine goosebumps in places. If there's any justice in the world they'll be huge.
The Hare and Hounds? You weren't the only one with goosebumps - and the same hopes for them.
I tried to get tickets to this and they sold out so fast! There's a buzz about them that you don't see often
I first saw them over a year ago on the criminally small UA-cam channel of Lou Smith. He's a filmmaker from South London that posts all of these amazing live rock shows from really small venues in his area for the last 5+ years. I originally stumbled across his channel seeing a Black Country, New Road show with a handful of views from a tiny venue, but impeccably shot for a live set. I started exploring the rest of his videos and the other acts, most of which I'd never hear of again since I'm halfway across the world and many of these are live shows with less than 50 to 100 people in the audience. That's where I first saw The Last Dinner Party well over a year ago, when they were just The Dinner Party. I think the first show I watched had to have less than 50 people there. Industry plants aren't playing shows to 50 people night after night in tiny dive clubs to cut their teeth.
You could tell then they had something special. Not sure if it is all completely organic, but it doesn't seem like this great band was handed anything. You could hear the changes made to songs over subsequent shows, them playing new material early on in a song's incarnation, and still getting a feel for all of it. Just like any other band. I can only find 2 major differences of why this band is getting these accusations and nonsense thrown their way: 1. they are all beautiful, talented, amazing women and a great deal of people are intimidated by that, which is a real shame and 2. that they are loads better than almost any other new band I've heard in quite a while in all the ways that matter. They have stage presence, you can tell they are having fun, they interact with the audience, they have amazing talent, and they've found the right formula to focus all of those things to make really compelling earworms that are hard to take off repeat. It just seems like jealousy and some very insecure men/boys that are generating this baseless chatter. At the end of the day they are making amazing music and looking like they are having fun doing it, what's not to love?
Lou Smith's channel is awesome, I similarly found it recently and have become obsessed.
@@Bopflix YES! He deserves all the respect and views possible. He really manages to document so much of a scene that someone like me, from down south in the US, would never get the opportunity to see and hear.
He manages to do amazing work behind the camera and with the audio, which are both so very, very difficult in trying to capture live performances of smaller acts in even smaller venues. It is so rare that one of his videos doesn't look and sound so good that you don't even think about it. The problems of filming live shows just melt away and you just get to enjoy the performance. He has a real skill and it shows.
I wish we could clone him and send a Lou Smith to every major city with a thriving scene around the globe. Lou is just doing something that could be easy to overlook in terms of cultural importance. He's capturing a finite time that won't exist again.
Imagine having a Lou Smith in New York in the late 70's, Seattle at the very end of the 80's and early 90's, Paris in early 2000's. He's capturing the real zeitgeist of the current British indie scene and I just can't believe more people haven't caught on and found his channel.
@@jeremysmith4620 yes! That scene is like the Blitz or Hacienda, awesome he is there. I’ve been speaking to him on email and I’ve set up some projects with some of the bands I’ve discovered through him.
@@Bopflix That's awesome! I just subbed to you to check out your work
Lou's channel is one of the best things on here! I also found TLDP through there. His work is amazing and needs to be celebrated.
I'm glad you said "is it because they're female" ! I thought that from the start of your video. I was served this song when it was going viral a couple months ago and it really inspired me. Immediate fan, looked up their live videos, IG etc. That's what happens when a song is really gripping and presented in a refreshing & thoughtful way. They're talented, write bangers, are artistically saying something and are HOTT .....can't help but think if they were less attractive and/or just stood in front of a camera singing then they wouldn't be getting so much flack!
I saw them supporting Florence and the Machine in Cork a few weeks ago. Thought they were amazing - I get the Sparks/Abba/Florence/Kate influences, but that's not a bad thing (I was there to see Florence after all, and had just seen Sparks at Glastonbury). Annoyed at myself for missing them at Glastonbury, but booked to see them on their own tour, in Glasgow, in October. I'm glad I heard them before I heard all the negative press. Love them!
I just saw them live in Austin. They were insanely good. I could’ve watched them for another hour. Amazing band
They’re such an amazing and exciting new band. Just played a sold out tour, i was lucky enough to get put on the guestlist to go and see them in Manchester and it was an amazing night. Got to meet them all and they were lovely. Can’t wait to see them again in October
This band is incredible! I cannot wait to hear their album!
Just saw you with The Darkness live! Thanks for the great show mate and keep on diving into the music industry on this channel, always interesting!
Just watched them Yesterday at the Green Man Festival. They were captivating, Stage Presence and a half and sounded AMAZING live, so much better than the studio version imo. NEW FAN RIGHT HERE ✋️
Never heard of them before. Not my usual thing but DAMN, the technical ability for such a young and new band. Will DEFINATELY be checking them out.
Talented ladies! Love the song and the video.
They're fantastic. Saw them live last week, they really are the real deal. Could and should go a long way. 🖤
If I were a record label I'd give an arm and a leg to sign them after releasing Nothing Matters, the greatest debut single released in maybe the last ten years.
agreed
You sound like a fkn paid shill 😂
Agree
@8:41 Yes!!! I was just about to comment on how glorious that Art Deco house is, then you beat me to it! ❤️🔥
Literally came across them through the YT algorithm looking for new music. I got so into them that i even had to look up their small venue live shows. They definitely legit. If they were industry i feel like they would have more of a candy pop sound.
i didn't know there was anything bad coming out about them, i think there glorious and exactly the type of music i love
Have been playing this over and over, for a long time. I don’t care where they came from, Nothing Matters captivated me, it’s stunning. I’m always on the hunt for new music, being 42 and chronically stuck in the 90s and too aware of it. Like Wet Leg, they do have a timeless sound, I’m in love. Oh and those drums kicking in after the bridge and guitar solo… divine…
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Dear mr. Hawkins. You have become my main source of discovering new bands. Thank you so much! This is awesome stuff
I love them so much. I first saw them on YT where someone had taped a concert they gave. I don't care who they are related to or if they are industry plants, they really play the instruments and they sound amazing live, they have the skills.
Nice catch on the drums. They're doing some cool stuff with the bass/snare combos and the way the hi hats tie it together is all feel.
I think they're great. Talented, great songwriting, tight, look great live, great shows, what else do you need...❤
I was introduced to this song recently and I was blown away. I haven't heard anything so sophisticated in the mainstream in yonks. Adored it.
I got into The Last Dinner Party about the same time you uploaded this review, when the "up next" algorithm offered me "Sinner" on the back of "The Girl Is Crying In Her Latte"; and, yeah, I heard Russel Mael's vocal style straight away. From there, I immediately sought out "Nothing Matters" and all the live videos various folk have posted. Then the available material dried up for weeks: but, happily, they played Green Man the other week, so now I'm about to embark on the the videos folk have posted of that.
On the other hand, I confess I've been avoiding watching this review because of the title. I had a nagging fear you might be one of the very folk putting that nonsense about. I should have had more faith in you :D. Just watched this and was delighted to hear you scotch that guff. Duly subscribed.
I really like this song, and appreciate it even more now after your breakdown of it. Great work sir 👍
Amazing band!!! Everything about them!!! >Cant wait for the album!!!!
Hey Justin, another great vid from down here in Bournemouth 👍
I couldn’t agree with you more. I truly enjoyed this and found it to be enchanting. ❤️
started following the last dinner party about 4 months ago. love them.
Nice! Thanks to you, I looked up the difference between a bridge and a mid-8.
the fact that the phrase ‘industry plant’ is thrown at a lot of all female or female fronted bands is so frustrating. i feel like we’ve come so far in some ways and are going so backwards in others when it comes to sexism with the music industry.
I liked very much the song, and your final advice is the best ever..."enjoy the music for the music itself"
I guess that women in music industry are always put on doubt by different things... Women have continually to prove that they are good musicians, if they play guitar, if they write songs, if they have success by her own merits...everything always reduce to superficial elements like if they dance, if they are gorgeous, if their boyfriend split with them... Did someone criticize you when you wrote songs about your feeling in "Easter is Cancelled"?
In other hand, there are a kind of prejudice about hits. When a song comes with great success...in my opinion it is only because it reaches to a lot of people so is a good song... (Well not always, that's right)
But not every hit must to be artificial.
I’m glad you’ve got a new camera. The going in and out of focus thing on some of your previous videos spoiled the content but now is really good! Looking forward to your multiple capos intro coming soon! 👍🎸🎤🕺😎
Fresh, young talent! This review made us fans and we are seeing them in Philly in November!
(We also saw THE DARKNESS in Philly…I don’t think anything can compare to that show! Congrats!)
Justin, my name is Matt, and I hail from the disturbing Houston, of Texas. I liked The Darkness back when, but through this podcast, I have an entirely new appreciation of not only The Darkness, but of you as a human being. Your voice soothes a tortured mind, giving windows through which one could grab onto any ledge before falling down all together. It may sound mundane to some, but this podcast deeply brightens my mind and day, and every day on my 45 min commute to and 45 fro work. Your personality and mind are as complicated as 2 jazz records being played simultaneously, but has the clarity of a 90's Slash solo. You save me, brother. Thank you. Thank you for the utterly brilliant music, insight into our industry, and your ever present levity. Cheers, as you would say, or "Nice One, Innit." I think The Darkness are going to be huge again, but the US may finally accept you for what you guys are...FUCKING ROCK AND ROLL!!!!
Totally agree with so much of what you’ve said. Absolutely.
So great to read stuff like this man! Yes this is the main purpose of music to save lives and light up the darkness! Haha Darkness can light up the darkness 💥 p.s it is big when we belive its big, the magic exists when we believe! So let's belive in music again!!!!!
Agreed!! Maybe it’s because we’re American though. And crave an actual genuine human thought process 🤷🏻♀️ lol
Very glad to hear music that makes my ears happy. I agree. Nirvana had a different sound that radio did not normally play. And thank goodness for that.
How come Justin always talks about music that is also in my taste? ❤ How is this possible? 😊
I'm in love with the bass tone on this song. It gives it an almost gothic vibe.
Thanks for turning me on to this group sir!
Thank u for talking about this
Great vid as always! I will give the last dinner party a really good listen after hearing your analysis 💪🤘
Well said Justin. Six months later they've won loads of awards and we have learnt just how good they are.
There are so many influences but together make them stand out alone.
I totally agree they are very good on the ear , so all I can comment too them is keep up the good work.
Saw them at Latitude Festival last month, made a point of getting to the very front and wasn’t disappointed. Amazing live band, great stage presence, amazing songs - they deserve all the success in the World!
Wet Leg and these guys are the first bands in years to spark my excitement in new music. Keep it up girls!
Love this band, you always have the best pics of new talent lots of love xx
This is one of the many reasons I like this channel, I never would have heard this song if not for you, and it's great.
Without MTV or Rock n Roll stations (non classic rock), I truly appreciate how your channel introduces new Rock.
True, not applicable here tho, because this is pure pop. Still a fun song tho.
This is retro pop rock and would totally be played on a late night MTv programme.
Truth (re: as far as this track is concerned, a lil poppy for sure). I guess my thoughts are about the channel in general. For a guy who started playing guitar in the late 80’s my rock expectations have been underserved for the better part of 20 years with few exceptions.
Glad you like them. I've not listened to them much but my nephew has been guitar tech'ing for them so they must be good
100% legit. There are loads of videos of them playing gigs in London as an unsigned band, they are all over you tube, Lou Smith's channel in particular. Accusations are ridiculous, probably only because they are girls as well, they are so good with their instruments they got signed by a major label, big deal. They ain't plants, not at all, just fucking technically amazing at music.
Thank you Justin for turning me onto this band. They're fantastic and from reading a few articles and comments on their vids, they built a following the best & 'realest' way - by putting on great shows, much like The Darkness. Hope they tour Canada soon.
From this video, I actually went and checked out their live performances. There seems to be videos of their early gigs when they were still called The Dinner Party and they seem to have paid their dues. From short 18 minute sets building up to around 45 mins, you also see them fine tuning, altering their perfomance little by little. I'd say they aren't really plants but just caught a really good break and was pushed by their label pretty hard to get the recognition and gigs they have now. Curious to hear how the produced versions of some of the songs they played live sound.
Would love to hear your take on The Beths! Maybe "Knees Deep" or "Expert in a Dying Field"
And Screaming Females
Nice review - and BANG right! ❤
First time seeing this channel. Love seeing people with Grados. The best in the business
saw them in birmingham and they were absolutely brilliant and captivating cannot fathom how they are getting any criticisms they are legit
Heard this song first time on the radio today and could not believe my ears when there was a guitar solo... And it was excellent!
Really enjoyed your take on this after the click-baity title hooked me in 😀
I think they’re great, the latest single is even better! I’m looking forward to seeing where they go!
I so appreciate your thoughtful breakdown and refreshing positivity. I agree with you this band is great!!
Justin I don't always agree with you but I think you hit the nail on the head at the end.
Great review Justin 👏
I can see the Sparks comparison and that is not a bad thing
I see (and hear!) some wildly talented and successful women and I love the fire they bring to the industry 💪🔥🎶
It reminds me very much of ABBA 'The Day Before You Came'. Justins bath time was both IBIATCL videos!
I am with you on this they are Kinda great I think! I’m nobody though, but a music fan, I think that for the sake of the longevity of the music maybe avoid signing with anyone until they can find someone who will really get behind them idk anything about the industry but what I’ve read/heard. Who gives an actual f who they are related to where they came from honestly! They know what they’re doing I feel! Love the song love the name love everything lol
They rock. Happy to listen to you talk about them.
Saw them supporting Florence and the machine in Cork in June :) Pretty good
Looking forward to see you in Tønsberg tomorrow, Justin. 🤘
I find it sad how I've only ever seen female artists labeled as industry plants. There may be some male "industry plants" that I haven't heard of, but I am confident when I say that those accused of being industry plants are mostly female. Some very talented woman, such as Billie Eilish, Halsey, Phoebe Bridgers, Clairo have all been accused of being industry plants, despite these claims being baseless. People seem to automatically assume that when woman in music, or any career path really, have immediate success, there is something sinister about it. I feel The Last Dinner Party is very talented, and deserve the praise they get.
Kate Bush - love
Sparks - love
Florence and the Machine -
Arcade Fire - love
I spit my tea everywhere
That passage was amazing
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But they didn't sound anything like Love.
Justin, I love that you've introduced me to some brilliant music. Seeing The Chats in November cause of you.
My only minor criticism about your videos is you stop the video too often, I'd love you to play the whole uninterrupted video at the end. Just to get the full feel, other than that keep riding.
Cheers
I wholeheartedly agree Justin, they are truly great, I wanna hear more
Another London band Picture parlour accused of being industry plants . Do those as well . They released a fantastic debut single “Norwegian wood “ they will support the last dinner party on their tour this fall as well .
Reporting back to confirm the whole album is great! 🤩🥳❤️🔥
Oh yeah, that song. I watched the video some time ago. Amazing work. Made me think about the artist m83.
as an end consumer, I dont care about the background of the artists if the song is good and I like it, thats all i care. i can find issues with anyone if I dig deep into their history. I just want to vibe and enjoy it. This is a great song and if they got help, great! Keep making awesome music.
100% agree! And the fact you like tobias forge (ghost),and his Co writing means your OK with me fella!
Nearly 20 years later, I still hoot with laughter when I hear you screaming "BELL'S END" on "that" Christmas song.
Definitely my new favourite band.... Going to their gig and to yours in Leeds
I had this on in the background and didn’t hear you mention ABBA at first-yeah, it totally screams ABBA between the tempo of the lyrics and the ways she’s clipping her voice as she sings and even the astral/dreamy sound quality of the harmonies framing her more nasal vocal line. Doesn’t ABBA have an epic following and yet has always had some strong detractors despite how tight their songwriting is? Even the writing on the musical chess-they are exceptional beyond the disco vibes if one doesn’t go for that
Knew nothing about these guys until I saw them at End of the Road Fest last week. They absolutely killed it, they are legit musicians.
"If this is what it means to be an industry plant, I think the industry should keep on planting stuff" Yeah!
Nice honest review Justin. I got the Sparks flavors straight away and also Abba. They are also reported to be influenced by Bowie though I don't quite hear that in the music but maybe in the darkness of some of the lyrics. Though I believe I could teach em a thing or two regarding that department. :) Top band though. Sad that there's a but of jealousy toward the bad but also reassuring.
Justin, if you keep going up the capo, you'll run out of fret!😅
The outro on 1st is neat 🥰
I don't understand anything about playing guitar... (In spite i have one and i bet to learn to play by sevillanas for the next Fair of April...i will lost of course!)... But the tune of the final was beautiful.
They've just started getting big air play on my fav radio station here in Toronto and their first concert has just been announced. (Got tix, so very excited!) Having seen their recent performance on Graham Norton, I can't see the industry having the courage to plant a band like this. Growing up, I had a lot of older music enthusiasts around me who influenced my musical tastes. So when I watch TLDP, I see T-Rex, Roxy Music, tons of glam rock influences, even a splash of early 90s Britpop. These women are too talented, smart, clever to be mere industry plants.
Sticking to the point...though this song is a bit soft for me (instrumentally speaking), I appreciate them as they increase the number of all female bands (not only the ones with a singer)👍
They've been playing this on triple j down here in Australia. I loved it from the get-go. Great track.