I feel neither over- or under-, just whelmed. I liked that they had a lot more running around to different places to talk to different characters, and the lead up to the penultimate instance felt pretty well paced to me. I definitely felt the same way that the tunnel part was confusing and strangely paced. It felt like this short story was meant to give us a lot more on Yao and Chul-Moo, but I honestly just don't find either of them interesting at all so it kind of fell flat for me. All the other characters didn't have any meaningful advancement, it was just a continuation of plot points already set in motion at the end of EoD with the various romances. One thing I've started to really dislike in the writing-and I feel like this was an issue in EoD, too-is there are far too many times when I feel like I can hear the writer talking to me about what they personally feel, rather than hearing a caste of characters with strong and differing opinions talk about an issue from multiple angles. I think this is the same thing you've been talking about with the 1st world therapy talk. I was a little dumbfounded at how fast this whole story started and then wrapped up. The demon never even got a name or a personality of any kind, and it just kind of appeared and then got killed right away. Maybe it will lead to something else, which would make me feel better about it, but I really struggle to feel much of anything about this storyline. It also really makes me sad to think this might be the end of Canthan content. Where was the Raisu Palace stuff? What are Tetra and the purists up to? What's the fallout of the energy crisis? I know that last one was kind of covered in this story, but it seemed like basically nothing happened at all yet. There are so many other things that are much more interesting to me than what they went with on this one and I hope whatever's next is more interesting.
I'm fine the demon didn't have a name or personality, actually. I'm still mad they made the void talk like a comicbook villain in EoD rather than just being an unsentient force that is uncompatible with life. Sometimes the villain can just be a nameless beast that's harming you because it's in its nature, no other motivation needed. I do agree with the rest though.
The story between last patch and this felt underwhelming. Like it started off very interesting, but the way it was capped off? "Well the haze is here, not sure why, but I learned if you use good memories you can beat it!" I really hope this is not indicative of the quality to expect with their new content cycle...
im seconding this. Im really really hoping it's because they are just so jam packed with the back end shit like switching out code, reworking combat, etc etc etc all that other shit they mentioned, that they gave us such a light "expansion".
I may be sounding like a broken record, but I am pretty sure that what we have here are the leftovers of what was going to be the next living season. However, Anet went through the studio/direction change that was explained a few months ago and the project was scrapped as development on the next Expac started. In good faith, they at least decided to finish what they had and staple it on to the end of EoD for free. In their last post, they already said they’re done the first quarter release of the next Expac and are already on the second. With a release date of this Summer, I highly doubt these two patches are anything more than freebies, since that’s what they are. This release doesn’t make sense any other way.
We beat the Endboss with the power off love and friendship. Absolute crap. Huge missed Potential with kanaxai not beeing there. Startet off strong with the oni but this was certainly not worth the wait. The Best Thing about this was the books and braham not beeing in it.
So we need to explore our trauma that generates large sums of emotion to lure the demon. Okay interesting we have been trough a lot. But Cinder is a option!? Cinder, a character that WP, a lore enthusiast, has to wiki!? Not only that, we do this with Chui-Moo!? A character that has no relation with Cinder at all!? This all falls so flat. I cannot help but feel very dissappointed with how Cantha is handled. We had a succesfull launch of the expansion and then a year of nothing sprinkled with 10 year old LW season 1 content that took all of the winds out of the xpacs sails. Then after such a long time, we get a update for Cantha that in the end feels like very weak filler...
Some of the choices for character deaths to revisit really are quite odd. Cinder? Lol come on. And it could just be me being salty, but the repeated opportunities to makes us feel bad for Trin are a little odd as well lol. Vlast as a choice was pretty iffy to me as well. As the player, yeah I'm sad we didn't get to spend more time with the character, but for the Commander, they only met Vlast right when he died. As a sacrifice, surely our order mentors would have been 1000x more traumatizing if that's the kind of emotion we were supposed to be drawing out of our characters here. Unfortunately it kinda seems like Anet didn't want to give us any choices for character deaths pre-PoF, really
@@WAFFLEMAN38 The only thing I might give with Vlast is that the Commander was trying to save Vlast and ended up being effectively responsable for Vlast dying since Vlast died protecting the Commander. Considering their connection to Aurene I could see that as being traumatic but since it wasn't really something touched on at the time it didn't really hit home. Some strange choices over all never the less.
Ever since Drizzlewood coast it just feels like Interns shitting on a Rembrandt at Arenanet. What an absolute letdown these two patches were. Zero hope for their new business model based on the quality and cadence of the last two years.
The "expansion" to the map was pitiful, I was expecting a double in size like we got with Icebrood. And there's a streak of fog still in the middle of the map!! They couldnt even be assed to make enough art not to leave a streak of paint going through the unfogged new areas
@@storklebeam7121 Saying otherwise would oust me as someone who unhealthily snarfs GW2 news, but at least in game they moved the name of map to reflect its actual size and map-clippers found the tunnel shortly after the first patch.
If this is the direction they're going in the next expansion, and they're sticking with the naming convention, perhaps these would be good titles: Boredom of Wokeness, Lack of Gameplay, Death of Interest
Have to say, I enjoyed watching this video. It was pleasant to listen to someone actually enjoying the content and not being pessimistic about everything about it!
WP mentioned how cool it would be if choosing to recall memories about different people would take you to different expansion maps and then coincidently chose the two of the four options that DONT take you to PoF or HoT, but core Tyria instead.
To be fair Blish is fondly remembered by the community and then Cinder probably got chosen because no one recognized her. I also was expecting an option to continue recalling memories rather than being forced to stop.
This is the first patch in GW2's history that I didn't log in on day 1 (or as close as I could) to play. The last patch was really uninspiring to me, and I just felt like I was playing it due to the sunk cost fallacy. This one I just watched your stream instead, and tbh I've no interest in playing this patch at all. On the plus side, I think the ending wasn't a cliff-hanger for the very reason you said doing smaller xpacs is a good idea: its a fresh start. The next story will be a standalone thing in a new part of the world. The commander is refreshed, the story is refreshed, no lingering plot threads, no annoying ties to past storylines, and hopefully everything will work out in the future. I'll probably check out the summer patch. If its bad, I think my GW2 journey is at an end, lol. I'll probably still watch your vods on the game, though, for as long as they continue.
There were isolated moments I enjoyed over both patches. The use of old maps was nice. I enjoy that they are trying harder to show us the friendship between the commander and NPCs, which always felt lacking in the past (even if the attempt is way too heavy handed at times). I liked the levity the red duck tea house instances provided too. The pacing was all over the place, though. It was especially egregious in the tunnel instance. Absolutely no urgency to something that was clearly meant to be urgent. Characters are calmly chatting and Taimi is flirting with Gorrik lol. The final battle was a joke. I don’t need it to be hard but I was never in any danger of being hit by an attack standing right next to the boss. Might as well have been a cutscene. I am fairly underwhelmed. I got bored pretty quickly. Plus, I don’t see how these make sense as new chapters being added to EoDs in the story journal as it really has nothing to do with anything set up in the expansion…
Hey WP, I would love to see a continuation of your GW2 Master streams. I no longer play the game, but I remember watching your streams made me feel like a part of me was still involved in GW2!
30:00 Disagree! I think these logs are way worse than the Bangar conversations. That Bangar dialogue was him reflecting on his actions, challenging the commander, with Jormag using him to win over Aurene (before all the story went to shit in Champions). The logs try to explain the dangers of the haze, then introduce a possible solution, then end with a solution for the problem! Consider that we had one patch to get to experience the haze, and in between the first and the second patch, the Asura Big Brains have already created a device that'll solve it for us! The only decent thing the logs did was the backstory of Yao and Chul-Moo, even though I disagree with how the characters handle the newly gotten info (i.e. not telling Yao), but at least their motivations for doing so make sense. 40:50 Agree! Very well-written back and forth between commander and Yao. You say that it might just fit with your own feelings on Mai Trin, but I think it's important to acknowledge both sides of her without excusing her actions, which allows for the commander to struggle with Mai without commiting one way or another (that can still be up to the player). The responses from the characters who are with you seem to be written to reflect themselves as well. Yao talks about Mai trying to be more acceptable to herself instead of 'a bunch of pirates', Chul-Moo about the difficulties of leading a group and people getting hurt as a part of your responsibility. 2:28:00 I also picked Canach for the same reasons and was not disappointed. A very fun instance. Lastly, you mentioned that you couldn't quite follow the story of Chul-Moo and Yao. You might've missed or forgotten it (and by now you'd probably know but w/e), but it was mentioned in Gorrik's research logs: Chul-Moo's crew went crazy and he accidentally killed someone. Gorrik decides not to tell Yao, so they only find out in the tunnel when you all see the vision of Chul-Moo pushing her off. Overall the story still suffers from not enought time for anything with too many unresolved shit of which I have no trust they'll pick it back up.
Had to laugh when even WP didn't know who Cinder was... I don't really know why she was included. They several other better characters they could have chosen.
Hah re not recognizing Cinder, not surprised. I remember wishing WP did more coverage of ice brood saga. The thing that stuck out most to me was, as a charr, some members of your warband (and they were different for Ash/Blood/Iron, 2 each I think?) ended up as one of the 12 bosses in that mid south to north transition event sequence. Playing as charr made me feel so shit for leaving my warband. I was hyped for WP to get to them, read their journals, and talk about it, but don't think you ever did WP, maybe just mentioned it in passing. Also I had a chance to play Icebrood Saga as Iron Legion charr and that was great, because Smodur has unique dialogue for you. He treats you as his subordinate but is very nice to you and talks to you in quite a cool way. Makes the whole thing feel quite deep/conflicting on an emotional level, considering his behaviour overall. I like Cinder being here, I do remember feeling very bad for her. Ryland seemed to have led his entire warband to death by our hand, him chasing power as Jormag's Lieutenant. Ryland Ryland, shaking my head. Members of that warband were great, feels bad killing them once you chat with them in the steel strike and follow their stories with collections.
I think they're doubling down on making their story mainly about characters and drama more than anything else. Gorrik saying "Case closed!" I think rather refers to the crisis at Gyala Delve rather than the whole demon storyline. The footsteps achievements might also give some lore about Cinder Steeltemper perhaps?
yep, did all of the footsteps collections and they do help to flesh out the characters a fair bit, especially the conversation you can have with the warband at the end of ForgedSteel
I'm pleasantly surprised that you've enjoyed this patch as much as you did, given some of your previous comments. I was hoping for some more myself, but I did enjoy it decently enough. I suppose thus is a clean break and a fully fresh start.
Fun fact, there's new (as far as I know) music during the skiff race adventure! It sounds to me like if there was a pirate song in a Trine game. I really liked it. It doesn't sound Canthan/Asian at all though, which was odd.
I might be wrong but i think that song existed already in the labyrinthine cliffs, it's probably reused from the first skiff race ever, which happened there.
@@gewreid5946 Yeah I didn't know about that skiff race before it was mentioned in the stream he did with Boots. I didn't really play the last festival there so I wasn't aware of it.
My possible explanation for why this didn't set up anything coming in the expac would be: EoD was supposed to end the big dragon story, so they want a clean break between that and the next thing. If this does too much setting up of what's to come, then any new people coming into the next story will still have that overhanging "oh well you need to play the previous expansion to get all the context for how this started". It's been a fairly consistent "problem" for most of the game's lifetime. To understand where S4 started you need to play PoF, to understand how PoF started you need to play S3. To understand how S3 started you need to play HoT > S2 > S1. IBS was a kind of clean break, but EoD really relies quite a bit on past events. It's always going to be a "problem" to some extent though if we're going to have continuity of the game, but I could see why they might try to alleviate it to the extent that they can to transition out of the Elder Dragon story at the moment.
as a max height norn, i can confirm the dialog where you get into Scruffy changes to something like: "How's the fit?" "It's... tight. My knees are in my throat!" lol
It really felt like a very shallow patch. Once again they have Taimi doing a (i'm tired of calling it this), a deus X machina again to build a machine that instantly solves the demon problem. We could've had so more more from them, and interesting lore, but it was just thrown aside so they could quickly wrap up this story and move on. It felt exhausting to go through this, a therapy patch for the commander. I never felt like this was a real threat for us, and at this point I honestly wish they'd skipped these last two patches and just worked on their next story, but if this was any indication of what's to come, I can't say I'm excited.
This was....I cant even begin to describe WTF this was. We win with the power of positive thinking and affirmations. What the actual f@#$? Fire the writing staff and start fresh with people that can tell an actual F'ing story.
Honestly I'm tired of these stories that make every one of my toons the center of the universe, as well as every single other player that I interact with. It totally takes away from the idea that we're just individuals in a world. I honestly hope they change that in the future.
46:50 I played civ 6 pretty hardcore when it launched and England, along with Rome and Japan (and later Indonesia/Korea in the DLCs/expansions) were probably my most played civs back then so I have fond memories of staying up *WAY* too late playing the game with that theme (and the other civs) playing. The soundtrack is stellar, and contrary to what someone in chat said, the vast majority of it was composed by Geoff Knorr - christopher tin only did the opening theme (which itself was also amazing). What Knorr did was take what was considered the music representative of that civ - all the pieces were traditional (or as close as it could be) pieces from that civ and he made different era versions of it, with more modern instruments as your civ's technology advanced. It was excellent. Pity the game's balance when out of whack when Firaxis made the season pass with overpowered civs. Still gonna play civ 7 when they release it though.
i really dont know how this is how we cap the era of EoD, all of the interesting plot points were glossed over or completley left out (the only mention of Li was that weird middle school bullying remark) but hopefully they can do a purity revolt where they try to release him and do the raisu palace mystery together once we get a follow up with empress ihn.
The dialogue before we eavesdrop on our power asura couple Taimi- "So we're agreed that the situation with the Commander and Canach dancing around each other is ridiculous" Gorrik- "Yes, but they both refuse to acknowledge it" Taimi- "Well let's force them on a double date but pretend that it's optional by coming up with completely ridiculous alternatives, like Ayumi" Gorrik- "Such a good idea, she's very nice"....
These 2 episodes just pushed me away from the game, extremely underwhelming, the story is dumb, the only thing they did was to add fetch quests and using the power of emotions... ffs 😅
I think it's not bad if we have this kind of more personal history from time to time but as if to serve as relief after an epic battle. But that is the problem the epicness. You can see on a old game as LOTRO how they manage epic batlles like the "batlle of pelennor fields" on UA-cam. I feel that at the beginning they tried to achieve this epicness, especially in the "personal story" and perhaps because they did not know how to achieve it, there were errors such as the battle against zhaitan but after this they began with the cast that we already know and there the spectrum was reduced even so, I think the next expansion will be better received and to be honest I don't dislike this story either, but I still believe that a little more of "charr style" would not hurt the game.
Feels kind of bad if the whole gyala map was some sort of filler episode about friendship with characters I dont care for. I hope we get a long cohesive story and this demon theme will continue to play a role in the future. Am a bit worried about the mini expansions. Maybe I'm just used to the key theme (Elder Dragons) since GW Eye of the North.
I never felt quite satisfyied with the length and cohesiveness of story we got in the three "full sized" expansion, i doubt it will start with the "mini" ones.
The worst part to me is that THIS is what they came up with after a year of pretty much nothing. My general cynicism about the game has become more of indifference. While I didn't expect EoD to be good, I at least hoped it would and played it. But for the next expac? I don't really care. I am in this weird Limbo right now in wich I WANT to care, because of all my time with the franchise, but I fear it has grown too distant for me. Props to everyone enjoying it, but unless something does change soon, I feel like slowly getting to the point of not only taking a break from the game, but quitting it all together. I know, not the first nor the last stranger on the internet to say those words. But something feels different now. My stock of hopium and copium has been pretty much depleted.
This feels like it was supposed to be a larger living world storyline but during the studio changes and their decision to restructure content and work on the next expac….it feels like this patch was the TL;DR of what was suppose to be multiple living worlds and they decided to just wrap it up and finish it early.
- Wow that patch name -.- - Yeah the Cantha armor sets aren't that interesting. I dressed my character up with full sets of armor, and I've found that launch armor (excluding dungeons) and PoF have the most interesting ones (as I like them of course). The warbeast and funeral set are amazing for me. But the Canthan ones? Meh. - I've heard that it's because the Chinese players are not happy with how Anet mixed Chinese elements with other countries' elements (specifically Korean). Isn't that also the reason why the Canthan quarter of Divinity's Reach was collapsed? - Oh dear, exploring emotions XD That sounds majorly like some kind of psychological therapy. - I think the commander did saw Ankka killing Mai Trin. Gorrik and Marjory saw it too. When we're escaping the reactor and they throw us into that cut-scene, we are in a see-through glass tube right above the reactor control room where Ankka killed Mai Trin. And when the cut-scene ended, Gorrik remarked on how Ankka killed Mai Trin and vowed to take revenge, which suggested that we did see the scene as the commander through the glass. - Wow Lys sounds so vicious there! But I agree with you on that, I don't like the forced moral either. - Hmm Cinder is an interesting choice. It's true that you can get more info on Cinder if you did the "following the footsteps" achievements, but so do the other members of the Steel Warband. I wonder why didn't they pick Ryland if they're only going for something Charr related. - It's so weird hearing Chul-Moo talking about Smodur and Cinder and Charr stuff. - Yeah those are old lines. Blish did say "come back for me" when we were escaping the mist, but as soon as we left his view, he used his communicator and told us that he lied. Basically the tracker he was setting up had lost its power, so Blish had to shut down the functions of his golem body to provide the tracker with infinite power. So I doubt that line was Anet reminding us of anything, but who knows? - Now I'm really interested in what the Vlast option will make us do! Because we collected crystals of him in the PoF story, so whatever more we can get really interest me. - Wow I actually forget about Aurene dying in S4 too lmao I actually laughed out loud when I saw someone in chat typed "Aurene literally died". - I haven't seen that magnifying glass icon above those crates before! - Isn't that NPC in Arborstone the same one who we helped collected the Kurzick tapestry, and later found that she is a member of House zu Heltzer? - Oh dear who is that shadow? Is it Ignite Mossheart? Is it some speaker member? Wooooooo! - Rama's voice acting is really funny lol - So Rama's seeing Ministet Li and heard that he was talking ill of Captain Min? - I think the women Chul-Moo thought he was talking to was the one he mentioned in Gorrik's record you heard last stream. In one of those records, you hear that Chul-Moo fought a crazed female member of the Jade Brotherhood. They fought to the edge of a digging hole, and the crazed women tried to attack Chul-Moo, but Chul-Moo evaded, and she fell into the hole. - Yeah I thought it was weird that it was so quiet when we were in this intense chase and battle sequence, and it turns out that the music was muted lol - Well the final boss uses the attack animations of the Echo of Scarlet in the Aetherblade Hideout Strike Mission, so... - I guess it's all dead people because those were the ghost that haunt us in the previous patch. - lol They used Rama to voice that line in game: "Did we really just use positive memories to defeat the demon?" Good question Rama, good question. - Wow hahaha that was funny as all hell lmao the dating thing. Those fan-fiction writers are gonna be crazy over this. - Oh so the Empress Inn visiting DR thing is still a thing! - This ending is so weird. Like we're in this intense battle with a demon, and four story steps later we're on a date with someone and watching a funny scene. It's either good or meh but ok for the scenes themselves, but connect them together and we get this weird chapter.
I thought it was really brave for the patch to deal with emotions the way it did. It’s something that hasn’t been explored in GW2 and it could be received as retrospective or cringe. (Everyone’s MMV) I’m always glad when the story tries to remind us of the personal stakes and repercussions of our actions. I forgive the lackluster combat in the instance because I’m having a blast with the new meta and map. Instanced content is a really small percentage of my gameplay with new patches. I do find it weird that the patch doesn’t seem to connect to the next expansion. I remember the segue to PoE was a random vision in Orr. (“Well, I guess we’re going to Elona, now). But maybe they will tie together somehow. Right now the post-EoD story seems like a televised holiday event between major movie releases in a franchise. And I thought the date was cute.
Story: MICRO great. MACRO meh decent but could be much better. Glad how they managed to use a lot of text based story. Wider story was weak though. Glad they still mention the Empress being in DR.
48:46 The music of the dutch in civ 6 is offensively inappropriate. Its a classical french song and does not use a single traditional instrument in its arrangement
@@WoodenPotatoes Tbh I don't really know why they picked Scarborough fair for the english theme either. Its excellent, but I don't think people think of that tune when thinking of the English. I would have suggested rule Britannia but thats more Britain as a whole rather than the English. The chinese theme is as stereotypically chinese as you'll get though.
14:40 agreed - The GW2 master was a fun series especially the daily griffon race rolls. But i feel when people started donating gemstore things it looked worse than it was. They ignore that youve never asked for stuff over 10 years / stuff went directly to the guild. Your actual solid achievments or grinding for particular items was impressive but this was overshadowed. People forget the offstream stuff funded a lot of this such as your insane amount of PVP matches for gold between streams. Master and AP of the day had some really interesting moments for certain achievments i hadn't go - was nice to see something Anet tried and go "ooo i didn't know about this one". It was one of those, well im doing the content - may aswell stream it for people who might be interested. Seemed like a no brainer to me - providing you could stay on track and people werent distracting you in the usual cycle of debates. Im the same with the Wardrobe Unlocker. I honestly coudln't care less about gemstore stuff. I just like "ticking" things off a list to say ive completed a patch. Even if i never use these skins. Also i still do a casual weekly key farm from level 10 story. Guaranteed unlockers have given me CRAZY good gem store items over the years
@@WoodenPotatoes also cmon Anet we need a collections panel... Regardless of how bloated the UI. Make everything collections. Every time you add set of skins, make a collection. It will make people engage with content even just tick things off. Raid weapons, guild armor, jade punk weapons... All of it. When a patch hits, people can use this UI to find what skins are in each patch. Maybe even attach waypoints or links to achivements that unlock the vendor option. Use the tiered reward system to incentivise you continue, give out materials to create more weapons. New titles or minis based around the weapon sets theme. Endless potential
@@_Banjo_ It's so strange to me they never added a collection for the Istan weapon sets. Guaranteed just adding that with 10 AP per would make a bunch of people who overlooked them pay attention.
I'd like to see your reaction to the Aurene stuff from the bottle your emotions step. It confused me quite a bit to be honest, it seemed to imply a cleaner break with her than I felt from the original EoD storyline.
IMO the broad strokes of this mini-story feel sort of juvenile since it can pretty much be boiled down to "Commander and company (literally) fight their inner demons and resolve them via the power of friendship, positivity and teamwork". My biggest issue I think is with how the boss demon was handled. The idea of someone basically thinking happy thoughts in a highly stressful situation such as dealing with a big bad demon that is set up to be very fearsome to defeat it sounds a little lame, for lack of a better word. They present something that is on paper an honestly terrifying context and handle it like a kid's show would. They handled this in almost the exact same way as they did way back in the final Mordremoth fight, and my issues from there are thus very similar here. With the tonal maturity that the story has built up over time, something does not click. Throughout the story the writers have attempted to resolve the issue of the Commander's baggage several times, and none of them felt particularly nuanced or satisfying. The so-called therapeutic dialogue between the Commander and his/her accompanying characters was certainly a mark up from, say, the Shining Blade instance in S3. I will give credit to the writing team for at least addressing it from such an angle. But like many other aspects of the game's story, this problem is a result of a lack of time given for everything to develop. We are getting the summary in-game, even if the summary is about a topic that should be done in an all-or-nothing manner, because anything in between will not be satisfying. For this reason I feel these story beats that pertain to specifically the Commander's character should be dealt with in side stories rather than "personal story" chapters, where the writers can explore it more freely (and the players more interested in the lower-scale storytelling can choose to explore what is functionally a Commander therapy session if they saw fit). However on the other hand I see the merit in making the decisions they have for these last two patches. Tying up loose ends like the Commander's overall mental state would provide a blank canvas for whatever "the new threat emerging" is to get really dark and gritty if they wanted to go there. If it will be anything like the darkness of the Dragonvoid as a concept, I look forward to what they will explore. I also like that they have taken this time to give depth to characters that were previously somewhat superficial, like Yao and Chul-Moo. Now that they are being given some time to shine, we for a little while get to see characters as actual people rather than what the game initially presented at the launch of EoD, which were ideas of people at best and caricatures at worst. I just wish they did this for people like Minister Li, but alas, no time, gotta keep moving. Overall idk. There are things to like and things to disagree with. Map looks pretty cool.
No amount of dev time is going to make people care about the commander's PTSD arc if the player can't identify with the character. Everyone's like "omigosh are you ok? can you handle it? we're here for you sweetie" meanwhile I couldn't be less immersed in this artifical struggle snuggle session. Feelings I don't have shouldn't be the main plotpoint. They are trying to cash in on something they didn't earn.
@@okbuddykormir Yeah I see what you mean. For the longest time we have been taught by the game to view the Commander as a vessel to project a character onto. Now that they're going back on that, it feels jarring, in part due to the linear style of the story the game has taken on. Linear character-based storytelling in an MMORPG -> lack of input -> lack of connection, not only with our character, but NPCs too. What they are trying to present in the recent story works better in a context where our level of character customisation is around GW1 level: one race, one nationality, just pick how they look and what class they'll play. GW2 gives us a LOT more than that from the start, and seeing it have such little effect in the long run character-wise (how they act and react to events) can take you out too. These last two patches just made it shine a lot more. Even if this problem has existed since launch, we did not feel it as much throughout core Tyria because a lot more things were dialogue-tree heavy. I don't know. Maybe we'll get used to it later. But I don't know what it says about the game's ability to immerse when I and others have had to imagine the Commander as a separate entity from the character we're playing with to experience the story. To be honest, considering this is a filler arc I'm really not surprised that it came out the way that it did. Filler arcs have historically rarely ever been good. If it just wasn't marked as green story in game it may have gone down a lot nicer for a lot of people. Feelings we don't have wouldn't then be integral to developing the main story. Let's hope the next patches are something different.
This would have been pretty funny as an April Fool's prank, but I fear ANet meant it serious. All problems can be solved by positive thinking. Cancer can be cured and villains can be beaten just by having the right attitude. Instead of actually working on goot content most of ANet staff is just channeling positve energy at the remaining few disbelievers who still think that life is hard. To me the last two patches were a massive disappointment and I have very little hope for the upcoming mini expansion(s).
I was pretty disappointed about the lack of set up for the next expac, but it's just another way the GW2 format hamstrings their story. Anything they set up now would not be seen by a new player that comes in with the next expac. It won't include the existing Cantha zones or the two patches we just played, so they can't give to much information in these. Given how short the Main storyline in is EoD, I'm really not sure how they can tell a good story in half the time.. I mean, is it going to end at the middle of the story and we won't see the conclusion till the final map (aka old living world?) Or are they going to tell an entire story in 2 maps? Half the size of EoD? That just... I just cant imagine that not being thin.
I think it's fine just really need to see what the next epack looks like so if that's a decent size or good quality than this these releases would be worth it in my opinion. I think there are for sure ways they could have improved it with either the energy crisis seeming like more of a crisis or touching on Kanaxai but I guess the having a patch where everything isn't super high stakes or end of the world is an okay change of pace. Also when you played the teaser you didn't mention or maybe didn't hear the deep laughter and was so hoping to hear your speculation on who that could be.
What lies within felt underwhelming. The initial setup in the last drop was interesting, demons and some strange void like haze causing nightmares and forcing people to relive their trauma was pretty cool but then it went full Disney with the whole 'positive vibes win the day'. Not to mention it felt like just running errands leading up to one single event and a fight. I first spent 10 minutes listening to Gorrick's research since I hadn't finished the logs, slap a demon once with the tube in scruffy, then get told to go relive some trauma to prepare myself mentally. At first that's not a bad idea, Commander has plenty of trauma in his life. I expected to see Forgal, Eir, Trahearne, Soulkeeper, maybe fight some shade of the innoncents that died in Elona due to Kralk absorbing the god we slew, Soo Won since we couldn't find a way to fix the cycle without killing her, things like that. Blish made sense, I assumed Aurene would be on the list, Vlast was a reach, but who cares about Mai Trin or Cinder? I get it, Mai had her redeeming moment but why would that be something that plagues the Commander who's live through wars with five dragons, an army of charr, a god, and the void of nothingness itself? Cinder especially made no sense. Maybe if my character was a Charr there'd be some sense of 'She symbolized the rift in my people during the civil war' kind of thing but for my human protagonist she's just the number 2 of the Charr rebel leader who Smodurr stupidly took out making the war worse. Feels like the thing was rushed out to me and they had to quickly find a way to resolve the demon situation before dropping it and going to the next project.
I felt this patch had much more details than the previous one, alot more text to read and choices to make, last patch was really bare compared to this one
Future expac is definitely gonna include the Empress in DR, if not then I’m gonna be disappointed. That has been hinted at a few time already and to not show any of it or least mention it.
Thanks for the all the content WP. I'm curious what your take (and others) is on how these "pre-xpac" content patches compare to others. The only one I've played live was Champions, and to me both Gyala patches feel better than Champions spread out with 4 releases over 5 months. Plus, there was still a solid chunk of time between the end of Champions and EOD, whereas with this it seems we'll be getting the next xpac in only a few months. Not sure how One Path Ends felt at the time, but to me Gyala Delves is a better map than Siren's Landing, but both story contents feel like filler (though, One Path Ends has the vision that teases POF). Point of no Return didn't have a new map, but the story leads directly into HOT accompanied by the trailer at the end.
Recent patches have felt very lackluster, IMO. A lot of 'tell and don't show' with most actual combat encounters/mechanics being repetitive and reskins. Some of the dialogue-focused interactions were good (I rather enjoyed going back to process the death of old characters), but overall it felt a lot like ANET is having some of those development issues they claimed they wouldn't have after firing so many of their staff.
I got my Taimi/Gorrik, I got a *date with Canach*, and I got a Snargle Goldclaw Novel. 10/10 patch. I guess the gameplay was... meh? Not over, not under, just ... 'whelming'.
I know FFXIV is entirely different game, but it’s literally shitting all over this game from a storytelling perspective. Both through sheer output of story and the quality of its writing to begin with. Now I know it will never be at that level, but if they want to change their perspective of how they tell the lore of their game, they really need to step it up. It’s sad though because the story was really good in PoF through LW4. What the hell happened??
Tbh, I thought this patch was a kick to the nuts. A 10 week almost 2 month wait for a tiny patch that has boring combat and little to no satisfying conclusion to a brief storyline dealing with demons. And the way to defeat this demon? Friendship? This is like the crappy ending to a fast and the furious movie where FAMILY is the answer. I held hopes out for a little something more to finish out this expansion content but this was the biggest let down I’ve ever had for GW2. I just cannot fathom how they think this patch is actually good. At least the previous patch had some additions like a map and new information but the expansion to the map is nothing more than a zig zaggy hallway cave. Seriously let down.
This feels like the latter half of IBS. It feels like the resources on these two patches are drastically reduced to focus on the expansion(s). Whether that turns out or not, I dunno, but yeah it's pretty disappointing. The problem with their patches if they do about 30 minutes of dialogue but half a TV seasons worth of character development. I DO like the character devlopment of Rama and the brancing story (though I imagine having no long term impact) is nice.
Maybe this is just me right after playing the patch but I didn't think it was THAT terrible. That could be a good or bad thing though as my bar for this game just might be getting lower and lower. I'm sure after it sinks in I'll find a ton to be critical about with the patch other than with the length and the extremely anti-climactic ending.
And so ends Cantha with this patch, right? What an absolute abomination of the absolutely gorgeous Cantha, which was thoughtfully crafted and was fully immersive back in GUILD WARS (GW2 is no longer Guild Wars, it's fucking Guilt Wars 2020's political crap). I was so optimistic when Colin rejoined the studio as pseudo director (surely?), but its evident that the team, talent, and knowledge is long gone from ArenaNet. This is a disgrace. Cantha should have been a pillar of this game, but they're so caught up in all this narrative that is repetitive, boring, and soppy crap.
I enjoyed these last 2 story patches (still think they were too short but oh well), the story beat was interesting and havent seen often where character mental states are so directly addressed, knowing how someone feels makes them more life-like rather than having eveyr single action and word just interpretation. Like everything should be interpreted differently, I think its soothing knowing clearly 100% how someone feels. BUT its just as WP said, they are trying to tell much much bigger story is just a limited space so it kinda falls flat to me. Like trying shove far too many things in a tiny box, GW2 writers clearly want to tell amazing stories ,but if they dont make room for it, why bother? If I have a story idea thats as grand as Game of Thrones, but Im limited to write only 5 page essay then shouldnt I try to make a good story that fits the genre, rather having massive amount of info between the lines while having even more niche info between those lines.
I had looked forward to Cantha for years, since GW1 Factions was my favorite. EoD really didn't do it justice. Shing Jea feels ...dead and empty. The whole story was overall bland and rushed (to me) and the various cool cinematics really didn't mesh well with everything. I see each expansion dropping in quality as they release in time. I love this game, however, it simply is not holding up to the standard set from vanilla / HoT. The echovald meta feels ...lame, so does the first map. I just don't really feel connected to any of it tbh.
the direction they went with the last 2 episode was severely underwhelming, after finishing the latest episode, i was like "I had no idea whats going on but ok commander ptsd solved?" I wouldve preferred if they made some antagonist from factions in cantha, like the jade brotherhood trying to expand and take over kaineng, and then a civil war broke out of something, or if they're even more daring, make Joon the next antagonist, making more monstrosities like the jade behemoth to try to take control of different parts of tyria with her jade army or something but no....they decided to give us some demon that feeds on PTSD....what? I'm done with all the weird monsters and gods and dragons being the focus honestly, id like to see some grounded stuffs for once
It might be that the day before I played the new FF14 patch and I had too high expectations for the story, but oh my god was it trash. Rama, Gorrik and Yao are the most boring characters ever. They made me miss Braham, atleast he made me feel something even if that feeling was cringe most of the time. The power of friendship and positive thought and going on dates.... I cant believe someone got paid to write this. I hope the future expacs focus more on actual story, rather than who is banging who among the character cast - I dont really care. Been watching Preach on his playthrough of the GW2 story and seeing how good S3, PoF and S4 was, and then getting this patch is... Disappointing.
I am glad I didn’t log in for this shit. I know it’s free but this is just sad. You can hardly call this a 2h story. It’s too small! 3 months of waiting for bullshit. Sorry but I probably won’t come back for a couple of years until they released enough to at least have a few weeks of play time.
I don't think you were supposed to offer a fish. Im surprised to see it worked. There were flowers around the field that you could pick up. But I guess a fish works lol.
They shouldn't have decided to end the "Dragon" era of the game. I was dissatisfied with the "rebirth of the cycle" and I still have questions about how magic in Tyria works, which will likely never receive answers.
Eh the base game was more disappointing with the final battle. They needed to change but did it poorly. Wish they had just placed the dragon stuff on hold after the third died for several years honestly. If we were to kill the 4th this year then it would be decent the wait another year or two.
@@raquetdude From a mechanics point that is true, but storywise Zhaitan's end is great. We had a couple years' pause between Mordremoth and Kralkatorrik, but I guess that doesn't count because Kralk was still woven into the plot? Guild Wars 2 was always the story of the Elder Dragons, pretending that it isn't for a while is just abandoning the story's foundations for something that has no meaning within the current structure. That's an even worse version of the same narrative mistake: abandoning the story arcs and themes.
@@raquetdude IBS should have been longer and ended much better for them to end the entire thing. IBS was a travesty, only compounded by the lackluster EOD conclusion.
Are you going to eventually go back to ur 20-30 vid breakdowns with what happened and what lore there was? I cant watch a 3 hour stream. It seems the channel has gone full twitch streamer.
I feel neither over- or under-, just whelmed. I liked that they had a lot more running around to different places to talk to different characters, and the lead up to the penultimate instance felt pretty well paced to me. I definitely felt the same way that the tunnel part was confusing and strangely paced. It felt like this short story was meant to give us a lot more on Yao and Chul-Moo, but I honestly just don't find either of them interesting at all so it kind of fell flat for me. All the other characters didn't have any meaningful advancement, it was just a continuation of plot points already set in motion at the end of EoD with the various romances.
One thing I've started to really dislike in the writing-and I feel like this was an issue in EoD, too-is there are far too many times when I feel like I can hear the writer talking to me about what they personally feel, rather than hearing a caste of characters with strong and differing opinions talk about an issue from multiple angles. I think this is the same thing you've been talking about with the 1st world therapy talk.
I was a little dumbfounded at how fast this whole story started and then wrapped up. The demon never even got a name or a personality of any kind, and it just kind of appeared and then got killed right away. Maybe it will lead to something else, which would make me feel better about it, but I really struggle to feel much of anything about this storyline.
It also really makes me sad to think this might be the end of Canthan content. Where was the Raisu Palace stuff? What are Tetra and the purists up to? What's the fallout of the energy crisis? I know that last one was kind of covered in this story, but it seemed like basically nothing happened at all yet. There are so many other things that are much more interesting to me than what they went with on this one and I hope whatever's next is more interesting.
I agree at the highest level of agreement possible
I'm fine the demon didn't have a name or personality, actually.
I'm still mad they made the void talk like a comicbook villain in EoD rather than just being an unsentient force that is uncompatible with life.
Sometimes the villain can just be a nameless beast that's harming you because it's in its nature, no other motivation needed.
I do agree with the rest though.
1:13:00 Female Sylvari (idk if gender changes it) say something along the lines of "I haven't felt this cramped since I came out of my pod".
The story between last patch and this felt underwhelming. Like it started off very interesting, but the way it was capped off? "Well the haze is here, not sure why, but I learned if you use good memories you can beat it!" I really hope this is not indicative of the quality to expect with their new content cycle...
im seconding this. Im really really hoping it's because they are just so jam packed with the back end shit like switching out code, reworking combat, etc etc etc all that other shit they mentioned, that they gave us such a light "expansion".
I may be sounding like a broken record, but I am pretty sure that what we have here are the leftovers of what was going to be the next living season. However, Anet went through the studio/direction change that was explained a few months ago and the project was scrapped as development on the next Expac started. In good faith, they at least decided to finish what they had and staple it on to the end of EoD for free. In their last post, they already said they’re done the first quarter release of the next Expac and are already on the second. With a release date of this Summer, I highly doubt these two patches are anything more than freebies, since that’s what they are. This release doesn’t make sense any other way.
@@TheMormonatorChannel Good info! didnt know some of that, Thanks.
We beat the Endboss with the power off love and friendship. Absolute crap. Huge missed Potential with kanaxai not beeing there. Startet off strong with the oni but this was certainly not worth the wait. The Best Thing about this was the books and braham not beeing in it.
@@TheMormonatorChannel Sure, but why do I feel like this keeps happening? Not a good thing at all.
Dude I'm watching this for the first time after beating the patch myself... those first sixty seconds of your video are soul-crushing in retrospect.
So we need to explore our trauma that generates large sums of emotion to lure the demon. Okay interesting we have been trough a lot. But Cinder is a option!? Cinder, a character that WP, a lore enthusiast, has to wiki!? Not only that, we do this with Chui-Moo!? A character that has no relation with Cinder at all!? This all falls so flat.
I cannot help but feel very dissappointed with how Cantha is handled. We had a succesfull launch of the expansion and then a year of nothing sprinkled with 10 year old LW season 1 content that took all of the winds out of the xpacs sails. Then after such a long time, we get a update for Cantha that in the end feels like very weak filler...
Some of the choices for character deaths to revisit really are quite odd. Cinder? Lol come on. And it could just be me being salty, but the repeated opportunities to makes us feel bad for Trin are a little odd as well lol.
Vlast as a choice was pretty iffy to me as well. As the player, yeah I'm sad we didn't get to spend more time with the character, but for the Commander, they only met Vlast right when he died. As a sacrifice, surely our order mentors would have been 1000x more traumatizing if that's the kind of emotion we were supposed to be drawing out of our characters here.
Unfortunately it kinda seems like Anet didn't want to give us any choices for character deaths pre-PoF, really
@@WAFFLEMAN38 The only thing I might give with Vlast is that the Commander was trying to save Vlast and ended up being effectively responsable for Vlast dying since Vlast died protecting the Commander. Considering their connection to Aurene I could see that as being traumatic but since it wasn't really something touched on at the time it didn't really hit home. Some strange choices over all never the less.
@@brynphillips9957 hmm yes, that's a good point! Like I said, I'm probably just salty haha
"That was only a few months ago...oh no wait that was over a year ago" story of my life these days
Ever since Drizzlewood coast it just feels like Interns shitting on a Rembrandt at Arenanet. What an absolute letdown these two patches were. Zero hope for their new business model based on the quality and cadence of the last two years.
The "expansion" to the map was pitiful, I was expecting a double in size like we got with Icebrood. And there's a streak of fog still in the middle of the map!! They couldnt even be assed to make enough art not to leave a streak of paint going through the unfogged new areas
the map art is complete underneath the smudge
@@LLPTV what do you mean?
It was confirmed eons ago that we were just getting that one small expansion area.
@@TheMormonatorChannel I have never Anet confirm this anywhere.
@@storklebeam7121 Saying otherwise would oust me as someone who unhealthily snarfs GW2 news, but at least in game they moved the name of map to reflect its actual size and map-clippers found the tunnel shortly after the first patch.
We watched Ankka kill Mai Trin, Gorik even comments about it. It's when you're escaping on the elevator.
If this is the direction they're going in the next expansion, and they're sticking with the naming convention, perhaps these would be good titles: Boredom of Wokeness, Lack of Gameplay, Death of Interest
Have to say, I enjoyed watching this video. It was pleasant to listen to someone actually enjoying the content and not being pessimistic about everything about it!
WP mentioned how cool it would be if choosing to recall memories about different people would take you to different expansion maps and then coincidently chose the two of the four options that DONT take you to PoF or HoT, but core Tyria instead.
To be fair Blish is fondly remembered by the community and then Cinder probably got chosen because no one recognized her. I also was expecting an option to continue recalling memories rather than being forced to stop.
What would happen if you chose vlast or aurene but didn't have PoF 🤔
This is the first patch in GW2's history that I didn't log in on day 1 (or as close as I could) to play. The last patch was really uninspiring to me, and I just felt like I was playing it due to the sunk cost fallacy. This one I just watched your stream instead, and tbh I've no interest in playing this patch at all. On the plus side, I think the ending wasn't a cliff-hanger for the very reason you said doing smaller xpacs is a good idea: its a fresh start. The next story will be a standalone thing in a new part of the world. The commander is refreshed, the story is refreshed, no lingering plot threads, no annoying ties to past storylines, and hopefully everything will work out in the future. I'll probably check out the summer patch. If its bad, I think my GW2 journey is at an end, lol. I'll probably still watch your vods on the game, though, for as long as they continue.
There were isolated moments I enjoyed over both patches. The use of old maps was nice. I enjoy that they are trying harder to show us the friendship between the commander and NPCs, which always felt lacking in the past (even if the attempt is way too heavy handed at times). I liked the levity the red duck tea house instances provided too.
The pacing was all over the place, though. It was especially egregious in the tunnel instance. Absolutely no urgency to something that was clearly meant to be urgent. Characters are calmly chatting and Taimi is flirting with Gorrik lol. The final battle was a joke. I don’t need it to be hard but I was never in any danger of being hit by an attack standing right next to the boss. Might as well have been a cutscene.
I am fairly underwhelmed. I got bored pretty quickly. Plus, I don’t see how these make sense as new chapters being added to EoDs in the story journal as it really has nothing to do with anything set up in the expansion…
Hey WP, I would love to see a continuation of your GW2 Master streams. I no longer play the game, but I remember watching your streams made me feel like a part of me was still involved in GW2!
That Civ 6 Music was Scarborough fair, you can hear it played by Simon and Garfunkel if anyone is interested
30:00 Disagree! I think these logs are way worse than the Bangar conversations. That Bangar dialogue was him reflecting on his actions, challenging the commander, with Jormag using him to win over Aurene (before all the story went to shit in Champions).
The logs try to explain the dangers of the haze, then introduce a possible solution, then end with a solution for the problem! Consider that we had one patch to get to experience the haze, and in between the first and the second patch, the Asura Big Brains have already created a device that'll solve it for us! The only decent thing the logs did was the backstory of Yao and Chul-Moo, even though I disagree with how the characters handle the newly gotten info (i.e. not telling Yao), but at least their motivations for doing so make sense.
40:50 Agree! Very well-written back and forth between commander and Yao. You say that it might just fit with your own feelings on Mai Trin, but I think it's important to acknowledge both sides of her without excusing her actions, which allows for the commander to struggle with Mai without commiting one way or another (that can still be up to the player).
The responses from the characters who are with you seem to be written to reflect themselves as well. Yao talks about Mai trying to be more acceptable to herself instead of 'a bunch of pirates', Chul-Moo about the difficulties of leading a group and people getting hurt as a part of your responsibility.
2:28:00 I also picked Canach for the same reasons and was not disappointed. A very fun instance.
Lastly, you mentioned that you couldn't quite follow the story of Chul-Moo and Yao. You might've missed or forgotten it (and by now you'd probably know but w/e), but it was mentioned in Gorrik's research logs: Chul-Moo's crew went crazy and he accidentally killed someone. Gorrik decides not to tell Yao, so they only find out in the tunnel when you all see the vision of Chul-Moo pushing her off.
Overall the story still suffers from not enought time for anything with too many unresolved shit of which I have no trust they'll pick it back up.
Had to laugh when even WP didn't know who Cinder was... I don't really know why she was included. They several other better characters they could have chosen.
it jsut felt more bizarre to see Her name besides all the other characters
Hah re not recognizing Cinder, not surprised. I remember wishing WP did more coverage of ice brood saga. The thing that stuck out most to me was, as a charr, some members of your warband (and they were different for Ash/Blood/Iron, 2 each I think?) ended up as one of the 12 bosses in that mid south to north transition event sequence. Playing as charr made me feel so shit for leaving my warband. I was hyped for WP to get to them, read their journals, and talk about it, but don't think you ever did WP, maybe just mentioned it in passing.
Also I had a chance to play Icebrood Saga as Iron Legion charr and that was great, because Smodur has unique dialogue for you. He treats you as his subordinate but is very nice to you and talks to you in quite a cool way. Makes the whole thing feel quite deep/conflicting on an emotional level, considering his behaviour overall.
I like Cinder being here, I do remember feeling very bad for her. Ryland seemed to have led his entire warband to death by our hand, him chasing power as Jormag's Lieutenant. Ryland Ryland, shaking my head. Members of that warband were great, feels bad killing them once you chat with them in the steel strike and follow their stories with collections.
I think they're doubling down on making their story mainly about characters and drama more than anything else. Gorrik saying "Case closed!" I think rather refers to the crisis at Gyala Delve rather than the whole demon storyline. The footsteps achievements might also give some lore about Cinder Steeltemper perhaps?
yep, did all of the footsteps collections and they do help to flesh out the characters a fair bit, especially the conversation you can have with the warband at the end of ForgedSteel
I'm pleasantly surprised that you've enjoyed this patch as much as you did, given some of your previous comments. I was hoping for some more myself, but I did enjoy it decently enough. I suppose thus is a clean break and a fully fresh start.
Fun fact, there's new (as far as I know) music during the skiff race adventure! It sounds to me like if there was a pirate song in a Trine game. I really liked it. It doesn't sound Canthan/Asian at all though, which was odd.
I might be wrong but i think that song existed already in the labyrinthine cliffs, it's probably reused from the first skiff race ever, which happened there.
@@gewreid5946 Yeah I didn't know about that skiff race before it was mentioned in the stream he did with Boots. I didn't really play the last festival there so I wasn't aware of it.
There is no guild wars patch without seeing ghosts of dead characters.
My possible explanation for why this didn't set up anything coming in the expac would be: EoD was supposed to end the big dragon story, so they want a clean break between that and the next thing. If this does too much setting up of what's to come, then any new people coming into the next story will still have that overhanging "oh well you need to play the previous expansion to get all the context for how this started". It's been a fairly consistent "problem" for most of the game's lifetime. To understand where S4 started you need to play PoF, to understand how PoF started you need to play S3. To understand how S3 started you need to play HoT > S2 > S1. IBS was a kind of clean break, but EoD really relies quite a bit on past events.
It's always going to be a "problem" to some extent though if we're going to have continuity of the game, but I could see why they might try to alleviate it to the extent that they can to transition out of the Elder Dragon story at the moment.
as a max height norn, i can confirm the dialog where you get into Scruffy changes to something like: "How's the fit?" "It's... tight. My knees are in my throat!" lol
It really felt like a very shallow patch. Once again they have Taimi doing a (i'm tired of calling it this), a deus X machina again to build a machine that instantly solves the demon problem. We could've had so more more from them, and interesting lore, but it was just thrown aside so they could quickly wrap up this story and move on.
It felt exhausting to go through this, a therapy patch for the commander. I never felt like this was a real threat for us, and at this point I honestly wish they'd skipped these last two patches and just worked on their next story, but if this was any indication of what's to come, I can't say I'm excited.
This is the first patch in nearly 11 years of GW2 I have not played day-of release.
I'll give it a go soon, I'm just not ready yet.
This was....I cant even begin to describe WTF this was. We win with the power of positive thinking and affirmations. What the actual f@#$? Fire the writing staff and start fresh with people that can tell an actual F'ing story.
Maybe these are Same story writers from Amazon the rings of power
A New Threat Emerges, so it is a new villain we haven't seen or heard from before I guess?
Definitely gonna involve the Empress in DR… so curious about that part
Honestly I'm tired of these stories that make every one of my toons the center of the universe, as well as every single other player that I interact with. It totally takes away from the idea that we're just individuals in a world. I honestly hope they change that in the future.
46:50 I played civ 6 pretty hardcore when it launched and England, along with Rome and Japan (and later Indonesia/Korea in the DLCs/expansions) were probably my most played civs back then so I have fond memories of staying up *WAY* too late playing the game with that theme (and the other civs) playing. The soundtrack is stellar, and contrary to what someone in chat said, the vast majority of it was composed by Geoff Knorr - christopher tin only did the opening theme (which itself was also amazing). What Knorr did was take what was considered the music representative of that civ - all the pieces were traditional (or as close as it could be) pieces from that civ and he made different era versions of it, with more modern instruments as your civ's technology advanced. It was excellent.
Pity the game's balance when out of whack when Firaxis made the season pass with overpowered civs. Still gonna play civ 7 when they release it though.
2:37:54 You've been hit by Smoooth Criminal
i really dont know how this is how we cap the era of EoD, all of the interesting plot points were glossed over or completley left out (the only mention of Li was that weird middle school bullying remark) but hopefully they can do a purity revolt where they try to release him and do the raisu palace mystery together once we get a follow up with empress ihn.
i vaguely remember cinder getting killed in that exchange that went wrong
Woodenpotatoes like "it's pretty decently long patch, we've been at it for over 2 hours." Dawg you talked for like an hour at the beginning 😂
I guess they could only get those voice actors, everyone else voice actors/characters where too busy. xd
The dialogue before we eavesdrop on our power asura couple
Taimi- "So we're agreed that the situation with the Commander and Canach dancing around each other is ridiculous"
Gorrik- "Yes, but they both refuse to acknowledge it"
Taimi- "Well let's force them on a double date but pretend that it's optional by coming up with completely ridiculous alternatives, like Ayumi"
Gorrik- "Such a good idea, she's very nice"....
Disney, Marvel level writing team 😂😂😂😂😂
These 2 episodes just pushed me away from the game, extremely underwhelming, the story is dumb, the only thing they did was to add fetch quests and using the power of emotions... ffs 😅
I think it's not bad if we have this kind of more personal history from time to time but as if to serve as relief after an epic battle. But that is the problem the epicness. You can see on a old game as LOTRO how they manage epic batlles like the "batlle of pelennor fields" on UA-cam. I feel that at the beginning they tried to achieve this epicness, especially in the "personal story" and perhaps because they did not know how to achieve it, there were errors such as the battle against zhaitan but after this they began with the cast that we already know and there the spectrum was reduced even so, I think the next expansion will be better received and to be honest I don't dislike this story either, but I still believe that a little more of "charr style" would not hurt the game.
Feels kind of bad if the whole gyala map was some sort of filler episode about friendship with characters I dont care for. I hope we get a long cohesive story and this demon theme will continue to play a role in the future. Am a bit worried about the mini expansions. Maybe I'm just used to the key theme (Elder Dragons) since GW Eye of the North.
I never felt quite satisfyied with the length and cohesiveness of story we got in the three "full sized" expansion, i doubt it will start with the "mini" ones.
@@gewreid5946 Exactly.
The worst part to me is that THIS is what they came up with after a year of pretty much nothing. My general cynicism about the game has become more of indifference. While I didn't expect EoD to be good, I at least hoped it would and played it. But for the next expac? I don't really care. I am in this weird Limbo right now in wich I WANT to care, because of all my time with the franchise, but I fear it has grown too distant for me. Props to everyone enjoying it, but unless something does change soon, I feel like slowly getting to the point of not only taking a break from the game, but quitting it all together.
I know, not the first nor the last stranger on the internet to say those words. But something feels different now. My stock of hopium and copium has been pretty much depleted.
This feels like it was supposed to be a larger living world storyline but during the studio changes and their decision to restructure content and work on the next expac….it feels like this patch was the TL;DR of what was suppose to be multiple living worlds and they decided to just wrap it up and finish it early.
1:36:50 just realised it’s a Germanic name … Ludwig. Like in the old game, nice touch there
So the laugh in the Teaser. Isgarren ? Menzies? .... what crazy conspiracies can we start
Oh boy can't wait to get another story about fighting the dreaded patriarchy.
- Wow that patch name -.-
- Yeah the Cantha armor sets aren't that interesting. I dressed my character up with full sets of armor, and I've found that launch armor (excluding dungeons) and PoF have the most interesting ones (as I like them of course). The warbeast and funeral set are amazing for me. But the Canthan ones? Meh.
- I've heard that it's because the Chinese players are not happy with how Anet mixed Chinese elements with other countries' elements (specifically Korean). Isn't that also the reason why the Canthan quarter of Divinity's Reach was collapsed?
- Oh dear, exploring emotions XD That sounds majorly like some kind of psychological therapy.
- I think the commander did saw Ankka killing Mai Trin. Gorrik and Marjory saw it too. When we're escaping the reactor and they throw us into that cut-scene, we are in a see-through glass tube right above the reactor control room where Ankka killed Mai Trin. And when the cut-scene ended, Gorrik remarked on how Ankka killed Mai Trin and vowed to take revenge, which suggested that we did see the scene as the commander through the glass.
- Wow Lys sounds so vicious there! But I agree with you on that, I don't like the forced moral either.
- Hmm Cinder is an interesting choice. It's true that you can get more info on Cinder if you did the "following the footsteps" achievements, but so do the other members of the Steel Warband. I wonder why didn't they pick Ryland if they're only going for something Charr related.
- It's so weird hearing Chul-Moo talking about Smodur and Cinder and Charr stuff.
- Yeah those are old lines. Blish did say "come back for me" when we were escaping the mist, but as soon as we left his view, he used his communicator and told us that he lied. Basically the tracker he was setting up had lost its power, so Blish had to shut down the functions of his golem body to provide the tracker with infinite power. So I doubt that line was Anet reminding us of anything, but who knows?
- Now I'm really interested in what the Vlast option will make us do! Because we collected crystals of him in the PoF story, so whatever more we can get really interest me.
- Wow I actually forget about Aurene dying in S4 too lmao I actually laughed out loud when I saw someone in chat typed "Aurene literally died".
- I haven't seen that magnifying glass icon above those crates before!
- Isn't that NPC in Arborstone the same one who we helped collected the Kurzick tapestry, and later found that she is a member of House zu Heltzer?
- Oh dear who is that shadow? Is it Ignite Mossheart? Is it some speaker member? Wooooooo!
- Rama's voice acting is really funny lol
- So Rama's seeing Ministet Li and heard that he was talking ill of Captain Min?
- I think the women Chul-Moo thought he was talking to was the one he mentioned in Gorrik's record you heard last stream. In one of those records, you hear that Chul-Moo fought a crazed female member of the Jade Brotherhood. They fought to the edge of a digging hole, and the crazed women tried to attack Chul-Moo, but Chul-Moo evaded, and she fell into the hole.
- Yeah I thought it was weird that it was so quiet when we were in this intense chase and battle sequence, and it turns out that the music was muted lol
- Well the final boss uses the attack animations of the Echo of Scarlet in the Aetherblade Hideout Strike Mission, so...
- I guess it's all dead people because those were the ghost that haunt us in the previous patch.
- lol They used Rama to voice that line in game: "Did we really just use positive memories to defeat the demon?" Good question Rama, good question.
- Wow hahaha that was funny as all hell lmao the dating thing. Those fan-fiction writers are gonna be crazy over this.
- Oh so the Empress Inn visiting DR thing is still a thing!
- This ending is so weird. Like we're in this intense battle with a demon, and four story steps later we're on a date with someone and watching a funny scene. It's either good or meh but ok for the scenes themselves, but connect them together and we get this weird chapter.
I thought it was really brave for the patch to deal with emotions the way it did. It’s something that hasn’t been explored in GW2 and it could be received as retrospective or cringe. (Everyone’s MMV) I’m always glad when the story tries to remind us of the personal stakes and repercussions of our actions.
I forgive the lackluster combat in the instance because I’m having a blast with the new meta and map. Instanced content is a really small percentage of my gameplay with new patches.
I do find it weird that the patch doesn’t seem to connect to the next expansion. I remember the segue to PoE was a random vision in Orr. (“Well, I guess we’re going to Elona, now). But maybe they will tie together somehow. Right now the post-EoD story seems like a televised holiday event between major movie releases in a franchise.
And I thought the date was cute.
Good to know I don't need to waste the time or bandwidth updating the game.
Hoping best for the Expac
Story:
MICRO great.
MACRO meh decent but could be much better.
Glad how they managed to use a lot of text based story.
Wider story was weak though.
Glad they still mention the Empress being in DR.
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The music of the dutch in civ 6 is offensively inappropriate. Its a classical french song and does not use a single traditional instrument in its arrangement
Interesting!
@@WoodenPotatoes Tbh I don't really know why they picked Scarborough fair for the english theme either. Its excellent, but I don't think people think of that tune when thinking of the English. I would have suggested rule Britannia but thats more Britain as a whole rather than the English.
The chinese theme is as stereotypically chinese as you'll get though.
I have no idea who Cinder is, even now. Ayumi is fine, as i recalled her from Echovald.
14:40 agreed - The GW2 master was a fun series especially the daily griffon race rolls. But i feel when people started donating gemstore things it looked worse than it was. They ignore that youve never asked for stuff over 10 years / stuff went directly to the guild. Your actual solid achievments or grinding for particular items was impressive but this was overshadowed. People forget the offstream stuff funded a lot of this such as your insane amount of PVP matches for gold between streams. Master and AP of the day had some really interesting moments for certain achievments i hadn't go - was nice to see something Anet tried and go "ooo i didn't know about this one".
It was one of those, well im doing the content - may aswell stream it for people who might be interested. Seemed like a no brainer to me - providing you could stay on track and people werent distracting you in the usual cycle of debates.
Im the same with the Wardrobe Unlocker. I honestly coudln't care less about gemstore stuff. I just like "ticking" things off a list to say ive completed a patch. Even if i never use these skins.
Also i still do a casual weekly key farm from level 10 story. Guaranteed unlockers have given me CRAZY good gem store items over the years
Thanks, man. This is totally how I feel about all that.
@@WoodenPotatoes also cmon Anet we need a collections panel... Regardless of how bloated the UI. Make everything collections. Every time you add set of skins, make a collection.
It will make people engage with content even just tick things off.
Raid weapons, guild armor, jade punk weapons... All of it.
When a patch hits, people can use this UI to find what skins are in each patch. Maybe even attach waypoints or links to achivements that unlock the vendor option.
Use the tiered reward system to incentivise you continue, give out materials to create more weapons. New titles or minis based around the weapon sets theme.
Endless potential
@@_Banjo_ It's so strange to me they never added a collection for the Istan weapon sets. Guaranteed just adding that with 10 AP per would make a bunch of people who overlooked them pay attention.
I'd like to see your reaction to the Aurene stuff from the bottle your emotions step. It confused me quite a bit to be honest, it seemed to imply a cleaner break with her than I felt from the original EoD storyline.
Technically we could go into Fractals, take a copy of Blish and copy it to another golem/
IMO the broad strokes of this mini-story feel sort of juvenile since it can pretty much be boiled down to "Commander and company (literally) fight their inner demons and resolve them via the power of friendship, positivity and teamwork". My biggest issue I think is with how the boss demon was handled. The idea of someone basically thinking happy thoughts in a highly stressful situation such as dealing with a big bad demon that is set up to be very fearsome to defeat it sounds a little lame, for lack of a better word. They present something that is on paper an honestly terrifying context and handle it like a kid's show would. They handled this in almost the exact same way as they did way back in the final Mordremoth fight, and my issues from there are thus very similar here. With the tonal maturity that the story has built up over time, something does not click.
Throughout the story the writers have attempted to resolve the issue of the Commander's baggage several times, and none of them felt particularly nuanced or satisfying. The so-called therapeutic dialogue between the Commander and his/her accompanying characters was certainly a mark up from, say, the Shining Blade instance in S3. I will give credit to the writing team for at least addressing it from such an angle. But like many other aspects of the game's story, this problem is a result of a lack of time given for everything to develop. We are getting the summary in-game, even if the summary is about a topic that should be done in an all-or-nothing manner, because anything in between will not be satisfying. For this reason I feel these story beats that pertain to specifically the Commander's character should be dealt with in side stories rather than "personal story" chapters, where the writers can explore it more freely (and the players more interested in the lower-scale storytelling can choose to explore what is functionally a Commander therapy session if they saw fit).
However on the other hand I see the merit in making the decisions they have for these last two patches. Tying up loose ends like the Commander's overall mental state would provide a blank canvas for whatever "the new threat emerging" is to get really dark and gritty if they wanted to go there. If it will be anything like the darkness of the Dragonvoid as a concept, I look forward to what they will explore. I also like that they have taken this time to give depth to characters that were previously somewhat superficial, like Yao and Chul-Moo. Now that they are being given some time to shine, we for a little while get to see characters as actual people rather than what the game initially presented at the launch of EoD, which were ideas of people at best and caricatures at worst. I just wish they did this for people like Minister Li, but alas, no time, gotta keep moving.
Overall idk. There are things to like and things to disagree with. Map looks pretty cool.
No amount of dev time is going to make people care about the commander's PTSD arc if the player can't identify with the character. Everyone's like "omigosh are you ok? can you handle it? we're here for you sweetie" meanwhile I couldn't be less immersed in this artifical struggle snuggle session. Feelings I don't have shouldn't be the main plotpoint. They are trying to cash in on something they didn't earn.
@@okbuddykormir Yeah I see what you mean. For the longest time we have been taught by the game to view the Commander as a vessel to project a character onto. Now that they're going back on that, it feels jarring, in part due to the linear style of the story the game has taken on. Linear character-based storytelling in an MMORPG -> lack of input -> lack of connection, not only with our character, but NPCs too. What they are trying to present in the recent story works better in a context where our level of character customisation is around GW1 level: one race, one nationality, just pick how they look and what class they'll play. GW2 gives us a LOT more than that from the start, and seeing it have such little effect in the long run character-wise (how they act and react to events) can take you out too. These last two patches just made it shine a lot more. Even if this problem has existed since launch, we did not feel it as much throughout core Tyria because a lot more things were dialogue-tree heavy. I don't know. Maybe we'll get used to it later. But I don't know what it says about the game's ability to immerse when I and others have had to imagine the Commander as a separate entity from the character we're playing with to experience the story.
To be honest, considering this is a filler arc I'm really not surprised that it came out the way that it did. Filler arcs have historically rarely ever been good. If it just wasn't marked as green story in game it may have gone down a lot nicer for a lot of people. Feelings we don't have wouldn't then be integral to developing the main story. Let's hope the next patches are something different.
This would have been pretty funny as an April Fool's prank, but I fear ANet meant it serious. All problems can be solved by positive thinking. Cancer can be cured and villains can be beaten just by having the right attitude.
Instead of actually working on goot content most of ANet staff is just channeling positve energy at the remaining few disbelievers who still think that life is hard.
To me the last two patches were a massive disappointment and I have very little hope for the upcoming mini expansion(s).
There's something missing from today's gw2 that it used to have back then, but i cant really place what. Just feels like something's missing🤔
I was pretty disappointed about the lack of set up for the next expac, but it's just another way the GW2 format hamstrings their story. Anything they set up now would not be seen by a new player that comes in with the next expac. It won't include the existing Cantha zones or the two patches we just played, so they can't give to much information in these.
Given how short the Main storyline in is EoD, I'm really not sure how they can tell a good story in half the time.. I mean, is it going to end at the middle of the story and we won't see the conclusion till the final map (aka old living world?) Or are they going to tell an entire story in 2 maps? Half the size of EoD?
That just... I just cant imagine that not being thin.
I think it's fine just really need to see what the next epack looks like so if that's a decent size or good quality than this these releases would be worth it in my opinion. I think there are for sure ways they could have improved it with either the energy crisis seeming like more of a crisis or touching on Kanaxai but I guess the having a patch where everything isn't super high stakes or end of the world is an okay change of pace. Also when you played the teaser you didn't mention or maybe didn't hear the deep laughter and was so hoping to hear your speculation on who that could be.
What lies within felt underwhelming. The initial setup in the last drop was interesting, demons and some strange void like haze causing nightmares and forcing people to relive their trauma was pretty cool but then it went full Disney with the whole 'positive vibes win the day'. Not to mention it felt like just running errands leading up to one single event and a fight. I first spent 10 minutes listening to Gorrick's research since I hadn't finished the logs, slap a demon once with the tube in scruffy, then get told to go relive some trauma to prepare myself mentally. At first that's not a bad idea, Commander has plenty of trauma in his life. I expected to see Forgal, Eir, Trahearne, Soulkeeper, maybe fight some shade of the innoncents that died in Elona due to Kralk absorbing the god we slew, Soo Won since we couldn't find a way to fix the cycle without killing her, things like that. Blish made sense, I assumed Aurene would be on the list, Vlast was a reach, but who cares about Mai Trin or Cinder? I get it, Mai had her redeeming moment but why would that be something that plagues the Commander who's live through wars with five dragons, an army of charr, a god, and the void of nothingness itself? Cinder especially made no sense. Maybe if my character was a Charr there'd be some sense of 'She symbolized the rift in my people during the civil war' kind of thing but for my human protagonist she's just the number 2 of the Charr rebel leader who Smodurr stupidly took out making the war worse. Feels like the thing was rushed out to me and they had to quickly find a way to resolve the demon situation before dropping it and going to the next project.
I felt this patch had much more details than the previous one, alot more text to read and choices to make, last patch was really bare compared to this one
Future expac is definitely gonna include the Empress in DR, if not then I’m gonna be disappointed.
That has been hinted at a few time already and to not show any of it or least mention it.
Thanks for the all the content WP. I'm curious what your take (and others) is on how these "pre-xpac" content patches compare to others. The only one I've played live was Champions, and to me both Gyala patches feel better than Champions spread out with 4 releases over 5 months. Plus, there was still a solid chunk of time between the end of Champions and EOD, whereas with this it seems we'll be getting the next xpac in only a few months. Not sure how One Path Ends felt at the time, but to me Gyala Delves is a better map than Siren's Landing, but both story contents feel like filler (though, One Path Ends has the vision that teases POF). Point of no Return didn't have a new map, but the story leads directly into HOT accompanied by the trailer at the end.
Recent patches have felt very lackluster, IMO. A lot of 'tell and don't show' with most actual combat encounters/mechanics being repetitive and reskins. Some of the dialogue-focused interactions were good (I rather enjoyed going back to process the death of old characters), but overall it felt a lot like ANET is having some of those development issues they claimed they wouldn't have after firing so many of their staff.
I got my Taimi/Gorrik, I got a *date with Canach*, and I got a Snargle Goldclaw Novel. 10/10 patch.
I guess the gameplay was... meh? Not over, not under, just ... 'whelming'.
you choose every option i did.
I know FFXIV is entirely different game, but it’s literally shitting all over this game from a storytelling perspective. Both through sheer output of story and the quality of its writing to begin with. Now I know it will never be at that level, but if they want to change their perspective of how they tell the lore of their game, they really need to step it up. It’s sad though because the story was really good in PoF through LW4. What the hell happened??
Tbh, I thought this patch was a kick to the nuts. A 10 week almost 2 month wait for a tiny patch that has boring combat and little to no satisfying conclusion to a brief storyline dealing with demons. And the way to defeat this demon? Friendship? This is like the crappy ending to a fast and the furious movie where FAMILY is the answer. I held hopes out for a little something more to finish out this expansion content but this was the biggest let down I’ve ever had for GW2. I just cannot fathom how they think this patch is actually good. At least the previous patch had some additions like a map and new information but the expansion to the map is nothing more than a zig zaggy hallway cave. Seriously let down.
If you only see "zig zaggy" hallway cave there and nothing else then you should simply leave the game.
@@mateusznawrot8941 very insightful.
Agreed 100%. Is this the quality we are to be given from now on ? As you said, it was really a let down
This feels like the latter half of IBS. It feels like the resources on these two patches are drastically reduced to focus on the expansion(s).
Whether that turns out or not, I dunno, but yeah it's pretty disappointing. The problem with their patches if they do about 30 minutes of dialogue but half a TV seasons worth of character development.
I DO like the character devlopment of Rama and the brancing story (though I imagine having no long term impact) is nice.
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Maybe this is just me right after playing the patch but I didn't think it was THAT terrible. That could be a good or bad thing though as my bar for this game just might be getting lower and lower. I'm sure after it sinks in I'll find a ton to be critical about with the patch other than with the length and the extremely anti-climactic ending.
And so ends Cantha with this patch, right? What an absolute abomination of the absolutely gorgeous Cantha, which was thoughtfully crafted and was fully immersive back in GUILD WARS (GW2 is no longer Guild Wars, it's fucking Guilt Wars 2020's political crap). I was so optimistic when Colin rejoined the studio as pseudo director (surely?), but its evident that the team, talent, and knowledge is long gone from ArenaNet.
This is a disgrace. Cantha should have been a pillar of this game, but they're so caught up in all this narrative that is repetitive, boring, and soppy crap.
I enjoyed these last 2 story patches (still think they were too short but oh well), the story beat was interesting and havent seen often where character mental states are so directly addressed, knowing how someone feels makes them more life-like rather than having eveyr single action and word just interpretation. Like everything should be interpreted differently, I think its soothing knowing clearly 100% how someone feels. BUT its just as WP said, they are trying to tell much much bigger story is just a limited space so it kinda falls flat to me. Like trying shove far too many things in a tiny box, GW2 writers clearly want to tell amazing stories ,but if they dont make room for it, why bother? If I have a story idea thats as grand as Game of Thrones, but Im limited to write only 5 page essay then shouldnt I try to make a good story that fits the genre, rather having massive amount of info between the lines while having even more niche info between those lines.
I had looked forward to Cantha for years, since GW1 Factions was my favorite. EoD really didn't do it justice. Shing Jea feels ...dead and empty. The whole story was overall bland and rushed (to me) and the various cool cinematics really didn't mesh well with everything.
I see each expansion dropping in quality as they release in time. I love this game, however, it simply is not holding up to the standard set from vanilla / HoT. The echovald meta feels ...lame, so does the first map.
I just don't really feel connected to any of it tbh.
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the direction they went with the last 2 episode was severely underwhelming, after finishing the latest episode, i was like "I had no idea whats going on but ok commander ptsd solved?"
I wouldve preferred if they made some antagonist from factions in cantha, like the jade brotherhood trying to expand and take over kaineng, and then a civil war broke out of something, or if they're even more daring, make Joon the next antagonist, making more monstrosities like the jade behemoth to try to take control of different parts of tyria with her jade army or something
but no....they decided to give us some demon that feeds on PTSD....what? I'm done with all the weird monsters and gods and dragons being the focus honestly, id like to see some grounded stuffs for once
It might be that the day before I played the new FF14 patch and I had too high expectations for the story, but oh my god was it trash. Rama, Gorrik and Yao are the most boring characters ever. They made me miss Braham, atleast he made me feel something even if that feeling was cringe most of the time.
The power of friendship and positive thought and going on dates.... I cant believe someone got paid to write this. I hope the future expacs focus more on actual story, rather than who is banging who among the character cast - I dont really care. Been watching Preach on his playthrough of the GW2 story and seeing how good S3, PoF and S4 was, and then getting this patch is... Disappointing.
A very meh patch. Just... leaves me feeling apathetic towards the future of GW2
Hi WP, I don't think this is part of the playlist
Full playthrough with so much banter and its just 3 hours? Yikes...
I am glad I didn’t log in for this shit. I know it’s free but this is just sad. You can hardly call this a 2h story. It’s too small! 3 months of waiting for bullshit. Sorry but I probably won’t come back for a couple of years until they released enough to at least have a few weeks of play time.
It isn't even free, you paid for it by buying EoD.
@@snowdropfox5754 yea but I did not buy EoD for the post patches.
I don't think you were supposed to offer a fish. Im surprised to see it worked. There were flowers around the field that you could pick up. But I guess a fish works lol.
This was a really boring story and a bad patch tbh. I feel like if this was part of last patch all as one patch it still would have felt pretty meh.
They shouldn't have decided to end the "Dragon" era of the game. I was dissatisfied with the "rebirth of the cycle" and I still have questions about how magic in Tyria works, which will likely never receive answers.
Eh the base game was more disappointing with the final battle.
They needed to change but did it poorly.
Wish they had just placed the dragon stuff on hold after the third died for several years honestly. If we were to kill the 4th this year then it would be decent the wait another year or two.
@@raquetdude From a mechanics point that is true, but storywise Zhaitan's end is great.
We had a couple years' pause between Mordremoth and Kralkatorrik, but I guess that doesn't count because Kralk was still woven into the plot? Guild Wars 2 was always the story of the Elder Dragons, pretending that it isn't for a while is just abandoning the story's foundations for something that has no meaning within the current structure. That's an even worse version of the same narrative mistake: abandoning the story arcs and themes.
@@raquetdude IBS should have been longer and ended much better for them to end the entire thing. IBS was a travesty, only compounded by the lackluster EOD conclusion.
I liked the story and the theme of this patch, but the gameplay was underwhelming
Are you going to eventually go back to ur 20-30 vid breakdowns with what happened and what lore there was? I cant watch a 3 hour stream. It seems the channel has gone full twitch streamer.
I enjoy these videos & I've used your build, but please stop using the Lord's name in vain