I was an OG wow player who stopped around the Burning Crusade and revisited it once post Lich King. I was SO surprised they added quest markers and made dungeons easy to teleport to. Some of my favorite moments were begging barons chat to help me find quest targets or sneaking through enemy territory to get to a opposite faction dungeon with some people I met in a hub. The changes arent bad, but those were good times.
@Wizzykin tbh when i started to play wow classic every person i met was being toxic and cocky and that put me off it but i gave it one more chance and tbh alot of people have changed and i love that :)
What you just said is nonsense, Mankrik server is crazy populated rn, i'm Horde and there is players everywhere at the point of having to wait for mobs to respawn, and you always find someone to help you with though enemies.
What I miss most of all from classic wow was the buffs, you could talk to somoene or trade with them or maybe even group with them. But when you are alone, running down some abandoned forest trail and you see another player you had one goal, buff him, help him. It got the point it reminded me of the Knights of Old raising their visors to salute each other. It was a hello, a salute and your respect for that player all rolled up into 100 mana, and I miss it. :(
"I for one am so relieved not to be the chosen one" YES, I've been saying this about wow classic for years. It's one of the most immersive worlds I've ever inhabited because it feels so large. A big part of that is how you actually have to travel around it, but I'd argue an even more import part is that narratively the world feels larger than you. When every person walking around the city is a legendary hero of all time it's belittling to the world as a whole.
I've played classic since launch and know most of the stuff already, but still watched your video to the end - very well done! For new players who want to participate in this beautiful game - it is worth it even if you play an hour a day. Noone forces you to level to the cap. If you run slow you actually get to experience more content than players who rush to the end and get bored. There is an easy way to get gold while not playing - there are professions with cooldown (2-3-4 days) that bring very valuable items to the market, and you don't need to be high level to do that. For example, if you invest your money into "Salt shaker" which is made by engineers and level your Leatherworking, you can refine "Deeprock salt" (~5 silver) to "Refined deeprock salt" (~30 gold) by just one click every 3 days. You'll have money for new gear, consumables and mounts which will improve your experience by far
Made me feel really old to hear you explain this to people like they were born yesterday. Because from perspective they were. Damn, all days come to pass. Thank you Josh, such great content on a genre I gave up on years and years ago. Makes me want to go back. I am trying ESO.
I played on the ptr and was reminded of a time when crafting skills mattered to a new player. My pally was able to leave Elwynn with a full suit of bronze including some crafted greens. I could really feel the difference in survivability. Some of my gear was even better than the quest rewards. It was satisfying to return to a time when low level crafting was actually worthwhile.
Grinding in games has always been a hit or miss for me. Done right and it can feel cathartic in a way. Just mind numbing in a good way idk I can’t really describe it. Anyways this is the only game I like grinding in and I’ve played a lot of mmos. I just put on a podcast and get lost in the tedious grind and it’s relaxing
Appart from the sub fee, the only thing keeping me from trying this is the time requirment. When life gets in the way, you can't spend 5-6 hours in a game per day. And the ones you do, must be balanced between what games you would like to play. I like to play minecraft. I also like TF2. I also also like single player games. When a game is forcefullu time demanding....well....it doesn't actually target gamers in general. It targets gamers who play few or only one game. And then the sub fee. We have a game that i am not going to be able to play a lot, but to play it i need to give money. That means, the less time you have or the more variant your interests are, the less sence value wise it makes to play the game. And it is a damn shame, because i wanted to try this badly. I just wish they made it more solo friendly without the rest of the bullshit retail has.
The game is good, because it requires time. If u get what u want, its not the same game, and u would not play it still. If u dont have time to play it, play other games. Maby retail wow. Its basically the game for people whit limited time to play. But its shite.
5-6 hours a night in classic wow still isn't enough most people played 10-12 hours a day to get raid ready or you have spend months. As soon as TBC launched it died blizz was kinda right people didn't really want classic.
@@malygos9301 no. People wanted classic. They loved it. A portion of the playerbase played it for the nostalgia so they would obviously drop out once they got their fix. What TBC did is re-introduce microtransactions - the very reason people escaped retail. Those two factors combined is what caused the playerbase to crash. For raiding you needed around 200 - 300 hours to reach it. You had about a year to do it. It's not unreasonable even if you don't play 6 - 12 hours every day. Season of Mastery still exists and will presumably exist for a while yet. You have plenty of time to get those 300 hours done. You might be able to do it faster if you have help from other people.
In my lengthy gaming life (I played the original Pong), nothing has surpassed the feeling of when I stepped into my first WoW dungeon. The feeling and excitement was absolutely magical.
Hello fellow Ponger. I played WoW back in 2004. My daughter was born in 2005. I stopped playing. She’s now 17. Day after her birthday I purchased a gaming laptop with the intention of playing WoW again. I’ll be 52 in a month. Join me!
Even though the Classic server was grindy, time-consuming, and confusing at times, there was something satisfying about it all that I don't think I could find in the current WoW servers. There was a sense of achievement, you felt like you were growing your character one level and talent at a time. The comparatively lack of fast and instant travel meant that you spent more time journeying through the expansive world, you got to see the world more often. There was a sense of scale of just how big the world was and how tiny you were in the grand scheme of things. It felt like a proper MMORPG. Group content and social interactions actually required social interaction instead of hitting a button to join a queue and then sitting there waiting for your group to land in the group dungeon. There was more unexpected and memorable encounters with other players because everyone was out there in the world more. If I were to return to World of Warcraft today, it would be the Classic server for me all the way.
@@JoshStrifeHayes the Major problem wow classic had was everyone knows everything about the game. If you could take off the add ons, the online strat guides, this game would be back to or surpas the glory it was in 2004 to 06. Back then when i first started playing there were no online guides. My pc I played it on was a gateway with 516mb of hard disk space.
Andre has it perfectly right. You're an adventurer, not saving the world but solving one problem at a time. Most of the time you're paid in nothing but your own loot and reputation that means basically nothing but that's life sometimes. It's a selfemployed, selfdirected adventure and for all its inscrutability the game actually was brilliant.
I tried to play during the Launch - after 10+ years of playing retail and 6 months away. I never could get a character past Level 6. I just got bored. I had gone through Elwynn Forest too many times both pre and post Cata and I just couldn't get excited about doing it again. And none of the other routes even had nostalgia value for me. I gladly let my sub lapse at the end of the month. It is definitely worth playing if you haven't played it and want to - but that wasn't me.
To put it in perspective about being slow: as a new player, it will likely take you about 10 game days to reach max level (which is really about half the journey). So literally 240hrs playing the game just to get to the point where you can START raiding and heavily gearing up. If you only get to play 3hrs a day, that's nearly three months of playing to get to max level, and if you are focused and lucky _only_ another three months to get all the best gear for your character. Comparing to my first run through Dark Souls, where I knew nothing and was completely terrible and didn't know the genre at all... I got my first Gwyn kill within a week. Comparing to modern WoW, in Legion I could have a max lvl 110 character spit out in just about a week and have him geared at a normal raid tier ilvl within another couple of days. 10 days vs six months - that's Classic baby
I keep imagine if someone made a game like WoW classic, but with modern dungeon and raid mechanics to both allow for the epic adventure of leveling and exploring, but also providing a satisfying and hard challenge for a endgame. I cant wait for someone to create that game!
seems like Ashes of Creations is following this road. Maybe New World could also give similar vibe, they are evolving it all the time so we just have to wait and cross fingers :)
Open world social aspects and exploration, and a proactive dev team preventing people from meta gaming and cheesing their way to victory are a must to begin with, even wow classic failed at the last part.
Just play WoW private servers. I personally am playing Project Ascension. It is VERY different than regular WoW and has very hard endgame stuff for players who want it. I LOVE IT. Most fun I've in WoW since 2011
I really love classic I got burned after hitting rank 10 on my warrior, I still consider it to be the best MMORPG as I always felt the world is alive and not revolved around me. Not a single character cares who I am. I love the feeling of a humble adventurer.
God, if I had to pick my favorite game of all time it would be WoW. My wife and I grew up together playing this, and we still stay up to date on new content. However, we burn out fast because of the power creep and the lack of feeling like you're actually getting more powerful at the highest levels nowadays. WoW Classic was a lot of fun for us and I think we got up to lvl 30 before realizing we couldn't dedicate a whole lot of time to it being parents and all. We'll get back to it eventually, but I have to say WoW Classic is a lot more rewarding and feels more challenging because your class roles feel more established, and they require you to actually have interesting move rotations.
Can someone break down what makes it better then bdo or ff14. Ive been looking at videos of wow and classic and its confusing which is better and or if either are worth it
@@kaafflick FF11 is better than FF14. And Wow is on par or better than FF11. I grew up playing FF11 instead of warcraft. But when I went to warcraft I had a hard time going back to ff11. FF11 even after all this time is still run. It just has a certain style to it that aged very well. I still enjoy the intro zone to the alliance in wow.
WoW Classic's ability rotations are not more interesting than modern's rotations...mostly because very few abilities worked off each other in a linear fashion. You ever look at Classic Mage and think "man, look at that rotation. I could never do that"? Probably not, it literally involves like 3 whole buttons, only one of which is a damaging spell. But now look at, for example, a Retail Fire Mage, and how in-depth their rotations can get, thanks to burst windows, aligning dps cooldowns, execution phases, etc.
Your so right about graphics style, i think alot of people nowadays need to remind themselves that games are games, it dosnt need to look like real life, wow classic and old school runescape are 2 amazing games that each found there own ‘niche’ and the graphics defining there style
I think some things get glossed over in graphics. WoW classic looks kind of bad, but everything else about it visually is amazing. Spells and abilities look cool, you have a lot of animations for everything and the animations are really detailed. It's probably the only game I've played where just slugfesting auto-attacks with an NPC, without pressing any buttons, actually looks nice.
I played Pong when I was six. I played WoW back in 2004. My daughter was born in 2005. I stopped playing. She’s now 17. Day after her birthday I purchased a gaming laptop with the intention of playing WoW again. I’ll be 52 in a month. Join me!
I like classic much more than the later versions, the slow progression and long distances to run gives you a feeling of it progressing in real time and makes it much more fun when you do level up or get better!
A side effect of the slow progression is that you know it will take forever to get to top level so you stop and look around, you get bored of lvling and start doing other things in azeroth. Slow progression results in living inside the world in a different way. If anything I wish they made a wow that was even slower and 30% harder endgame.
@@Assi321 Even so, RS3 is a much MUCH bigger grind than Classic WoW. In no way does it rush you to the end game. Classic wow may be 250 hours to max level and the beginning of raiding, but RuneScape, both Old School and 3, are hundreds of hours to max a single skill. I have over 5,000 hours in RuneScape and have only recently maxed all skills. I started playing WoW classic last year and got to 60 in 2 in game weeks, spread over a few months (with a break in the middle). I maxed all skills, both primary and secondary, and it has all been at a new player's pace, no min maxing, no efficient grinding, just casual playing. WoW has absolutely nothing on Runescape's grind and that mention in the video is the only thing I heavily disagree with. I also want to clarify, a bigger grind doesn't mean a better game. I just wanted the facts straight here, RuneScape (both versions) has one of the biggest grinds in gaming, as far as I know, and certainly bigger than any version of WoW.
@@OnTheRocksGamingShow I agree. I have more than 30k hours on both runescapes combined. I have limited experience in wow classic. But depending on what your goal is runescape 3 could be similiar speed to end game-ish content. But overall even runescape private servers where experience rates are hugely boosted will be a lot more grindy than most games.
It's actually a breath of fresh air to go back and enjoy the progression. I hate how all of these modern MMO's rush me to the end-game. I may give this a try and level up a Warlock again.
i hated hunters in classic due to you having to spend money on ammo instead of other stuff i loved my pally it was slower to lvl but it WOULD NOT DIE and you got a free mount which was HUGE
In classic this is more of a meme. I think it's because originally a lot of beginners played hunters because it was easy. When I played classic I was surprised how rare druids and hunters were. The hunters I saw I personally welcomed. The ability to run 30% faster in a dungeon and trap enemies is a great quality of life improvement.
I love seeing the comments, tried Classic again...after...15 years? This game took my whole adolescence. But, yes, it's slow. And that's rewarding! New WoW...have good stuff, but not this feeling.
I have very good memories of WoW in the beginning when ij played back in 2004. Had a lot of time back then i can understand people playing it now, but if want to keep the memories like they are :) and focus on up to date wow which i still enjoy! :D
Slow down You move too fast You gotta make The morning last, just Kickin' down The cobble stones Looking for fun And feeling groovy. -Chen Stormstout 😜
WoW Season of Mastery came out a few weeks ago, and all I have to say is... I'm hooked again. Even with the increased experience gains its still not a breeze levelling quickly, the server I'm on is very well populated (a little TOO populated in places...), the community is mostly very positive (with some people ruining it very loudly), dungeons are good fun and worthwhile even if you get no loot (shocking, I know!) and the prospect of tougher raids is a very good goal to work towards. And the fact it'll only be around for 12 months is a weird positive too.
I grew up with a lot of friends playing WoW but I never did, back in the day. Now, I'm 28 years old and decided to try Classic. I absolutely love it. It's a grind, yeah, and demands a lot of my time, but I have some time now what with Covid and stuff. It's been a nice hobby and something to do with my downtime. I also very recently (last week) started to give Retail a try and it's a totally ENTIRELY different experience. It took me sometime to enjoy it, but now I stay consistent with Retail as well. Thanks for this video! It would be cool for you to do a breakdown of Retail as well for noobs like me, but I understand that that video would be for an extremely niche player population.
At this time i regret spending crazy amounts of time and money in retail because i almost never felt true joy playing it and i dont even remember chatting with anyone about killing a boss, complete isolation, and the general chat is just a shitty mess, so i decided to quit retail for good and go full classic all the way now. And i can say, i've had more fun in a week than ever before.
Started playing on 07 and loved it. If I go on retail now, I don't know what to do tbh it's all over the place. I know where I am in classic, TBC was good too, Wrath as well, but the fun stopped there. If they continue Classic with TBC and Wrath then the 3rd expansion of classic should be completely new and include old Azeroth in some way to keep early zones relevant and busy.
@@dandreas1105 Currently my main is on Mankrik, tons and tons of horde and alliance everywhere i think it's 6k each, other players are patient and willing to help you out throught dungeons and stuff, pretty chill.
the reason wow 2004 was so successful was because of all the reasons you stated. it was slow and difficult. they only ruined it with feature bloat and over complicated it because of the teenagers these days need to get every thing NOW and are not willing to grind for it like we were when we were teenagers in the early 2000's
This is so legit comment, and you forgot that we didn't had so many guides on you tube, everything was new for everyone. New wow kinda loses that warcraft vibes, with ogres, trolls or gnols, now everything is kinda messed up in world,i think that is the reason why people don't like new expansions.
Alright I love MMORPG's Rob Stark but there are some things I'd like to point out: 0:21 yes, the game is amazing if you like challenge/reward (not hand-holding/everyone's a winner crap), I have no history of playing anything similar, I went in cold in Jan 2020 and I got hooked forever, it's not nostalgia alone, the game is genius. 0:55 this isn't the Classic/Vanilla map it's the current "retail" version map, the Classic map is only Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms. 1:03 no they don't, Undead are Horde and start in the Eastern Kingdoms (the continent where the other 3 Alliance races start) and Night Elves are Alliance and start in Kalimdor (the continent where the other 3 Horde races start). 2:10 actually the request for Classic servers began as soon as the Burning Crusade launched, it just got very "loud" from Cataclysm onwards, specially in Warlord of Draenor when the famous "you think you do, but you don't" happened in it's announcement. 3:16 Starting area for Gnomes and Dwarves (Alliance) is the same: Coldridge Valley, Dun Morogh. Starting area for Orcs and Trolls (Horde) is the same: Valley of Trials, southern Durotar. So different races share the same starting area, and no, Humans don't start in Goldshire, they start north of Goldshire in a specific area called Northshire. 4:43 simply not true, mages are kings at killing large groups of enemies, there's a whole thing built around that concept called AoE Leveling which was used by, oh I don't know, the World First Level 60 in Classic: JokerdTV? and even in lower levels where mages don't have the AoE abilities, with polymorph and frost nova mages can easily take up to 3 enemies which I seriously doubt any other class sub level 12 can. So WTF Josh? 5:06 Also if you resurrect at the graveyard you'll have resurrection sickness (as shown) which decreases all attributes by 75% and all damage caused by 75%, so you're basically useless for battle, this is more important than some gear durability you can fix by a quick repair. 5:49 This can easily be fixed by downloading an addOn called Questie, I don't see why not mentioning it since there's clearly addOns in the gameplay shown. 7:00 Fireblast not Fireball 8:02 The teleport (only yourself) reagent is 10s max, that's nothing at level 20. 10:18 Again, mages can solo everything and level fast alone, WF60 JokerdTV, it may take other classes more time but leveling solo is more that doable, some quests here and there might require you to group up quickly with people in the area which is super easy if the area is populated, and dungeons require the holy trinity: 1 tank 1 heal 3 dps, but you can get to 60 without any dungeons at all, just questing alone and/or killing mobs. 13:08 not all quests are eased by grouping, in some cases the quest requires a certain amount of an item, and that item drops once per kill and only for 1 player. 20:33 not really, it starts in the Warcraft RTS games (shown on the left here 21:16 ) Aside from that let me say I have no nostalgia for this game since I never played it originally, I actually never played it at all until January 2020, and I love the graphics I love the music, I love the entire experience, and I'm a guy who can't go back and play GTA san andreas because the game hasn't aged well imo, but WoW Classic is timeless, everything surprised me when I started, the game is truly an unrivaled masterpiece.
One more issue I'd like to add, but isn't completely WoW related, is the mention of RuneScape rushing you to endgame, vs WoW slow grind. This is simply not true, the grind in RuneScape is ten times the grind in WoW. I got my very first character to 60 in a few months with all skills maxed (primary and secondary) with no min maxing, no informed or efficient grinding, just a first time player levelling at a casual pace. Meanwhile, RuneScape is an extremely long grind, for every skill. A single skill in RuneScape can take longer to max than an entire WoW character.
I couldn't get back into WoW Classic. I played from year one, just few months after release and actively played until mid Mists of Pandaria. Cataclysm expansion broke me and I wanted to quit but I soldiered on for the next expansion because of my guild and then I took a long break. Only came back to WoW when new expansion was released to just solo the main quests 'till max level and then just leave 'till next expansion is released. WoW made me both, love and hate playing with other people. I tried a lot of other mmo's and only found one good enough to stick with (TESO) but overall mmo's made me hate playing with others. Recent WOW expansion only make me stay away from the game more and more. I think the Dragon expansion will be my last one as I don't believe Bli$$ard will make it a good experience.
You know, I’m aware that retail has lost some of the social aspects of vanilla, but I guess I’m crazy because I kinda like that. Sometimes I wanna be able to do content without having to deal with people and just play the game quietly and relax.
I wish they updated the graphics when putting this together. Not change it layout and content wise. But updating the trees, grass and so on. Since they arent having to worry about all types of massive content they couldve updated it to make it an even deeper game. Kinda like a New start.
Crazy how what keeps bringing me to classic over retail whenever I take breaks from retail is just how massive the world in classic feels. The world size is significantly smaller than retail but the travelling makes the world seem massive in scope!!
That satiates my curiosity on WoW! My friend circle got into Runescape in the old days (being free was a big plus in Brazil), so I never got into WoW. I don't think the lots of raiding with clans and high player count needed is up my alley though.
When I’m waiting for a respawn I’m always humming Leonard Cohens’ ”Waiting for the Miracle”. Except I’m waiting, waiting for the respawn … to appear. Not playing WoW right now, but when I return, as I’m sure I will, it’ll be for Classic.
Classic was a phenomenal experience for me. It's slow and grindy and missing much of the qualify of life adjustments that modern MMOs learned but it creates a sort of emergent policing. Also, the endgame content has a brilliant balqnce between simplicity and scarcity. I love all of it.
The chart at 1:13. You see how beginning of every expansion there is an increase in subscriptions. Except for the transition between WotLK and Cata. That's because towards the end of WotLK there was an update that killed off many veterans. So while some people came back during Cata release. It couldn't surpass the amount of people who were leaving. It no longer felt like the "classic" wow we loved. After that patch Wow never rebounded and this chart really shows that. I want to play classic but idk if I'm too late.
THANK YOU! So many people say "hurr WoW has shitty music, not like which plays generic JRock during boss fights :DDDD" but there're so many fucking classic tracks in WoW. From the theme that plays in the Barrens, to WotLK's Grizzly Hills theme, to the login music from vanilla through MoP, racial themes, and so on. All marvelous and perfectly balanced between being ambient tracks and strong melodic pieces.
I am going to be getting back in to Classic as it's been a while since i last touched it. I was there at launch up until a few months in and it was real fun as it was though.
It's funny seeing Ian say that they couldn't do cross faction grouping even though every expansion pack had us team up to take down the main bad guy. Although, a few months later they did add cross faction dungeons. I hope we get raids later on.
I was thinking about picking up Final Fantasy X, and the same arguments were raised in my head. I absolutely cannot go back to the way I enjoyed games back then. Time wasn't important, endless summer holidays. Maybe when I'm retired and instead of watching Countdown, I'll be playing Blitzball with the bois.
It won't happen, but I always thought it would be neat to see an alternate timeline where the cataclysm didn't happen (or any other expansion for that matter). Would be really cool if they brought out the expansions, then split off there.
The first time I played in 2004 I guess, I didn't find Ironforge right away. I think I was level 10 when a party member said "Lets go ride the Tram!" I said what? To say I was in shock over the world I found that night would be putting things mildly.
Thank you for making this video. Most WoW Classic youtube content i come across is "Here is why retail is better than classic" and as someone who loves to play classic, I don't want to consume that content just because youtube suggests a video from a "WoW Classic Content Creator" when they are really promoting retail, the game I dont want to consume, and discouraging classic, the game I want to consume!
WoW was the least grindy or slow MMORPG when it was released, meant to be a 'more fun to play' game in the genre. When they screwed up player housing,.....I was gone. The dumbing down of the talent trees was the first strike. I didn't mind things were somewhat grindy. Compared to a lot of the earlier games that it competed with were 2 or more times as slow. Insta-gratification potatoes are going to feel the pain, which I consider a good thing.
About WOW classic being grindy. Now that TBC classic is out one of my absolute favorite moments so far in TBC classic was getting my epic flying mount. After farming the gold for hours and hours and finally being able to buy it. The feeling was amazing.
Damn, I loved this game 15 years ago. I stopped playing right around when the first expansion dropped. No real reason, I just didnt realize that the day before was the last time I would ever play. I was thinking about it recently, and figured the game had gone on without me for too long. Didnt even know classic was a thing. I wonder if my character still exists?
4:20 - It does work in classic if your mage is specced correctly and all the enemies are melee only. Mage AOE farming was quite common. 13:00 - It does tell you, approximately. Red quests are much higher level than you, orange slightly, yellow equal, green slightly lower level, and grey much lower level.
Ah, WoW Classic, giving my wife and I something in common for 5 years. We intentionally played Paladins so we could Tank, DPS, and Heal whenever we wanted and would frankly be the last ones standing in groups.
i was a pally as well and i remember it being the only class that could take an elite mob of same lvl solo and at about lvl 45 could tank about 4-5 mobs with no problem due to mana efficiency and all the oh shit buttons they had
The Corpse run for the Alliance in the game was one of those mistakes, but iconic and kind of fun once you figured it out. Make the run in less than X deaths? It is a win....
I never got into WoW until I started getting bored of Tera (which is a month or 2 by now). I can definitely see the appeal of this game and the nostalgia and with the upcoming expansion of Shadowlands on retail I'm getting high hopes for the longevity for both retail and Classic. They seem to steer more towards what the player wants again and Classic was purely based on that already. There are so many things wrong with some of the older expansions, I doubt they will make the same mistakes again for Classic, but if they do it cant be as bad as Activision does it on the current CoD series. Really good video. Really captured me although I know nothing about Classic. :)
One thing I liked about classic is that there was no quest helper. I am forced to read the quests from start to finish just to know what the hell to do and consequently understanding the lore behind the game. Questhelper destroyed warcraft. I started playing in Wotlk and never bought past MoP but since 2 weeks ago i started classic again and do not intend to play retail
Hello Mr. Hayse or anyone in the comment section, I come from ESO and want to play Wow classic. However is it still popular today? Since so much of the content in the game relies on teamwork I was wondering if people still play at low levels in 2021.
‘Long grindy gameplay’ is not an issue for the WoW classic community... We grew up on that kind of gameplay. And we miss it. Gamers of today will never understand the concept of ‘hard work pays off’ in an online games anymore... Micro transactions have destroyed that. I remember working for weeks just to obtain some shoulder armor that I liked the look of. At 12 years old the sense of achievement once I actually had it in my possession was indescribable...
L N Yes... Exactly. And that’s exactly what WoW classic is. It’s a nostalgic throwback for old gamers who used to play it. So it’s got the customer base for it. I’m not even arguing with your point.
WOW vanilla was amazing. Spent so much time maxing out all of my gear. A soon as Burning Crusade came out all that gear was worthless as rare items were better in BC, that was the end for me.
Once Activision was brought into the mix I stopped playing. Activision has a track record for ruining game companies, glad Bungie gave em a foot in the ass.
Well questing with others means that you must divide the XP you get from killing with the others and that can be more XP than you get from finishing the quest. So it is normal to team up on hard/elite quests and do the other one's solo.
Little did we know COVID would come along and sayTIME.. Pfft.. I shall give you all the TIME in the world! On a side note, I've come to really appreciate time and making the most of it, something that WOW Classic really rewards. I've appreciated the game in its entirety for what it is, a massive self made adventure and it's glorious!
Maybe after the Lich expac they will take a different route and do a new expac that goes hard on the classic theme, a whole new direction…a classic direction. New quest and zones and raids and dungeons but just in the classic setting.
I have been playing this game for soon a year now, I'm a family father with work and the rest, so I do not have much time for games, And I can confirm, this game takes time. if you see the journey as the destination rather than lvling as a sprint to end game, this game will feel like it last forever. I'm lvl 58 now after almost a year of playing on a weekly basis.
I really hoped classic would take the same approach as OSRS. There are so many things I miss about classic but I as a new dad I cannot justify the time spent basically spinning my wheels trying to get to the end game.
11:40 I thought about nitpicking the use of Legion-Vol'jin to represent Classic trolls, but decided to let it fly. But then... Then you used a Blood Elf to represent Paladins in Classic. A race that doesn't exist yet, on a faction that can't yet have Paladins. For shaaaame, Josh. For shaaaaaaaame. Edit: and then I see the absolute joke representation of a Classic shaman... xD (But still bring back this series, pls!!
I love the slow play, but the grind doesn't make sense at times. Get 20 paws. The critter has 4 paws, so 5 critters should do it. Wrong. This is the part of WoW that I didn't like. I can remember killing 105 basilisks to get 20 fangs. OMG. I even struck the silly things from behind to avoid jaw damage, didn't matter LOL.
4:30 You say you cant take on more than one monster at once whilst literally playing one of the only classes that can kite large mobs of monsters for EXP and a tank can but will almost definitely die without a healer
I remember the beta, then the release and pexing my druid to level 60 almost always in solo but for the dungeon and the last 10 level... with healing specialization, it was hard but i liked it even if i would NEVER do it again.
Personally, I am all in for being just one more adventurer in the world. But I fear that might be over with the release of Wrath of The Lich King in Classic.
12:50 yes the quest does tell you the level its the number next to the quest name [17] the peoples militia Thats why its red you are to low level for it
respect this man for literally putting the answer in the title
I dislike videos that don't.
@@JoshStrifeHayes I watched and liked just for title
respectus maximale
I subbed just off that I respect that move so much
@@Probablyafed your time is valuable, the answer in the title just helps.
I was an OG wow player who stopped around the Burning Crusade and revisited it once post Lich King. I was SO surprised they added quest markers and made dungeons easy to teleport to. Some of my favorite moments were begging barons chat to help me find quest targets or sneaking through enemy territory to get to a opposite faction dungeon with some people I met in a hub. The changes arent bad, but those were good times.
I personally love the slow, grindy, and overall more social wow classic
I hate that i never really got into the game on release day bc rn i almost never find another player in the open
@Wizzykin tbh when i started to play wow classic every person i met was being toxic and cocky and that put me off it but i gave it one more chance and tbh alot of people have changed and i love that :)
@@birb7497 is it worth playing now or is it dead?
@@syrus1233 I wouldn't say that it is dead. It is just that u won't find as many players in the open world anymore
What you just said is nonsense, Mankrik server is crazy populated rn, i'm Horde and there is players everywhere at the point of having to wait for mobs to respawn, and you always find someone to help you with though enemies.
What I miss most of all from classic wow was the buffs, you could talk to somoene or trade with them or maybe even group with them. But when you are alone, running down some abandoned forest trail and you see another player you had one goal, buff him, help him. It got the point it reminded me of the Knights of Old raising their visors to salute each other. It was a hello, a salute and your respect for that player all rolled up into 100 mana, and I miss it. :(
"I for one am so relieved not to be the chosen one"
YES, I've been saying this about wow classic for years. It's one of the most immersive worlds I've ever inhabited because it feels so large. A big part of that is how you actually have to travel around it, but I'd argue an even more import part is that narratively the world feels larger than you. When every person walking around the city is a legendary hero of all time it's belittling to the world as a whole.
I've played classic since launch and know most of the stuff already, but still watched your video to the end - very well done!
For new players who want to participate in this beautiful game - it is worth it even if you play an hour a day. Noone forces you to level to the cap. If you run slow you actually get to experience more content than players who rush to the end and get bored.
There is an easy way to get gold while not playing - there are professions with cooldown (2-3-4 days) that bring very valuable items to the market, and you don't need to be high level to do that.
For example, if you invest your money into "Salt shaker" which is made by engineers and level your Leatherworking, you can refine "Deeprock salt" (~5 silver) to "Refined deeprock salt" (~30 gold) by just one click every 3 days. You'll have money for new gear, consumables and mounts which will improve your experience by far
I look forward to returning to it, but I am waiting until Microsoft owns it and cleans house.
Made me feel really old to hear you explain this to people like they were born yesterday. Because from perspective they were. Damn, all days come to pass.
Thank you Josh, such great content on a genre I gave up on years and years ago. Makes me want to go back. I am trying ESO.
I played on the ptr and was reminded of a time when crafting skills mattered to a new player. My pally was able to leave Elwynn with a full suit of bronze including some crafted greens. I could really feel the difference in survivability. Some of my gear was even better than the quest rewards. It was satisfying to return to a time when low level crafting was actually worthwhile.
Grinding in games has always been a hit or miss for me. Done right and it can feel cathartic in a way. Just mind numbing in a good way idk I can’t really describe it. Anyways this is the only game I like grinding in and I’ve played a lot of mmos. I just put on a podcast and get lost in the tedious grind and it’s relaxing
I agree. When I don't play for a while it's the grinding I start missing. It's just a good way to relax, sometimes.
Can‘t understand it because WoW has basically the most boring grind of all MMO‘s
@@TheMCmace Maybe that's it? It's so boring that your brain turns off the game 100% and you can just do something else?
Appart from the sub fee, the only thing keeping me from trying this is the time requirment. When life gets in the way, you can't spend 5-6 hours in a game per day.
And the ones you do, must be balanced between what games you would like to play. I like to play minecraft. I also like TF2. I also also like single player games. When a game is forcefullu time demanding....well....it doesn't actually target gamers in general. It targets gamers who play few or only one game.
And then the sub fee. We have a game that i am not going to be able to play a lot, but to play it i need to give money. That means, the less time you have or the more variant your interests are, the less sence value wise it makes to play the game. And it is a damn shame, because i wanted to try this badly. I just wish they made it more solo friendly without the rest of the bullshit retail has.
The game is good, because it requires time. If u get what u want, its not the same game, and u would not play it still. If u dont have time to play it, play other games. Maby retail wow. Its basically the game for people whit limited time to play. But its shite.
5-6 hours a night in classic wow still isn't enough most people played 10-12 hours a day to get raid ready or you have spend months. As soon as TBC launched it died blizz was kinda right people didn't really want classic.
@@malygos9301 no. People wanted classic. They loved it. A portion of the playerbase played it for the nostalgia so they would obviously drop out once they got their fix.
What TBC did is re-introduce microtransactions - the very reason people escaped retail. Those two factors combined is what caused the playerbase to crash.
For raiding you needed around 200 - 300 hours to reach it. You had about a year to do it. It's not unreasonable even if you don't play 6 - 12 hours every day.
Season of Mastery still exists and will presumably exist for a while yet. You have plenty of time to get those 300 hours done. You might be able to do it faster if you have help from other people.
In my lengthy gaming life (I played the original Pong), nothing has surpassed the feeling of when I stepped into my first WoW dungeon. The feeling and excitement was absolutely magical.
Hello fellow Ponger. I played WoW back in 2004. My daughter was born in 2005. I stopped playing. She’s now 17. Day after her birthday I purchased a gaming laptop with the intention of playing WoW again. I’ll be 52 in a month. Join me!
@@vulturevic
How did your plan pan out? Do you play? Does your daughter?
Even though the Classic server was grindy, time-consuming, and confusing at times, there was something satisfying about it all that I don't think I could find in the current WoW servers.
There was a sense of achievement, you felt like you were growing your character one level and talent at a time. The comparatively lack of fast and instant travel meant that you spent more time journeying through the expansive world, you got to see the world more often. There was a sense of scale of just how big the world was and how tiny you were in the grand scheme of things. It felt like a proper MMORPG.
Group content and social interactions actually required social interaction instead of hitting a button to join a queue and then sitting there waiting for your group to land in the group dungeon. There was more unexpected and memorable encounters with other players because everyone was out there in the world more.
If I were to return to World of Warcraft today, it would be the Classic server for me all the way.
I agree, i do miss playing wow classic.
@Brian I can agree with you on that, after watching videos like this: ua-cam.com/video/uj0wSwE8szE/v-deo.html
@@JoshStrifeHayes the Major problem wow classic had was everyone knows everything about the game. If you could take off the add ons, the online strat guides, this game would be back to or surpas the glory it was in 2004 to 06. Back then when i first started playing there were no online guides. My pc I played it on was a gateway with 516mb of hard disk space.
You make classic wow sound like its a chore . Your making me salivate wanting to play.
It’s definitely a job. But it’s a job everyone loves and you’re your own boss. The best.
Andre has it perfectly right. You're an adventurer, not saving the world but solving one problem at a time. Most of the time you're paid in nothing but your own loot and reputation that means basically nothing but that's life sometimes. It's a selfemployed, selfdirected adventure and for all its inscrutability the game actually was brilliant.
I tried to play during the Launch - after 10+ years of playing retail and 6 months away.
I never could get a character past Level 6. I just got bored. I had gone through Elwynn Forest too many times both pre and post Cata and I just couldn't get excited about doing it again. And none of the other routes even had nostalgia value for me. I gladly let my sub lapse at the end of the month.
It is definitely worth playing if you haven't played it and want to - but that wasn't me.
@Adam Pattinson I could have made an Orc, I guess, but I have always gravitated toward Alliance.
To put it in perspective about being slow: as a new player, it will likely take you about 10 game days to reach max level (which is really about half the journey). So literally 240hrs playing the game just to get to the point where you can START raiding and heavily gearing up. If you only get to play 3hrs a day, that's nearly three months of playing to get to max level, and if you are focused and lucky _only_ another three months to get all the best gear for your character.
Comparing to my first run through Dark Souls, where I knew nothing and was completely terrible and didn't know the genre at all... I got my first Gwyn kill within a week. Comparing to modern WoW, in Legion I could have a max lvl 110 character spit out in just about a week and have him geared at a normal raid tier ilvl within another couple of days. 10 days vs six months - that's Classic baby
I mean boring content shortend to 10 days from 6 month is a good thing
I keep imagine if someone made a game like WoW classic, but with modern dungeon and raid mechanics to both allow for the epic adventure of leveling and exploring, but also providing a satisfying and hard challenge for a endgame. I cant wait for someone to create that game!
seems like Ashes of Creations is following this road. Maybe New World could also give similar vibe, they are evolving it all the time so we just have to wait and cross fingers :)
Open world social aspects and exploration, and a proactive dev team preventing people from meta gaming and cheesing their way to victory are a must to begin with, even wow classic failed at the last part.
@@SiopeR here from the future. New Word was a big flop.
Just play WoW private servers. I personally am playing Project Ascension. It is VERY different than regular WoW and has very hard endgame stuff for players who want it. I LOVE IT. Most fun I've in WoW since 2011
I really love classic I got burned after hitting rank 10 on my warrior, I still consider it to be the best MMORPG as I always felt the world is alive and not revolved around me. Not a single character cares who I am. I love the feeling of a humble adventurer.
Id agree, the feeling that you dont matter is actually quite nice, you have to earn your place.
God, if I had to pick my favorite game of all time it would be WoW. My wife and I grew up together playing this, and we still stay up to date on new content. However, we burn out fast because of the power creep and the lack of feeling like you're actually getting more powerful at the highest levels nowadays. WoW Classic was a lot of fun for us and I think we got up to lvl 30 before realizing we couldn't dedicate a whole lot of time to it being parents and all. We'll get back to it eventually, but I have to say WoW Classic is a lot more rewarding and feels more challenging because your class roles feel more established, and they require you to actually have interesting move rotations.
Can someone break down what makes it better then bdo or ff14. Ive been looking at videos of wow and classic and its confusing which is better and or if either are worth it
@@kaafflick FF11 is better than FF14. And Wow is on par or better than FF11.
I grew up playing FF11 instead of warcraft. But when I went to warcraft I had a hard time going back to ff11. FF11 even after all this time is still run. It just has a certain style to it that aged very well.
I still enjoy the intro zone to the alliance in wow.
WoW Classic's ability rotations are not more interesting than modern's rotations...mostly because very few abilities worked off each other in a linear fashion.
You ever look at Classic Mage and think "man, look at that rotation. I could never do that"? Probably not, it literally involves like 3 whole buttons, only one of which is a damaging spell. But now look at, for example, a Retail Fire Mage, and how in-depth their rotations can get, thanks to burst windows, aligning dps cooldowns, execution phases, etc.
Your so right about graphics style, i think alot of people nowadays need to remind themselves that games are games, it dosnt need to look like real life, wow classic and old school runescape are 2 amazing games that each found there own ‘niche’ and the graphics defining there style
I think some things get glossed over in graphics. WoW classic looks kind of bad, but everything else about it visually is amazing. Spells and abilities look cool, you have a lot of animations for everything and the animations are really detailed.
It's probably the only game I've played where just slugfesting auto-attacks with an NPC, without pressing any buttons, actually looks nice.
I played Pong when I was six. I played WoW back in 2004. My daughter was born in 2005. I stopped playing. She’s now 17. Day after her birthday I purchased a gaming laptop with the intention of playing WoW again. I’ll be 52 in a month. Join me!
I like classic much more than the later versions, the slow progression and long distances to run gives you a feeling of it progressing in real time and makes it much more fun when you do level up or get better!
But I do have a program installed so that I can see where to take quests and so on, otherwise it would be way too hard to know where to go! 🤣
A side effect of the slow progression is that you know it will take forever to get to top level so you stop and look around, you get bored of lvling and start doing other things in azeroth. Slow progression results in living inside the world in a different way. If anything I wish they made a wow that was even slower and 30% harder endgame.
this is genuinely one of the most in depth and newbie friendly guides for WoW: Classic - still holds up 2 years on!
"Most games rush you through the early game to get to the endgame content quicker" *Shows Runescape* 😰
runescape 3, which is known to be much, much quicker than old school runescape
@@Assi321 Even so, RS3 is a much MUCH bigger grind than Classic WoW. In no way does it rush you to the end game. Classic wow may be 250 hours to max level and the beginning of raiding, but RuneScape, both Old School and 3, are hundreds of hours to max a single skill. I have over 5,000 hours in RuneScape and have only recently maxed all skills. I started playing WoW classic last year and got to 60 in 2 in game weeks, spread over a few months (with a break in the middle). I maxed all skills, both primary and secondary, and it has all been at a new player's pace, no min maxing, no efficient grinding, just casual playing. WoW has absolutely nothing on Runescape's grind and that mention in the video is the only thing I heavily disagree with.
I also want to clarify, a bigger grind doesn't mean a better game. I just wanted the facts straight here, RuneScape (both versions) has one of the biggest grinds in gaming, as far as I know, and certainly bigger than any version of WoW.
@@OnTheRocksGamingShow I agree. I have more than 30k hours on both runescapes combined. I have limited experience in wow classic. But depending on what your goal is runescape 3 could be similiar speed to end game-ish content. But overall even runescape private servers where experience rates are hugely boosted will be a lot more grindy than most games.
It's actually a breath of fresh air to go back and enjoy the progression. I hate how all of these modern MMO's rush me to the end-game. I may give this a try and level up a Warlock again.
I love the air-taxis in WoW, so chill to just watch things fly by or alternately a good time to go get a drink or use the restroom.
The Hunter was the preferred solo class and somewhat faster to level, but they usually had a bad reputation in groups.
i hated hunters in classic due to you having to spend money on ammo instead of other stuff i loved my pally it was slower to lvl but it WOULD NOT DIE and you got a free mount which was HUGE
In classic this is more of a meme. I think it's because originally a lot of beginners played hunters because it was easy. When I played classic I was surprised how rare druids and hunters were. The hunters I saw I personally welcomed. The ability to run 30% faster in a dungeon and trap enemies is a great quality of life improvement.
I love seeing the comments, tried Classic again...after...15 years? This game took my whole adolescence. But, yes, it's slow. And that's rewarding! New WoW...have good stuff, but not this feeling.
I have very good memories of WoW in the beginning when ij played back in 2004. Had a lot of time back then i can understand people playing it now, but if want to keep the memories like they are :) and focus on up to date wow which i still enjoy! :D
slow and steady is the way to go. Stop rushing yourself, enjoy, take it easy! it's a relaxing experience.
Slow down
You move too fast
You gotta make
The morning last, just
Kickin' down
The cobble stones
Looking for fun
And feeling groovy. -Chen Stormstout 😜
100%!
WoW Season of Mastery came out a few weeks ago, and all I have to say is... I'm hooked again. Even with the increased experience gains its still not a breeze levelling quickly, the server I'm on is very well populated (a little TOO populated in places...), the community is mostly very positive (with some people ruining it very loudly), dungeons are good fun and worthwhile even if you get no loot (shocking, I know!) and the prospect of tougher raids is a very good goal to work towards. And the fact it'll only be around for 12 months is a weird positive too.
I grew up with a lot of friends playing WoW but I never did, back in the day. Now, I'm 28 years old and decided to try Classic. I absolutely love it. It's a grind, yeah, and demands a lot of my time, but I have some time now what with Covid and stuff. It's been a nice hobby and something to do with my downtime.
I also very recently (last week) started to give Retail a try and it's a totally ENTIRELY different experience. It took me sometime to enjoy it, but now I stay consistent with Retail as well.
Thanks for this video! It would be cool for you to do a breakdown of Retail as well for noobs like me, but I understand that that video would be for an extremely niche player population.
I skipped to the end so this man could get his ad money
Thank you
At this time i regret spending crazy amounts of time and money in retail because i almost never felt true joy playing it and i dont even remember chatting with anyone about killing a boss, complete isolation, and the general chat is just a shitty mess, so i decided to quit retail for good and go full classic all the way now. And i can say, i've had more fun in a week than ever before.
Started playing on 07 and loved it. If I go on retail now, I don't know what to do tbh it's all over the place. I know where I am in classic, TBC was good too, Wrath as well, but the fun stopped there. If they continue Classic with TBC and Wrath then the 3rd expansion of classic should be completely new and include old Azeroth in some way to keep early zones relevant and busy.
What server you rolled?, im having hard time in faerlina as a newbie.
@@dandreas1105 Currently my main is on Mankrik, tons and tons of horde and alliance everywhere i think it's 6k each, other players are patient and willing to help you out throught dungeons and stuff, pretty chill.
@@henrikmonkee Thanks anyways, just canceled my subscription, because barely find people to play with
Watching this video gave me pure nostalgia
“Quest says go west.... you’re just walkin west u til you find whatever you might need”. 🤣🤣 my favorite part of the video. Lmfao
I just love hear you talking
the reason wow 2004 was so successful was because of all the reasons you stated. it was slow and difficult. they only ruined it with feature bloat and over complicated it because of the teenagers these days need to get every thing NOW and are not willing to grind for it like we were when we were teenagers in the early 2000's
This is so legit comment, and you forgot that we didn't had so many guides on you tube, everything was new for everyone. New wow kinda loses that warcraft vibes, with ogres, trolls or gnols, now everything is kinda messed up in world,i think that is the reason why people don't like new expansions.
it's not teenager's fault that people making money noticed that instant gratification is much better for bigger profits.
boomer energy is strong within this one
@@jock4551 the secret the porn industry has known all long.
@@123n704123 Ain't nothing wrong with that. Hell I'm 21 and I feel like a boomer the way things have changed last 10 years 😅
Bought a new pc, and I literally just have wow classic on it. Play about 4 hours give or take on the weekdays and I only took a 2 week break from it.
Alright I love MMORPG's Rob Stark but there are some things I'd like to point out:
0:21 yes, the game is amazing if you like challenge/reward (not hand-holding/everyone's a winner crap), I have no history of playing anything similar, I went in cold in Jan 2020 and I got hooked forever, it's not nostalgia alone, the game is genius.
0:55 this isn't the Classic/Vanilla map it's the current "retail" version map, the Classic map is only Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms.
1:03 no they don't, Undead are Horde and start in the Eastern Kingdoms (the continent where the other 3 Alliance races start) and Night Elves are Alliance and start in Kalimdor (the continent where the other 3 Horde races start).
2:10 actually the request for Classic servers began as soon as the Burning Crusade launched, it just got very "loud" from Cataclysm onwards, specially in Warlord of Draenor when the famous "you think you do, but you don't" happened in it's announcement.
3:16 Starting area for Gnomes and Dwarves (Alliance) is the same: Coldridge Valley, Dun Morogh. Starting area for Orcs and Trolls (Horde) is the same: Valley of Trials, southern Durotar. So different races share the same starting area, and no, Humans don't start in Goldshire, they start north of Goldshire in a specific area called Northshire.
4:43 simply not true, mages are kings at killing large groups of enemies, there's a whole thing built around that concept called AoE Leveling which was used by, oh I don't know, the World First Level 60 in Classic: JokerdTV? and even in lower levels where mages don't have the AoE abilities, with polymorph and frost nova mages can easily take up to 3 enemies which I seriously doubt any other class sub level 12 can. So WTF Josh?
5:06 Also if you resurrect at the graveyard you'll have resurrection sickness (as shown) which decreases all attributes by 75% and all damage caused by 75%, so you're basically useless for battle, this is more important than some gear durability you can fix by a quick repair.
5:49 This can easily be fixed by downloading an addOn called Questie, I don't see why not mentioning it since there's clearly addOns in the gameplay shown.
7:00 Fireblast not Fireball
8:02 The teleport (only yourself) reagent is 10s max, that's nothing at level 20.
10:18 Again, mages can solo everything and level fast alone, WF60 JokerdTV, it may take other classes more time but leveling solo is more that doable, some quests here and there might require you to group up quickly with people in the area which is super easy if the area is populated, and dungeons require the holy trinity: 1 tank 1 heal 3 dps, but you can get to 60 without any dungeons at all, just questing alone and/or killing mobs.
13:08 not all quests are eased by grouping, in some cases the quest requires a certain amount of an item, and that item drops once per kill and only for 1 player.
20:33 not really, it starts in the Warcraft RTS games (shown on the left here 21:16 )
Aside from that let me say I have no nostalgia for this game since I never played it originally, I actually never played it at all until January 2020, and I love the graphics I love the music, I love the entire experience, and I'm a guy who can't go back and play GTA san andreas because the game hasn't aged well imo, but WoW Classic is timeless, everything surprised me when I started, the game is truly an unrivaled masterpiece.
This comment addressed 100% of the issues I had with this video. Thank you for sparing me a ton of typing. Hit the nail on the head.
One more issue I'd like to add, but isn't completely WoW related, is the mention of RuneScape rushing you to endgame, vs WoW slow grind. This is simply not true, the grind in RuneScape is ten times the grind in WoW. I got my very first character to 60 in a few months with all skills maxed (primary and secondary) with no min maxing, no informed or efficient grinding, just a first time player levelling at a casual pace. Meanwhile, RuneScape is an extremely long grind, for every skill. A single skill in RuneScape can take longer to max than an entire WoW character.
using post cataclysm screenshots and art as an example of what classic was like is a cheeky thing indeed ;)
I couldn't get back into WoW Classic. I played from year one, just few months after release and actively played until mid Mists of Pandaria. Cataclysm expansion broke me and I wanted to quit but I soldiered on for the next expansion because of my guild and then I took a long break. Only came back to WoW when new expansion was released to just solo the main quests 'till max level and then just leave 'till next expansion is released.
WoW made me both, love and hate playing with other people. I tried a lot of other mmo's and only found one good enough to stick with (TESO) but overall mmo's made me hate playing with others.
Recent WOW expansion only make me stay away from the game more and more. I think the Dragon expansion will be my last one as I don't believe Bli$$ard will make it a good experience.
You know, I’m aware that retail has lost some of the social aspects of vanilla, but I guess I’m crazy because I kinda like that. Sometimes I wanna be able to do content without having to deal with people and just play the game quietly and relax.
I was soooo pumped for this! Got to like level 10 2 months later and was done
Damn i love your video bro! I have a few friends who are starting wow one is returning vet and i cant wait to get my pc and start my quest!
I wish they updated the graphics when putting this together.
Not change it layout and content wise. But updating the trees, grass and so on.
Since they arent having to worry about all types of massive content they couldve
updated it to make it an even deeper game.
Kinda like a New start.
Crazy how what keeps bringing me to classic over retail whenever I take breaks from retail is just how massive the world in classic feels. The world size is significantly smaller than retail but the travelling makes the world seem massive in scope!!
That satiates my curiosity on WoW! My friend circle got into Runescape in the old days (being free was a big plus in Brazil), so I never got into WoW. I don't think the lots of raiding with clans and high player count needed is up my alley though.
I like classic!! I loved leveling each class. Makes me want to buy a PC. Just to play
Come to bigglesworth horde. Join my guild
This game sounds amazing. When's it coming out??
Simple answer, yes. It's worth the experience.
When I’m waiting for a respawn I’m always humming Leonard Cohens’ ”Waiting for the Miracle”. Except I’m waiting, waiting for the respawn … to appear. Not playing WoW right now, but when I return, as I’m sure I will, it’ll be for Classic.
Classic was a phenomenal experience for me. It's slow and grindy and missing much of the qualify of life adjustments that modern MMOs learned but it creates a sort of emergent policing.
Also, the endgame content has a brilliant balqnce between simplicity and scarcity. I love all of it.
One of the best reveiws ive ever seen. Awesome man
The chart at 1:13. You see how beginning of every expansion there is an increase in subscriptions. Except for the transition between WotLK and Cata. That's because towards the end of WotLK there was an update that killed off many veterans. So while some people came back during Cata release. It couldn't surpass the amount of people who were leaving. It no longer felt like the "classic" wow we loved. After that patch Wow never rebounded and this chart really shows that.
I want to play classic but idk if I'm too late.
you weren't. Might be now.
Classic WoW is still live, but it's different. The nostalgia players have left it.
I just love that the image used for "paladin" is a blood elf fury warrior dual wielding two Frostmournes :D
THANK YOU! So many people say "hurr WoW has shitty music, not like which plays generic JRock during boss fights :DDDD" but there're so many fucking classic tracks in WoW. From the theme that plays in the Barrens, to WotLK's Grizzly Hills theme, to the login music from vanilla through MoP, racial themes, and so on. All marvelous and perfectly balanced between being ambient tracks and strong melodic pieces.
I am going to be getting back in to Classic as it's been a while since i last touched it. I was there at launch up until a few months in and it was real fun as it was though.
It's funny seeing Ian say that they couldn't do cross faction grouping even though every expansion pack had us team up to take down the main bad guy. Although, a few months later they did add cross faction dungeons. I hope we get raids later on.
I mostly played during BFA but still had a great time in classic
I was thinking about picking up Final Fantasy X, and the same arguments were raised in my head. I absolutely cannot go back to the way I enjoyed games back then. Time wasn't important, endless summer holidays.
Maybe when I'm retired and instead of watching Countdown, I'll be playing Blitzball with the bois.
It won't happen, but I always thought it would be neat to see an alternate timeline where the cataclysm didn't happen (or any other expansion for that matter). Would be really cool if they brought out the expansions, then split off there.
It happen
Very thoroughly explained! Congrats!
The first time I played in 2004 I guess, I didn't find Ironforge right away. I think I was level 10 when a party member said "Lets go ride the Tram!" I said what? To say I was in shock over the world I found that night would be putting things mildly.
Thank you for making this video. Most WoW Classic youtube content i come across is "Here is why retail is better than classic" and as someone who loves to play classic, I don't want to consume that content just because youtube suggests a video from a "WoW Classic Content Creator" when they are really promoting retail, the game I dont want to consume, and discouraging classic, the game I want to consume!
WoW was the least grindy or slow MMORPG when it was released, meant to be a 'more fun to play' game in the genre. When they screwed up player housing,.....I was gone. The dumbing down of the talent trees was the first strike. I didn't mind things were somewhat grindy. Compared to a lot of the earlier games that it competed with were 2 or more times as slow. Insta-gratification potatoes are going to feel the pain, which I consider a good thing.
About WOW classic being grindy. Now that TBC classic is out one of my absolute favorite moments so far in TBC classic was getting my epic flying mount. After farming the gold for hours and hours and finally being able to buy it. The feeling was amazing.
Damn, I loved this game 15 years ago. I stopped playing right around when the first expansion dropped. No real reason, I just didnt realize that the day before was the last time I would ever play. I was thinking about it recently, and figured the game had gone on without me for too long. Didnt even know classic was a thing. I wonder if my character still exists?
If you can find the same account yeah it exists but with level squishes and stuff you'll be a different level
4:20 - It does work in classic if your mage is specced correctly and all the enemies are melee only. Mage AOE farming was quite common.
13:00 - It does tell you, approximately. Red quests are much higher level than you, orange slightly, yellow equal, green slightly lower level, and grey much lower level.
Ah, WoW Classic, giving my wife and I something in common for 5 years. We intentionally played Paladins so we could Tank, DPS, and Heal whenever we wanted and would frankly be the last ones standing in groups.
i was a pally as well and i remember it being the only class that could take an elite mob of same lvl solo and at about lvl 45 could tank about 4-5 mobs with no problem due to mana efficiency and all the oh shit buttons they had
Very in-depth and informative. Any chance of a Dark Age of Camelot review?
Likely appearing on the 'worst mmo ever' series as ill judge it from todays standards.
The Corpse run for the Alliance in the game was one of those mistakes, but iconic and kind of fun once you figured it out. Make the run in less than X deaths? It is a win....
I never got into WoW until I started getting bored of Tera (which is a month or 2 by now). I can definitely see the appeal of this game and the nostalgia and with the upcoming expansion of Shadowlands on retail I'm getting high hopes for the longevity for both retail and Classic. They seem to steer more towards what the player wants again and Classic was purely based on that already. There are so many things wrong with some of the older expansions, I doubt they will make the same mistakes again for Classic, but if they do it cant be as bad as Activision does it on the current CoD series.
Really good video. Really captured me although I know nothing about Classic. :)
This is how I remember playing WoW. You had to add mods to make it more "modern" if you will. It took me almost a week of questing to get my mount.
One thing I liked about classic is that there was no quest helper. I am forced to read the quests from start to finish just to know what the hell to do and consequently understanding the lore behind the game. Questhelper destroyed warcraft. I started playing in Wotlk and never bought past MoP but since 2 weeks ago i started classic again and do not intend to play retail
Hello Mr. Hayse or anyone in the comment section, I come from ESO and want to play Wow classic. However is it still popular today? Since so much of the content in the game relies on teamwork I was wondering if people still play at low levels in 2021.
‘Long grindy gameplay’ is not an issue for the WoW classic community... We grew up on that kind of gameplay. And we miss it. Gamers of today will never understand the concept of ‘hard work pays off’ in an online games anymore... Micro transactions have destroyed that.
I remember working for weeks just to obtain some shoulder armor that I liked the look of. At 12 years old the sense of achievement once I actually had it in my possession was indescribable...
Dude u enjoyed that only because u were a kid back then. It's nostalgia and nothing more.
L N Yes... Exactly. And that’s exactly what WoW classic is. It’s a nostalgic throwback for old gamers who used to play it. So it’s got the customer base for it. I’m not even arguing with your point.
WOW vanilla was amazing. Spent so much time maxing out all of my gear. A soon as Burning Crusade came out all that gear was worthless as rare items were better in BC, that was the end for me.
Talking about the old quest system and how it doesn't share certain information..while having questie in his footage. My man.
Once Activision was brought into the mix I stopped playing. Activision has a track record for ruining game companies, glad Bungie gave em a foot in the ass.
Well questing with others means that you must divide the XP you get from killing with the others and that can be more XP than you get from finishing the quest. So it is normal to team up on hard/elite quests and do the other one's solo.
Little did we know COVID would come along and sayTIME.. Pfft.. I shall give you all the TIME in the world! On a side note, I've come to really appreciate time and making the most of it, something that WOW Classic really rewards. I've appreciated the game in its entirety for what it is, a massive self made adventure and it's glorious!
Maybe after the Lich expac they will take a different route and do a new expac that goes hard on the classic theme, a whole new direction…a classic direction. New quest and zones and raids and dungeons but just in the classic setting.
Smaller numbers usually seem to make a bigger difference in RPG's. I like!
I have been playing this game for soon a year now, I'm a family father with work and the rest, so I do not have much time for games, And I can confirm, this game takes time. if you see the journey as the destination rather than lvling as a sprint to end game, this game will feel like it last forever. I'm lvl 58 now after almost a year of playing on a weekly basis.
I really hoped classic would take the same approach as OSRS. There are so many things I miss about classic but I as a new dad I cannot justify the time spent basically spinning my wheels trying to get to the end game.
28:00 "A time when was more about the adventure, and less about the end game"...
Do most people play WOW with MMO mouse ?
i never got why people made the nostalgia argument, most people i know in classic didnt even play back in 2006.
11:40 I thought about nitpicking the use of Legion-Vol'jin to represent Classic trolls, but decided to let it fly. But then... Then you used a Blood Elf to represent Paladins in Classic. A race that doesn't exist yet, on a faction that can't yet have Paladins. For shaaaame, Josh. For shaaaaaaaame.
Edit: and then I see the absolute joke representation of a Classic shaman... xD
(But still bring back this series, pls!!
I love the slow play, but the grind doesn't make sense at times. Get 20 paws. The critter has 4 paws, so 5 critters should do it. Wrong. This is the part of WoW that I didn't like. I can remember killing 105 basilisks to get 20 fangs. OMG. I even struck the silly things from behind to avoid jaw damage, didn't matter LOL.
4:30 You say you cant take on more than one monster at once whilst literally playing one of the only classes that can kite large mobs of monsters for EXP and a tank can but will almost definitely die without a healer
I could only kite once i have the aoe and freezing spells, early game youre limited to 1 monster.
Yeah but you didn't clarify that.. by I think lvl 20 you get AoE skills then you can farm mobs for days
Whats the highest level you have on classic?
@@pingapete666 i think i reached about 50 with a mage, was a fun game, shame i didn't have more free time to keep playing.
Regarding graphics, they could easily upgrade the texture quality and the quality of the landscapes mesh... both would not change the chunky stile...
It's sad classic died. Really wish we could see Classic +. SoM announced and soon, but idk, im skeptical
I remember the beta, then the release and pexing my druid to level 60 almost always in solo but for the dungeon and the last 10 level... with healing specialization, it was hard but i liked it even if i would NEVER do it again.
Would be interested in seeing how new videos in this series would work out for ya. Personally, I enjoyed it and would like more.
Even as early as TBC, the first expansion, Blizzard had taken the wrong path toward the demise of this amazing game.
But Wrath of the Lich King was the apex I think.
I played through Kronos3 up until killing Cthun, but still enjoyed watching this!
This makes me realize how much of my life was Ironforge back in the day
Personally, I am all in for being just one more adventurer in the world. But I fear that might be over with the release of Wrath of The Lich King in Classic.
12:50 yes the quest does tell you the level its the number next to the quest name
[17] the peoples militia
Thats why its red you are to low level for it