Cool- my boss built his own house with heating like this in the 70's; heated it with a wood/oil furnace for an example. Worked great. Everybody thought he was crazy. The heating system was changed in the 80's to electric baseboards-common around here. Doubt the people there now even know about the original system they are walking on. He used actual duct work(was heavier back then). Once the concrete dried the cavity remained. The cement would radiate heat for days.
If you’re spending $1,200/month on propane, you need to close your windows and doors. I heat 3,000 square feet of home for less than $1,500/ WINTER! Admittedly, I only live in Canada…🙄
I heard that too. $1200/ month for propane heat is insane. I'm in Ontario canada. Not crazy cold, comparatively but $2000 would cover my cost for an entire year of heat and I'm continually thinking of cheaper options.
Not a new idea, I lived off base back in 85 when I was stationed in Korea and we used a coal brick call Ahndal and a little fan. Same idea only they used copper plumbing. Made sleeping on the floor very comfortable.
Live in Northern Sweden and do ground work, including concrete slabs. I have never seen this type of system or even heard about any houses up here having it. It might be a good design, but not very commonly used.
The Romans be like: “hello!, it’s called a ‘hypocaust’ system. Yeah, we invented it.” Nevertheless, this is an awesome system that I’ll be using in the near future. 👍👍
No Footings? OK what about an assessment of soil conditions and applied buildings loads...very doubtful about this. What about soil heave, what about overland water flow washing out gravel under the polystyrene...
@@theleiteone83 That’s what we were commenting about, was that fact that the Neighbors were Spending a Insane Amount for Propane every month. Most Americans couldn’t afford a Propane Bill that is a Small House Payment.
@@AdirondackHomestead I’m not totally closed minded I starte d heating and a/c as a job since 1995 and doing mainly infloor / snowmelt and high velocity air handlers as a now current job. So I install 1/2 rehau pipe for infloor on 6’’ center along the perimeter and 12’’ center for interior with a lochinvar boiler. I realize that heat can come from below but they are saying that it heats with 10btu’s /sqft which isn’t really a lot (a person gives off 400btu/hr). It is also a slab on grade build so you can’t turn off the heat. Which means they expect some heat to travel downward. How much of the 10btus is expected to go down and then realistically what is left to go into the building space. So if you had a 1500sq/ft single floor house it’s going to be heated with 15000btu water or electric and a portion of that goes down to keep the foundation from freezing. Does the heat stay on the whole time. Then looking at a 2’’ or a 4’’ pipe on what looks like at least 18’’ center We put 6’’ on center for the exterior 4’ then 12’’ after that How evenly can that slab heated and the perimeter should have the most heat for the windows and doors and heat for the walls. Just saying
In your comparison you forget most important thing. Then compare you should compare like for like. How is it better than other types of floor heating? I live in nordic and liquid is most popular because you can heat liquid with anything. Then building and money is tight for example, you can slap on a electric heater. After you have saved enough money, replace it with geothermal or just add on and keep electric for emergency, do whatever you like. Liquid doesnt care where heat comes from. Energy required to keep house warm stays the same no matter if you heat floor with airtubes, liquid tubes or electric wire.
EPS foam usually doesn't degrade if not exposed to UV light, like the Sun that won't be reaching under the concrete slab! It would take a lot of heat, closer to the melting point of EPS (a lot higher then anything there) to degrade it. I would be worried about water getting to it and freezing in the winter, so not degradation, but physical damage from elements. But the slab is over a drainage system, so they only need to worry if the water level gets too high under there (very hard to do in mountains if it isn't on a flash flood area). Besides that, no worries about the EPS foam degrading before the house itself as a whole.
Cool- my boss built his own house with heating like this in the 70's; heated it with a wood/oil furnace for an example. Worked great. Everybody thought he was crazy. The heating system was changed in the 80's to electric baseboards-common around here. Doubt the people there now even know about the original system they are walking on. He used actual duct work(was heavier back then). Once the concrete dried the cavity remained. The cement would radiate heat for days.
Seems like a bunch of weak areas in the foundation where the pipe runs
If you’re spending $1,200/month on propane, you need to close your windows and doors. I heat 3,000 square feet of home for less than $1,500/ WINTER! Admittedly, I only live in Canada…🙄
I heard that too. $1200/ month for propane heat is insane. I'm in Ontario canada. Not crazy cold, comparatively but $2000 would cover my cost for an entire year of heat and I'm continually thinking of cheaper options.
Wow-fantastic product!
Not a new idea, I lived off base back in 85 when I was stationed in Korea and we used a coal brick call Ahndal and a little fan. Same idea only they used copper plumbing. Made sleeping on the floor very comfortable.
Live in Northern Sweden and do ground work, including concrete slabs. I have never seen this type of system or even heard about any houses up here having it. It might be a good design, but not very commonly used.
How long does it take to get the slab up to temp and how long does it hold temp?
The Romans be like: “hello!, it’s called a ‘hypocaust’ system. Yeah, we invented it.”
Nevertheless, this is an awesome system that I’ll be using in the near future. 👍👍
Yes, hypocaust , or ondol in Korea. Frank loyd Wright used some similar system inspired by floor heating he saw in Japan.
No Footings? OK what about an assessment of soil conditions and applied buildings loads...very doubtful about this. What about soil heave, what about overland water flow washing out gravel under the polystyrene...
Does pouring a slab like this use more concrete or less?
WOULD SEEM LESS (removal of cement for heating pipes) BUT HOW MUCH THICKER MUST THE SLAB BE FOR THE PIPED AREA?
without footings, how long does it take the foundation to crack and sag?
FOOTINGS? NY QUESTION TOO!
al nice but elec wil get exp in the winterm.. so now the calculation wurks but not in 3 years
Wont the slab be weakened around all those 4" voids?
I was wondering about that as well
$800 a month that’s insane or did I miss hear, mind blown.
No, I heard the same thing, $800-1,200 a month.
His neighbours, who heat with propane, $800-$1200 per month. This system $120 per month. They are in high elevation Colorado area.
@@theleiteone83 That’s what we were commenting about, was that fact that the Neighbors were Spending a Insane Amount for Propane every month. Most Americans couldn’t afford a Propane Bill that is a Small House Payment.
There is no way this works. This is something you see on tv at 3 am in the morning
Yes it works, check out their history and global applications.
@@AdirondackHomestead I’m not totally closed minded I starte d heating and a/c as a job since 1995 and doing mainly infloor / snowmelt and high velocity air handlers as a now current job. So I install 1/2 rehau pipe for infloor on 6’’ center along the perimeter and 12’’ center for interior with a lochinvar boiler. I realize that heat can come from below but they are saying that it heats with 10btu’s /sqft which isn’t really a lot (a person gives off 400btu/hr). It is also a slab on grade build so you can’t turn off the heat. Which means they expect some heat to travel downward. How much of the 10btus is expected to go down and then realistically what is left to go into the building space. So if you had a 1500sq/ft single floor house it’s going to be heated with 15000btu water or electric and a portion of that goes down to keep the foundation from freezing. Does the heat stay on the whole time. Then looking at a 2’’ or a 4’’ pipe on what looks like at least 18’’ center We put 6’’ on center for the exterior 4’ then 12’’ after that How evenly can that slab heated and the perimeter should have the most heat for the windows and doors and heat for the walls. Just saying
In your comparison you forget most important thing. Then compare you should compare like for like. How is it better than other types of floor heating? I live in nordic and liquid is most popular because you can heat liquid with anything. Then building and money is tight for example, you can slap on a electric heater. After you have saved enough money, replace it with geothermal or just add on and keep electric for emergency, do whatever you like. Liquid doesnt care where heat comes from.
Energy required to keep house warm stays the same no matter if you heat floor with airtubes, liquid tubes or electric wire.
I cant find info on the system... anywhere. Like the heater.... Where it draws air from.... where it exhausts air. Nothing. No specs or anything.
I don't think it needs to draw or exhaust air; it's just a electric heater circulating air through those tubes.
@@advertslaxxor so an enclosed electric system... interesting
Not nearly enough foam under there. Just heat the air in the house, much more efficient.
What about critters?
The romans invented this!!!
Great content annoyng that you speak in the same time, i was not able watch more that 2 min...😢
$120/m ~= $4/day on heating
That's like half the average wage where I live bruh
No frikking way we can afford this
Those transitions are so messy and annoying. Please stop...
Until foam degradation and then you have uneven foundation lol
EPS foam usually doesn't degrade if not exposed to UV light, like the Sun that won't be reaching under the concrete slab!
It would take a lot of heat, closer to the melting point of EPS (a lot higher then anything there) to degrade it.
I would be worried about water getting to it and freezing in the winter, so not degradation, but physical damage from elements. But the slab is over a drainage system, so they only need to worry if the water level gets too high under there (very hard to do in mountains if it isn't on a flash flood area).
Besides that, no worries about the EPS foam degrading before the house itself as a whole.
I call b******* on the $1200 a month on propane.
That's what I said. I heated a 1995 trailer house in seriously cold Temps. It wasn't that bad at all.
Well. My shop used to cost 15,000 a month keeping it at 45 and this was back in late 90s and early 00s. Don’t doubt the costs of propane.
And you are on a mountain at 10,000 ft in your 4000 sq ft home?