Are All These New Trading Card Games Doomed To Fail?
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- Justin analyzes whether or not the new boom in the trading card game is sustainable. From Disney's Lorcana to the One Piece TCG there's a lot of nuance in the future of the industry.
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The market as it is now in the US at least can't handle this many TCGs. There simply isn't enough time in shops for these games to all get dedicated time in the space.
We would need an expansion equal to that of Japan where we start seeinf dedicated card shops popping up.
The issue with that would just be like malls currently in the U.S., there is just so much more convenience online that local card shops designated specifically for certain card games would just flop because they are not seeing enough sales, so it's a lose-lose situation no matter how you look at it. Not to mention card shops notoriously have to inflate their prices just to sustain their business, so it's not good practice.
It's hard to say the best efficient method to solve this issue, other than to be a prophet & know what cards games to sell & which ones to throw away (lol) but we wouldn't be in a conundrum if we already knew the solution :)
Theres already dedicated card shops popping up and they are doing fine from what ive seen, i think dedicated card shops would be a good fit it would allow a lot more options for areas of play, a lot of card shops around me are dedicated to yugioh and magic so its hard to get games in for other tcgs and the dtores fill up on event days for those players and theres like no room for the other events so its a thing
That is the thing right, something has to fail or be discontinued to create space for the new economy because having local events , product on shelves, and a staff excited to sell the product are all important. Of all the new ones listed here I think One Piece has a chance because a lot of younger people spent a lot of time watching the anime, kind of like people 28-32 right now spent watching pokemon and playing pokemon videogames. We'll see.
@@riddlermangaming3533 Or digimon. That has a loyal fanbase too. Maybe not as big as pokemon and yugioh, but it could grow.
I dont understand how people have the money to keep spending on new meta decks unless its cheap like pokemon
Idk if I can afford to play all these games. Vanguard is getting more expensive, friends play pokemon and magic. Can the average player juggle 4-5 card games at once?
I'm glad I stopped buying Vanguard cards during the G Era. Already got 24 decks completed, all with their G Zone, and Bushi wants me to dish out another $1k+ just to keep them up to date with Premium? Yuck. They'll only get powercrept each passing year.
Ironically much cheaper to build Yugioh decks now than it is to buy Vanguard lol. Let's not talk about the monstrosity that is Dear Days. $80 for the full game vs Link Evolution, $40 on release. THAT WAS IN 2019
yes, yes they can
no
@@nonoaheart5594 1K update with premium???? Why the hell would u put D format cards in your premium deck? Those are overpriced shit that's not even see use outside of D format
Legit cheaper to make ygo decks these days
I hope all of y'all appreciate this different type of video. I would love to cover card games outside of yugioh at some point! Let me know if there's any games you'd love to see the channel cover in the future.
1v1 me in overdress
Do digimon
I'd love to see a vid on any of digimon, flesh and blood or weiss swarts since those are the ones that interest me outside of magic or yugioh.
Please continue with cardfight, do let this nice game die.
I'm all for extra coverage of different card games. My group has been expanding outside of Overdress and I got myself a 40k Commander deck, been enjoying the Nids and been having more fun with Magic than Vanguard.
Shadowverse evolve is actually pretty fun to play. I started playing when it released and have really come to enjoy it. Currently using a Havencraft and Spellcraft deck. I've recently made a completely neutral deck that I have yet to try against others.
I'm here 1/29/2024. I came back to say you were right about MetaZoo. It's dead.
Kinda sad about wizards mismanaging both DnD and Magic. They are both such great games. I think magic is actually in a really good place. The limited formats have been good, standard despite not being in stores feels really good to me, pioneer and modern feel pretty stable. The game is great and if they don’t treat them as money printing machines because of hasbro or whatever I think they’d actually be in a better place.
MTG doesn't need to be in big box retailers. Go to your local comic book store or card shop and support them they are the ones that really need it.
Standard feels good rn?
Bro what? 😂
@@elyea5928 what do you play? What don't you like? Asking legitimately. I feel like most standards it is a boring mono-red deck, a boring control deck, and something else and I would see just those 3 or 4 decks on the ladder. There's some interesting variety happening, and the cards in standard are pretty powerful. Mono blue, mono white control, mono red, some portal to phyrexia stuff, enchantments...use more words to describe what your issues with standard at the moment are.
Hasbro is the source of the majority of Magic's problems. Mainly with overprinting, too many reprints, and product fatigue.
I really hope Grand Archive succeeds would be fun for a kickstarter to do well. Also why is it that Bandai seems to be not as crappy as other media companies when it comes to releases, its like other companies try some gimmicky garbage that they sell to you where bandais like "you like the flashing lights of dbz and wargreymon, heres 50 some costing $10"
Maybe not all companies understand the balance of what the community wants and what sells?
It won’t
Considering Bandai has been around for a while appealing to anime fans & toy industry, that's probably a huge factor to why they don't flop as hard as some other companies, thank god o.o
At first I didnt think much of BattleSpiritsSaga, because of, well, the monetization, but after seeing so many others hardcore fans of the franchise, I think it's worth taking the risk buying the cards. I just want every bandai product to do well, and battle spirits has the potential for it 🙂.
I'kl be yet another hardcore fan of the franchise recommending it XD.
This game is amazing, and Saga is not simply bringing it back to a more fun and accessible level of power and complexity of teh cards (Current game is pretty insane), but it is starting from Set 1 with the best mechanics that make BattleSpirits the best TCG I ever played.
Soul Cores and Bursts, and each Color is bringing their classic Keywords from the beginning.
And after playing it online with frineds... It feels REALLY good.
...Though, it's a bit silly in how they change the effects of some of the cards from the OG version to the current version XD.
They gave Cursedragon the same exact effect and stats as Desperado XD.
It doesn't worsen the game, but I find it pretty funny as a player of the OG version XD.
Well I hope it does I've just invested in the demo deck all 4 colour starter decks a core deck and 20 alpha packets.about 140 bucks..time will tell I suppose
@@senilestix that's some madlad moment right there lmao, currently I see bandai is sponsoring the game, so yeah, only time will tell
@@senilestix140 isn’t much im at 1400 lol. It’s not if it’ll succeed but how much you hype the local areas to keep it going
Unfortunately not many LGS carry product most that I have talk to said they not gonna carry until set 2 release so set 2 is really the do or die point for the game and Bandai handling of promo isn't helping ether it reminds me of Pokemon when they were giving out promo disregarding the impact it has on the game
Not to mention the secondary market isn't looking very good right now opening boxes are guaranteed lost on x rares unless it a full art I really wish BSS can survive with Bandai course correct and stop mishandling it
My biggest frustration with the One Piece TCG is the scarcitiy of products. I suppose it means it's incredibly popular, but new players can't get into the game if they can't get starter decks & packs.
fr, but just like the digimon tcg that had the same issue, bandai will eventually print more and try to meet the demand.
Also, entering tournaments above a local level is damn near impossible.
@@level3xfactor where are you located? And how so?
@@ravenologies The registrations for Treasure Cups and online regionals fill up in ten seconds.
They're imited to around 150 people. Last one in my area filled up in under 5 minutes and had 200 people on a waiting list.
The issue is the speculation bubble that has been growing since 2018.the moment a card in fab is 400 and every other card in the set is under 0.30 $ means the prices a inflated. Nothing against investors but you print cards to be played. Hoarding a product at the start of the run for a new tcg hurts the market and warps the prices
I'm really glad I'm not the only one who sees through Metazoo. I live in a big city and not one of our game stores hosts events. Product just sits and rots on the shelves.
Imho, i have no idea why Bandai is pushing so much product onto the TCG market. The market is saturated and unsustainable for all card games. The big 3 will survive, but games with poor community support will die out within the next 2 years.
My predictions:
- BSS will become Bandai's main focus, since it is their own IP. The fact theyre willing to push money tourneys shows you how bad they want it to last.
- OP and Digi's fate will be dictated by the strength of their community. OP has a lot of fans but ive heard some fans are disgruntled over how the game is developed in relations to the source material, i.e. minor characters having major importance in the TCG and strange card design decisions regarding major characters. Also, product is an issue. Digi, while fun, is finally obtaining balance changes in areas that should have been immediate. It may be too little too late.
- DBS feels like its at its deathbed for IRL play. Ive heard its popular in the east coast but relatively dead in the west. That said, the digital game might breathe new life into it and turn IRL cards into collector's items.
- FAB seems to be doing well but ive heard it has a huge balancing problem. Where i live, its not a main game but there is a dedicated group that plays.
- Lorcana will fail as a tcg but will having staying power as a collector's item. After hearing its gameplay mechanics, it just sounds like a reskin of Keyforge.
- Idk what to think of Grand Archive TCG and Sorcery. Both are good games. Theyre both fun with interesting and unique mechanics. Idk if they're strong enough to establish staying power against the current market.
- Sol Forge. Good attempt but i dont know anyone around who plays it.
Overall, its a great time to be a fan of TCGs. There is a huge variety and accessible ways to play. However, the market is saturated and the economy is weak. Consumer will need to be convinced that a game is worth it based on gameplay, community, and resellability. If those three traits arent strong for a game, that game is guaranteed to be DoA and gone within 1-2 years.
yeah sadly metazoo does NOT look fun or have cool enough art imo
Metazoo art is so bad it’s good I’d argue lol.
@@jurtyt4514 id say that too but its clearly trying to be SOMETHING its just not really achieving it
u rite
I honestly think the art style is really good. It gives me a vintage Pokémon or Digimon vibe. But the gameplay is absolutely terrible. It’s going to be a collectors market once the game dies.
@@MikeSiegert while out of the box, the gimmick does look too gimmicky
Thanks for the content. Besides of Rudy there is nobody covering strategic industry questions on this plattform, but he is focused to much on MTG for my taste. I like your broader approach much more. Also I would be very interested in more in deep economic and market analysis, but I guess it's hard to collect reliable global data.
I'm guessing to have that data the games need to be out for 5-10 years. Anyone know the % of newly release TCG's that go out of business within 2 years? Has to be like 80% or more.
There is one problem the one piece card game has right now in the English market. It is incredibly hard to find and overly expensive all because it has the one piece name on it. Bandai though is going to release a second wave of the starter deck and hopefully the first booster set too
I love one piece anime and I try to open a booster box but is too hard to find and tooo expensive for me
Reprint (or wave 2) coming of romance dawn in 8ish months. It’s bad now but will be easier soon.
@@AlexHodgesYT it better includevthe starter decks
@@KesslerVTuber I would assume it does. Not the "super" pre-release but the standard decks aren't off limits.
That was the same issue when Digimon TCG got imported to English. It's gonna take several months before the prices "die down", or luckily people can find them in Walmarts/their local stores. No telling if Bandai will release One Piece in local stores tho like they do with Digimon.
Thanks for the more serious video like this, I appreciate the research you put into it :)
Lorcana is going nuts. I actually enjoy playing the game. I even won the final First Chapter League 4 week round at my LGS. I have over 1,000 first chapters cards and not enough Legendaries. I plan to pick up my Rise of the Floodborn pre-orders in 10-12 hours. I recommend Lorcana if you love Magic and Disney.
Well said 👏
You can see MTG struggling adding all these crazy multiverse cards. Warhammer, stranger things. Jumping the shark.
And other games are too niche or not good "pretty" enough for 2023.
Seeing the pile of L5R boxes triggered my nostalgia. Miss that game
I loved digital shadowverse early on. I hope the physical version picks up traction.
The secondary market for new TCG release should also play as a factor for the games longevity. Both the comments and player experiences will tell you that the One Piece TCG, much like Digimon, was a booming success on release. However the scarcity of product upon initial release and failure to replenish stock raises the barrier to entry for players just getting started because of low supply and high demand, leading to a lot of product being scalped. I do think it's a local game store's duty to limit product sales to customers to capture a wider audience that are truly wanting to play the game, rather than capitalize on early product hype.
I agree but a lot of local stores have to prioritize any sales to keep afloat. Stores that can should limit sales but not all of them have the leisure.
100% bandai's fault tbh
I wish Weiss Swartz was more popular, it's a really fun card game
The LGS store here gets flooded since they host weiss schwarz national tourneys or something. You would love it here lol
It's evolving and by making sets like chainsaw man and spy family which are not harem shows helps along with pixar
WS puts too much focus on attacking each turn to my taste. Ditto Vanguard that seems to have been drinking from the same well.
jeez, seeing this one year later, yeah, pretty much
Unfortunately, if I’m all in on one game, I really only try out these other games, no matter how good they are. From 2002-2012 I was a yugioh and magic player. I heavily got into the dbz card game and everything else I just bought starter decks with my friends and played a few matches. Inuyasha and yuyu hakusho were two games that I actually entered some tournaments for. But really, throughout all that, yugioh and magic is where my money and time went
What can you tell me about playing in inuyasha tournaments. Please tell me you have deck lists.
Have you by chance tried out Flesh and Blood? I got into it recently and find it super fun and unique. All the characters play differently, you can get pretty creative with your builds, and I really like how you start the game at your strongest with equipment and combo with it rather than having to hope for lucky draws
Hey there! Thanks for including Force of Will in your timeline! One note though is that FoW has never stopped production, it has just changed company hands. However earlier in 2022 the original creator of the game has returned to work with the current company, Eye Spy Productions, and they are doing some great work in rebalancing/connecting with the community more and continuing to work on making events more accessible and supported.
I was just bout to blast the same thing lol
I think you might be the only youtube channel that somehow represents a FoW community in a way.
The game was always producing new stuff, yes. But with how little international resonance every thing they are doing is causing, I can’t really see this game growing significantly bigger at this point. They simply missed the timing for that.
A game that has been available for many years now and with so little to show for is a big big turn off for any potential player to invest into long-term.
That’s why I don’t think FoW will make a big reinsurgence ever.
@@lifequality it is growing tho just got new official store in midwest unless by resurgence you mean a big surge of newer communities
@@DeathMan2082 Okai. But I always get the feeling that after 10 years, their global representation is almost barely palpable. In Europe f.ex. every Gamestop or LGS was carrying their products for the 5 years after release. Nowadays, you can barely find any product. I travel a lot across europe and i visit a lot of bigger LGS. I have never seen a person playing the game.
Over the last 2 years, I have encountered 2 stores that were selling FoW. The other owners confirmed that they were sitting on old product.
I dont want to diss the game; but you have to be honest. For a game that comes close to 10 years of existence, the statistics are not looking good for FoW. Absolutely not.
Just want to bring in some context about Disney Villainous from the perspective of a board gamer. It's published by Ravensburger but its mechanics were designed and developed by Prospero Hall/Funko Games, that generally pump out garbage IP-based games with a few decent titles here and there. It's also not meant to be anything like a CCG anyway; it's a multiplayer family game. The team working on Disney Lorcana will almost certainly be different from the team that worked on Villainous (outside of probably graphic design and production, which doesn't hurt the game here), including Ryan Miller, the designer of Duel Masters and Digimon CG. At the very least, it'll be a mid game, which is several steps above Villainous.
Lorcana isn’t designed by the Villainous team, there’s a totally separate CCG division within Ravensburger responsible for development, spearheaded by Ryan Miller (duel masters, MTG, Digimon)
Ryan Miller said in an interview that it was being developed at least partially by the villainous team.
Villainous is a great game, what are you talking about…yah some characters are better than others but the game has a great amount of strategy and if your better at the game than the other player, you can get some good wins out of the game even if your playing as a more difficult character.
Kryptik is my new main game it has MTG vibes and being a new game with two sets feels like even playing fields. No massive collectors running pack rat decks.
If ANYONE OUT THERE has not tried Digimon TCG yet I implore you to give it a shot. Non meta decks are 40 bucks if you buy single, meta decks around 100. Yes, you can spend more and get alternate art cards etc etc but I've got FOUR DIFFERENT DECKS and they can all easily win locals and top regionals. You don't even have to copy paste, you can add your own flare and tech. I urge you all to try it. I own 4 complete decks for the same price as my one Yu-Gi-Oh deck, it's so cheap, give it a shot!
I love this video, refreshing to see someone with knowledge about the space speaking at length. I will say if Weiss Schwarz had an online game it would quickly become one of the biggest games in the world. Issue being the IP licensing to put sets online… which I don’t need to explain. My hope is they use their own IPs to launch an online game at some point. Would change Bushiroads world.
Bold of you to expect Bushi to use their brains, look at how they did Vanguard online
@@StellaEFZ lol
More discussion vids like this please
I want to like Battle Spirit Saga, some of the revealed card art looks really cool
but the card layout and the playfield with 30 required cores looks really clunky and messy to me
Hey, battle spirits player here. imo it's not much different from putting counters and dice in other tcgs, hope this perspective helps
I don’t play lorcana but boy were you wrong lol. I’m definitely not a fan of anything Disney related, but as someone who does play TCG’s I obviously heard and seen lorcana. I haven’t really dived into that game and probably never will but I heard it’s pretty fun. It has a lot of major events so I think it’s here to stay honestly, people are liking it a lot.
Yeah. It took them a while to get their act together, but now the game is doing very well. They just need to keep going and keep pushing after that rough launch.
I'm glad people are having fun with it.
As much as I don't want to support Bandai, I think most of their releases will be fine, as long as they advertise them correctly and balance them well (salt moment). They really can handle cardgames right if they do give them a proper chance and support, and im sure they probably have one that would be a hit if they brought it back from the grave, especially with alt arts, but thats just me. Bushiroad handling shadowverse is...interesting and could lead down a few paths, but I hope it does go well.
Finally someone that calls out Metazoo for what it is. It's gonna get ugly when its bubble pops.
Great video! I love indie tcgs and following their journey but unfortunately many will be gone in the next couple years.
Just like Kanye-- I miss the old Metazoo.
I think people don't spend money on these games because they don't want to fall into anther money pit, but it's no different than the current ttrpg or board game scene. Lots of games coming out that people don't have any time to play. Some game designers go in with the expectation that their game isn't going to get as much play as DnD. Even games that do well on KS do not see game play, people just wanted to add something cool looking to their collection.
I love all of your videos.
The one piece tcg should be able to last at least 1 year if the patterns repeat itself. I love the game tho and its fun so well see
Buen video siempre me han interesado las diferentes mecánicas en los juegos de cartas, podrías hacer un vídeo sobre las diferentes mecánicas de juegos?
I have a few videos in the works talking about some individual card games and thier unique mechanics and design choices.
I'm trying out Battle Spirits right now and it ain't bad coming from a DBS & One Piece player. I also hope also that Battle Spirits doesn't harshly fail.
Im shook with how hard Bandai is going with Battle Spirits. Right off the bat they're offering $1,000,000 in cash prizes for their tourneys.
It's definitely a big move. But personally I feel like they're not putting in the same effort on a local and casual level where the game needs to succeed to stick around long term.
@@MonkeyFightTCG thats facts, there is movement only for the prize money but locally, I haven't heard a word about it. There's way too many TCG's for a game that failed to come back.
@@MonkeyFightTCG what about the EA program? LGS were given thousands of dollars of promotional items to be given out to players. For free. Including demo decks, lore books, sleeves and more. Stores also have tons of local events to run for may and june, including store championships which are a great way to motivate people to go to locals.
Just wanted to point out that Force of Will never stopped releasing since 2014, where it had its only reboot since 2012. Since they kicked out FoWCo in 2019 from the game production the game play and artwork dropped abysmally since 2021.
Flesh and Blood has been by far the best TCG I've played in decades.
Hell yeah!
so sad is so full of hatred driven players against magic
@@golem001px think people are just over getting beaten down by Hasbro and corporate WOTC who sold out years ago and don't care about anything but the bottom line of money over humans. FaB founders show they care and listen to their communities. It's really a nicer more loving community I find.
@@WayOfHaQodesh is funny because your literally what i'm talking about, a comment full of hatred by a fan base full of hatred, very cringe
I've been adoring One Piece! For me it's One Piece, Digimon, and Metazoo! But One Piece has had my full attention! Been at 3 tournaments since starting and I want more!🤣
awesome video! also have you heard of this new tcg called Dynasty TCG, i quite like it but I'm looking to see if others have heard of or think of it?
Be cool to see some coverage of sorcery the contested realm.
On the comment about Shadowverse's online counterpart being P2W: it really isn't. It's easy to get multiple meta decks without paying a dime. And like some other online card games like Duel Masters, they are making money by selling cosmetics, so allowing people to play at a competitive level for just a little time investment is completely feasible.
What is a potential problem however, is that a lot of these F2P mechanics won't be present in the real life TCG, so having a deck that needs half it's cards being super-rare just to be competitive will be a huge problem, and would really make it P2W.
I am surprised you put Elestrals in the Major Release list, but not the biggest backed Kickstarter- Sorcery
There are so many it's hard to keep track of them. Hell after this video I got several offers from small Kickstarter tcgs ive never heard of asking me to promote their games.
Besides the top three mega giant card games out there: Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon, and Magic it's really hard to find a great card game out there. And unless you have a shot load of money to make a card game, it's gonna be difficult for the game to get the ground unless there is a strong support audience to stand behind the card game.
You're correct. Key forge was the great tcg to come in the last decade (I say that based on the fact that it innovated a lot while most new tcg were more of the same, just recycling borrowed mechanics) and yet it failed miserable.
Set 1 of Lorecana is gunna sell like gangbusters, there won't be events but adults and scalpers coming into the stores to buy the boxes. Which is good traffic since they might bring kids or buy other stuff like Funko pops. I think it will fall off but will end up sorta like those sports booster boxes, no events but they sell.
They keep promising robust organized play, so I have to believe there will be events.
However I agree that scalpers gunna scalp the heck out of this product so 🤷🏼♂️
@@citizensoflorcana131 maybe for the first few months there might be events and kids will come but it will fall off. Scalpers can scalp I ain't buying that shit. I don't need Goofy LSRs
God I hope BSS really does better than your prediction, I've waited for 10 years for it to come back, I don't want it to die before it's born. It's marketing is shitty and most of the sponsors don't care enough to actually talk about anything other than the flashy and cheap million dollar, but the mechanics are everything you(I) cuold ever want from a tcg.
What do you think they should do to better their chances of success?
Market more on a local game store level. Focus on going in depth with the game during sponsorships. Speaking of which maybe give out some more product to influencers that don't just want the money.
@@MonkeyFightTCG They're already doing that. They've got ambassadors going to stores to demo the game soon.
That's good.
I loved the LCG Android Netrunner. Loved the theme, the a-synchronous gameplay. Loved that you built off of the starter box and how much content it had. Love how LCG is no gambling each box you know what you are buying. It was a lot a lot a lot of fun. I'm sad it ended
box set card games are cool. Usually they end up having financial problems as the model is less profitable and it ends up killing the game. I wish it was a bigger thing but it is what it is.
I'm working on developing an LCG style game. I just think ultimately the TCG model is too unethical for me to want to make. The real challenge is finding a publisher who doesn't want infinite growth. Like the game to turn over a respectable profit but not to ever be a sensation sweeping the nation where people will be cases of product for an extra shiny.
Check out VanquishersTCG
If you like net runner it’s a scifi tcg
@@SapphicSarawish you the best of luck with your game. Hopefully LCGs become mainstream one day.
If my favourite TCG was an LCG, I would have spent way more money on it, and I suspect the same would be true for most casual players. The majority of the people I've tried introducing to that game with struture decks ended up quitting after realizing the scam of randomized products. They didn't sign up for a children's version of gambling, and honestly, I can't object to that.
I'm curious to know what people would describe as success for a card game like this. Does it have to last 5 years? 10 years? Forever? How much money does it need to make? Do people actually need to play it or is it okay to get by with just investors trying to make money down the line?
Should last 5+ years, sustainable economy & secondary market, flourishing with mature & newer players alike, able to host tournaments on a regular basis and genuinely have a good card pool with balanced effects.
Great video! Have you heard of the upcoming SorceryTCG with 100% hand painted traditional art by some of the most iconic Magic the Gathering artists?
One Piece isnt just borrowing mechanics from bandai games, its borrowing from a bunch of card games, especially since bandai usually isnt the first to make certain mechanics. Also I dont know how you didnt mention that the One Piece tcg is absolutely popping off rn, boxes are going for double msrp and starter decks are going for quadruple, and the next 2 sets are basically already sold out.
I can say that almost all the Pokemon I sell is to people who don't and won't play the game.
Certainly Lorcana will have a large collector and speculation aspect, but this can only last if the art and layout is as good as Pokemon, and that's not what I am seeing.
Solid video man. As someone who has been branching out more as of late to try other card games due to Yugioh being in a rut as far as playing against randoms, I can agree there is a bit of oversaturation from various companies, especially Bandai given you got the DCG, One Piece, DB Super, as well as their most recent game Union Arena which feels to me like Bandai's go at Weis Schwartz. Of these games though that I tried, the DCG honestly helped to revitalize my interest as a fan of the series and Union Arena is fun but at the same time I wonder just how much staying power it does have. Hopefully for the sake of accessibility if the DB Super Simulator does gangbusters, Bandai gives the same treatment to the DCG as let me tell you, it really hurts not having a proper sim for the game beyond Tabletop Simulator.
This is how bandai launders their money.
Sorcery: Contested Realm plays nice & Grand Archive looks great too! Cheers
What about Keyforge’s return?
As a lover of all card games, I play like anything and everything as both casual level and almost as high as you can play some TCGs. The last few years have been great been kinda spoiled for choice. Digimon is a cute game wish they play on the memory mechanic some more as its the best part of the game. One piece seems solid. I find Dragonball Super tcg away from the IP to be the best mechanical card game I've ever played it's soo smooth and simplistic with a wealth of depth. Bandai running of these 3 games always seems questionable. Sometimes it feels like they don't even know what they have made with the DBS game.
Yugioh, magic and pokemon will always remain strong but I could see pokemon and yugioh really push Magic a bit more going forward.
I'm a huge disney fan and I'm hyped for Locarna really hoping it's just a good game more then anything.
What do you mean you wish they played on the memory mechanic more? The first few metas were literally memory stalling, blitzing when the memory overflows to the opponent's turn, & making memory boost to accomadate for people memory denying o.0 The memory interaction has been great & the players are aware of how they should abuse that memory system, as oppose to having the same stale strategies that ruin a card game.
You say they don't know what they made with the DBS game, they literally used that AND the Digimon TCG to improve on their recent card game, One Piece which is flourishing so idk what you on about o.o
I used to play Sorcerers of the Magic Kingdom when it was still playable at the time. It wasn't a typical card game, and you had to be a guest at the Magic Kingdom park to play, but it was unique mechanic wise and the selling point as you mentioned with what will make Lorecana good in the market is the collecting point of the game.
Sadly, they only released two sets in the lifespan and never bothered to continue support. It was a niche game no doubt, but if even that game couldn't be continued for collecting purposes, I personally don't see Lorecana doing any better either.
I was interested at first when I saw it in this video, but your explanation pretty much summed up why Sorcerer's didn't stood the test of time.
Sorceres =/= Lorcana!
Ravensburger has hired top talent both to design the game and to illustrate the game. Disney has agreed to an initial multi year deal for Lorcana.
I mean be skeptical as we should, but don’t rule it out completely before the game even releases!
Personally I think that as long as the game is half way fun it will have some serious staying power.
@@citizensoflorcana131 Of course. Healthy skepticism should always be practiced. Nothing wrong with being excited, I think Lorcana has potential. That being said, I was sad when Sorcerers got discontinued and am hoping Lorcana doesn't suffer the same fate. Will keep an eye out for this game, and might even suggest it to my co workers too if it is something that casuals can enjoy.
One upside of course is the fact you won't need to visit the Disney park to play this game, so I would be in favor of this game if Disney does continue to give support to Ravensburger.
@@RvBnerd618 all fair points. And for the record, I really enjoyed sorcerers. I only went one time where I was able to do it, but it was a magical experience.
What are your opinions on Elestrals?
Force of will had a reboot? What'd it do that made it qualify for a reboot?
Hopefully battle spirits does well and one piece sticks around. Digimon I'm sure will be around for awhile too. Those are the only games I care about.
3:54 “It even caused companies like Wizards of the Coast to start progressing along the anti-consumer path” x2
Lol
I’m loving Shadowverse Evolve, but I have my doubts on how well it’s going to do. The advertising for this game is non-existent, and I’ve heard nothing about it outside of what I already see from following the digital Shadowverse game. It’s sad to see that overseas, when the game is apparently doing really well in JP.
Calling the digital Shadowverse “pay 2 win” is… kinda weird to hear. The game is infamously known as being one of the most f2p friendly CCGs, to the point where spending money on card packs is known to be a waste of money. The game dumps so much free resources on you that it shouldn’t be difficult to craft whatever deck you want.
Of course, since everyone can craft whatever they want, you pretty much only ever see meta decks. And if the current meta balance is unfun, you are going to feel it for a whole 3 months or more.
Honestly I'm not all that worried about the Japanese games that are being imported here. the games are succesful in Japan and the only reason we get them in the west is because there is enough demand and their market study were positive. Also there is a lot of tcg players who are only playing MTG because theres is a lack of events around them for other card games. and since everyone is doing mtg, the customer base is spread through multiple store and theres just too much competition for the stores. That's why I see more and more store pushing a second game and sometime it works and the events are succesful. My LGS wasn't able to keep alive DBZ or Digimon for exemple, but there is community elsewhere and because of that even if the events are dead, they still do a lot of sale online. They took the risk for BSS and they're taking it for Shadowverse.
I’m waiting for the one piece reprint … i want to go all in on the one piece TCG but at retail price lol 😂
I’m glad someone said this about MetaZoo. The only sales are held up by people trying to flip the cards for profit.
I feel like new tcgs need a different monetization method since most people wont want to dump a lot of money in to a game that could be dead in one year along with people don't want to dump 60$ in to a card game just to find out its horrible
I mean that's usually the sentiment behind most card games though.....back when it first started I don't know if I ever would have picked up a starter deck for Yu-Gi-Oh! I was just lucky my classmates were all into it so I basically got my deck from them...but luckily these days a lot of card games can find themselves having simulators that while nowhere near compare to the experience of sitting around a table with your buds playing 10 deck games can still give new players a sense of what its like before they dump all the money into it....that said I know a lot of these wouldn't have that but for any that would it's a great place to start
Battle Spirits Saga is getting huge support from Bandai.
You can argue Bandai has too many card games already, but BSS is definitely looking like one that they’re trying to push hard.
Add in the fact that they have a great track record with Digimon and One Piece, BSS being the NA successor of a 25 year old game and the excellent mechanics seen in it, I can see BSS succeeding. Yeah, it failed once, but I can see it doing better this time.
I’m going to personally do everything I can to see it succeed on a local level because it’s just that good.
Part of the reason bandai is supporting it is cause it's not really new, it's spent it's 14years of life in Japan in the 4th to 1st place spot in popularity. BSS is actually the second time it's been released, but bandai have a lot more refined product that they know works and likely don't need to fear it's failure.
A lot of the card market is driven by people looking to make a buck. I’m avoiding all new games
For me a modern cardgame needs to have an online platform to play it, it just is not feasible for me to travel just to play due to real life reasons.
Speaking of, if there are any good with official, or unofficial, ways to play online I'm open for suggestions.
One piece is amazing! My play group has been loving it. We’ve been a little burned out from mtg.
Dragon Ball is about to blow up with the digital release, let's gooooo
Big fan of yours.
Can you elabprate on as to why Battle Spirits Saga is doomed to fail?,i get the impression that Bandai heaviily tries to invest into the game, consodering all the influencers and cadh prices intended so far. I dont know how they intend to reach players better or more but I would love to know your 2 cents
I'm not the OP, but to me it's really reminiscent of Duel Masters and its reboot: Kaijudo. The game launched and failed. A few years later, a reboot of the game was attempted and also failed. Killing any future release plans despite being one of the top games in Japan.
I hope BSS doesn't suffer this fate. And considering how much they're putting emphasis on the competitive nature of the TCG and cash prizing, I think BSS has a good chance at success.
There isn't a single shop near me that does anything in any official capacity outside of magic.
Am an indie dev currently making a TCG ( i'm sick of the current ones ) , its designed from the start to not have any power creep ( 0 ), its truly a shame that these companies are just using us to buy there bad products
06:57 wait what Shadowverse is P2W?
I've been playing it for 4 years and idk where's the pay to win part tbh. Wish I could pay more money to win when everyone can build a meta deck and most play better than me.
Ah you didn't play during the old times. Before it was cleaned up and made decent.
@MonkeyFight TCG while the old times were terrible, calling shadowverse in its current state p2w is just wrong, your statement in the video is misleading since it doesn't reflect the game from 2018 onwards which is very different from how it started, massive QoL changes, the addition of portalcraft, the enormous amount of free pulls every new player can get extremely easily alongside 1 free trial deck to pick every new set make the game extremely different in terms of player experience.
A lot of these games are like really really appealing to me (other than metazoo. Eh), and wow Digimon and One Piece are fun as hell. But like… wow I wish I could sit down and draft or have casual play, or have more local casual events. I feel outpaced if I’m not intensely engaged
Sales data comes from India & china? Can I get the source for it please. Since the past decade there have been 0 hobby stores in India. Most of the card products are sold in toy stores. There have been a really few card releases and product support in this country. Even duplicate are widely sold here. There are people who love card games here, but most of them get their products shipped from outside. Although I am sure Pokemon is selling really well here and I assume accounts to about 80% of card products sold here.
This was from statistica. India is just behind America in sales. It's probably a lot more spread out along Indias large population.
@@MonkeyFightTCG just saw it and I can tell you that it's simply because of population density. The only trading card game being sold here is Pokemon and it's doing well simply because it appeals to children also due to the popularity of it there are many duplicate products in circulation. There is barely any growth for trading card games here, no hobby shops, no product releases , no tournaments or events whatsoever.
I actually believe that Shadowverse is a great addition to the western TCG market, especially given its success in Japan. I actually quite like the gameplay, and might be a draw for disgruntled Magic players with the direction Magic seems to be going recently because of WOTC.Cygames is handling planning and development, whereas Bushiroad will be in charge of manufacturing, sales, and operations, so there is room to be concerned. I’m more confident in Cygames handling this release, and I have full confidence they won’t let Bushiroad screw up the transition, since Cygames has handled their games extremely well. I understand the concern of Bushiroad’s involvement, but personally speaking, I can’t wait to have this game in English.
:-P well shadoverse is basically Heatstone with Anime characters but now in real tcg so it might be a success.
Im in the same boat, cant wait for this release, my only fear is that it will get dwarfed by lorecana since they are competeing for the same release period and never take off.
Just discovered your channel through this video. This is some good stuff, there's not many youtube channels that are covering alternative card games enough to understand multiple different games' metagames and health. You seem to focus a lot on Japanese TCGs, which is great! Looking forward to diving through you recent videos and seeing some more.
Of the TCGs mentioned in this video, I have faith in FAB and OP TCG in particular. I don't think WIXOSS or FoW have their publishers' faith necessary to make large investments into growing the game's scene outside of their initial launch in global markets, and everything about Lorcana seems to be about everything but the game's core mechanics, which are both nebulous and what has been revealed has been not particularly interesting. Shadowverse Evolve feels like it's going to be DOA on arrival given the lack of hype, though I can see BSS doing well for the first few years solely because of the high investment into the competitive scene and decent gameplay. You didn't cover Grand Archive and Sorcery TCG, which are both semi-notable releases of KS TCGs coming out soon, but that's understandable as I see your focus is on Japanese games.
Yeah there were a lot of kickstarter tcgs released and I couldn't cover all of them. I do have a video about battle spirits coming out soon though.
Things like this are why I don't see any point in finishing my homemade TCG. It's just such a massively crowded industry in both the AAA and indie level.
Please do not give up on your game. Keep in mind that many popular franchises once started as passion projects by indie developers with low expectations. For example, the Pokemon videogames were never supposed to have sequels, let alone a long-running animated series, movies, card games, etc. The Yugioh TCG was initially an MTG knock-off used as a one-time gimmick in a japanese comic with a "villain of the week" format. Its creator never imagined his readers would like it so much he would have to turn it into a real game and even change the entire plot of the series.
Just try to make a game that you can have fun playing first and don't attempt to monetize it right away. Do it only as a hobby, but care for it and build a small community around it. If the game's popularity blows up, good. If not, at least you had fun with like-minded people and hopefully learned a lot about game design.
Lastly, I'd like to suggest that you follow a few homemade TCG channels here on UA-cam, if only to catch a little bit of their enthusiasm.
What are your thoughts on alpha clash?
Hoping one piece becomes easier to obtain, that's the only problem round me, tons of people want it and it's hard to get. Also tons of people cannot afford to go into 2 card games. Well I only really know my vanguard community but I know we can barely enter fully into a second tcg because of how expensive vanguard is getting
Also we have other tcg players maybe looking into vanguard but lose interest because of its pricing.
One piece seems to be getting tons of attention so I'm not worried much about it dying unless they produce more quickly
How the mighty have fallen, back when it was way cheaper to make Vanguard decks as opposed to Yugioh.
And that's why I still play G-Era format with my friends, with the occasional new cards from Premium collection to spice up the format :)
next vid: all time card game tier list? 🥺
Digimon, MetaZoo, One Piece, Battle Spirits Saga, and Disney Lorcana all released within 2021 - 2023. I've been cutting back on video game spending to keep up collecting all these games plus Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh! too of course as always.
Regardless of the economic status, when people are drawn to engage in fun games, there is no stopping them. There are new card games in the market that can match mtg.
great video!
I wonder if a card game does better if there is other things attached to it like a mobile version and collectibles. As you mention in the video, some of the card games are tied to brands that been around for a long time and those may survive only due to being tied to something already established. It is the brand new ones which will have the highest chance to struggle. I also wonder what people look for more in the card game, great graphics\designs or great mechanics. For a collector I can see the quality of the card and design instead of game play while the more hard core player cares more about mechanics. As a fan of Digimon, I was excited to hear about the TCG version but could never find it anywhere. I have a feeling the whole COVID mess didn't do much good for any of the games which started coming out right before or during it. There still seems to be a bit of back log of goods which may still take into 2024 to finally get resolved if lucky.
SHADOWVERSE SWEEP!!! For me personally: I’m always down for a new game as long as it has good art.
Honestly same. I don't even watch one piece but I'm down for the card game beacuse the art was so well handled
@@MonkeyFightTCG I actually played it last night at my locals and it was surprisingly fun too. Don’t care about the show but I’m buying a deck rn lol.
Wooooahhhhhhhh Battle Spirits is coming back to NA?? I hope it goes well!
This came up in my recommendations after watching some videos about Parallel Alpha TCG - do you have any thoughts on this game?
I literally haven't heard of it
@@MonkeyFightTCG That's worrying for either me or you...
About monetization. Crypto financed TCGs like The Lords of Light (pre beta) and Shiryo (pre alpha) is popping up.
I've watched this today because UA-cam played it after a Lord of the Rings TCG tutorial. Quite interesting to be one year on from this and see what the predictions were like!
MetaZoo is now dead, so you were right about that.
But Disney Lorcana seems to be doing well and has just announced its 4th set. I personally think they are coming out too quickly, but people with more time and money than me (I fell behind at set 2) seems to be loving it. BTW, maybe you have seen by now it is not very much like MTG at all and more like WoW TCG and Shadow Era TCG. I'm a big fan of the questing for Lore and Song mechanic, but the complexity is much lower than both of those games, which is helping it appeal to younger players (as a gateway game perhaps?).
What's the big 3 card games?
Magic the gathering, yugioh, and pokemon
This video aged like fine wine especially about lorcana
Must be living in your own world
Aaaand Union Arena to come in October of 2024