Ship Chat: Steamrunner Class
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2024
- today we take a look at one of the more unusual ships to appear out of 'First Contact' the Steamrunner class. designed by Alex Jeager in the spirit of a locomotive, does this unconventional style befit a ship of the 24th century? And what is the Method behind this unorthodox layout?
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It occurs to me that the anti-borg ships are meant to work a Cube like a team of bullfighters. All working together to bring the massive beast down.
I love your analogy it's awesome
That is similar to a theory I believe that Lore Reloaded had come up with, though specifically with the Defiant-class. His thought was that they were meant to operate like a Kriegsmarine submarine wolfpack in WWII, working in a swarm to overwhelm a Cube’s resilience
@@fightingfalcon777, it's sound tactically. A Cube is too powerful to be taken down by any one ship except the Bioships of Species 8472.
I like this idea
They have the ability to alter energy output of weapons, Shields, and other systems. To keep the borg reevaluating which ships are the greater threat.
The borg keep changing targets, giving each squadron a chance to recover and create openings for attack
Maybe. Star Trek beam weapons have pin point accuracy (except when someone fires at the Defiant), infinite ammo, and energy can be shifted between beam and shield emitters around a ship. I'm not sure if there's such an advantage to attacking a Cube from multiple sides, you'd actually expect the smaller ships to have an advantage when they all concentrate their firepower on one side of the Cube, trying to overload the shields and only being in the firing arc of some of the beam emitters. And Starfleet using lots of smaller ships is simple economics: it's almost always cheaper to build 10 small ships than one huge ship with the same firepower, especially when the enemy can easily cut through a ship's armor/shields, like the Borg can. That's also why modern navies don't build battleships anymore.
I thinks kinda funny that as you talk about it being used as an rescue ship post war, its saving the Cerritos from crashing into a star. Love it.
You answered your own question about the deflector pod being swept backwards instead of forwards. I'm not sure why everyone seems to hate it because it makes total sense. If the warp core gets hit then it is physically as far away from the main hull as possible, giving a higher chance of survival to the crew inside. It kind of reminds me of the A-10 Warthog, one of the reasons the engines are placed the way they are is because if hit by a missile the exploding engine is as far away from the main body and fuel tank as possible.
People can overlook the simplest things as they attempt to sound smart.
Interesting you relate it to an A-10. I can clearly see that. I commented that I always thought it resembled a P-38 Lightning. Regardless, we both related to battering rams of aircraft 🥊
The Steamrunner class is definitely 1 of my favourite Federation Starships & from the side it looks like a phaser rifle
I would like to suggest that the anti-Borg mission of the steamrunner can be described as "to disperse the Borg's attention for a prolong period".
Against the Dominion/Cardassians, it was used very similar to shock cavalry or stormtroopers (aka assault troops). They punch through enemy lines to disrupt the enemy's defense and allow for a breakthroughby follow-on forces.
Bang on
This is a unique looking ship. I was not a fan of it at first, but it has grown on me. I like the after war uses you came up with for it as well. That makes perfect sense. Thank you for another fantastic video!
Yeah it's a definite grower.
I think Steamrunner is a very appropriate name for the class. It's fast and hard to remove out of ones way with brute force, just like running steam. Plus it always makes me think of some retro-futurist steampunk design that although not the most powerful, it has an enduring conviction to steadfastly not relent until she's given all she's got.
Also I agree in regards to the angle of the deflector/pod.
Very Good Tactical Ship as Heavy Destroyers (like Tribal-class Destroyers)
British WW2 Tribe class Destroyers were Designed Destroyers use in Battle not use a Escort.
Based on the position of the warp core, I imagine the ship would work well as a warp tug. Extend the warp field over a ship or object behind the vessel, and bring it along for the ride.
I really like this style of ship wish we had been able to see it more in action than we did.
The pylons sweep backwards to allow more room for shuttles/fighters to enter and leave the hangar bays at the back of the saucer. I think the Steamrunner class tries to protect its hangar from direct exposure to firepower, but also to provide enough room for shuttlecraft to maneuver from the hangar safely, especially during combat you wouldn't want your own fighters colliding into the pylons, etc.
I'd love to see a full rendering of the ENT era Steamrunner.
Maybe EC Henry could do it.
Such love for a star fleet ship it must be a good one.
Nice video! The Steamrunner-class reminds me of the US Navy Des Moines-class heavy cruisers. While the Steamrunner doesn’t have anything to parallel the auto loading main battery of the Des Moines, they are similar in the sense that they have extensive armor protection, heavy subdivision, a large amount of redundancy, and increased magazine capacity. Both ships were built to take a stand against the enemy and be a veritable threat to whatever they’re fighting for as long as possible.
Interesting. Has drach covered those yet?
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yes. He has done a video on them a few weeks ago. He has said in a few videos that he hopes to see the only surviving member of the class, USS Salem, when he can get to the US.
@@athena139c I have listening to the "Neptune's Inferno" audiobook and following the description's of the US light cruiser USS Helena, which was described as a "machine gun cruiser" due to how fast she could let loose with sustained fire. During the night battles around Guadalcanal, observers from both sides thought it was the 1.1 inch "chicago piano" AA guns that were firing and not the 6 inch, 130 lb, shot that they were actually firing. Image what a heavy cruiser with 8 inch guns with similar rate of fire per barrel would have been like...
@@lanebowles8170 The Des Moines-class was essentially that concept of light cruiser rate of fire with heavy cruiser shell power and was very much designed with lessons learned from the night actions of the Guadalcanal Campaign.
@@athena139c Yes, that was my point. Was I too vague?
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This is my favorite class Thank you so much for this Video.
For some reason I get a Tellarite vibe from this ship.
Where the Constitution shaped ships would be earth styled (Galaxy Class, Excecsior), this one may be a design from the style another Federation founder race. Using modern Federation tech of course.
I know one thing. I really like the ship. It's one of my favorites.
Interesting. I certainly see what you mean with the twin booms.
Venom geek I see the steamrunner-class kind of like the bully on the playground or in this case the Battlefield. It's tough and can take a pounding and no one wants to mess with it
The issue with the dedicated anti-borg role is the registry numbers, with several examples (including ones you've used in this video) in the 52xxx range. The Defiant is NX-74205; that's a big jump if both designs were instigated after Wolf 359. From what I can tell there are a few contradictory registry numbers for the USS Galaxy, but the lowest is NX-59637, and that suggests the Steamrunner class actually pre-dates the Galaxy class altogether. The small phaser strips are also unusual on later ships as you correctly note, but not the Ambassador class, which is notable for its small and disconnected phaser strips. I think this points to the Steamrunner class being the result of an earlier mini-rearmament phase. There's enough incidents and conflicts in the several decades pre-TNG to motivate a more combat oriented ship with approximately Ambassador class technology, and it's quite plausible that ships like that could be up-armored and upgraded in other ways when the threats started looking more immediate.
Before I even watch this video, this is one of my favorite designs it is a powerful ship. That has a very cool look to it. it just says stay out of my way or I will kick your butt
I’ve always really liked the Steamrunner class, but I do think that an underslung deflector would look better forward sweeping or swept back and above the saucer, like the Alkira, which is probably the reason it’s underslung to differentiate the designs, although I do like to see some design commonality so personally would have liked it above.
The Akira does not have an oversaucer deflector, it's deflector in under the saucer. The pod on the pylon over the saucer is a torpedo launcher, one of 18 the Akira has including a few that fire sideways out of the side of the saucer.
I should have been more clear, I was referring more to the pod, rather than what’s housed in it.
Then it wouldn't be it's own unique design. And it also defeats the functionality. Every ship doesn't need to be Akira-like
Very much an example of the tradeoff between looking good and being powerful.
3:17 I know it's called an "anti-Borg" ship, but it looks like this ship was designed to protect the nacelles from being targets based on the Jem' Hadar attack method of targeting engines and communications first....
I wish that alternate version was in STO, that would look very good.
Other than the odd placement of the deflector dish, I really like the looks of this ship. It makes me think of an old Fletcher-class destroyer, it looks fast sitting still and there's no question about if its a science ship. Its a mean nasty warship and if you piss it off it will kill you until you die from it.
I have somewhat interpreted this as a destroyer, yes (from prior video game references) Small, fast, agile, flexible.
The Steamrunner's deflector dish looks better where it is than it would if it were a tiny sliver on the front of the main hull.
@@deusexaethera It could stay the same size and be moved forward to where its slung under the hull rather than being impossible to get at like an Oberth.
I have been wanting to see a Picard/Legacy era update to the Defiant. IMO it should be close to half the size of the Enterprise D's saucer section. Now I see want I wanted is a Steamrunner with the center filled in. Now after seeing this video, I agree the deflector dish should be on the dorsal side.
To compare to a fantasy setting MMORPG, it sounds like this is the meat shield warrior brute that absorbs damage face-to-face with the enemy while the glass cannon wizards and mages sit way back and deal the heavy (quantum torpedo) damage from long range.
I think the steamrunner is one of the few ships that should have those OP close range weapons like the freedom classes drill. Or what is apparently the 3 sensor pod wave of death. Because that is its whole job, to in the front tanking hits and brawling all day.
it looks like a heavily armored nx-xx refit thats been modernized with some defiant class features!
The Steamrunner IMO always resembled the Lockheed P-38 Lightning. Tough, fast with a unique design.
Hey Venom Geek Media, mind checking out the Vulcan Ship that was in Lower Decks Season 2 and wondering why it wasn't used against the Dominion?
If only the embedded nacelle design became the new paradigm for Starfleet, instead of them just going back to the cliched _primary and secondary hull_ with _two nacelles on pylons_ for Picard's copy/paste fleet.
It could have become symbolic of the new Militarism of Starfleet, they were no longer explorers… they had pulled back.
And meanwhile their traditional Multirole do everything explorers still keep the old layout style.
Apparently that was the plan post Nemesis film for following outings … but with Nemesis crashing at the box office, and going the prequel route, that was abandoned.
Starfleet was going to have compact muscular ships (with integrated nacelles and a 'Defiant inspired layout') to show that the Dominion War had had a profound affect on Starfleets outlook.
But as far as the Steamrunner, I would have preferred it didn't have all that *negative space* and instead it was one continuous hull, to give the impression that it was a _tank in space_ that could take a beating from any angle.
Goes to show though. The designers obsession with negative space didn't start with DISCO. I would have definitely liked to see a continuation of the military starfleet. Maybe in lower decks
To be fair a negative space wouldn't be that bad for a "tank" in space. Can't hit a space that's not there. :D
Ironically the negative space approach was taken up again to a comical extent by STD with that ridiculous separation between the hulls and nacelles for no discernible practical purpose. There's a reason why Kurtzman's aesthetic choices don't sell merch, and that reason is they are just BAD. The premise and writing are, too, but the marketability of designs is especially poor.
@@The_Lucent_Archangel its the 31st century go nuts. floating parts could be useful in morphing the ship. but we don't see that.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Maybe? It honestly just comes off as a misplaced "cool" factor. I'll admit it's not quite as weird and just "bleh" as the Universe-Class. That's what they call the Enterprise-J type on STO, anyway. I have no idea what its class in alpha canon is.
The forward sweeping deflector section gives a more aggressive look which is appropriate for this ship
It also appeared in Star Trek First Contact when they were battling the Borg cub
I love this narrative. Absolutely love it. The first time I noticed this thing was in STA I & II. It was the most annoying artillery concept I had ever seen. Extremely slow, weapon's range made it impossible to escort, and like all generic artillery pieces, a paper cannon held together by elmer's glue. I definitely like this ship more than I used to.
Yeah I know some games cast it as a torpedo boat. But the akira has that covered.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 By the way, any chance of covering a really obscure class sometime... ? The Aegian-class frigate, from Armada II?
I see the ship they are calling the Steamrunner in Storm Front (screen right, roughly center); was trying to see for sure if its a Steamrunner or NX-Intrepid Class at a funky angle, but its pretty far back/small on screen so a tad hard to tell.
Oh SteamRunner Time! Fantastic! And yeah Venom, I like it more with the pod on top - kind of like the Achilles Class in STO.
Ive mentioned before but the steamrunner was an artillery ship in armada pc game so i thought thats what it was meant to be in trek. I didnt like the design when i first saw it but when i saw it in a decent set of pics i decided it was a smart design and i liked it. The nacelles built into the hull makes sense to me for armor etc. It still fits in with other fed ship designs but still has an original look so it gets points for that too.
Great video
Great one!
The overslung defector pod looks better then the under slung pod we got
Tough little ship that can take a hell of a beating smile and just keep going. Yeah that sounds like a badass little ship.
Also means the captains and crews of said ships likely are tough as nails, risk takers. I could see mechanics at space docks going nuts when a steam runner comes for scheduled service covered in gods knows how many phaser, or disruptor marks, or damage to stellar objects like stars or astroids or similar cause the ship is so damn tough that the damage didn't warrant dock repairs until they finally bit off something that took a while to chew through. Be fun if lower decks ever caught on to this and had beat to hell looking steam runners looking like they could rival the Millenium Falcon in who can be the best looking junker only going into docks cause its there time for service and engineering crews just crying at the sheer amount of damage they accumulated. .
It hits hard and it just won't die. I don't love it but I respect it
For the band, could it have been the song Streamrunner by Mortal, I believe they shared a few band members with Fold Zandura whom I think also preformed the song. Going back a couple decades in memory so might be wrong but if you are interested in hearing it might give you a starting point for looking on youtube.
I requested this ship! You Rock Venom!!
I’d love to see one on the Achilles class. A voyager sized defiant.
Heck, it's nearly Galaxy-sized, isn't it, @LucianLacroix ? 612 meters...
Makes no sense for the main deflector to be that far back, but maybe the field is very powerful & has no trouble projecting far enough forward of the bow to protect the ship while in warp.
honestly I think the steamrunner was purposely designed with an overpowered main deflector
I see Steam-runner as a replacement for the Miranda in fleets, with Saber as a replacement for Oberth and Miranda in combat.
So you got Saber/Steam-runner replacing what Miranda was being forced to do and what Miranda was managing to do.
Having engineering in the heavy armored pod you could just blow off the whole pod if warp core eject was broken (again)
Ahh yes the classic bullet sponge.
You're 100% right about the aesthetic. It's almost like the designer was being contrarian for the sake of it.
Like most TNG ships? I don't see the problem here.
I wish you had gone into detail about the 1-2 punch it was designed for in tandem with the Sabre class.
I think the reason the deflector dish hangs down is to give room to fire the rear torpedoes, it would be in the way and it would have to be pushing up higher, which would look weird
And yet in the Armada games and the Armada3 mod, it is used as a somewhat fragile artilerry ship
Just recieved an t6 Akira class in STO. This model is Right Behind it in yeetnees.
3 of my all-time favorite Starfleet ships @ 4:33. #Akira #Steamrunner & #Norway. My other favorite is the #Intrepid class.
I have two issues with this design.
1) The nacells support the engineering section in space.
2) The deflector dish is located BEHIND the main hull. Like that will help it move debris out from the ships path.
Why not? Most SF vessels direct energies well ahead of the ship, not just a field a few meters off the bow.
@@Euripides_Panz Because the hull is blocking the projection of energies in nearly all areas ahead of the ship.
@@nunya3163 how's that? From the images I've seen, the entire long-range sensor/deflector array 80% clears the hull at the keel and fields don't have to travel precisely ahead, they can be off a bit because they bulbous and are tuned to allow the hydrogen collectors to function.
@@Euripides_Panz 80% clear = 20% blocked. Also, because the deflector is both so far behind, and high up, it will be essentially incapable of deflecting anything above the centerline of the saucer. And that whole field changing shape thing does not jive with the design of the dish, which clearly emits a cone.
@@nunya3163 Clearly you know the design better than the designers. And see invisible fields.
A Akira class with two Steamrunners and a Vorcha and two K'Vorts would be a awesome team up. If in the Dominion war add two Valdore warbirds and perfect team up
Space tank, I love this ship. :)
Sorta like a Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt [ Warthog ]fighter plane!!
Just imagine what this could do with the Voyager's Armor tech... unyielding, unbreakable...
Its funny that this thing is a close up brawler but its a squishy long range artillery ship in the Armada games.
Yeah but that's already covered by the Norway and akira
They should have named the ship the Timex class . It takes a licking and keeps on ticking .
Funny how its a close range brute. In Star Trek Armada the Steamrunner was an artillery unit.
Good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sooo, the Steamrunner class is the Starfleet equivalent of the A10 Warthog? Fair enough.
I always liked the Steamrunner, second favorite after the Nebula Class, but if they'd put the deflector dish on top as in the concept art it might have passed the Nebula Class; Odyssey Class is third.
Norway akira and steam runner classes 💯
I love this ship so much
Steamrunner class: the freedom brick of the Federation. A task force of 2 of these and 3 Defiants would be a very nasty wing to deal with and could be perfect for interdiction and guerilla fighting.
I see this and immediately think back to your battle of the giants video. The tactics the Vorta used wouldn't have worked against a Federation Task Force. The Jem Hadar battleships worked because of weaknesses in Romulan ships and tactics. The fact that they had close with their big guns. Starfleet could sit their Sovereigns and cruisers at torpedo range easily side stepping the siege guns. Letting the Defiants and fighters take the attack ships and the Steamrunners wear down the defences of the Battleships and Battlecruisers.
Yeah it's a completely different doctrine and demands a different response.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Exactly. In that regard, the Cardassian battleship is better designed to face off against Federation and Klingon ships then the Jem Hadar battleship. In the end, the Dominion would have been better served building upgraded Hutet class battleships.
Star Trek First Contact has a Steam Runner in the Borg Earth battle as well.
Yes. We know. LOL It's where it debuted . The ONLY on screen appearance.
Thanks. Never got a notification on this one . ( UA-cam)
Fold Zandura is a 1990's Christian rock band with A Shoe Gaze/British Pop influence that formed out of the ashes of an Industrial Metal project called Mortal.
I absolutely adore the rugged look of the Steamrunner. My headcanon is that it was designed by Tellarites, their ship also tend to be pragmatic, though and shaped like a ram, just like themselves.
The only thing I hate is that the Impulse engines are pointed directly at the pylons. That is so weird. Star Trek Online makes it better with a variant where the impulse engines are *in* the pylons, though.
Surprisingly fits with what we see in enterprise too
The Steamrunner is Star Fleet's cockroach frigate. You stomp on it and it keeps on going .😮
can you do one of these about the sovereign class? good videos thus far
I thought the steamrunner only had a single forward torpedo tube. It was described as only having one tube in armada as an artillery ship which isnt official but a video i saw said it had one forward tube too. It having two forward torpedo tubes is odd rather than one fore one aft especially if its a close brawler as it would have to manouvre in close ranged combat and need an aft tube. I also heard it has quantum torpedoes. I thought i knew the steamrunners official traits compared to things from pc games etc that are not official but i should probably check. Nice vid btw
depends on which model you look at. but most of the up to date models give it two launchers.
Have there ever been any explanation of how gravity works in trek?
My 2nd fav after Norway class.
In Star Trek: Armada it was armed with tri-cobalt devices and used as an artillery platform.
Beta canon and videogame crap is quite silly
What do you think of STO's take on the ship as a Blockade Runner Escort?
Star Trek Armada’s coolest little ship
I love the Steamrunner class. It would be such a cool ship to see a tv or comic series based off of, between the combat capability and the police/patrol roles I think there would be a lot of cool stories to be written. With all the space for torpedoes, I imagine they could retrofit one and replace some of the torp magazines with science facilities and turn it into a super tough science ship.
A star trek cops show would be pretty interesting. Patrolling a sector and dealing with pirates.
Do you think it inspired the USS Intrepid on Enterprise?
I was thinking about. That. Similar vibe.
Sounds like the Y-Wing of the Federation.
I'm not a fan of that Deviant art render that seems to squish it's warp nacelles together pushing them out of line with the Bussard Collectors, it looks wrong. I suppose they didn't put the deflector/engineering section on top as they already had the Akira running round with it's pod on top and wanted to distinguish them from one another in long shots.
What if it has two cores, like the Intrepid MSD? Primary in the deflector module, and a secondary in the main hull.
The high deflector was probably too visually similar to the Akira's mission pod placement.
True but everything else would be different and one glows
maybe the steamrunner had the ability to disconnect from the aft deflector dish piece if there is a warp core breech
That's a lot of area to lose in my opinion. From the looks of the schematics, it seems that ejection of the warp core would be easy where it's at. Just drop it straight out and you're good.
So...wait. Hold on. The primary goal of Starfleet is scientific exploration, but it's the RESCUE ship that can take the lumps that exploration can often dish out? Here's a concept, and bear with me here: make the rescue ship the exploration ship. If it's a Steemrunner that ends up needing a rescue, you know that you're going to need a bigger ship for it anyway. It'd be great going off into the unknown on a tin foil hulled exploration ship knowing that there's likely a big strong Steemrunner out there probably no more than a week away to maybe pull your bacon out of the fire. Maybe.
W/ all the "perversion" of the Original Enterprise - 1701/1701A, the Steamrunner is gorgeous in it's deflecter down config.
The warp core has to be in the saucer. Flow reversing is too tedious.
Will champion 2 names, Corsair & Marauder. That's my 2 cents.
1A the initial Enterprise
1B the Defiant
1C the Steamrunner! Many thanx & be safe 🦊
I mean when you point it out it does look like the ships ball sac is showing lol
i really like this ship
Would this be more asthetically pleasing if the deflector dish was on top?
and blue?
The problem with changing the angles on the Steamrunner, is that it would look quite similar, top-down, as the Akira. That one design, however unlikable to look at, separates this design from the other Borg task force ships, and burns itself into our imaginations, unequivocally.
I didn't much cared for this design before your video, but I kind of like it now that you've said all that :-)
By the way, did you get a chance to look at my Inquisitor class on trekyards?
i did indeed. very intresting design. but personally i don't think the federation could or would try to match the dominion battleship. the closest they get is the Odyssey and thats almost 50 years later.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 thanks a Lot for looking into it, I agree the federation wouldn't do it, it was invisioned mostly for fun when I was younger :-)
Sometimes you just have to brute force it
Kind of looks like a frog, or a flounder with two eyes on one side!
This model never made any sense when considering the class was a "bruiser", the deflector is incredibly vulnerable in that position.
Not really. It's placed at the very back of the ship. Heavily armoured. From most angles you won't get a clear shot at it.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 The only way it's covered is if the ship is pointing at a target and tilting slightly down so the main body of the ship is covering it. In any other position it can be shot at (from the side, rear, ventral, dorsal, and even the front, as it dangles below the main body). To me, it makes better sense to stick it on the secondary hull and use that heavy armor to cover that area around the deflector, and therefore the warp core. When placed on the secondary hull in the usual position it is completely covered from the top and rear. Just my opinion.
Good ship got this in sto torp boat love this is made to take a beating it can fire on you but it’s there to piss off the enemy agro them and keep going while others finish the target
Not sure if you done the other ships but if not do the saber akira and Norway