Manaka Unsui & Stephen K. Hayes 1988 - talking about Bujinkan basics and how to practice
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- Опубліковано 23 жов 2011
- This is a video clip from a 1988 seminar in the US with Mr. Manaka, who at the time was still a member and Shihan of the Bujinkan under Hatsumi sensei. Here he and Stephen K. Hayes talk about their fears for the future of the art and its practitioners - because of how people try to emulate Sôke without going through the necessary steps before that. This was 1988. Now it is 2011. More than twenty years later. Mr. Manaka's advice regarding practice doesn't seem to have been taken seriously...
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Manaka sensei - simply the best.
There is no superior martial art. Only a superior martial artist.
Also for clarification many of his dojo's still teach traditional technique for those who are interested. And Mr. Hayes has never "trashed" Hatusmi. We have never been taught anything but respect for the grandmaster and the bujinkan. If anything Mr. Hayes simply has a different way of teaching. Both Bujinkan Ninjutsu and To Shin Do have proven to be effective form of self defense. But remember, the highest ideal is that there is no "technique" just instinct.
Over 20 years old but still runs true to today.
now over 30 years old - and Yes
Sigh, Mr. Hayes has not been "kicked out" of the Bujinkan. Nor has he attempted to teach "fake" ninjutsu. To Shin Do is a martial art created using the Bujinkan traditions as a foundation for something more practical in the modern world. You must remember that the Bujinkan arts were developed for use against enemies who fought differently, carried different weaponry, and were sometimes fully armored. To Shin Do takes the Bujinkan concepts and applies them to modern situations.
TheOctopusFilms Bujinkan is survived till our time because is is flexible and it adapts easily to modern days. If one needs another martial art more “practical” it means that he didn’t study profoundly the art.. no excuse, peace
This is very good. I have made a point to avoid the many teachers who teach in such a way for a very similar reason.
@resolutesamurai Whether Mr. Hayes has been kicked out or not is not is another issue. The important thing is the message, and in no part of the video does he or Mr. Manaka show any kind of "trashing" or disrespect toward Sôke.
Hayes is right, cause there is to much ego in dojos by teachers & students and it's all about the dollar, so yeah he is making a responsible comment plus most teachers in ninjitsu either havn't
been in a combat situation or
Oh yeah, because "first" isn't a prepositional phase. Good point, Shihan of grammar.
Would love to read the essay he wrote. Is it still available? Was it in Sanmyaku or some other publication?
@champwagner I don't think Mr. Hayes has trashed Sôke - especially not in this video - and the points in the video are made by Mr. Manaka, who is the one speaking. If you say that you have absorbed the art, I suggest you first learn to be respectful before you make such claims.
@hammermill1970 In BlackBelt Mag. Hayes said He was ashamed of his art, He visited Aikido seminars thru YellowSprings Aikido, Then changed his art to ToShinDo
The problem is not lack of 'rough training', the problem is weak technique training. Often not enough time have been put down in acquiring the proper foundation, and sometimes the training is just plain wrong. Also, very often techniques are done too sloppy and not enough time is spent with polishing the details of each technique.
There is no "advanced" techniques. There is only basics. And you will NEVER be finished training the basics, the basics just becomes more detailed.
shame about the sound near the end
I usually don't like politics but I am curious how you can prove it?
people train too softly and haven't gone through the "rough years"
Try learning the deadly art of punctuation, first. It'll make your comments much more legible.
Problem with people under Kacem is they are the opposite extreme. They will do gogyo and kihon for 20 years before they even explore henka. You'll probably die of cancer first before you go beyond the basics. You need a balance so that if you actually get into a real fight in the next 2 years you have some creativity to deal with that.
Truth Master I've been a student of Kacem for ten years, and what you are describing is very much false. Variations and change is the basis of everything, and as the student progresses so do the forms. The thing you probably WON'T see a student of Kacem do very often is a slow dance of ten steps around an uke who did just one tsuki.
I have trained at a few kacem dojo's and I have not seen that. Things might be different with yours. Kacem is to focused on kata and technique. It's all about what your looking for. When a 3rd dan of his can't do a henka or can't defend against a random attack something is wrong there. Also form is important at the beginning but maintaining it in a real fight is unrealistic. Thats why you need to know how to work outside the form. Pull a real knife on even a good student see what happens to there kamae. Look his students do basics very well but thats only one piece of the pie. Tactics, breathing concepts, and more dynamic training like multiple opponents, knife work ,and gun are absent from this training. He takes one piece of the pie and does it well. But there are other aspects of the art and combat training that I don't see his students doing.
Truth Master I don't know whose dojo you trained at, but one thing is certain - during the ten years that I have known Kacem and been his student, I have never heard him tell me or anyone else to get stuck in the basics. On the contrary. However, most people can't even demonstrate a proper ichimonji no kamae and use correct body structure to strike. If you can't do that, there's no need to go beyond your level. If you personally already have a Japanese master who is taking you through the nine ryu, then I don't think you need to worry about Kacem or his students. Just keep going on your path and all will be well.
Truth Master i think you still really need to do gogyo and kihon for some time..
Hayes is calling himself a grand master now LOL.
+stewie grifin Technically, he is. He has his own school. To-Shin Do. Him being the head of it. Makes him both Soke and the grandmaster of it. Still not as bad-ass as Hatsumi appears to be.