Crazy how both Zerg bonjwas got caught cheating. Both Savior and Life were the best Zerg players at the time they got caught match-fixing. It’s sad that with Life we never got to see him play out his whole gaming career.
It's sad to see such a talent get banned because of matchfixing. He deserved it don't get me wrong, but it's still sad. Reminds me of Swag and IBuyPower matchfixing.
Match fixing destroys the whole sport. They guy deserved to be in jail, or sued. Its not like he made a mistake. he actively chose to conspire to commit fraud.
Life was the best player (or at least the best Zerg in the world) at the time he got caught matchfixing, but Savior was 3 years separated from the end of his prime years. I remember in Brood War back in early 2010 when the matchfixing scandal was revealed 10 or so players were caught cheating - mostly Zergs and a couple of Terrans. I dont think there were Protoss players involved, which is kinda funny, considering that on the ladder Protoss players are the biggest dirtbags abusers and cheesers :)
It also brought about the beginning of SC2's downfall in SK. It's sad too because he would have been able to get so much money he didn't really need to fix matches.
I love this kind of content. When I was in college, starting in 2002, I was obsessed with Brood War, and I had been playing it since about 1996, I believe. I mostly played 1v1 and 3v3 fastest possible map, 3v3 bgh, and use map settings games, and when I found out there was a huge televised Korean scene with like superstars like Boxer, I was like "holy shit, these people know where it's at" because all my friends moved on from starcraft. I eventually started playing low money maps 1v1, and now that's pretty much all I play when I get the chance, but all my friends stopped playing in like 1998, so it has been awesome having the Korean scene there to keep the game going. I love learning about the history that I missed, because I only started following the ASL closely in like 2019 or something; before that, all I knew was that Boxer was a big deal.
Hi Tasteless. I got to meet you, Artosis, Sean, and DJ Wheat at MLG Columbus in 2010. Absolutely love these videos about the history of the sport. Please do make more
I'm 40 years old. Warcraft 2 w/ Kali was the best experience I had with a video game especially having dial up as a means of online play. Starcraft 1 came out and honestly, that game was everything Warcraft 2 had but improved EVERYTHING. It didn't feel like I was leaving Warcraft 2 but entering a new world of RTS. Starcraft 2 came out and maybe my age had a role in this, but I don't feel like that shift happened. Starcraft 2 was a different game and I think Starcraft 2 is a great game, but its not Starcraft 1 or Warcraft 2. That's where its difficult to keep the same audience imo. Btw, I think a Warcraft VS Starcraft RTS would be epic. Nothing to do with what I just said.
I think what makes it more tragic to me about the whole thing is when you read something like "God of the Battlefield: Part 1" and you just see how amazing Savior was, it just becomes more tragic. That one of the best Zerg players of all time is forever clouded in scandal. The closest I can come to comparing it would be like if Babe Ruth was caught throwing games back in the 30s (or if Ohtani had actually been betting on games)
I just want you to know that I really like the series with SC beginnings and various interesting facts. thanks for being here and creating. Your viewer from Poland
Yes boxer had some great dropship games on island maps with Goliath drop vs hydra drops and I remember a game where he played vs flash and used 4 goliaths with Charon boosters to target flash's dropship which snowballed in his favor.
I got to watch WCS finals live in 2015 - Life vs. sOs. So heartbreaking when Life got caught match fixing. His games were incredible to watch - and I normally don't even like watching Zerg that much.
The Life vs Maru Intel Extreme Masters finals was what got me into Starcraft--literally wouldn't be viewing this video if it wasn't for Life. I sometimes wonder what influenced him to do it. Was it just greed? In any case, it's cathartic to see this topic being talked about objectively.
I think there's another video out there going much more in-depth by one of the people involved learning about and exposing the matchfixing. He explains how it was a bunch of young guys that didn't understand the larger harm it could bring. They were basically kids that didn't see a stable future so they were tempted and told it's not a big deal to make a little extra. Course Savior running around with a brand new Rolex is a different situation.
About SC in Asian Games, I was hopeful when SC2 was in the Asian Games 2018. I thought that there's a chance for SC or SC2 to be in e-sport olympic. The Korean players might push the agenda harder than anyone, because it could be a ticket for them to not do military service. With it, they could prolong their gaming career, and keep the scene competitive. Sadly, it doesn't seem doing well....
The coined term "Bonjwa" originated from Savior first. The term was then coined to his predecessors "Boxer, Nada, iloceooc" after their respective reigns. Hence there's a saying that Savior is the truly the one and only "Bonjwa".
I noticed that people are willing to talk about Life by name, but when it comes to Savior, no body even wants to say his ID like he's Voldimort. curious.
Savior sucked by the time he got caught though. Stopped practicing and started coasting and living off of the dirty money. I think the loss to Bisu destroyed him. Maybe he wouldn't have done it if Bisu hadn't wrecked him so hard.
All E-sports are infested with matchfixing. The sad truth is that these players make more money fixing than they do competing. You can thank the gambling empire and sponsors for that.
The pessimism or catastrophe mentality you see in the starcraft community here, is pretty much a common thing in online communities. Any problem, dip of viewership, scandal, etc. is surrounded by “x is dead” and stuff. P.E., if a youtuber has an scandal, while it lasts they all claim the youtuber’s career is over, and stuff, then they’re still online years later. vTuber communities also keep saying “western vtubers are dying” or “company A is dying” and such when a single one has a problem. Is very common for people to exaggerate these things in their dumb heads.
Gamers are very whiny in general. Over dramatic tweens is my generalization. And this is coming from a fellow gamer. I've been playing video games since the early 90s and behavior has only gotten worse
that's because StarCraft has always been fighting uphill battle among public perception. BW had to fight against tons of negative reputation because it was a video game. SC in Korea, as big as it was, always had to fight for it's legitimacy as a place as a competition in sporting sense. There was a show viewed a lot by older audience called "morning forum" where they invited Boxer and pretty much attacked him accusing of StarCraft making youth violent and angry/addicted. And with matchfixing scandal/gambling came and pretty much damaged a fledging that was about to break into more legitimate competition. League has moved on past and established itself while BW took a massive blow there.
Hey Tasteless - I like this kind of content but I wish you would do it more as a walkthrough of history from someone who was intimate with the scene at the time rather than commentary on a video of someone else talking through it
i dont think cheating is a good name. that lets people thing of he getting an advantage for some reason. but he basicly lost maps for money i dont think there was a better game in starcraft ever, i seriously think savior was a level ahead of flash
True. Tasteless makes the title kinda misleading. It makes savior look like he cheats for game advantage to be considered bonjwa, but in reality it's match fixing as he loses on purpose for illegal bets. Skill wise he was dominating in his era, and was considered a revolutionist.
i wanna know what flash says but i dont wanna stick around to read the subtitles. it would be cool if you did a voiceover or something and didnt pause and resume over and over and over again
Brood war should be in the olympics. The physical skill needed is intense. Mentally it’s even more taxing, but physically u have to be in great shape. It’s like car racing. It doesn’t seem like it’s hard, but it’s incredibly hard mentally and physically. Also… STOP CALLING IT STACRAFT 1. It’s Starcraft OR Brood War. Starcraft 1 is a retronym.
Korea would win constantly. I'm not against calling it a sport or Olympic worthy... But most nations can't field competition that'll have a snowflake in hell's chance
Watching this guy talk while eating while awful Korean hip-hop plays. I swear they play this kind of stuff in North Korea, to steel their resolve in communism.
I actually found and watched NK movie like that on some site I don't remember. They show things like Kensington avenue and them strange groups of people that shop for free.
![Snow With 200/200 Scouts Vs. Artosis [TRANSLATED]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/owDlsiWZP-M/mqdefault.jpg)
Crazy how both Zerg bonjwas got caught cheating. Both Savior and Life were the best Zerg players at the time they got caught match-fixing. It’s sad that with Life we never got to see him play out his whole gaming career.
It's sad to see such a talent get banned because of matchfixing. He deserved it don't get me wrong, but it's still sad. Reminds me of Swag and IBuyPower matchfixing.
Match fixing destroys the whole sport. They guy deserved to be in jail, or sued.
Its not like he made a mistake. he actively chose to conspire to commit fraud.
ya can't trust zerg players man, smh
Life was the best player (or at least the best Zerg in the world) at the time he got caught matchfixing, but Savior was 3 years separated from the end of his prime years. I remember in Brood War back in early 2010 when the matchfixing scandal was revealed 10 or so players were caught cheating - mostly Zergs and a couple of Terrans. I dont think there were Protoss players involved, which is kinda funny, considering that on the ladder Protoss players are the biggest dirtbags abusers and cheesers :)
It also brought about the beginning of SC2's downfall in SK. It's sad too because he would have been able to get so much money he didn't really need to fix matches.
I love this kind of content. When I was in college, starting in 2002, I was obsessed with Brood War, and I had been playing it since about 1996, I believe. I mostly played 1v1 and 3v3 fastest possible map, 3v3 bgh, and use map settings games, and when I found out there was a huge televised Korean scene with like superstars like Boxer, I was like "holy shit, these people know where it's at" because all my friends moved on from starcraft. I eventually started playing low money maps 1v1, and now that's pretty much all I play when I get the chance, but all my friends stopped playing in like 1998, so it has been awesome having the Korean scene there to keep the game going.
I love learning about the history that I missed, because I only started following the ASL closely in like 2019 or something; before that, all I knew was that Boxer was a big deal.
The game came out in 1998 though.
If you still play we should do some 1v1 or 2v2 sometime. Add me. RandomUser @uswest
@@alexfriedman2152 yeah, i didn't feel like looking it up. I got it right when it came out.
Hi Tasteless. I got to meet you, Artosis, Sean, and DJ Wheat at MLG Columbus in 2010. Absolutely love these videos about the history of the sport. Please do make more
I'm 40 years old. Warcraft 2 w/ Kali was the best experience I had with a video game especially having dial up as a means of online play.
Starcraft 1 came out and honestly, that game was everything Warcraft 2 had but improved EVERYTHING. It didn't feel like I was leaving Warcraft 2 but entering a new world of RTS.
Starcraft 2 came out and maybe my age had a role in this, but I don't feel like that shift happened. Starcraft 2 was a different game and I think Starcraft 2 is a great game, but its not Starcraft 1 or Warcraft 2. That's where its difficult to keep the same audience imo.
Btw, I think a Warcraft VS Starcraft RTS would be epic. Nothing to do with what I just said.
10:30 Matchfixing was not before SC2 was announced. SC2 was announced 2007(maybe 2008). Matchfixing scandal happened 2010, after SC2 beta was out.
I think what makes it more tragic to me about the whole thing is when you read something like "God of the Battlefield: Part 1" and you just see how amazing Savior was, it just becomes more tragic. That one of the best Zerg players of all time is forever clouded in scandal. The closest I can come to comparing it would be like if Babe Ruth was caught throwing games back in the 30s (or if Ohtani had actually been betting on games)
I just want you to know that I really like the series with SC beginnings and various interesting facts. thanks for being here and creating. Your viewer from Poland
Absolutely LOVE this kind of game history content from you! I’d be super interested in a video of how BoxeR innovated drop ship play!!!
Yes boxer had some great dropship games on island maps with Goliath drop vs hydra drops and I remember a game where he played vs flash and used 4 goliaths with Charon boosters to target flash's dropship which snowballed in his favor.
Please make a lot more history content :) I absolutely love it.
I got to watch WCS finals live in 2015 - Life vs. sOs. So heartbreaking when Life got caught match fixing. His games were incredible to watch - and I normally don't even like watching Zerg that much.
Life, aka "he who shall not be named" was so fun to watch... his games were some of the most exciting ones to watch at the time
I still wonder if Idra leaving games was match fixing such as that game vs MMA
You definitely have a good pulse on making interesting and engaging content for a while now. Keep this up. I definitely enjoy them
he is not making content. he is stealing from others!
The Life vs Maru Intel Extreme Masters finals was what got me into Starcraft--literally wouldn't be viewing this video if it wasn't for Life. I sometimes wonder what influenced him to do it. Was it just greed?
In any case, it's cathartic to see this topic being talked about objectively.
Think PiG posted a video about it just recently, Life was a gambling addict and most likely gambled all of his winnings away.
I think there's another video out there going much more in-depth by one of the people involved learning about and exposing the matchfixing. He explains how it was a bunch of young guys that didn't understand the larger harm it could bring. They were basically kids that didn't see a stable future so they were tempted and told it's not a big deal to make a little extra. Course Savior running around with a brand new Rolex is a different situation.
Ah Savior.... the man had it all, and squandered it.
This was interesting, would love more insights into other behind the scenes stuff
I saw a dude with a money hack not too long ago, like 6months..
Still got the replay
About SC in Asian Games, I was hopeful when SC2 was in the Asian Games 2018. I thought that there's a chance for SC or SC2 to be in e-sport olympic. The Korean players might push the agenda harder than anyone, because it could be a ticket for them to not do military service. With it, they could prolong their gaming career, and keep the scene competitive. Sadly, it doesn't seem doing well....
I didn’t know all that about Pyeongchang! 🎉
The coined term "Bonjwa" originated from Savior first. The term was then coined to his predecessors "Boxer, Nada, iloceooc" after their respective reigns.
Hence there's a saying that Savior is the truly the one and only "Bonjwa".
I noticed that people are willing to talk about Life by name, but when it comes to Savior, no body even wants to say his ID like he's Voldimort. curious.
Savior sucked by the time he got caught though. Stopped practicing and started coasting and living off of the dirty money.
I think the loss to Bisu destroyed him. Maybe he wouldn't have done it if Bisu hadn't wrecked him so hard.
All E-sports are infested with matchfixing. The sad truth is that these players make more money fixing than they do competing. You can thank the gambling empire and sponsors for that.
Can you please make some videos about Jaedong? That is my favorite player
The pessimism or catastrophe mentality you see in the starcraft community here, is pretty much a common thing in online communities. Any problem, dip of viewership, scandal, etc. is surrounded by “x is dead” and stuff. P.E., if a youtuber has an scandal, while it lasts they all claim the youtuber’s career is over, and stuff, then they’re still online years later. vTuber communities also keep saying “western vtubers are dying” or “company A is dying” and such when a single one has a problem. Is very common for people to exaggerate these things in their dumb heads.
Gamers are very whiny in general. Over dramatic tweens is my generalization. And this is coming from a fellow gamer. I've been playing video games since the early 90s and behavior has only gotten worse
that's because StarCraft has always been fighting uphill battle among public perception.
BW had to fight against tons of negative reputation because it was a video game. SC in Korea, as big as it was, always had to fight for it's legitimacy as a place as a competition in sporting sense. There was a show viewed a lot by older audience called "morning forum" where they invited Boxer and pretty much attacked him accusing of StarCraft making youth violent and angry/addicted.
And with matchfixing scandal/gambling came and pretty much damaged a fledging that was about to break into more legitimate competition. League has moved on past and established itself while BW took a massive blow there.
your content is perfect, keep up the good work!
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thanks for this content dude, keep it up. cheers
The golden years
Hey Tasteless - I like this kind of content but I wish you would do it more as a walkthrough of history from someone who was intimate with the scene at the time rather than commentary on a video of someone else talking through it
Where's savior now?
He streams, or did last year. China allows him to play in tourneys there too.
He occasionally plays in China but against Chinese players and washed up korean ex pros. He isn't allowed to play in Korea anymore
much love all
i dont think cheating is a good name. that lets people thing of he getting an advantage for some reason.
but he basicly lost maps for money
i dont think there was a better game in starcraft ever, i seriously think savior was a level ahead of flash
True. Tasteless makes the title kinda misleading. It makes savior look like he cheats for game advantage to be considered bonjwa, but in reality it's match fixing as he loses on purpose for illegal bets. Skill wise he was dominating in his era, and was considered a revolutionist.
ty jinjin
sad story
i wanna know what flash says but i dont wanna stick around to read the subtitles. it would be cool if you did a voiceover or something and didnt pause and resume over and over and over again
yes please more!
Wondering if, and to what degree, the Random race prevents match fixing
What?
There's no way he cheated
Brood war should be in the olympics. The physical skill needed is intense. Mentally it’s even more taxing, but physically u have to be in great shape. It’s like car racing. It doesn’t seem like it’s hard, but it’s incredibly hard mentally and physically.
Also… STOP CALLING IT STACRAFT 1. It’s Starcraft OR Brood War. Starcraft 1 is a retronym.
true starcraft 1 is a great game
if you say "starcraft" most people will think sc2.
Bro look at JulyZerg, you don’t have to be in great shape LMAO
Korea would win constantly. I'm not against calling it a sport or Olympic worthy... But most nations can't field competition that'll have a snowflake in hell's chance
@@ThePorpoisepower Ya that’s true. No competition.
Watching this guy talk while eating while awful Korean hip-hop plays. I swear they play this kind of stuff in North Korea, to steel their resolve in communism.
I actually found and watched NK movie like that on some site I don't remember. They show things like Kensington avenue and them strange groups of people that shop for free.
I don't think anyone would have their resolve in communism reinforced by watching people eat, if anything its probably the opposite.
I was expecting this to be about Life. What was that? 😅
Oh you mentioned it at the end lol