The Truth About Turkish Guns!
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In the USA we see Turkish guns mostly as being branded by other makers/importers. Mossberg, CZ, Weatherby, Winchester and others market Turkish guns under their name.
About 5 years ago I bought a pair of Huglu 20 gauge guns which were being closed out. They were labeled as "Zenith Tedna" and had the model name "Excellence". It is a branded version of the Huglu 103. They are false sidelock style, so plenty of room for engraving and case coloring.
I bought one each for my wife and I, hers in silver finish, mine is case colored finish. I got them for under $500 each.
They have been excellent. Outstanding wood, fit finish and perfect function after 5 years weekly use for sporting clays. They are very slim in profile and the fit and finish is generally much better than what I see on Mossberg and CZ Turkish made O/U's.
We live in Florida, so we shoot year 'round. Usually 100 targets/week. They have held up perfectly.
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huğlu is one of the top brands in Turkey. Also hatsan, sarsılmaz, ata etc is really good.
I have several Turkish guns and they have been outstanding!!!
Here in the US all the Turkish guns I’ve seen were sold under well known name brands, Mossberg, CZ, Winchester etc. I’ve owned a Tristar viper g2 which was made by Armsan and within 6-7 months it developed a crack in the bolt. The bolt appears to be made up of several pieces welded. I sold it. The other was a CZ drake 20ga o/u which is made by Huglu. That one is excellent. So I guess it depends on which one you get, some are good and others not do much.
I’ve seen some Yildiz over/under being sold for more than Mossberg and CZ. And honestly, I’d buy Yildiz.
I own two turkish shotguns. A Panzer arms AR 12 and a EAA Girsan mc312. I've had the Panzer AR 12 for 4 years and the Girsan mc312 I got it 2 weeks ago. They are like a Toyota Corolla. Inexpensive, well made and easy to maintain. I've put through around 2000 shells through the AR 12 and less than a dozen jams in total (mostly low brass). While the Girsan mc312 I've put 100 rds through to break it in with some medium brass birdshot and no jams whatsoever. The AR 12 I used it for feral pigs and rabbits while the Girsan mc312 will be my go to for pigeons, ducks and geese.
You are right
Huğlu is the best one from Turkey... How Yıldız can be in US market for almost 40 years ? The company founded in 1998. Huğlu is not a private company but workers cooperative... Their history started with WW1. Huğlu has the most talented gunsmiths.
Great video. I’m in Australia and I’ve got the Sulun arms, honestly hasn’t missed a beat, such a good gun
Ata, Yildiz, Akus and Huglu are top ones. Don’t regret if you buy any.
Adler is big in Australia with their straight pull and lever action shotguns, they are great for hunting and general shooting. Not a huge amount of over/under Turkish shotguns here but there is some nice synthetic stock Hatsuns I am keen on.
The Huglu Renova straight pull scatter stick has a really smooth action. It is an affordable hunting tool.
I have a yildiz sporter. Cost about 800 and its excellent. For the money you get so much. Very happy with it.
We have two of the yildiz hps sporters and they have been great.
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Shot a Prostar demo a couple of months ago. In the process of buying one. Great gun with great wood. In USA it is about $4,250. Cheers
Man, you know what. I really thank you for these videos. I live in Burdur, Türkiye, where Yıldız's HQ and factory is located. I was almost about to buy another brand for my first shotgun because almost there is no good quality content in Turkish about Yıldız, so weird. I will order my first shotgun directly from its factory next week. Thank you for all these content, it really helped me to decide.
ASalam o alaikum. @mustafatufan hope you will good and happy may Allah give you good and healthy life. I am from Pakistan and also a lover of over under shotguns and I used to buy myself a Better shotgun in Turkish model like yildiz or huglu would you guide me about their prices in Turkey and it's impossible that i buy a shotgun from turkey so they can send me to Pakistan...
Your well wisher from Pakistan..❤
ATA super sport with adjustable comb for under £800 simply cannot be topped. Far more suitable for a first timer and the added weight reduces recoil.
Great show..just tuned in. How much are your TSC caps please
I have owned shotguns from ATA, Yildiz and Huglu. I find the Huglu the best of the bunch by a good margin. Better fit and finish, better triggers, and barrels regulated better. They tend to cost more here in the USA. Only the cheaper models are brought in by CZ. In Canada you can buy the nicer models they make. The ATA and Yildiz that come in and sold by the big brand stores are all bottom end guns. I wish CZ was not the sole importer of Huglu in the US as they make a LTE of very nice guns that CZ won't import.
Here in Kazakhstan ATA the most popular inertia semi-auto, but in terms of sport berettas number 1 and few brownings
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Would you go for one the mentioned brands or a bettonsoli? Thanks.
Not sponsored by Yildiz in any way then:)
We have lots of gun brands that work along side us not just Yildiz Thanks TSC Team.
@@TSCTheshootingchannel Only ribbing ya - sporting and game.
I’m sure browning loves their brand name being flashed across the start of this video
All they are doing is putting lipstick on a 🐖. The quality of metal in these guns compared Italian or Japanese or German guns is way lower. Just because there is a warranty doesn't mean you can get it fixed.... Lol . Most Turkish guns are very light Which = a lot of recoil.
Do you work for the Kurdish Embassy?
My Armsan A612 is a trooper, will fire anything. Never clean it and it still cycles.
My "Weatherby Orion I" is made by Ata.
It's still ok and the price was great.👍
Between baikal and yildiz which 1 you will prefer plz
Hello, how much do you trust the steel bed with Roara and is it Ergal?
I love my Dickinson Plantation 20 bore. I’m a lefty. I also like my a CZ BobwhiteG2 southpaw 20 bore.
Jim
Greetings from Houston, Texas.
as a Turk I prefer Huğlu ,ı have 25 years old one,Still working well
I used to be skeptical with Turkish shotguns, but I'm now conquered, and I do like them they're good and reliable for the price ! I've got all types, semi-auto, pump, over-under of different brands ATA, Khan Arms, Hatsan, there's for sure a certain gun xenophobia against these amongst hunters and shooters
I have a CZ Redhead, very happy with it so far.
Love my ata sp laminated shoots great shot around 1k cartridges through it now over 3 months
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I recently visited my local RFD with the intent on purchasing a Yildiz Pro Sport and after handling one and a nearly new Browning 725 Sporter for about the same money i went for the Browning.
It just felt better quality and suited me more than the Yildiz. I have to say the wood on the Yildiz blew the Browning out of the water but wood doesn't break clays. I wasn't keen on the extended chokes you get with the Yildiz being 1/2 and full, no good for ESP in my opinion, a much better option would have been 3/8 and 1/2.
Anyway, i'm happy as i'm sure someone else will be with the Pro Sport.
The Huglu BH100 S Pro looks impressive what do you think? It also has an adjustable comb.......?
Please do a video on the Weatherby Orion sportster 12 gauge over under shotgun, you do absolutely amazing at describing shotguns and showing them off, the newer ones if i remember correctly are Turkish, and in my opinion look quite amazing for what you pay for them, but I would feel you would do amazing showing them off and describing them, and they are if I remember correctly styled off of the Berretta Silver Pigeon.
The dickinson range of estate and plantation side by sides in 20g are very nice turkish shotguns. Too bad there's been no review of them.
Made by Akus?
As are the SKB current O/U models. I'm longing for the 690 28ga. 28" barrel
I purchased a Yildiz HPS Legacy 20ga largely based on the strength of your information and videos. I love it so far; as many have commented it is stiff and needs oil in several places right out of the box, the barrel selector for instance.
The quality of the wood on the stock is astonishing for a gun that retails for $650 at Academy in the US - substantially nicer than the wood on an Italian gun of a friend I shot with, which costs 4-5x as much.
Overall it's an excellent value for the money to get ejectors, barrel selector, external chokes, manual safety, and mechanical triggers at that price. The trigger is a bit heavier than one might prefer but again, price point.
Thanks very much for all the information you provide, it is helpful to shooters not just in the UK but also in the US.
And to those who rib you about being sponsored by Yildiz, you make that quite clear in the intros to the videos and I take it as a point of credibility that you are transparent about it.
Keep up the good work!!
A few months ago I bought a Huglu Renova for $580 (19K Turkish Liras). We have been using German and French rifles in our family for generations, so I think I have a say in whether a rifle is good or not. In terms of price/performance, I can say with certainty that the Huglu Renova does a better job than some $900 rifles. If you are in doubt, go ahead and buy it. You will thank me.
I’ve got a Hatsan and a Yildiz they are fantastic value for money and don’t go wrong
ive had both a hatzan and a armazan semi autos both after i sold my beretta and not being a gun snob id say both perfomed really good and both a very cheap price id buy either of them again with no worrys atall
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Help!!! Im thinking about an Otus Arms but i cant seem to find anything about them expect that theyre “maufactered by the same company that manufactures benelli” and im very skeptical of their 1700$ price tag. Am i wrong to be cautious of them because i cant find anything on them older than 6 months and it confuses me greatly ! Thanks
Yildiz Sporting HPS.... WOW features for the price.
Think you probably should have done a like for like pricewise i.e. the black action Yildiz (£850) versus Adjustable ATA Supersport (£890) that also comes withthe extra internal/external chokes. I am of course a little biased as i have an Adjustable ATA Supersport but feel that the adjustable comb ATA included in the £890 price gave me more practical shooting value for the money over a hard case.
Hello mate, how long have you had your ata, how much use has it seen and have you had any issues with it?
@@olivercodling8691 Hi m8, I've had mine just over 9 months, out about twice a month, 150-250 shots per outting, no problems so far, just abit stiff as it's still new but apart from that I love it. No plans to sell it as its my 1st brand new gun. Had an older Rizzini before and shooting better with ATA. Traded the Rizzini in against it so had very little to pay against the ATA.
Currently looking at an ATA airgun to go along with my shotgun I've been that impressed with ATA. Hope this helps.
Hello from Turkiye. I want to buy " ata."
I was worried about the price and quality ratio.
It was easy to decide with this video. Thank you.❤
My first gun is a CZ Teal. It says Huglu on the receiver, so I’m assuming that’s who made it..Used it for over a year. No issues.
I have had shotguns since I was 7 and have been shooting with shotguns since I was a child. I've shot different brands from all over the world; Italian, US American, German, English and French. I don't want to name the manufacturers here. Every shotgun and every manufacturer has advantages and disadvantages. There is almost no manufacturer who offers a complete package. I would like to mention here that I am a passionate trap shooter. Olympic Trap, Universal Trap and Double Trap. If you look at the very good trap shotguns on the market, it is usually the case that the price is just excessively high. Every shooter who has ever familiarized himself with the subject knows the phenomenon and asks himself: "Why on earth are these shotguns so expensive? They all look almost the same!". On one gun it's the wood, on the other it's the engraving, on the other it's the mechanism, one gun has this, the other gun has this... That's why I'm happy to write my opinion on here would like. I've owned the HT-14 for 2 years now and have shot over 50,000 times. The shotgun has not once had a fault. I have an 11mm wide frame with a red and fluorescent fiberglass front sight. My stock is grade 3 Turkish walnut. The barrels are made of 4140 steel and my receiver is black with the red HT-14 lettering. The receiver is diamond cut and I have automatic ejectors. I can use the selector to choose upper or lower barrel and my trigger doesn't have to wait for the recoil of the first shot to fire the second. The shotgun has the caliber 12/76 and steel shot proofing up to 1/2 choke. There are 5 chokes available: cylinder, 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 and full. My flint has a total weight of 4100 grams. The weight can vary depending on the grade of wood. But the most important thing is my shaft. Every shotgun shoots but the stock hits. With my HT-14, the recoil pad, the drop and the cast are fully adjustable. This is an absolute highlight. If you look at the shaft prices from the well-known manufacturers, you'll be amazed. Incidentally, the shotgun was delivered in a beautiful and lockable gun case with the Huğlu emblem. The suitcase alone would cost quite a bit. Long story short. What I want to say; please look at the shotgun and just think... several thousand euros for a shotgun or the Huğlu HT-14 for the price? You can see the prices on the Huğlu Germany website. I give you my word that this shotgun is at least as good as very expensive shotguns and that sport with this shotgun is a lot of fun. Made in Türkiye is really good. Thank you Huğlu; for this beautiful and stable shotgun.
What about their pistol producers?like cenik
I consider a Huglu HT-14, is it worth the 1k price tag, ita has an adjustable cone too
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When I got my ata we got a yildiz youth gun for my gf she’s 4ft 10 and it’s the only thing on the market that’s small enough for her to shoot got it in 20 bore but my ata seems to be better build quality the wood on her stock from new was so rough and dry we had to bee’s wax the hell out of it to let the grain soak the wax up
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Hy, in my country (Brasil) guns are extremely expensive and under several laws. For exemple: to buy a gun, we need to have an authorization from the army. And if it’s ok, a guns store is allowed sell me the gun. This process can take a year or more. And I can only get 600 ammo for each gun in my “inventory”. The price is almost unreachable: one Huglu HT14 cost about US$ 4.800. The Beretta DT 11 (if you find one) costs US$30.000. In my local store, is available 2 turkey shotgun: Yildiz MX Trap and Huglu HT14. Which one have better quality for trap shooting ? As you see, my English isn’t the best, sorry for that
I can’t answer to your question, sorry for that. I’m just really surprised about the prices, does Brazil tax import weapons for the civillian market heavily?
I have a CZ Redhead Premier Target 12 GA. O/U shotgun out of the CZ-USA HQ in Kansas City, KS. I guess it was made in the Czech Republic with a Turkish walnut stock. Does anyone know?
Its made by Huglu in Turkey, it's a huglu 103de with some different finish
Looking for a dedicated Skeet Gun under £3000. What would you recommend?
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What about AKKAR brand?? you should do a video with AKKAR CHURCHILL 206 SPORTING please
Coud you do review on SKB we see guit few here in the states 90TSS model Thanks
I have two Turkish over-under shotguns. Last year I purchased a Browning Citori CXS. I quickly learned the shortcomings of the Turkish guns.
Of course your sponsor guns are good...
Muy linda arma excelente amigo
My ATA is great 👍
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Well, all I can say is thanks God for those Turkish workers. Plenty of good Turk firearms in the hands of Americans. That pretty much trumps anyone's politics.
Hi David, you seem to like Turkish guns.
Any chance you could do a review or a video of the churchill 206 sporting made by akkar, in Turkey.
I bought one for clay shooting and absolutely love it, great gun to shoot.
Barely any recoil at all, doesn't matter what cartridges you use.
I use Hull 7.5, 28 g or Mary arms 7.5, 28 g as well and I could shoot all day without any problems.
My name is Gaetan, I leave in Ireland but originally French.
I love watching your videos.
I wanted originally a yildiz sporter but not many yildiz dealers here.
So I ended up with this churchill 206, 32 "
I replaced the extended chokes for flush ones and thinking of making the comb adjustable to make .
Thank you.
Thank you for a great comment and I am glad you enjoy the Channel yes I know these guns I have done some reviews before a very long time ago they do not come into the U.K any more and it is very hard to get hold of one now but I will look and see if I can get one. Thanks TSC Team.
What is the brand of your shooting vest, please?
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Ata arms is good
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You’re missing out armsan. Me and my mate were at the clays today with an armsan a612 semi auto and we we were smoking everything. 2 guys in front of us with 4 grand berettas and one guy with a browning laminate couldn’t hit a barn door. That tells me something 😂
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It tells nothing!!!. It has to do with the ability to shoot. Congrats to you and your mate.
I heard that ATA bought the old design property of Beretta 682 etc from the company and legally copied them.
They didn't, ata copied the 680 series reciever/monobloc design in looks- it's not the same though as dimensions are not same, internally/barrel design also completely different
I read so much conflicting information about these Turkish brands
“ Buy an ATA , buy a Yildiz , don’t buy a Turkish gun, “ etc etc etc .
Here’s my dilemma, I want to shoot , I’m in the process of getting my license and when I get it I will shoot sporting clays on a Sunday morning a couple of times a month.
I don’t have designs on trying to be a world champion, but over time I’d like my scores to look something like acceptable.
I want a gun that I can “ grow into “ if that makes sense ?
I don’t want to buy something and then sell it just because the shooting world believe that you really should own either a Browning or a Berreta.
So here’s my dilemma, if an ATA , a Yildiz, a Browning and a Berreta were to all fit me , is the extra money spent on the Browning or Berreta actually worth spending given my shooting aspirations ?
Right now im leaning towards a Browning 525 Sporter 1 , a Browning Laminated as I think that they look quite funky and different to everything else, or an MIrouku MK38 , but would I be better off spending half of the amount a Browning would cost me on a Yildiz / ATA and then put the difference towards a set of lessons from a good instructor ?
I will purchase my gun new when I buy it as I like the concept of having a warranty.
Help me out here please…
30 years ago I bought a second hand Beretta 687 for clays and game. I still use it and it has never failed.If I were to sell it I would probably get my money back. Quality will always be the way to go , Hope this helps
@@ThePhil543 I do like the idea of buying something that will last for a long time and will allow me to progress as my technique becomes better.
It does seem that the saying “ buy cheap, buy twice “ is very relevant regarding shotgun purchases so If I had to make my decision today then I think the Browning / Mirouku would be my choice
Go for the Beretta
An ata or yildiz sporter will do what you want for casual clays and as a first gun decent choice, but in my experience being heavily involved in a clay ground most move on from those guns inside a year or so, and lose a decent hit of their investment, a 686/525/mk38 are better guns and by a very wide margin, don't let warranty sway you as the second hand market is full of gems, you can get into some serious guns for the price of a new ata
Go for the Browning....most reliable!
Anyone who spends £2500 on a Yildiz has lost their marbles. That’s 4 year old Browning Ultra XS Pro territory with 6 years left of warranty and proven quality.
I’d extend that to an £800 Turkish gun,
That’s S/H 425,525 Mk60 and 70 money
No one can realistically claim yildiz can match any of those at the moment
@@hotshot2177 I agree, however I see the lure of having a brand new gun for less than £1k vs something that’s ‘old’ and second hand, especially when new to the sport.
I’d still go for browning, beretta and miroku every time though.
Turkish guns are like Korean cars, 20 years ago nobody considered them like good choice, but now Korean cars dominating and nobody says that it’s a rubbish
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Their pistols better. But that Huglu is durable, good hunting rifle. Zero jamming after at least 500 shoots
People buy to start and soon they are broken or sold to move up. Most competitive shooters pay no attention they all learned this lesson long ago. Not just Turkish guns but cheap guns in general are a waste of your money
David, please advise why I should spend £600-800+ on a new Turkish shotgun when the same amount of money would get me a far superior secondhand European one that would only deprecate slightly over a given time period compared to the Turkish? Kind regards from deepest Dorset 👍
You forgot to mention armsan
Need closeup shots to see them better.
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Most times turkish guns are better and are priced properly
Comment about turkish "kral arms"????
Can one purchase a Yildiz in the USA?
Academy carries Yildiz in a limited selection.
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@@TSCTheshootingchannel thank you. I would rather have a Miruku but we get Browning instead.
My Nephew got a new 12 gauge Stevens 555 and shot 700,000 to 800,000 shells in one season and it shoots great to this day. Has a Kick.
700,000 shells in one season? Thats over 13,000 a week in a year....ok
@@fullchoke01 you have a point there. i better talk that one over with my nephew. Not adding up. Kinda feel stupid for not doing the math.
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Have had good luck with Canik and Sarsilmaz firearms, not really a shotgun or rifle person.
I bought italian Breda, i hope i didnt make mistake.. 😁
Good choice!
Turks advanced in fire arms industry
Yildiz and ATA are both great , just stay away from Kofs , just not reliable.
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Caniks have so many good reviews. To pretend that a gin like canik is not good quality is silly lol. People want to hate just because they're from turkiye. Of course the same people will claim the European guns are the best lol. It's weird how usa white people really look at European white people as above them lol.
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Pardus SL semi. Hats down the worst firearm I have ever owned.
Gas operation shotguns from Turkey just suck
You mean Turkish shotgun
Depending on which brand, there are awful Turkish guns and some good . Also people have to look at resale value if they don't intend to hang on to them for any period of time. 👍👍
Thanks for your comment all guns will loos the same amount of money they will all loos about 25% to 30%of the price just like buying a car as the dealer needs to make money on the product, so Turkish guns will hold there value like any other gun. Thanks TSC Team.
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Bottom end of the market??? Don't think so buddy 😂😂🙂
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A lot of the Turkish guns are quite decent for the money, albeit unrefined in some aspects when compared to guns from other western countries. I would say that the Turkish gun industry is 20 years behind the US, but catching up gradually. I believe one of the reasons that they are able to put out decent guns is because the British transferred a lot of their machinery and technology to Turkey in the 2000s when gun making in the UK went into massive decline due to restrictive laws, cost of labour as well as a lack of interest from the younger generation.
I had both brands , none of them held up after a season of sporting clay shooting, had to sell them with great loss.
We would like to see this as we have not seen ether of these guns like that. Thanks TSC Team.
You'll always push what you're sponsored by. KOFs is better and cheaper.
We do try and test all guns not just company's that work with us thank you for your comment TSC Team.
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This just comes across like a used car salesman
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A bit like the hard sell... Never liked the Turks after seeing Lawerance of Arabia...
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😉There are more terrible-awful Turkish guns and few-some good
Also the resale value is very low-bad... Not all guns lose the same amount of money... some guns will lose 20% to 35%... but all Turkish ones will lose upwards of 45% to 55 % ........ Sure it can be profitable for dealers to sell these poor quality guns ......but no thanks I'll take a Russian Baikal...or a bettonsoli as a cheap gun😎
Honestly after the garbage hatfield sgl in 20 gauge and then all the issues with semi auto hatfields i look at youtube reviews before when i see a new turkish shitgun
And they always start off oh wow this is only x amount of dollars and its this good but then always within 2 weeks i start seeing videos of the guns failing and that is with literally every single turkish shitgun im aware of
And oh yeah that 500 dollar turkish tristar you cant even find that on the shelves anymore it looked nice but it has a high failure rate honestly at this point in 2023 anyone talking about these guns knows there garbage and is just trying to make money for the company
I wont scream schill but it sure seems like it could be like that
Turkish crap Guns