The Most HATED Off-Roaders Ever vs Challenging Colorado Trail: Cheap Land Rover Shootout!
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Kase and Tommy take a Land Rover Discovery 2 and LR3 off-road in the Rocky Mountains.
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They may have been hated at the time but time has been kind to this design. It’s a good looking vehicle, especially compared to what is available now.
I don't think the design was hated, they always looked good and were very capable. The issue then and now was reliability
@@tosgem Which has been completely overblown (reliability). Not saying they don't have issues, but not like the internet says they do.
@@Steve_MFr I don't think it's overblown. I know quite a few Landrover fanatics and even to keep them running they have alternative maintenance schedules that people have come up with online. It's quite a lot of work. More recently I have watched the youtube channel called LRTime where they pull down blow LR engines, rebuild them etc. It seems there are a few critical faults (crank shaft weakness, water pump flow rate) and when they fix them all their car is reliable. But it's a lot of work and knowledge. It's a pity, because if Landrover knew back in the day it would not have taken much to improve their reliability greatly.
@@tosgem I live in Germany. I know the couple that do LRTime. Good channel. They make fun of the internet haters and the Toyota lovers though sometimes the humor is lost in translation (or it feels like it to me, anyway). And I am also a part of GAP Diagnostic. We make diagnostic systems for Land Rover only - and generally for private users. We see the stats and have a LOT of feedback from our users and through our support.
It's hard to quantify the incidence of LR break-downs or if the "internet" is exaggerating as nobody is talking numbers. But let's just say that the very large majority of LR owners has no serious issues during their ownership and the quality is on par with other Automakers such as Audi, Benz, etc. And the general (internet) view that you can't venture far from a dealer is vastly exaggerated.
it’s good to read your comments here, especially with you connection to GAP.
LRTine is a great channel and the jokes Christian makes are pretty good but I think you are right also as you’d need to have Aggie sense of irony to get some of them. But the Dad jokes work in any language! 😂.
I had waited for 2-3 years for my ideal D3 to come up (many of them downunder have very high mileage and questionable service history) and in the end, when it did I didn’t have the confidence or certainty of finances to to go ahead as fear of a few unknown service items or gearbox failure in the future was too great. I regret it it daily as most of them here are in shit condition.
The LR3 is super capable…. Even stock it pretty much does everything the old defender can do on our off-road trips. They just normally require a bit more spotting on some obstacles due to their lower rear bumper
Aside from the old school solid axle Land Rover being open differentials, it’s way better than the new cross over Land Rovers..
you never did serious offroading then.
I’m a sucker for LR reviews and tests.
I hear ya, I have LR3 V6 petrol, but I still watch others doing things that I have also done... why do we do that ?😅
That D2 probably has a center diff lock, just without the shifter. Most ‘99 to ‘02’s had it on the LT230 transfer case, and the spigot is there. You just need to add the linkage (aftermarket kit, or scavenged off a D1).
👆 This guy knows.
I own both. A 2001 D2 with 240k miles that has everything done to it. 4" lift. 35s. Air lockers. 4:11 gears.12v system. Water system. It will literally go anywhere and still do 70mph comfortably. The lr3 has 276k miles on the 4.4 and is bone stock except for a set of slightly larger AT tires. Still on air suspension and is my daily driver. Its a great dual purpose vehicle. We take it camping and on mild trails. The D2 is the one you want for hitting the harder stuff.
I learned to wheel in a D2! I have had a Land Rover daily drivers non stop since I got my license 13 years ago.
Yeah, that D2 they had on earlier with the 5.3 LS motor swap, was bloody gorgeous.
Your lucky. I bought an 08 with low miles and it's been an electrical nightmare.
@@fredbrackely LS swap is the way to go, if you want a D2 that will last lol
I too have both and love them!
I have an LR3 with 242,xxx miles on it with the HD package, I bought it after watching the last LR3 series you guys did. I love it, it is a trooper, it is incredibly capable, and my wife and I agree it's a pretty nice place to be. I did Kingston Peak a few weekends ago and she was able to handle everything without missing a beat. I did get a few trail stripes though from all the trees. But I couldn't ask for anything more from it. I love my LR3.
The HD has high and low range, right? Ive been looking for one for the same reasons. I put away a socal 69K classic RR in storage that doesnt have the good AC comforts of these “newer” models. CUrious - is this a disco (3) or something different ? Thanks for the video !
@@tonyd3266 in the US, an LR3 is a Disco 3, but it’s not called a Disco3 because the Disco2 had such a terrible reputation in the US, they changed the name to try and say “forget about the Discovery, this is completely different and reliable” In the US, all LR3’s came with High and Low range, I think that’s true worldwide but don’t quote me on that. My research stopped at the US market.
HD package came with: full sized spare, rear locker, and upgraded tow capacity (8,800 lbs). I’m not sure if the air suspension received a rework to support additional towing capacity, but it does auto level with the load attached.
No matter what Off roader you choose, having "Blaze" (insert your favorite doggy friend) with you, makes it all better!
yes
I loved my disco 2, I hated the fact that I had to check the fluids at every fill up like a car from the 1930's lol
I am sure thats true, having owned a few discos myself. It also means you needed to figure out what was wrong and fix it. The maintained Land Rovers, even Discos are amazing vehicles. If you want an appliance with little to no maintenance, you get a Toyota. You can not treat a Land Rover like a Toyota or you will regret it. Currently enjoying an L320 RR Sport, it has been very, very reliable for me and I like that V8 power. Nothing like the comfort and capability of a Land Rover.
Honestly they are easy to fix and the parts are cheap, it's just you WILL be fixing something guaranteed, and if you let leaks continue they will take something else out. It always made it where I had to go and never left me stranded, and I live in the mountains in Canada. It impressed my jeep buddies thats for sure. @@WranglermanLevi
Tommy, if you had high centered the LR3 at around 27:00, the suspension would have gone into "extended" off road mode, which would have aired the suspension up even more and lifted you over the obstacle.
then would have blown an air bag haha
There's also "super extended" mode :)
@@matth4069no it wouldn't
I had a 2001 se that came factory with air ride. It was a great system but ended up failing at around 290,000 miles. I turned to lucky8 up in NY and they set me up with 2”lift coil kit with new shocks installed for $500. I then put 33” tires on it and loved this truck even more. What a great machine
i dont buy a 4x4, unless 35,s fit std.. its a 4x4, not a mall crawler.. land rovers, range.. are farm vehicles. for the gentry.. nothing else..like jags, bmw, poursche, you can afford to fix it.. reliability dont count,,its image..
You can replace the air bags and rebuild the compressor. I converted my D2 from Coils to SLS.
Tommy should have put his Discovery into extended offroad height which is user selectable in D3/LR3 then he would have got to crush the pine cone!
I’ve owned 15 Land and Range Rovers since 1996, all except one have been diesels and all except one were faultless. I had only one breakdown which was a serpentine auxiliary drive belt on the TD5 Auto D2 but it was of no consequence as I was on my way to the dealership to hand it in for my next new Land Rover……… a Freelander1. After the Freelander which got me into 4wheeling, as you guys call it, I’ve owned 1 x TDI300 Defender 90 from 1996 (Inbought used in 2001 and kept it until 2022) 2 x L322 Range Rovers, 2 x L320 RR Sports, 2 x Evoques, 1 x L494 RRS SDv6 and now I’m on my 2nd L663 New Defender (1st was a 2020 110 D240 First Edition, now I have changed it to a D250 90 HSE with optional locking rear diff. Out of that lot only the 9 speed auto Evoque had any issues (it kept burning out the DPF sensor ) and out 7 air sprung cars not one has had an issue with the system. The only one that didn’t go off road was the 2nd Evoque because I didn’t own it long enough, everything else got used how LR intended. One of my sisters ran a TDv6 diesel RRS base model for just short of 16 years and 299000 miles on minimal servicing and it’s still running (one of my nephews uses it as tractor on his farm!) with only a single issue out of the showroom in all that time - an EGR valve failed within the warranty period. My “best” Land Rover was the 26 years old Defender - it had only one failure of anything OEM in that time - the chassis rotted at q1 years old and was replaced with a galvanised one. In the hands of its new owner it has just turned 100,000 miles too (I bought it as a used car in 2001 with 54000 miles on the odo)
I'm glad to hear you're planning a longterm build and test for both of those LRs. Nice comparison guys (and Chase)!
Awesome video love when these two guys get together and those two trucks look great.
Personally, I own a disco 4 (lr4) and it has covered 396000km, it a diesel and it had some engine work before I became the owner, but what surprised me is the fact that all 4 air struts are original from factory… as an ex JLR tech, this was a surprise to me 😂 but it has worked well and it is happy to get some off road abuse 😛😋😛😋
Apparently they last longer than we fear
I had to change my front air struts on my 2003 RR a few month ago. Still the original struts after 250k km and 20 years. The rear are still original too and still look great.
The lr3 air suspension can go into "super extended mode" when it senses you're high centred. It does this automatically, it would have made it over that sawtooth.
I came here to say this as well...
I have a Llams height kit to mine, essentially goes into super extended mode with a flick of a switch..
but how reliable is the air system? dont most replace with simple coils?
@@robinfowler9477 air suspension works great, I have replaced compressor, 30 mins job, valves, easy swap.. the struts are a piece of cake to change too, I tow a caravan and it has air suspension too, both units stay level and super smooth
@@peterbullen3347 i see, ok, good!
Awesome video, loves the fact it's less messing around and you talk facts about the vehicles.
I used to work on these LR for a living and for me it's the Discovery 2 , it's just a simpler vehicle to work on and look after.
Lr2 is a Freelander not a Discovery 2
@@krover01he didn’t refer to it as a LR2.
@@Queensizemusiche edited his comment
@@krover01 ah, I see. 🤙🏼
@@Queensizemusic he was quick to comment, quicker than i could edit.
I was busy talking to my wife about an Lr2 she wants so I had it all in my head at the same time
Happy the see Land Rover content!
Glad to see you bringing these older Rovers back on the channel. You’re first LR3 is what brought me to your channel and ultimately led to me buying my own. I can’t wait to see how the builds go.
They're Land-Rovers', not Rovers.
You guys have the benefit of time and technology. I had a Disco like the white one brand new back then. In its day, it was unbeatable, and it was a tank. I put almost 200k miles on it.
Love it. Never would say "terrible" for either of these. I love that the LR2 that Kase owns proved the point that street tires can get it done if your OR systems are capable like this. But I do like the LR3 better. Great mash up here. 2 of the best TFL choices for OR videos. WTG guys!
Not to be that person, but the LR2 was the 2nd generation Freelander in North America.
@@damilolaakanni It's ok....someone had to say it!
I didn't realize the wheelbase difference between the 2 and 3/4. 13.6 inches! Thats massive.
I worked for JLR in Florida for about 6 years. LR3 then LR4 was one of my favorites vehicles from their lineup. A lot of their issues was from poor maintenance. Always wanted one, but never pulled the trigger to buy or lease one. I think the best one would be the LR3 HSE. But that’s my opinion. Good video guys!!
HSE is the best. I m talking from experience of having it (V8 4.4)
Owe LR3 HSE 2006 and I love it. I sold my D2 , after 7 years and still crying . I should have both.@@selebalotsiu7139
you dont maintain rich vehcles.. you can afford for it to break, which isnt your fault,,then get some mug to fix it for 9k.. as if its his fault.. snobs..
I am also at work for JLR.. I think LR 4 is a very good vehicle and it is my favorite 👍♥️
I'm really looking forward to this series. I owned a Discovery 1 and LOVED it, other than all my windows quit working and I could not open the driver's door lol. I now have an LR3 and I think it's great. Its car like on the highway and impressive off road.
LR3's are fantastic vehicles provided you maintain them rigorously and it's quite an expensive exercise. Having said that I love my D3 V8 to bits.
For an ancient traction control system, the Disco 2 is very impressive - love these
No, Terrain Response was not pioneered by the L322 Range Rover. It was first introduced on the Discovery 3 / LR3 in 2005. The L322 Range Rover got it later. And the earliest of Discovery II vehicles still had the center diff lock in the transfer case, it was just the linkage and shift lever that was removed. It can be retrofitted. All 2004 final year Disco II vehicles had the factory center diff lock reinstated plus they had the larger 4.6L engine and are the most desirable of the DII vehicles.
No one cares
I agree. Back when i had my disco 2 there was like one source for the cable for the cdl. Just never could get one. With the ability to lock the transfer case the disco 2s are almost unstoppable
Not all of them! There are some D2s without the center diff lock! They have the center diff but not the pin on top of the transfer case.
It’s fantastic that both of you are knowledgeable and enthusiastic about Land Rovers and can refute the hate and nonsense talked about them in the US. The LR3 (and 4) are just fantastic all-rounders, although they do need lots of conscientious maintenance. The D2 are best with the TD5 engine and are exceptional for their era, but sadly getting old and interiors are showing their age. Terrain response is fantastic, actually incredible if you know how to get the best from it. My favourite would be a D3/D4 (I did over 125k miles in mine), with factory rear locker. Over 30mpg on diesel too. Thank you!
Old defenders are the best, and for offroad a discovery 1 with a 200TDI or a 300TDI this was they are very basic, no electrics so water runs well in water without a snorkel. Old defenders still remain king of offroad for me
Even though they had some reliability issues, I like both of them for what they still can do today! And love their design!
Please keep going with these comparisons guys. A lot of fun and actually accessible to most folks budget! Great video.
Brilliant review, I have owned both these vehicles and their off road capabilities are awesome. I totally agree Tommy where you say that it's one of your favourite cars, even today I would have this vehicle over any of its replacements. What other vehicle can transport 7 people in relative comfort, fold the seats down for a cavernous cargo space along with its extraordinary off road capabilities with a ride like an S class Mercedes. The reliability failure points are known and understood so proactive maintenance will always see you home.
Awesome video guys! I'm totally looking forward to seeing these rigs progressing into their future incarnations!
Going offroad rock climbing in All terrains is pretty impressive in itself, a good show lol
Here in the UK, we love our Landy to core and no matter what some problems those off-roaders do have, we are right behind them..🇬🇧👍
This is going to be a great series. I really liked both of your previous LR's and I am glad to see TFL go back to them. Looking forward to watching more of this series.
Great video guys. Land rover never gets old for me. CAN NOT WAIT TO SEE THE EVOLUTION OF CASE D2!!!
Bravo guys for revisiting the LR3! (as well as a Disco 2 build)
I’m excited to see these Land Rovers more in the future. I always enjoyed the old TFL Discos when they had them.
That Disco2 handheld the ledges as well as the old Tundra.
I had both. The LR3 is superior in so many ways. Comfort is the biggest asset. I'd give away the wheelbase any day to have a real back seat. Even the front leg room is far superior. I had the SE7 V8.
The timing between these two reasonably priced used vehicles is fantastic; I’m looking forward to seeing the cost of the mods to each and how much of an improvement those mods make as both vehicles keep going head to head.
Definitely compare the snow performance as you head into the slippery and potentially unplowed season!
Great video guys. That was fun to watch!
I like the the fact that the disco 2 has a solid front axle, as a long time jeep owner and wheeler that disco 2 has the potential to be a great off roader when it comes to uneven terrain because nothing beats being able to keep all four wheels touching the ground
My LR4 has gone places on 2 wheels with ease, where other vehicles on 4 wheels struggled, the terrain response in the newer Landys is absolutely incredible!
Mine is on an xlifter and 32's, that's it, other than camping gear and cosmetics, it's bone stock.
Best vehicle I've ever owned.
Tommy has really taken over TFL & can tell his gym fitness is showing. Looking more like Roman everyday. Great video
disco2 is a great looking vehicle
Awesome as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along
True addicts. TFL can’t even pretend that they’re not hooked on rovers. Keep it up kids.
The capability has never been a problem. It is the stranding in the middle of nowhere followed by a ridiculous repair bill that makes them unwanted.
You guys are fantastic together!! Keep doing it!
You Guys are Great.......Many Thanks.
love seeing the trucks together. I would also love to see a comparison and battle between the disco 1-3's and maybe 4 if possible
@27:14 - The Lr3 has a super extended mode you could have used to clear the left of the pinecone lol
Land Rover is a great bit of kit & aways got me home .
I have an LR3 with Radar AT pro 265 60 r18 tires, steel front bumper with a 4k winch, hidden inside the bumper. With spotlights mounted on the center of the bumper. It’s a beauty! And I love my LR3
What a day! My son and I spent the day rippin' around the country, and now I'm back in the city, sippin' on some whiskey, chilling by the backyard fire pit, and watching two Discos tear it up! It's a more rednecky version of Night at the Roxbury, and it is awesome. The only thing missing are the lads boppin' their heads to What is Love.
Love a D2. Just sold my 2003 TD5- still on air, with the green fob to lower the back end! Only 76k miles too 😮 It’s been a great car 😊
I’ve had my 2008 lr3 for right at two years now. It’s my daily driver. If you keep up on maintenance they are fantastic. My first “off road” was following Matt in the MORRVAIR and it did just fine. Granted that trail was 4/5 rated. So nothing super difficult for Matt’s custom rig. But I had a much more comfortable ride. Then the jeeps, and yotas there that day! If you’ve never experienced at lr3, find a friend!
I l9ve the lord land rovers.....so happy to see this...never seems to get old for me.
Great footage! Intense stuff!
Stock vs Stock I thought the Disco 2 did great. Especially when you consider its using a TC system that is over 25 years old, and the additional handicap of not having a way to use its CDL unlike the Disco 3. If the Disco 2 had a way to engage its CDL, you wouldn't have seen such dramatic differences against the Disco 3. When you get a CDL linkage try the roller test again and the Disco 2 will get off the rollers nearly as easy as the Disco 3 did. 👍
As for the air suspension on the Disco 2... sadly a lot of owners don't realise that its actually a serviceable item.... and you do have to replace your airbags every 4 or 5 years or yes, you risk failure.
Love these older car tests - especially as a D4 driver! 8 years in NO issues yet, touch wood etc
Had to stop just a few mins in just to compliment on how clean both they discoveries look.
Fantastic! I might start trying to find one of these!
Wow great series! Keep these for a while and keep the videos coming!
Thorough review. Thank you!
When the Disco 3 hit the ground, you may have been able to engage 'super extened mode'. I think it gives you another 2" lift. Not easy to get the car to engage but its there as a get out of stranded option. I know this was a stock test, but you could also add something like an 'xlifter' which gives you direct control of all 4 corners air suspention. I personally thing the air suspention is better than coils. They just need a little more TLC. Also get an ODBII device, can get you going also when stuck and clear most faults on the go. Great video! Thanks TFL.
Excellent video, guys. I now know what to get for my wife's "winter beater" for northern Michigan -- LR3, Baby!
They're hated by people have never driven them, as soon as you drive one, you immediately fall in love!
Absolutely Love both of these. Really enjoyed out DII, would love to get an LR3, but I love my RRC's!
I think it will be cool to see an lr4 at some point
Good review. Our pair of vehicles are a 2000 Disco II and a 1948 Willys CJ2L (CJ2A dealership-stretched 24 inches to a 108" wheelbase). Both are close to stock. The Disco is running larger tires (265/75-R16) on the factory springs and the Jeep has 235/8-R16s on a 2 inch lift and a 1967 Dauntless 225 Oddfire V6.
The longer wheelbase on the Jeep gave me the room to install a custom-fab 38 gallon fuel tank across the frame in the center of the chassis, so they have similar range as well.
I also fitted a Series 1 Disco transfer case shifter in the Disco II that gives it the capability to lock the center differential if needed. It takes a little fab work to mount it, but it's doable with basic hand tools.
The D2 is her daily driver and the Jeep is mine. We paid $2000 for her Disco (antilock system is broken) and $600 (plus about $3000 in repairs) for my Jeep
Great review guys !! Loved my hse lr3, unfortunately got totalled. Replaced it with an lr4. More luxurious, engine more powerful but yes, lr3 v8 is the best. V8 in lr3 more reliable and better cup holders, more useful front compartment shelf spaces. Had a disco 2 for 10 yrs. With cdl hooked up it was also great and probably the most durable over time if used hard off road when properly equipped. The last of the real land rovers. I was at a recent event with Nick Dimbleby. When asked, he thought the discovery 3/lr3 probably the the best land rover model. As an all rounder I totally agree with him. Finding a good one now is the challenge. Too many have been abused, not maintained and they are old.
I love the friendly vibe between them, they are not shitting on each other’s cars, on the contrary
More like most loved. The videos y'all made, on the D2 recovery rig you built, are the reason I bought a Disco! I love my girl Hrafna more than anything in the world.
You can add the center diff lock on the Disco 2. The transfer case (LT230) is the same on Defenders, Discoverys 1, etc.
I did the Alpine Loop and a bunch of other trails in Colorado in my '08 LR3 with HD package and it was awesome! I was the only LR in a see of Jeeps and Toyotas...it was great. I believe someone mentioned before, the LR3 has extended mode that would've helped on sawtooth. Push and hold the height selector forward for several seconds to activate.
Even after Tommys well balanced and informed opinions, you still get people in comments with zero experience, " deR LandOva baD."
Huge Video! quality content!
I love Land Rovers. Even my P38 has over 200,000 miles on it. Any Discovery is capable of over 200,000 miles as long as they're maintenanced. People just don't like having to maintain a vehicle. 🤷🏻♂️ and then they bitch and complain about their vehicle.. because the owner sucks.
Great video. Love the LR3.
Absolutely love our '08 LR3, found nothing yet to replace it with. Though liking the GX550 overland .
Cool rigs, cool trail for stock mall crawlers and an excellent vidjéo 🤙
Glad to see some content on the v6 lr3, been looking for one for a while now and it’s nice to see it isn’t complete garbage compared to the v8
Blaze is awesome! Thanks for the this review I’m totally considering getting 2008 LR3 with 4.4l V8 I found on CarGurus. Unbeatable cheap price now days
I've owned Land Rovers since 1984 - bought to get my telescopes up mountains and into remote locations. Current drives - 2004 Discovery 2 TD5 (an engine you never had in the US, but beats the V8 hands down on both power delivery and longevity - mine has 291,000 miles on it, has done 14 trips to-around and back the Atlas Mountains (Morocco), many trips along the Alps, Pyrenees and to the Urals - the only breakdown was caused by the air con pump failing due to water killing the bearing - 20 minutes to swap it out.The Air suspension has schrader valves on it so it is stuck at the hieght I pick. I can assure you that having owned 200 and 300 TDi and V8 series 1, the lack of diff lock makes very little difference. I fitted a rear air locker to mine - in 14 years I have used it ONCE - that was gravel bed in a fast flowing river - never needed it before or since. ~
The other drive is a 2017 Discovery D5 (3.0V6 diesel) - off the hard top - impecible, beats the D2 into a cocked hat, but as a monocoque and with all the electronics, which JLR are not noted for making reliable, we rarely take that far from the black top.
Most times I have found Land Rovers broken down is due to lack of maintenance, improper maintenance and just simply abuse - people drive them like they are cars - they are not, they are concrete blocks propelled through the air by air breathing engines - treat them goo, they treat you good.
I love heavy-breather from the back seat. Lmao
Thrill-seekers, this offroading spectacle is a heart-pounding journey through untamed trails.
Pretty good and informative video!
My favorite is the Discovery 2. If your solo camping, the backseat area is like a tiny loft to sleep in.
The lr3 seats fold flat so sleeping in the back is super easy
Ya but I take all the back seats out and those small roof windows make it feel like an actual room
Very cool comparison!
Disco 2 doed have central diff lock, but the linkage is not insatted. Self made cdl linkade will cost 10-15$
The thing with the LR3, the interiors hold up extremely well, the ford V8's are fairly reliable, and it's easily the best designed modern off road focused LR.
Nice vid! I noticed you said 06 thru 09 are the best years for the LR3. I have a 05 LR3 with 94k on it. What issues should I be looking out for in my 05 V8? Have done a bit of work to it. It looks just like yours and black also. New air compressor and air struts. Built a rear tire carrier that mounts to the factory bumper, Terrafirma black steel wheels and sliders, 32.5" Yokohama Geolander MTs. Installed the SYA kit just in case my air were to dump for some reason. Also running the GAP IID tool, a must as you already know. Always love watching your videos and look forward to the next one!
This is such a wicked video !!!
Blaze as the thumbnail 🅰️. He knows he’s the star as well. Good job champ. And the brothers tommy and kase. Together yas
Keep this! They make great camera chase cars for filming videos as you can run top of the back open, Top Gear used these as chase cars
We had a D2 Td5, white gold on Bahama beige with the fake wood pack and 7 seats. Very comfy capable old rig. Typical Land Rover electric issues but nothing we weren't expecting. Had the CDL which was nice, the last owner notched the shifter so it worked. I'd probably get a D1 shorty 5 speed 300 Tdi only as I like the older Tdi a bit more then the Td5 😅 Great value the D2 on the secondhand market.
Great comparison video!
That dog is simply hilarious for some reason:)
I thought you guys were brothers until Kase and his dad were in a video a couple of weeks ago. Should have known better since you get along so well.
Wish i could get my Disco 1 down there and do a comparison.