Ugh! I hate to say it but I prefer the show minus Poet. Of course, he is entitled to his opinion but he dominates the conversation and zaps the vibe. I really like the dynamic between Chuckie and Dan.
Can you have a conversation about what happened in New Zealand.. it would be a very interesting comparing maybe the news headlines and words used by the media to mitigate white supremesism
Watching the Michael documentary didn't confirm that he did it for me at all. All it did was bring up more questions tbh and how did the FBI investigate him for 10 plus years and not find anything suggesting he was being inappropriate with children? but a HBO documentary produce all the answers that the FBI couldn't find? Come on that doesn't even make sense.
The FBI did find some shit, there were several books that had naked boys in it but they claimed it was "art" so it passed. 2 of the books had pictures taken by 2 convicted pedophiles and the books are considered classics in the pedo world. One was gifted to him, the other nobody knows if it was a gift or if MJ bought it himself. MJ did write on one of the ages a it was confirmed to be his writing. He wrote something like "Look at the joy and innocence in these boys, I wish my childhood was like that". But any normal man would toss that shit away if it was a gift. Seems pretty conclusive that he was a pedo, and I say this as someone who denied it forever, even after the doc came out.
@@DavidRyan. yes he was a weirdo, but that doesn't mean he done it. there is no evidence that provides Michael is guilty. that 1 sided fraudumentary didn't prove anything all it did was show how gullible people are when they hear graphic fairy tales
The FBI investigating him for ten years bullcrap that's being thrown about by MJ 'stans' is wrong. He was investigated twice over a ten year period not for 10yrs! And they found some freaky stuff- pornography with children's fingerprints on, pictures of naked boys and adolescents and some other freaky shit
@@JDairShine Actually the books were published after his death...look it up. The pictures were doctored into real documents and photoshopped in. It has been disproven.
Apparently after MJ got dissed by Eminem, he went and bought the masters to the song so whenever it was played MJ got paid 😂 I’m a MJ and Eminem fan just a funny story 🙌🏽
Chuckie my guyyy, PLEEEEASEEE UPLOAD MORE FREQUENTLY MORE OFTEN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN BROOO.. I really have nothing to watch I sit and wait on your your ting brooo 😤😤😤👀👀🕦🕟
Michael was definitely an eccentric human being. This documentary didn’t really do anything for me given the history of the accusers. Let’s not forget the agenda of the higher ups, MJ owned half of Sony’s publishing and he definitely wouldn’t of sold his share if he was still alive. He was too powerful 😩
@@madaxwayne I have always been an MJ fan and even after the documentary came out I still thought Michael was innocent. I looked into Wade Robson and it seemed like he was in it for money and the fact that MJ wasn,t found guilty after 10 year FBi investigation and even a raid just seemed like he couldnt have been a pedophile. However, and it kills been to admit it since Ive always been a huge fan of MJ, but I am fairly certain MJ was a pedophile. It is quite strange how nobody likes to talk about it, but during the FBi raid they found a book titled, "Boys Will Be Boys" which was a photobook of only younger than 14 y/o boys. There were 3 or 4 other books that had only naked boys but one was gifted to him and I didnt look into those. But the book that I mentioned was made by 2 convicted pedophiles that found a group named NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) and the book is known to be a "classic" amongst pedophiles. The book is on amazon (it can legally be sold since its "art" or some bullshit) but they are all used copies and just have a read at the reviews... The people buying it are all pedos. No normal man would see that book and decide to keep it. MJ wrote on one of the pages "Look at the innocence and joy on this childs face, this is the childhood I wanted"... IDK, youre telling me MJ bought a book made by pedos and bought ONLY by pedos but he was a saint... I hate to admit it but it seems true.
i mean if the book was a best seller in the art category then i highly doubt the millions of people that bought are paedos and also the statement which you attributed to him doesnt seem at all suspect but hey i understand your point of view
So basically any next man can accuse of anything and i can have evidence that the accusrr is not trustworthy but because the accusations are so graphic and detailed they must be telling the truth... i pray i never end up on trial for anything in this day and age
@@madaxwayne So fucked how everyone just believe it blindly, no fact check nothing. The self righteous clowns trying to speak to me about 'the victims' felt to spark a few people. Living in a post truth age man.
there are NO WARRIORS left - Bitch Made Dudes with Bitch Made "reasoning skills" "They cannot see the woods for the trees" - Meetoo, in BLACK FACE !! SHOCKED !! DISGUSTED !!
I’m sure most have looked into it but that Wade guy seems to be after money - please look into the history of it... as for the other guy I don’t know To summarise I’m not saying MJ was an Angel and tbf some of the things about him were weird af but there’s no proof of abuse.....
To any and every victim, my heart goes out to you, you deserve to be heard and have justice. I listen to victims but I don’t believe them until I see actual effects, and just feel the vibes. People, this is bigger than Michael Jackson but let’s not pretend that this is about Michael Jackson. Let’s be real. It can be about both. Yes trauma is a very complex thing but let me state some FACTS in this situation Fact #1: Michael was an unusual/weird/ strange person. Undeniably. But weird does not mean guilty, just means you do not follow social norms making him easy for tabloids and media portrayal as a lunatic. I will not deny MJ as a weird figure. Yet I’ll say this: Michael Jackson didn’t like his father to the point he was scared of him and didn’t like him. Michael Jackson did have serious self confidence issues during his preteens and teen years because his father would call him ugly and big nose. I feel for you to judge Michael, I think you need to really learn about his life, especially his childhood. interesting thing with his behaviour, this all comes down to his being a reclusive. If you watched the Off The Walk documentary, from Mj’s archives, it is known that Michael wanted to no longer be the kid who sang ABC and become this figure whose career parallels with the greats in entertainment. The problem is because he was eccentric, it took it to a different level so I kind of understand why you say ‘feels’ like a lie because he did manipulate the media for his own gain sometimes, but remember the time he lived in. Image was everything. It still is now but imagine walking around with spots all over your body, bald and singing and dancing all the time, it kind of will make one react. With his facial reconstruction, MJ is not the only one to have done extensive work on his look so let’s not just act like he is the only one so Fact #2: Michael Jackson has spoken sleeping beds with kids. Now as a 30 year old adult, sleeping with other people’s kids is weird. Mackauly Culkin has stated he has slept in the same room as him but and you find that this credible through the raids done of his house, one that was done while Michael was not in the county, that his room was two stories with various bathrooms Fact#3: the people who corroborate these stories have bee found to be uncredible because they have stolen from Michael, they had sold things of Michael’s to the media for money. Fact#4: Wade Robson and James Safechuck have credibility issues because since they sued the Jackson estate back in 2013, their description and their accounts have changed drastically. What we see in the ‘documentary’ is their perfected accounts from constant change. To believe these two is to believe they are liars anyway. Fact#5: Various friends of Jackson’s still defend him: For instance and the one that holds the weight for credibility of these two accusers, Brett Barnes. In the film, he was stared to be the guy to replace them. He is suing HBO for the documentary for defamation. Yet, no one will report that, will they? Fact#6: when he (Wade) stated that he knew all along what was going on. He has gone on record to say ‘he didn’t know it was abuse’ to ‘he felt shame’ . With Safechuck, his accounts of sexual activity are vary similar to a book that was found to have no sources and was sued by MJ due to the authors inability to find the sources and fled the country. That book also contained the dreaded ‘Child marriage’ story but the book said it was giving to Chandler. Also may I state this fact too, it was found during the court cases of 2013-2015, emails of Wade Robson consisted of him doing research on previous allegations against Michael Jackson and sending it to himself. Jimmy Safechuck’s mother in the doc said she danced the day MJ died yet it is known that the James made these claims first in 2013. Fact#7: If Michael’s genitals were depicted accurately, let me ask this. If the found it accurate back in 93, wouldn’t they have indicted him? Yet there was no criminal case, the settlement was not for a criminal case, it was for a civil case. Michael’s insurance company paid the $22million. But another thing to show how stupid this argument is through this: if anyone found out that their child was being molested, why did Jordon Chandler open a CIVIL suit against MJ instead of a criminal case??????. Also why take the money and still not crave Michael. And for the argument well he was charged in 2005, that’s because the law makers decided to change the law into you have to file both criminal and civil cases after the Michael Jackson situation followed by 10 years of FBI investigations, raids on his house, both with him out of the country. This would be my last fact on this: However people want to word this, whatever: Michael Jackson is dead so he cannot defend himself. There is no law protecting the dead from defamation so it is very easy for one to make claims. There is a difference between R Kelly and Michael’s situation that there is actual evidence saying that R Kelly did this and for Michael, it is he says she says. If these allegations make you uneasy, that is perfectly fine because we do not stand for this but we also need to do our due diligence because compared to every case, the accused is not here anymore. So we have to make this as balanced and not let emotions make us decide. Michael Jackson could be guilty, but he could also have been a target for a lot of people. Only 4 people have accused him of such acts and essentially, when it came down to the burden of proof, the perfect points on Jackson’s behalf. So yes, we do need a conversation. I am not going to say ‘it’s all about money’ because evidence shows otherwise that it’s more than that. I think that they believe it is but it isn’t true. Like paranoia. I wasn’t there, I wasn’t even born when these actions allegedly happen but I’m judging is based on credibility and every accuser has NONE. In summary, let’s balance the playing field. You watch his doc, watch documentaries of Michael, his interview and as a fellow artist, do listen to the music because music does tell truths. Oh yeah, after the first accusations Wade made in 2013 and said he can’t listen to Mj’s music without remembering what he did to him, there is a clip of him dancing to a Michael song, after the accusations. But yeah watch the documentary but also watch things on Michael like the life of an icon documentary. Let’s level the playing field and look at his objectively form two sides instead of one. If you want the sites to go to find my sources, just let me know 😊 Have a great day😊 www.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/ay42cx/a_condensed_version_of_the_major_credibility/ medium.com/@justhoughts/leaving-neverland-debunked-in-10-minutes-or-less-35d2017469ba soundcloud.com/freespeechbroadcasting/2019-03-09-2-exclusive-interview-with-taj-jackson ua-cam.com/video/zYx0vLfpRYY/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/LxFWgn43BwI/v-deo.html
@@Nuggetsin4 I actually did research. I wouldn’t just blindly support an artist who has that many allegations on them “because I like their music”. I actually went out of my way to research into his cases, read court transcripts and FBI documents before I defended him. Maybe you should do the same, instead of being ignorant.
I’ve been a pod cast listener for the last 8 months , follow Chucky on Instagram and that but this is the first time I’ve watched a video , and I just didn’t expect Dan to look like that haha
This documentary was very manipulative if you really watch it from a video maker point of you view you see you see very clearly that they used a very thought out persuasive editing approach with them music (which they did have), the lighting, the timing of photos and everything. It’s so mad if you really deep how the documentary is really constructed. I feel the mum gave it away for me, if you realise you put your child in a dangerous position where they are molested by someone you trust, there would be much more emotions and trauma from her like that’s the most heartbreaking thing for a mother to hear yet she was reminiscing about the time with Michael all smiling and that, I don’t buy it because I have many friends who have been victims of traumatic experiences in the past or as a child and when describing it and basically re living it. The pain is still there and they always end up very emotional even if they have moved on to an extent, even I would know, yet These people are all smiling (yes I know it’s sometimes a coping mechanism but nahh im an empath but with I can see through people’s act and sense emotions and honesty I didn’t feel anything watching that..you saw everyone on the r kelly one bawling. Plus if you research wades track record and the loophole they found its such a joke I can’t believe people are falling for it.....I’m not even a MJ”Stan”
I agree with you that Wade Robson is hella shady, but MJ had a book called Boys Will be Boys that was a picture book made by 2 convicted pedophiles and the book was considered a classic amongst pedos. Hos lawyers claimed it was art and he got away with it.
@TheActivistBook so if u do something thats not illegal and then get nicked and bust case ud probs carry on. Granted no one knows either way but that interview was not conclusive at all. Anyone who thinks so clearly does not understand how evidence works in the western world.
50:23 - i hate this about 'deaths' - everyone NOW wants to contact everyone, the dead person never heard from no one for all this time, now everyone 'cares', and then everyone wants to fight over their 'inheritance'. it's sickening. hate it!
Chuckie is right...MJ was to powerful and because he was a bit weird as Chuckie said due to his upbringing being in the music business from early and because of his behaviour and slightly strange character it's easy to say he's doing these thing's and get kids to say he did these thing's there are very very powerful people who knew that they couldn't control him...it's a deep topic but i've always thought that they framed MJ because of what he was capable of and the fact that he died while owning more than half of sony is super fishy....and the whole circumstances around his death it's all very strange...it's very deep
They did frame him. Read this if you're interested; mjjtruthnow.wordpress.com/2014/05/20/was-michael-jackson-framed-the-defining-1994-gq-article-by-mary-a-fischer-that-set-the-record-straight-on-the-1993-allegations/ and www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-thomson/one-of-the-most-shameful_b_610258.html
@TheActivistBook I had to come back and speak on this again...the fact that MJ was never found guilty and the kids who said he did shit back in the day when they got older they came out saying their parents put them up to it for the money and i'm sure one of them killed himself....on top of that the fact that MJ owned the beetles and more than half of sony which means when your biggest artist sell music MJ was getting a cheque he might of been strange but he was also very smart...they still trying to put dirt on this mans name after he's gone that's how powerful and wealthy he really was.
@TheActivistBook It weren't for sale bro...Don't get it twisted though I ain't saying that i'm correct but That's your opinion i'm stating facts there's a big difference....I could easily be wrong but when you look at the facts and everything surrounding the situation....it's deeper than what people think
I have always been an MJ fan and even after the documentary came out I still thought Michael was innocent. I looked into Wade Robson and it seemed like he was in it for money and the fact that MJ wasn,t found guilty after 10 year FBi investigation and even a raid just seemed like he couldnt have been a pedophile. However, and it kills been to admit it since Ive always been a huge fan of MJ, but I am fairly certain MJ was a pedophile. It is quite strange how nobody likes to talk about it, but during the FBi raid they found a book titled, "Boys Will Be Boys" which was a photobook of only younger than 14 y/o boys. There were 3 or 4 other books that had only naked boys but one was gifted to him and I didnt look into those. But the book that I mentioned was made by 2 convicted pedophiles that found a group named NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) and the book is known to be a "classic" amongst pedophiles. The book is on amazon (it can legally be sold since its "art" or some bullshit) but they are all used copies and just have a read at the reviews... The people buying it are all pedos. No normal man would see that book and decide to keep it. MJ wrote on one of the pages "Look at the innocence and joy on this childs face, this is the childhood I wanted"... IDK, youre telling me MJ bought a book made by pedos and bought ONLY by pedos but he was a saint... I hate to admit it but it seems true.
@@LadyChann 🤣🤣🤣 I just don't understand why people don't research these things before speaking. It's so simple and will litrrally take 2seconds. Yet they speak with such conviction while spreading lies 😏
of course mj was a pedo its bate. i still love his music and i think he had a caring heart but he also had sexual urges. we all have sexual shit we're into that people might find odd. people can be multiple things.
"“Yeah - it’s pretty conclusive that he did it." He watched a 4 hour film that meet's the definition of propaganda and he think's a 'prosecutions' case is all it takes to determine the veracity of an allegation. Smh." by @VP_Advocacy twitter
Yo Chucks I still run that tune! I can cancel an artist but I don't cancel their art. I agree that R . Kelly is different though so I only run his features or tunes he's written. I can't punish Ronald Isley, Nas or Ja Rule for his sins.
Also the train station one of them said they were abused in didn't even exist at the time. The whole "I didn't realise I was abused" bs don't wash with me cause Wade knew what MJ was being accused of when Wade testified under oath as an adult and said nothing happened to him. So he knew what abuse was, it's all about money.
A person who is halfcast is someone who's parents are of different races. Like a black mum and white dad or whatever. I think they all have parents of different races
@@IAmRedherrings I know what halfcast is... I don't think Chuckie is. If anyone knows the actual reason please let me know don't need people guessing I can do that myself.
The most I have ever paid for a hair cut is £20 and I was still a bit pissed the trim was wkd tthough not gonna lie I had gyal eye me up all day. I remember when I had cainrow I paid £60 at a salon because my mum was taking the piss these times she's a hairdresser and said she ain't doing it no more I must cut it. Then it was getting long having afro every day all the hair greese I just cut it. I wish I never done that because after that cut my hair started receding
Chidera, The Slumflower, has clarified her comments in a written essay which can be viewed on her instagram. Would be good if you gave it a read and see if your thoughts on her stay the same. So important to hear different points of view, thanks for the full discussion and yea, Calums getting mugged off for his trim!
"Taller men get paid more than shorter men". Any stats or evidence for that? Yes, human beings do and will make differences to discriminate, but that analogy was poor.
Isaac Firestone True, however there is a big difference between MJ and Saville...there was a 10 year investigation going on when MJ was alive. Police went into MJ house and turned it upside down! MJ went through trial. MJ was accused and all the authorities discovered was one book with strange pictures of children amongst thousands of book in his library. The second thing was that he had an alarm in his bedroom. If I was as famous as MJ I would have security in my house and bedroom too. I mean, wasn’t George Harris stabbed in his house by a crazy fan who managed to get into his house? Jimmy Saville had 500 people come forward to accuse him of abuse. The nurse at the hospital caught him having sex with one of the kids and another person caught him down on an underage boy. The BBC new all of this and said nothing. There was no trial when Saville was alive and all the money he raised for kids went into his pocked- he was a crook as well as a pedo.
Marcus Huston - Up in the Club: I'd still jam to it, but maybe for now hold of on spinning it. That "Pied Piper" shout out is what's the main unsettling part, especially when you know what it means! 😖
He's not the main singer and he's not in the video. You can't compare it to "I Believe I Can Fly" or "Step in the Name of Love". I'd lay of it for now until the hype dies down.
Abuse victims don't want money they want justice... Meaning jail or by death. No victim wants money from their abuser it's illogical. Every penny you spend is from the person who violated you, so they will still have power over you.
I'm actually over the fucking moon poet isn't on this episode. Dan+Chuckie+Callum = quality conversation without the constant screaming and references to ex girlfriends
Tony Underscore Hundreds of black kids went to neverland. He was friends with both girls, boys, men, women, entire families. Kellie Parker was in his 1988 film Moonwalker and remained friends with him for several years and still has nothing but good things to say. Just like all of the other people who continue to defend Michael when they have nothing ($$$) to gain from it. His trial attorney still defends him, without having any ties to Michael’s estate. He does unpaid interviews in his defense, often. It’s easy to sell stories about people who are different. But you should read the story before you decide whether or not to buy it.
Good conversion. But you really need to get Taj Jackson & Brandie Jackson on ya show to answer all those things you were discussing about MJ! Cause you really will rethink ya thoughts! Get them on Guys! Peace
With Latoya what you have to understand is her ex husband was abusive to her. Jack Gordon was connected to the real mafias. Listen he forced to say false things about her brother he threatend her life and her family. So what would you do if you were in her position back then?...then when finally out of that relationship when another accusation comes up she supported her brother which he GOT ACQUITTED OF ALL CHARGES.
Nobody:
Everybody:
Chuckie: *I got a bredrin*
If it's not a bredrin, it's a conversation he had
you ent lyin lol
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You know its due to be a wavey one when Dans involved loool
Droopz loool init
Chuckie & Savage = Recipe 😂😂😂
Facts. Should be permanently subbed in for Poet
Dan carries this ting
So true😂
Ugh! I hate to say it but I prefer the show minus Poet. Of course, he is entitled to his opinion but he dominates the conversation and zaps the vibe.
I really like the dynamic between Chuckie and Dan.
Bald Brown Knitter and maybe an Alhan every now and then
Victor Moyo yeah Alhan would be good but his mic needs to be muted every 4 min out of 5
Yes! Chuckle & Dan have a good energy together
‘I was wrong’... words poet could never say. Callum really helps carry the conversation 👏🏼
“What you gettin highlights cut and dry” 🤣
1 hour 7 mins? Alright, Couple motives are getting cancelled
devilishmode looooooool
u can wait an hour to go shop an get ir sweeties
😂
Couple motives Yh
Laura Nwogu collectively, as in the viewers... didnt think it was difficult to grasp 😂
I love Savage Dan and his perspectives, podcasts with just these two are my fave :)
Should have a petition to ban Poet from the show
Dan is a hilarious. I don't always agree, but I love his vibe and perspective on things.
He's like that cool dude from endz, he probably is too lol
"I got a bredrin"...that old chestnut....smh tut tut
i'd dash that chesnut at chuckie easy.
It's true sometimes though lol
Chuckie x Dan podcasts are the one 🔥
loooooool 'Callum you're a condom man init' Dan cracks me up!
This podcast should stick to Chuckie and Savage Dan. Savage Dan is HILARIOUS 😂😂😂
Can you have a conversation about what happened in New Zealand.. it would be a very interesting comparing maybe the news headlines and words used by the media to mitigate white supremesism
Watching the Michael documentary didn't confirm that he did it for me at all. All it did was bring up more questions tbh and how did the FBI investigate him for 10 plus years and not find anything suggesting he was being inappropriate with children? but a HBO documentary produce all the answers that the FBI couldn't find? Come on that doesn't even make sense.
Yeah but let’s be honest with ourselves. The dude was a fucking weirdo and he probably did it
The FBI did find some shit, there were several books that had naked boys in it but they claimed it was "art" so it passed. 2 of the books had pictures taken by 2 convicted pedophiles and the books are considered classics in the pedo world. One was gifted to him, the other nobody knows if it was a gift or if MJ bought it himself. MJ did write on one of the ages a it was confirmed to be his writing. He wrote something like "Look at the joy and innocence in these boys, I wish my childhood was like that". But any normal man would toss that shit away if it was a gift. Seems pretty conclusive that he was a pedo, and I say this as someone who denied it forever, even after the doc came out.
@@DavidRyan. yes he was a weirdo, but that doesn't mean he done it. there is no evidence that provides Michael is guilty. that 1 sided fraudumentary didn't prove anything all it did was show how gullible people are when they hear graphic fairy tales
The FBI investigating him for ten years bullcrap that's being thrown about by MJ 'stans' is wrong. He was investigated twice over a ten year period not for 10yrs! And they found some freaky stuff- pornography with children's fingerprints on, pictures of naked boys and adolescents and some other freaky shit
@@JDairShine Actually the books were published after his death...look it up. The pictures were doctored into real documents and photoshopped in. It has been disproven.
7 views and 7 likes. just sums up chuckie. bareee love. bumped into chuckie at greenford station, he's the realist.
greenford station is endss
Chuckie: do they smash?
Dan: yessss
Chuckie: Ok👀
Dan: lol don’t say it like that 😭😂😭🤣
I'm thinking Chuckie dabbled in the Red market on a covert ting 🤣😂
Surprised that these guys don’t know or speak about Micheal Jackson owning half of Sony’s publishing
TV SOUND SYSTEM because they like many others are too lazy to do some thorough research before condemning an exonerated dead man.
No one will notice. Everyone's here for "jokes" and Dan not info.
Apparently after MJ got dissed by Eminem, he went and bought the masters to the song so whenever it was played MJ got paid 😂 I’m a MJ and Eminem fan just a funny story 🙌🏽
Chuckie my guyyy, PLEEEEASEEE UPLOAD MORE FREQUENTLY MORE OFTEN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN BROOO.. I really have nothing to watch I sit and wait on your your ting brooo 😤😤😤👀👀🕦🕟
Michael was definitely an eccentric human being. This documentary didn’t really do anything for me given the history of the accusers. Let’s not forget the agenda of the higher ups, MJ owned half of Sony’s publishing and he definitely wouldn’t of sold his share if he was still alive. He was too powerful 😩
Watch the rageaholic videos on the subject it’s all on UA-cam
yup people are sheep how you believing 2 actors who have lied previously with NO evidence
@@madaxwayne I have always been an MJ fan and even after the documentary came out I still thought Michael was innocent. I looked into Wade Robson and it seemed like he was in it for money and the fact that MJ wasn,t found guilty after 10 year FBi investigation and even a raid just seemed like he couldnt have been a pedophile. However, and it kills been to admit it since Ive always been a huge fan of MJ, but I am fairly certain MJ was a pedophile. It is quite strange how nobody likes to talk about it, but during the FBi raid they found a book titled, "Boys Will Be Boys" which was a photobook of only younger than 14 y/o boys. There were 3 or 4 other books that had only naked boys but one was gifted to him and I didnt look into those. But the book that I mentioned was made by 2 convicted pedophiles that found a group named NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) and the book is known to be a "classic" amongst pedophiles. The book is on amazon (it can legally be sold since its "art" or some bullshit) but they are all used copies and just have a read at the reviews... The people buying it are all pedos. No normal man would see that book and decide to keep it. MJ wrote on one of the pages "Look at the innocence and joy on this childs face, this is the childhood I wanted"... IDK, youre telling me MJ bought a book made by pedos and bought ONLY by pedos but he was a saint... I hate to admit it but it seems true.
@@JDairShine tbf if that is what he said he still doesnt seem like a paedo but if youve got a link or something ill look it up
i mean if the book was a best seller in the art category then i highly doubt the millions of people that bought are paedos and also the statement which you attributed to him doesnt seem at all suspect but hey i understand your point of view
Dan's a savage, man said Adultwork 😅😅😅
This podcast should be called "Did Chuckie do it?
😂😂😂
So basically any next man can accuse of anything
and i can have evidence that the accusrr is not trustworthy but because
the accusations are so graphic and detailed they must be telling the truth...
i pray i never end up on trial for anything in this day and age
bro i been screaming this at fuckers since this documentary aired. Makes me sick...
@@corsinivideos trust me bro society is tapped
@@madaxwayne So fucked how everyone just believe it blindly, no fact check nothing. The self righteous clowns trying to speak to me about 'the victims' felt to spark a few people. Living in a post truth age man.
there are NO WARRIORS left - Bitch Made Dudes with Bitch Made "reasoning skills"
"They cannot see the woods for the trees" - Meetoo, in BLACK FACE !! SHOCKED !! DISGUSTED !!
How do you explain his stash of kiddie porn? Or is that just another fabricated detail?
I’m sure most have looked into it but that Wade guy seems to be after money - please look into the history of it... as for the other guy I don’t know
To summarise I’m not saying MJ was an Angel and tbf some of the things about him were weird af but there’s no proof of abuse.....
man said "I want the coffee tea and water" on the g dan kills me
I want to know where savage Dan got that jumper from🔥💯
On god
One of the best eps for a while! Only good things happen when Dan & Chuckie link up, coming like Yorke & Cole. Even Callum adds more than Poet 🤣
got massive respect for chuckie seems like a safe guy would like to meet him one day...
Man like chuckie, keep doing your ting!
“Condoms just don’t work well with me. I’m not on it” -Savage Dan, a father lmaoooo
Chucks it’s like grabbing a pizza from a hot oven with ur hands and then putting on oven mitts to eat a slice...counter productive 🤣🤣🤣
I thought wearing rubber was to give man 15-20 more years, NOT MINUTES! 🤣
Yesssss! Perfect for my hanging Sunday 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾💃🏾
At 18:36 was a pull upppppp the joy something can bring is uplifting
To any and every victim, my heart goes out to you, you deserve to be heard and have justice. I listen to victims but I don’t believe them until I see actual effects, and just feel the vibes. People, this is bigger than Michael Jackson but let’s not pretend that this is about Michael Jackson. Let’s be real. It can be about both. Yes trauma is a very complex thing but let me state some FACTS in this situation
Fact #1: Michael was an unusual/weird/ strange person. Undeniably. But weird does not mean guilty, just means you do not follow social norms making him easy for tabloids and media portrayal as a lunatic. I will not deny MJ as a weird figure. Yet I’ll say this: Michael Jackson didn’t like his father to the point he was scared of him and didn’t like him. Michael Jackson did have serious self confidence issues during his preteens and teen years because his father would call him ugly and big nose. I feel for you to judge Michael, I think you need to really learn about his life, especially his childhood. interesting thing with his behaviour, this all comes down to his being a reclusive. If you watched the Off The Walk documentary, from Mj’s archives, it is known that Michael wanted to no longer be the kid who sang ABC and become this figure whose career parallels with the greats in entertainment. The problem is because he was eccentric, it took it to a different level so I kind of understand why you say ‘feels’ like a lie because he did manipulate the media for his own gain sometimes, but remember the time he lived in. Image was everything. It still is now but imagine walking around with spots all over your body, bald and singing and dancing all the time, it kind of will make one react. With his facial reconstruction, MJ is not the only one to have done extensive work on his look so let’s not just act like he is the only one so
Fact #2: Michael Jackson has spoken sleeping beds with kids. Now as a 30 year old adult, sleeping with other people’s kids is weird. Mackauly Culkin has stated he has slept in the same room as him but and you find that this credible through the raids done of his house, one that was done while Michael was not in the county, that his room was two stories with various bathrooms
Fact#3: the people who corroborate these stories have bee found to be uncredible because they have stolen from Michael, they had sold things of Michael’s to the media for money.
Fact#4: Wade Robson and James Safechuck have credibility issues because since they sued the Jackson estate back in 2013, their description and their accounts have changed drastically. What we see in the ‘documentary’ is their perfected accounts from constant change. To believe these two is to believe they are liars anyway.
Fact#5: Various friends of Jackson’s still defend him: For instance and the one that holds the weight for credibility of these two accusers, Brett Barnes. In the film, he was stared to be the guy to replace them. He is suing HBO for the documentary for defamation. Yet, no one will report that, will they?
Fact#6: when he (Wade) stated that he knew all along what was going on. He has gone on record to say ‘he didn’t know it was abuse’ to ‘he felt shame’ . With Safechuck, his accounts of sexual activity are vary similar to a book that was found to have no sources and was sued by MJ due to the authors inability to find the sources and fled the country. That book also contained the dreaded ‘Child marriage’ story but the book said it was giving to Chandler. Also may I state this fact too, it was found during the court cases of 2013-2015, emails of Wade Robson consisted of him doing research on previous allegations against Michael Jackson and sending it to himself. Jimmy Safechuck’s mother in the doc said she danced the day MJ died yet it is known that the James made these claims first in 2013.
Fact#7: If Michael’s genitals were depicted accurately, let me ask this. If the found it accurate back in 93, wouldn’t they have indicted him? Yet there was no criminal case, the settlement was not for a criminal case, it was for a civil case. Michael’s insurance company paid the $22million. But another thing to show how stupid this argument is through this: if anyone found out that their child was being molested, why did Jordon Chandler open a CIVIL suit against MJ instead of a criminal case??????. Also why take the money and still not crave Michael. And for the argument well he was charged in 2005, that’s because the law makers decided to change the law into you have to file both criminal and civil cases after the Michael Jackson situation followed by 10 years of FBI investigations, raids on his house, both with him out of the country.
This would be my last fact on this: However people want to word this, whatever: Michael Jackson is dead so he cannot defend himself. There is no law protecting the dead from defamation so it is very easy for one to make claims. There is a difference between R Kelly and Michael’s situation that there is actual evidence saying that R Kelly did this and for Michael, it is he says she says. If these allegations make you uneasy, that is perfectly fine because we do not stand for this but we also need to do our due diligence because compared to every case, the accused is not here anymore. So we have to make this as balanced and not let emotions make us decide. Michael Jackson could be guilty, but he could also have been a target for a lot of people. Only 4 people have accused him of such acts and essentially, when it came down to the burden of proof, the perfect points on Jackson’s behalf.
So yes, we do need a conversation. I am not going to say ‘it’s all about money’ because evidence shows otherwise that it’s more than that. I think that they believe it is but it isn’t true. Like paranoia. I wasn’t there, I wasn’t even born when these actions allegedly happen but I’m judging is based on credibility and every accuser has NONE.
In summary, let’s balance the playing field. You watch his doc, watch documentaries of Michael, his interview and as a fellow artist, do listen to the music because music does tell truths. Oh yeah, after the first accusations Wade made in 2013 and said he can’t listen to Mj’s music without remembering what he did to him, there is a clip of him dancing to a Michael song, after the accusations.
But yeah watch the documentary but also watch things on Michael like the life of an icon documentary. Let’s level the playing field and look at his objectively form two sides instead of one.
If you want the sites to go to find my sources, just let me know 😊
Have a great day😊
www.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/ay42cx/a_condensed_version_of_the_major_credibility/
medium.com/@justhoughts/leaving-neverland-debunked-in-10-minutes-or-less-35d2017469ba
soundcloud.com/freespeechbroadcasting/2019-03-09-2-exclusive-interview-with-taj-jackson
ua-cam.com/video/zYx0vLfpRYY/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/LxFWgn43BwI/v-deo.html
Adekoyejo Oyewumi 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Thank you 🙏🏾
EXACTLY! Thank You For This! You Are Someone Who Has Done Their Research & I Applaud You👏🏾👏🏾
@@EstherTeejaay lmao “fans” talk about doing research while ironically doing no research
@@Nuggetsin4 I actually did research. I wouldn’t just blindly support an artist who has that many allegations on them “because I like their music”. I actually went out of my way to research into his cases, read court transcripts and FBI documents before I defended him. Maybe you should do the same, instead of being ignorant.
Nobody:
Savage Dan: This is why I'm always ready for war
lmaaaoooo
💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
So glad Poet wasn't involved
my day is now complete and callum has a mic!
mrndlprsnr 😂😂
Someone tell him it’s a condom not a coMdom 😂😂... ARGHHHHHHHHH
I love it when Dan laughs😂
I’ve been a pod cast listener for the last 8 months , follow Chucky on Instagram and that but this is the first time I’ve watched a video , and I just didn’t expect Dan to look like that haha
FUCKINNN’ LOVE SAVAGE DAN! Whataaaa guy
Callum needs a bit more mic time, seems bare smart
Teddy Scott bare?? You still in your nappies
he nose bare bres yana
This documentary was very manipulative if you really watch it from a video maker point of you view you see you see very clearly that they used a very thought out persuasive editing approach with them music (which they did have), the lighting, the timing of photos and everything. It’s so mad if you really deep how the documentary is really constructed. I feel the mum gave it away for me, if you realise you put your child in a dangerous position where they are molested by someone you trust, there would be much more emotions and trauma from her like that’s the most heartbreaking thing for a mother to hear yet she was reminiscing about the time with Michael all smiling and that, I don’t buy it because I have many friends who have been victims of traumatic experiences in the past or as a child and when describing it and basically re living it. The pain is still there and they always end up very emotional even if they have moved on to an extent, even I would know, yet These people are all smiling (yes I know it’s sometimes a coping mechanism but nahh im an empath but with I can see through people’s act and sense emotions and honesty I didn’t feel anything watching that..you saw everyone on the r kelly one bawling. Plus if you research wades track record and the loophole they found its such a joke I can’t believe people are falling for it.....I’m not even a MJ”Stan”
I agree with you that Wade Robson is hella shady, but MJ had a book called Boys Will be Boys that was a picture book made by 2 convicted pedophiles and the book was considered a classic amongst pedos. Hos lawyers claimed it was art and he got away with it.
DairShine It IS considered an art classic and it’s not pornographic in nature. You can literally buy it on Amazon.
Nobody:
Chucky: I want this one on my CV 🤣
Man said “do they smash” yh “hmmmokay” 😂 🤣 😂
fire man sam said u chat too much, u gonna have that?
loooool
keep up the good work chuckie
Watch the Michael Jackson Rebuttal parts 1 through 3
and then make up your mind
you shouldnt crucify a dead man with only on "side" of the story
Exactly. Dan and callum threw him under the bus
imagine them on a jury...
its peak
@@madaxwayne trust me fam would be hella peak smh
@TheActivistBook no doubt he wasnt an average geezer but what doesnt sit right is the lack of evidence unlike r kelly who can rot
@TheActivistBook so if u do something thats not illegal and then get nicked and bust case ud probs carry on.
Granted no one knows either way but that interview was not conclusive at all. Anyone who thinks so clearly does not understand how evidence works in the western world.
18:30 had me WEAK!! hella rewinds 🤣🤣
‘Graphic design the tape’ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
50:23 - i hate this about 'deaths' - everyone NOW wants to contact everyone, the dead person never heard from no one for all this time, now everyone 'cares', and then everyone wants to fight over their 'inheritance'. it's sickening. hate it!
Chuckie is right...MJ was to powerful and because he was a bit weird as Chuckie said due to his upbringing being in the music business from early and because of his behaviour and slightly strange character it's easy to say he's doing these thing's and get kids to say he did these thing's there are very very powerful people who knew that they couldn't control him...it's a deep topic but i've always thought that they framed MJ because of what he was capable of and the fact that he died while owning more than half of sony is super fishy....and the whole circumstances around his death it's all very strange...it's very deep
They did frame him. Read this if you're interested; mjjtruthnow.wordpress.com/2014/05/20/was-michael-jackson-framed-the-defining-1994-gq-article-by-mary-a-fischer-that-set-the-record-straight-on-the-1993-allegations/ and www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-thomson/one-of-the-most-shameful_b_610258.html
@TheActivistBook I had to come back and speak on this again...the fact that MJ was never found guilty and the kids who said he did shit back in the day when they got older they came out saying their parents put them up to it for the money and i'm sure one of them killed himself....on top of that the fact that MJ owned the beetles and more than half of sony which means when your biggest artist sell music MJ was getting a cheque he might of been strange but he was also very smart...they still trying to put dirt on this mans name after he's gone that's how powerful and wealthy he really was.
@TheActivistBook It weren't for sale bro...Don't get it twisted though I ain't saying that i'm correct but That's your opinion i'm stating facts there's a big difference....I could easily be wrong but when you look at the facts and everything surrounding the situation....it's deeper than what people think
the FBI watched MJ for 10 years and found NADA!!!
I have always been an MJ fan and even after the documentary came out I still thought Michael was innocent. I looked into Wade Robson and it seemed like he was in it for money and the fact that MJ wasn,t found guilty after 10 year FBi investigation and even a raid just seemed like he couldnt have been a pedophile. However, and it kills been to admit it since Ive always been a huge fan of MJ, but I am fairly certain MJ was a pedophile. It is quite strange how nobody likes to talk about it, but during the FBi raid they found a book titled, "Boys Will Be Boys" which was a photobook of only younger than 14 y/o boys. There were 3 or 4 other books that had only naked boys but one was gifted to him and I didnt look into those. But the book that I mentioned was made by 2 convicted pedophiles that found a group named NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) and the book is known to be a "classic" amongst pedophiles. The book is on amazon (it can legally be sold since its "art" or some bullshit) but they are all used copies and just have a read at the reviews... The people buying it are all pedos. No normal man would see that book and decide to keep it. MJ wrote on one of the pages "Look at the innocence and joy on this childs face, this is the childhood I wanted"... IDK, youre telling me MJ bought a book made by pedos and bought ONLY by pedos but he was a saint... I hate to admit it but it seems true.
two separate investigations on a 10 year span not a 10 year investigation. it was light aswell no phone tapping or anything.
@@Trudon They did tap him... there's even conversations on UA-cam 🤣 They took all his computers, rooted up the whole of Neverland. So I'd disagree
@@LadyChann 🤣🤣🤣 I just don't understand why people don't research these things before speaking. It's so simple and will litrrally take 2seconds. Yet they speak with such conviction while spreading lies 😏
of course mj was a pedo its bate. i still love his music and i think he had a caring heart but he also had sexual urges. we all have sexual shit we're into that people might find odd. people can be multiple things.
Savage Dan “I’m not impressed” out here sounding like a disappointed Dad!! 😂😂
"“Yeah - it’s pretty conclusive that he did it."
He watched a 4 hour film that meet's the definition of propaganda and he think's a 'prosecutions' case is all it takes to determine the veracity of an allegation. Smh." by @VP_Advocacy twitter
@23:40 - "Is he beating it? Is he beating it?" 😂
"I got a bredrin" sure chuckie sure
Yo Chucks I still run that tune! I can cancel an artist but I don't cancel their art. I agree that R . Kelly is different though so I only run his features or tunes he's written. I can't punish Ronald Isley, Nas or Ja Rule for his sins.
Also the train station one of them said they were abused in didn't even exist at the time. The whole "I didn't realise I was abused" bs don't wash with me cause Wade knew what MJ was being accused of when Wade testified under oath as an adult and said nothing happened to him. So he knew what abuse was, it's all about money.
I've only been watching/listening to the podcast for a few months, can anyone explain the reason it's called 'halfcast' ???
A person who is halfcast is someone who's parents are of different races. Like a black mum and white dad or whatever. I think they all have parents of different races
@@IAmRedherrings I know what halfcast is... I don't think Chuckie is. If anyone knows the actual reason please let me know don't need people guessing I can do that myself.
I know what halfcast is but would also like to know _why_ it's called halfcast
Maybe cuz chuckie is black and Callum is white
Look at Chuckie and Dan...smirking when they talk about Red light District
The most I have ever paid for a hair cut is £20 and I was still a bit pissed the trim was wkd tthough not gonna lie I had gyal eye me up all day. I remember when I had cainrow I paid £60 at a salon because my mum was taking the piss these times she's a hairdresser and said she ain't doing it no more I must cut it. Then it was getting long having afro every day all the hair greese I just cut it. I wish I never done that because after that cut my hair started receding
Chidera, The Slumflower, has clarified her comments in a written essay which can be viewed on her instagram. Would be good if you gave it a read and see if your thoughts on her stay the same. So important to hear different points of view, thanks for the full discussion and yea, Calums getting mugged off for his trim!
"Taller men get paid more than shorter men". Any stats or evidence for that?
Yes, human beings do and will make differences to discriminate, but that analogy was poor.
Sick show bro! Dam is a madness.
Where can I get dans hoodie from?
Where can I get that hoodie Dan is wearing?
I wouldn’t know , but isn’t 30 mins the min time and block of times measured in?
A women can legally offer services but only 1 women per flat that’s why soho has separate flats inside the buildings hope that clears it up for you
Time of upload is not the greatest for me but idc 😂 love from Australia
Zee Rico Australia the most islamaphobic country in the world... add racist to that as well
Marcus Houston is also suspect so No you should take that song off the playlist
The families befriended MJ, not the other way around. And I'm not vouching for MJ, a man I've never met!
Without MJ there would be no MTV Music and without that platform HipHop wouldn't be what it is today. It would have died a death years ago.
I've sent Taj a tweet to see if he and Brandi can come on ya show to answer some of those questions! It's would be a good interview! Peace.
Kevin East Acoustic Joy thats a great idea. We need to spread the truth through the U.K. aswell!
End of the day geezer died like 10 years ago and they waited until now to say anything when he can’t defend himself. It’s just fishy to me
Don skeng people said same thing about saville
Isaac Firestone True, however there is a big difference between MJ and Saville...there was a 10 year investigation going on when MJ was alive. Police went into MJ house and turned it upside down! MJ went through trial. MJ was accused and all the authorities discovered was one book with strange pictures of children amongst thousands of book in his library. The second thing was that he had an alarm in his bedroom. If I was as famous as MJ I would have security in my house and bedroom too. I mean, wasn’t George Harris stabbed in his house by a crazy fan who managed to get into his house? Jimmy Saville had 500 people come forward to accuse him of abuse. The nurse at the hospital caught him having sex with one of the kids and another person caught him down on an underage boy. The BBC new all of this and said nothing. There was no trial when Saville was alive and all the money he raised for kids went into his pocked- he was a crook as well as a pedo.
@@marinam1660 totally agree with you, well put👏💖
“To be honest wij ju” 😂😂
Marcus Huston - Up in the Club:
I'd still jam to it, but maybe for now hold of on spinning it. That "Pied Piper" shout out is what's the main unsettling part, especially when you know what it means! 😖
hannah60000 r Kelly wrote it lol
kurtis brown
I know, but he didn't sing it, hence why I made the distinction. Peace.
hannah60000 yea but it’s just strange how all the predators are supporting of each other in times of need 😂 they are both pied pipers
man said i want the coff, tea and water!! dead
R Kelly is also doing backing vocals on up in the club.
He's not the main singer and he's not in the video. You can't compare it to "I Believe I Can Fly" or "Step in the Name of Love".
I'd lay of it for now until the hype dies down.
Best Sunday viewing. Netflix will have to wait 💯
defo can't listen to "age ain't nothing but a number" can't really vibe to it anymore no more
when chuckie says Outrageous 🤣🤣😂
WHA GWAN FOR HARVEY WEINSTEIN THOUGH!!
you guys should check the Madeline mccan one .. anyone know where I can watch the Micheal Jackson one?
Much better vibes in this video 👌👌
Great ep! Everyone grew up with a Michael Jackson type character on their estate or road!
Chuckie 'I got a bredrin' Online
stop calling it a com dom
Easy answer: No.
Today is the first time i've seen Savage Dan, and fam he does not sound like how I thought he would look at all.
Abuse victims don't want money they want justice... Meaning jail or by death. No victim wants money from their abuser it's illogical. Every penny you spend is from the person who violated you, so they will still have power over you.
I'm actually over the fucking moon poet isn't on this episode. Dan+Chuckie+Callum = quality conversation without the constant screaming and references to ex girlfriends
MJ is innocent.
Tony Underscore Hundreds of black kids went to neverland. He was friends with both girls, boys, men, women, entire families. Kellie Parker was in his 1988 film Moonwalker and remained friends with him for several years and still has nothing but good things to say. Just like all of the other people who continue to defend Michael when they have nothing ($$$) to gain from it. His trial attorney still defends him, without having any ties to Michael’s estate. He does unpaid interviews in his defense, often. It’s easy to sell stories about people who are different. But you should read the story before you decide whether or not to buy it.
Lool man said I got a bredrin 😂
I enjoyed this and im only on the barbers talk lol
Savage Dan "Yes...Yes" 🤣😂🐸☕
There's so many tracks RKelly has produced and written for other people... you'll be cancelling a lot but personally it can't run.
White hair is quicker haha. I’m a barber. Trust me bro I know. Afro hair sometimes takes up twice the amount of time
Good conversion. But you really need to get Taj Jackson & Brandie Jackson on ya show to answer all those things you were discussing about MJ! Cause you really will rethink ya thoughts! Get them on Guys! Peace
With Latoya what you have to understand is her ex husband was abusive to her. Jack Gordon was connected to the real mafias. Listen he forced to say false things about her brother he threatend her life and her family. So what would you do if you were in her position back then?...then when finally out of that relationship when another accusation comes up she supported her brother which he GOT ACQUITTED OF ALL CHARGES.
Magic truffles in dam are better than weed. Different trip and its legal from the shops cos it does no harm
gnr they taste so baaaad tho 🤢
@@kurtisbrown7026 trust me had to have mine with some chocomel lool
gnr I don’t even know what chocomel is, I wish I did 😂 I had mine with a big pack of rainbow nerds
@@kurtisbrown7026 Its chocolate milk. Lool u missed out its popular in coffee shops 🤣