For anyone interested in leverless style arcade sticks I’ve been using one for a few years and there are a TON of benefits but I will say it is a big learning curve. What makes these sticks legal is something called SOCD cleaners (Simultaneous Opposing Cardinal Directions) which means when you hit two directions at the same time they cancel each other out. In the beginning there was a version where left and right at the same time would be read as right which gave charge characters the ability to do their super inputs for example while blocking virtually instantly. But now that isn’t the case. There are two modes that are currently used. One in which where down + up is read as up and the other where this same motion is read as neutral similar to the left and right situation being read as neutral now. If you play Street Fighter 6 in tournament then you’ll want the version that has left and right , as well as up and down equal neutral. Anyways without getting too into the nitty gritty this makes your inputs for things like quarter circle,360, half circle, motions easier and cleaner. It also grants you access to some incredible shortcuts that make some things easier and there is an inherent advantage to a stick layout in that regard. Interesting enough with controller remapping you can get some interesting shortcuts with a controller but that is usually not allowed in tournaments for some reason. I recommend giving these a try though as it really makes a difference. And if anyone’s curious just drop a question and I’ll answer 🤘🏾
@@ravantgarde1899 snackbox micro is good and works on all consoles but it's usually sold out. Fightbox b1 is also pretty good and is a cheaper option and is always available to buy.
I play on PC, so I've been using a keyboard. Put an order in for one of these as it should be an easy switch, but theoretically with more accuracy. I've used a stick in the past and have less input errors on the buttons, but more with the stick. Should be good to go here in a couple of weeks.
I remember when these were called "Hitboxes" and were really niche. Crazy to see how it exploded in 2018ish... seems like it was mainly due to daigo using leverless. I was actually at combo breaker where hitbox signed Daigo (they said they couldn't sell me the last one in stock because it was for him lol). I want to say it took me 2 weeks to be comfortable with it and about a month to play with it at the same level I can with other devices. I've been playing streetfighter 2 since it came out in arcades in the 90s, but most of my time was on pad because that's all I had. I learned fight sticks in 2017 and on, then built my own leverless the following year. I still feel like stick and pad are more intuitive in terms of directional movement. There are times wher I have to tell my brain to push buttons in a special order when my left hand would just automatically do it. I have a kitsune coming in today so can't wait to try it. I've built many sticks but the only ones I have left are a Qanba Obsidian 1 (converted to a leverless) and a qanba titanium. I wanted something slimmer and found it for a deal on ebay.
I wanted a commercial leverless fighting controller for a long time. I never liked playing on a stick, when i play tekken or mortal kombat on my xbox controller i never touch a stick. Can't wait to get my hands on this one.
Will they send you free stuff in the future if you say its useless? Can't be that impartial really with the promise of future free stuff I'm sad to say.
Even if it was the only product they were ever going to make, without the promise of future free stuff, one's mindset is hugely impacted by not having had to pay for it. Having received it for free automatically makes a review biased in my opinion.
It feels like this could still be very controversial in tournaments. Like you mentioned, the separated directional buttons could still create an advantage for certain inputs.
In a way it still does. Leverless controllers are by design admittedly a better option as while some of what it allows for are possible to do on a traditional arcade stick it is not practical or it just can’t be done in some cases. Truthfully it isn’t cheating it’s just because these are buttons you have access to certain things that skip the neutral input a stick does require .
@@anonwalkerr Yeah at this stage it’s been reworked and is approved. People still argue now and again (which led to Capcom s forcing a down+up=neutral mode specifically for competing in sf6) but yeah generally speaking use what you want
The advantage of this product is the thin design which is meant for travel *but it is banned in the official tournament*. I guess Playstation will try to negotiate EVOs EO to allow this version of hitbox to be used.
It is *not banned in any capacity in any tournaments. All majors, most leverless controllers are legal but especially this one as an official licensed product.
@@chigaderuhitboxes were always legal, the only time they were banned was at CPT when they changed the controller rules and hotbox had to update their firmware for SOCD cleaning.
I recently got a qanba drone 2 and boy do I suck on the stick! I bought the Sanwa buttons and stick to try out but I think I will have to stick to my dualsense for the time being. It is super fun to play with until you start to miss all your inputs lol
I wouldn’t get your hopes up, most arcade controller manufactures have abandoned Xbox. It’s only really Nacon & 8BitDo now, as Hori dropped Xbox for the SF6 variant of the Fighting Stick Alpha.
It is. PS4 is still the main console at tournaments and locals. SF6 is pretty much the only game currently played on PS5. And the converters don't work perfectly with the Kitsune but they're going to patch them. Hopefully sooner than later though.
They’re targeting this for sf6 audience. Plus most leverless out there are ps4 based and you need a ps5 adapter, but also cheaper. different target audience
@@JELIFISH19 MK1 & Tekken 8 will soon join SF6. But yeah, most of the other non-SF6 games are played on PS4 for tournaments. So this lacking support for the PS4 is concerning.
@@vhex61 it's still really strange though because every other licensed PS5 fightstick I've seen still supports PS4, including the ones from Hori, Victrix, and Qanba
I heard they are adding Roblox to Ps5🎉 I also think the kitsune is cool, the button design is new. But I was watching this video expecting a small ps5 controller😂
For anyone interested in leverless style arcade sticks I’ve been using one for a few years and there are a TON of benefits but I will say it is a big learning curve.
What makes these sticks legal is something called SOCD cleaners (Simultaneous Opposing Cardinal Directions) which means when you hit two directions at the same time they cancel each other out. In the beginning there was a version where left and right at the same time would be read as right which gave charge characters the ability to do their super inputs for example while blocking virtually instantly. But now that isn’t the case. There are two modes that are currently used. One in which where down + up is read as up and the other where this same motion is read as neutral similar to the left and right situation being read as neutral now. If you play Street Fighter 6 in tournament then you’ll want the version that has left and right , as well as up and down equal neutral.
Anyways without getting too into the nitty gritty this makes your inputs for things like quarter circle,360, half circle, motions easier and cleaner. It also grants you access to some incredible shortcuts that make some things easier and there is an inherent advantage to a stick layout in that regard.
Interesting enough with controller remapping you can get some interesting shortcuts with a controller but that is usually not allowed in tournaments for some reason.
I recommend giving these a try though as it really makes a difference. And if anyone’s curious just drop a question and I’ll answer 🤘🏾
Any recommendations for any that work with Xbox?
@@ravantgarde1899 snackbox micro is good and works on all consoles but it's usually sold out. Fightbox b1 is also pretty good and is a cheaper option and is always available to buy.
@@ravantgarde1899 you can buy any and use a brook gaming adapter
@@ravantgarde1899i don't recommend playing fighting games on Xbox
I play on PC, so I've been using a keyboard. Put an order in for one of these as it should be an easy switch, but theoretically with more accuracy. I've used a stick in the past and have less input errors on the buttons, but more with the stick. Should be good to go here in a couple of weeks.
All those years playing with a keyboard may be worth it after all
Why are there black bars in the video? It seems like it is part of the original video.
I remember when these were called "Hitboxes" and were really niche. Crazy to see how it exploded in 2018ish... seems like it was mainly due to daigo using leverless. I was actually at combo breaker where hitbox signed Daigo (they said they couldn't sell me the last one in stock because it was for him lol).
I want to say it took me 2 weeks to be comfortable with it and about a month to play with it at the same level I can with other devices. I've been playing streetfighter 2 since it came out in arcades in the 90s, but most of my time was on pad because that's all I had. I learned fight sticks in 2017 and on, then built my own leverless the following year. I still feel like stick and pad are more intuitive in terms of directional movement. There are times wher I have to tell my brain to push buttons in a special order when my left hand would just automatically do it.
I have a kitsune coming in today so can't wait to try it. I've built many sticks but the only ones I have left are a Qanba Obsidian 1 (converted to a leverless) and a qanba titanium. I wanted something slimmer and found it for a deal on ebay.
I wanted a commercial leverless fighting controller for a long time.
I never liked playing on a stick, when i play tekken or mortal kombat on my xbox controller i never touch a stick.
Can't wait to get my hands on this one.
I recently purchased this and love it so much. It’s been an absolute blast and feels very comfortable to use
Do you still like the Razer Kitsune?
Do a follow-up video this controller. Just got my controller 2 weeks ago and been loving it.
Will they send you free stuff in the future if you say its useless? Can't be that impartial really with the promise of future free stuff I'm sad to say.
Even if it was the only product they were ever going to make, without the promise of future free stuff, one's mindset is hugely impacted by not having had to pay for it.
Having received it for free automatically makes a review biased in my opinion.
It feels like this could still be very controversial in tournaments. Like you mentioned, the separated directional buttons could still create an advantage for certain inputs.
In a way it still does. Leverless controllers are by design admittedly a better option as while some of what it allows for are possible to do on a traditional arcade stick it is not practical or it just can’t be done in some cases.
Truthfully it isn’t cheating it’s just because these are buttons you have access to certain things that skip the neutral input a stick does require .
Youre a bit late by about 10 years lol
@@guitaroach Lol yeah it’s been around a hot minute. But they have gained popularity in the last few years
the com has been crying about this type of controller for like 8 years bro. enough people are using them that it doesn't matter anymore
@@anonwalkerr Yeah at this stage it’s been reworked and is approved. People still argue now and again (which led to Capcom s forcing a down+up=neutral mode specifically for competing in sf6) but yeah generally speaking use what you want
I own one, and I love using it.
Do you still like the Razer Kitsune?
Very much so.
@@strawberryforte thank you for the answer, I'm also thinking about getting one, but in EU it costs 380€ 💀
The advantage of this product is the thin design which is meant for travel *but it is banned in the official tournament*. I guess Playstation will try to negotiate EVOs EO to allow this version of hitbox to be used.
It is *not banned in any capacity in any tournaments. All majors, most leverless controllers are legal but especially this one as an official licensed product.
@@augusmnyt hitboxes are legal?
@chigaderu its legal in tournament
@@chigaderuhitboxes were always legal, the only time they were banned was at CPT when they changed the controller rules and hotbox had to update their firmware for SOCD cleaning.
It's not banned, never was. Leverless is the future.
I want one, but not at that price 😭
I recently got a qanba drone 2 and boy do I suck on the stick! I bought the Sanwa buttons and stick to try out but I think I will have to stick to my dualsense for the time being. It is super fun to play with until you start to miss all your inputs lol
Looking forward watching PunkDaGod beats someone using that pricy controller with a simple DualShock 4.
Will they make an Xbox one?
I wouldn’t get your hopes up, most arcade controller manufactures have abandoned Xbox. It’s only really Nacon & 8BitDo now, as Hori dropped Xbox for the SF6 variant of the Fighting Stick Alpha.
The lack of PS4 support could be an issue, but everything else looks great.
It is. PS4 is still the main console at tournaments and locals. SF6 is pretty much the only game currently played on PS5. And the converters don't work perfectly with the Kitsune but they're going to patch them. Hopefully sooner than later though.
They’re targeting this for sf6 audience. Plus most leverless out there are ps4 based and you need a ps5 adapter, but also cheaper. different target audience
@@JELIFISH19 MK1 & Tekken 8 will soon join SF6. But yeah, most of the other non-SF6 games are played on PS4 for tournaments. So this lacking support for the PS4 is concerning.
@@vhex61 it's still really strange though because every other licensed PS5 fightstick I've seen still supports PS4, including the ones from Hori, Victrix, and Qanba
is the PlayStation portal going to be released?
Yes.
Please keep in mind the razer kitsune has NO SOCD options.
They're gonna add the option in the future with a firmware update.
Update. It now has this option
It has now.
Honestly I'll stick to making my own out of cardboard and 2432715273 buttons
The only bad things I’ve heard about these are the price (you can get better for cheaper) and no ps4 compatibility.
What is BETTER...but cheaper?
I heard they are adding Roblox to Ps5🎉
I also think the kitsune is cool, the button design is new. But I was watching this video expecting a small ps5 controller😂
Yeah I’ll just stick to the snack box micro
Yeah I got the Victrix fs 12, snack box xl, and a hitbox. Snack box is the best one
Looks like a dam keyboard to me
been using keyboard since 90s on fighting games this feels more comfortable. 😅
thats the point
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First
Actually second😂