Gotta keep the potential customers in mind. You can't compare the Alien to a everyday-carry Glock for 500 bucks. If you compare it to a high-performance competition gun you're in about the same price range. Or how much do they charge for a 2011 these days?
I'm hoping to eventually see one around 1000-1500. Will we see it? I don't know. But I think it will sell well at that price. People pay that for 1911s.....
@@Martinez53072 Why should they sell the gun for 1k if they can sell more for 5k, than they can produce? Economics 101. And people pay 5k for 2011s. Can't compare the Alien to a Glock. This is a high end competition gun.
@@borismansion if they licensed the design I could see a polymer framed, non milled version for under $1000. Volume is where the real money is at once early adopters have theirs.
Not so much, there are loads of times channels with long histories of unbiased reviews have been sent reveiw copies with limited or no restrictions, and basically said its a cool idea not ready for the market yet. I half recall there was a "bullpup" handgun some time ago on either Forgotten Weapons or InRange that they showed endless jams ect with.
@@SheepInACart They definitely had a bullpup rifle they were given from the manufacturer that ceaselessly jammed on them. DeserTech or something? Dunno about the pistol tho
@@agentdills Yep, DesertTech's MDR. Ian and Karl gave lots of feedback on it, lots of other people gave their feedback on it, DesertTech listened, did a video on UA-cam themselves, updated the guns and then they ran flawlessly. The issue boiled down to DesertTech making nice rifle for nice people, but with the MDR, people were running utter El Cheapo garbage through it which they did not expect.
I have a feeling that the pistol would fail the mud test in a horrible manner. The gun was designed to be a pampered competition pistol, not something that would survive for years in the trenches. I like that the slide is within the frame, not sitting on top of it. This avoids have optics whacked around with every shot. But look at cutouts on the side that are used to access the slide to rack it. Lots of places for gunk to get in that would lock up the slide. The cutouts look cool but this has to also make the pistol more expensive to manufacture. A better design would be to have the slide completely enclosed, with the rear end flared out for the shooter to grip.
My brother and I argued back and forth for, like, half an hour over whether it would pass the mud test or not. My argument is that the open spaces aren't big enough for significant amounts of mud to get in, and the recoil would be violent enough that the first round will kick off any mud that does slip in; his argument is that the internals are so finely machined that any amount of mud would cause significant issue, and possibly become compacted into the front of the gun between the slide and the frame. The only real way to know will be for them to do a mud test. Pistols tend to perform really well with mud, even pistols that supposedly have problems with it (e.g., the P08 Luger).
Everyone's first reaction is seeing Karl show up and dunk it in coffee colored mud. I know my CZ will survive, and the Glock won't. The Glock's critical surfaces are exposed. Hell, it's flush with the exterior. For this guy, it's whether the ejection port is exposed, and if gunk will get between the top rail and the slide.
I had the privilege of shooting the Alien today and all I can say is: the hype is real. Muzzle flip practically non-existent. But you feel the gun recoil in your wrist and top of palm far more than normal 9mm pistols (even more so than my 10mm Glock 40), so it's a completely different recoil feeling to get used to. The gun is insanely precise... at 25m (regular precision match distance here) getting it into the black and hitting all 9's and 10's was easy. So, while obviously having advantages for the IPSC shooters, it is also hugely advantageous for precision shooters because of the non-tilting fixed barrel and the fixed sights that don't move with the slide. Now, someone wanna buy a kidney, lung or half a liver for 5 grand?
Some integrity there. "Hey, I've got this highly desirable gun for free, so I'm going to mess it up through a series of torture tests, because it's too expensive and rare for other people to do just like that!". Of course you see only what you're being shown, but it's not the first time Ian had displayed the demeanor of a true gentleman.
It's the most innovative pistol I've seen in a very long time. IMO it's also one of the best-looking pistols I've seen. YES, put it through its paces. Take it through the most grueling matches. Let's see how it performs. If it can take the harsh environments and many thousands of rounds, then it's worth the high price for a serious competition shooter.
Right? There's so many performance matches out there that focus only on raw speed on the clock under pressure, but they're competing on green grass fields and maintained compacted misted dirt which doesn't produce any mud or dust. I've always wondered just how durable these high 4 figure-mid 5 figure race pistols actually are, and now we're gonna find out just how good a novel design is on top of it!
So agree....If it can I would order one in a heart beat...or I would if I wasn't a UK resident. Hoping to soon move to retirement Florida ....so maybe I will be able to?!?
Ian: "This gun is expensive and nobody in their right mind would be willing to put it through all that. That would just be cruel." Also Ian: "yippee ki-yay"
The question is: can a lefty be accommodated with a replacement slide, or is the ejector placed in such manner that a 'simple' change of the slide is not enough?
@@Wild_Bill57 I watched yesterday's video again. What you see in the ejection port when the slide is in the front is the gas block on the right hand side above the barrel. On the left is the (recoil?) spring, which would be visible if the ejection port was on the left and would definitely let a lot of dirt into the inside or could also be damaged. ua-cam.com/video/rbGCL3iRm2Y/v-deo.html
Accuracy on this gun is regarded as superb by some professional shooters. On another channel the shooter was shooting steel silhouettes at about 1 per second at 100 yards.
So happy someone is doing a dust/snow/mud/torture test on this gun - only reason I've hesitated going for this gun is that no one has torture tested it 👌
the torture testing will be interesting. but if you get one would you really be espousing it to hell yourself? if not why is it a factor for you? not having a go mate just really interested why you would think that way.
Why would you torture test a competition pistol or your decision to buy one should be affected by it? I would understand testing whether it's durable enough for daily concealed carry if you're into carrying such a big pistol as a CC or even to see how many rounds you can put through it before it gets too gunked up to function properly, but why would you need to torture test it? This type of pistol is definitely not built as something that should even be considered to be put through such scenarios and I can already tell you it will perform very poorly in them, judging by its build, operation and complexity. This is a target pistol that you buy when you want something extremely accurate, not when you want to go roll in the mud and shoot cans. I mean, its price alone should be a reason to take extremely good care of it.
Ian is my hero. Had a fun time chatting with the designer of the hottest new pistol on the market and the guy sends him one. For free. This was probably the smartest marketing move that Laugo could have done since everyone trusts Gun Jesus. I wanted one before watching Ians' review. Now I want 2. Better buy an extra lotto ticket.
I wanted one in 2019 until I saw the price... so it _was_ in fact a forgotten weapon for me... I really, really want one. Unfortunately it's $5000 and I'm collecting bullpups. I could just about snag both an MDR and FS2000 for that.
@@FuzedBox you must remember it's meant for professional competitions mainly,if you see the price on some of those weapons the Alien is actually kinda ok priced. I can't afford it either without getting my a.. kicked by my significant other,maybe someday..
It'd be interesting to see some 9mm major ammo fired out of it to see how the gas delay system interacts with ammo designed to maximize gas volume. Maybe compare it to some subsonic loads to see what minimum vs maximum gas feels like and how the gun handles each.
Agreed, but I'd assume we'd see an "open" variant come out with a compensator, gas pedal, and slide racker, which honestly I'd love to see on the current model.
The fact that it’s $5,000 and even with $5,000 you still can’t get one makes me excited for the knock offs. I mean a high grade rip off may still be a $3,500 gun but I just want to see more and more of this design
IIUC there are a bunch of new patents in the system, meaning you have to wait for Laugo to be willing to cannibalize their ridiculous-margin early sales for that kind of mass market. Or just wait 14 years.
Lancer does have left handed holsters available upon request to replace the one that comes with it. The EagleWorks Holster is good and Red Hill Tactical has molds in production as we speak
If you go back and watch some of the early videos of Ian competing at the various 2 gun matches on In Range TV you’ll see how much he’s grown as a shooter, particularly with a pistol.
@@bensondeluca5951 Both he and Karl have greatly improved over the years, Ian with his shooting and Karl with his presentation and videos. Not that Ian hasn't improved in that realm as well, of course!
One of my friends has 3 or 4 of theese pistols, because he has been participating on this project as the factory testing shooter. He also designed the holster and some other stuff for this gun. Btw, the holster platform is also very intereting piece of engineering !!
I think that I started to like Czech Republic a lot more, beautiful country, extensive history, good beer and cool gun laws. Is the country emigrant friendly? Thanks for your response.
@@colombianguy8194 It depends. We are absolutely not hostile, but also not something like sanctuary country. Generally, law abiding people with good intentions are welcome.
@@tomasmarny3676 fair enough, not a sanctuary nor a racist Country. I'm an engineer from Colombia, wages, insecurity and gun laws sucks here, that's why I'm considering to emigrate.
@@colombianguy8194 (Sorry for stumbling into this so late.) FYI, as soon as you have Czech residency, you're eligible to request gun license---i.e. you don't need Czech citizenship to get it. However, you need to pass the exams, just like anyone. They are in Czech only, and you won't be allowed any aid (like an interpreter). So, practically speaking, you shall have to learn the language fairly well (part of the exam is safe manipulation, where you have to perform *exactly* the actions that the commissioner requests---so if you don't understand them, you have no chance to pass).
What a beautiful handgun. It's so refreshing to see a company really trying to innovate instead of just using what works. Maybe one day it will be in my price range!
That’s an impressive pistol. The recoil on it looks amazing, as in very little. I’m sure it has the price tag to match. Edit: $5000. I didn’t wait long enough to comment. Ouch.
@WomenHateShortMen because we live in an age when you can get impressive pistols for under a thousand dollars. (Heck, I'd consider the Taurus GX4 micro-9 to be an impressive pistol and you can get that for under $300.) Also, not a short guy myself but what's up with your username my guy 😂😂😂
@@BaritoneMonkey This thing isn't made out of plastic (polymer is just fancier plastic). It's hella accurate. It's consistent. The fact that the sight mount isn't integrated to the slide is great. Based on the tear-down in his other video and the uh....let's say "abuse" he gives it in one more video, it's extremely well built and appears incredibly reliable. Some people like to drive a Cadillac. Some people are ok with an 84' Toyota Tercel. Kinda depends what you want in life.
I really like this pistol. It has a lot of things I like: low bore axis, fixed barrel, hammer instead of striker and no awkward safety on the slide. In fact, no thumb safety at all. It only has a trigger safety.
The saguaro cacti says this definitely not New Mexico. To me, it looks like somewhere between Carefree, Black Canyon City AZ, Cave Creek, and Crown King Arizona
@Ian, besides fantastic review complementing previous technical review, I am grateful for the full disclosure in the end. Humanly speaking, very refreshing!
Sage Dynamics is probably the only other person/channel that's willing to potentially break a gun that expensive. If he ever got one he would do his 2000 rounds and 4 drop tests on it no doubt.
I can't wait to see the aftermarket parts for this. I'm imagining top straps with pic rails and fittings for different optics slides that is extended back with an AR style charging handle design, treaded barrels and compensators and of course different styles of grips
Yeah, im wondering how it would do with a compensator in one of the hot 9 mil chamberings (9x21, 9x23, 356 TSW, or the infamous 9x25 dillon) so it can make major
Ever since Hudson went tits up I was sad that I couldn't see any handgun as interesting in its cleverness. This one isn't as sleek as the Hudson, but it is definitely cool. And it's Czech!
Im in the same boat, to the point that I actually bought a NiB Hudson that I managed to find back in 2018 despite all good sense telling me not to. I am so glad that I did, I haven't had any issues with it that weren't blatantly user error in the several thousand rounds we've put through it, I still love the trigger on it, and I've got fairly large hands so the bulk of the thing just fits me perfectly.
*czechoslovakian. Ian said in the previous video that the designer is slovak, so that's why they say "czechoslovakian" even though the two countries are now separate again.
@@ebreshea1337 The company started in Slovakia and the chief designer is Slovak, but they moved to Czechia, so legally, they're Czech, because Czechoslovakia doesn't exist anymore. That "Czechoslovakia" is just a part of their name. Also, and we're kind of splitting hairs now, there is no Czechoslovak ethnicity. There is heavy mixing - I'm mixed too, but I don't claim to be Czechoslovak, more like Czech/Slovak, which would be IMHO a better cultural description of the company too.
CZ is doing great work, I love my Shadow 2. Easily the best 9mm I've ever shot. I used to think it was the caliber I didn't care for, but it was just the platform, Browning Hi-Power + CZ is a match made in heaven.
it will be cool to see aftermarket grips available. serializing the frame and making the grip a separate part allows you to do things with this gun similar to what you can do with a sig p320.
Only bad thing I've heard from owners here in Denmark is that it can get very filthy, it is a bit more annoying to clean, and it can get a little hot after multiple stages in an IPSC match. I think one said that the trigger pull felt different depending on whether he had the red dot or iron sight top on.
The trigger pull change makes sense. The whole hammer group is in the top strap. Plus anything delayed blowback is super fun to clean. Picked up a SP5 a year ago and it's a project after a little range time.
Anytime you keep hot gas "stuck" in the pistol to do something like "gas delay", the fouling is going to be a problem. If Ian can come up with a bunch of ammo, he can do the "how long will it shoot before getting gummed up" test with the Alien like he did with the Calico. I know companies providing samples to reviewers is tricky. It gives the appearance by buying good reviews. But Ian has the correct attitude of pressure testing the gun to see if it really is sturdy. Very gutsy move by the company.
@@theheck1895 nearly all (all?) pistol caliber semiautomatic guns that are not blowback are delayed blowback. Not all delayed blowback guns are hard to clean...in fact most aren't. Did you mistype and mean that the P7 (not the SP5) was difficult to clean?having owned a P7 I found the gas delay system only slightly more challenging to clean
Could that be cause the Hammer/sear sit ON the strap and the two were slightly differently set up? He might want to take it to a gunsmith and see if they can be better harmonized then...
So as soon as Ian took out the hostage taker, he started shooting the hostage himself. Nice twist ending. Turns out that Ian was the evil mastermind all along.
For the price and low volume of production, you'd think they would offer a left hand eject version of the pistol. Sure you could adjust your grip and you'll get used to it pretty easily, but again, for that price it should be perfect for the user in every way. Same thing with offering only a right hand holster.
I think another channel talked about how this design might actually manage to make full-auto/burst pistols practical due to the low bore axis/low muzzle climb. Can't remember who.
Great pair of videos - nothing commands my respect or excites me more than the genuine innovation of things that have an otherwise commonplace form. Not since watching the development of the Kriss Vector have I since seen something that lit me up. This is it for me - great design realisation, great user experience. Thanks Ian, nicely done.
I can’t wait to see how this gun performs in field tests. It’s nice to have a piece that’s inovative, and performers well not only at shooting range, but in other situationes too
That was one of the first things I thought of when I worked with mine. Tabs on the back and bigger serrations in front. I do almost everything from the front. Both top and bottom grip and I use the groove where the takedown pin is for my quick reference point then run my fingers along the sides. You must grab at the same point every time or you run out of slide space when fixing malfunctions if the optic is installed.
A durability/reliability test in "brutality" matches will be tremendous fun to watch, and see if the thoroughbred can haul wagons and plow fields as well as perform on the groomed racetrack. Looking forward to seeing it!!! 😋
From the other video, I'd say they'd only need to make a slide with the ejection port cut-out on the left and it would be good to go. I guess it would depend exactly where the transfer bar mechanism is located.
Nice pistol. I enjoyed watching you shoot the Laugo Alien. I know your channel is forgotten weapons, older firearms & uniquely made firearms. But I enjoyed watching you do a Modern firearm as well. You are a great shooter.
When i saw one of these online awhile back i was so sad id probably never be able to justify buying one at like 5 grand, because i do think theres some cool innovation that went into it. Im really glad Ian is around documenting and giving us insight and knowledge into all these amazing and awesome firearms.
As a competition pistol - things I don’t like : the stiff or, depending on ammo, not possible racking of slide on a full mag - this is due to the short breech block saddle design and the angle of the bullet for the steep feed ramp. It’s only problem if you have to load from start signal. S&B is fine as they probably used S&B 124 as their test ammo. The grip angle is not my favourite and I have to be aware of that and adjust to bring up the dot - more like a Glock than a 1911. The feed angle of the magazine into the grip is not intuitive - takes training to repeat at speed. A few times for reasons I can’t explain , I was reloading at full speed from slide lock and the cartridge flipped and chambered backwards. I had to pry the bullet apart with needle nose pliers to get it out . I do of reload drills so the only reason I can think of is that due to the low barrel the chamber is very deep - I don’t think I could do this on any other pistol. So . I’m on the fence abut committing to this as a competition gun. But it does shoot as advertised -specifically at flat out speed - just amazing !
I know everyone likes Ian, he is the "gun Jesus." However, and by no means is it immoral, wrong, illegal or otherwise iffy- BUT he does, and I don't care what anyone says, get certain perks for being an "influencer". He certainly has built a name for himself.
If he did not honestly like the gun he could ALWAYS return it to sender after testing it and pointing out every little problem with it. Testing stuff for free is NOT the same as being bribed to recommend it. Computer magazines and YT channels get new stuff all the time and aren#t bound to give good reviews just for having the implements free of charge. Seriously, some people are too paranoid for real life.
Interesting comment about the pistol being heavy. I have shot a pistol only one time (i live in EU country without a gun heavy culture). We were at a bachelor party and all went to a gun range. I shot 3 pistols subsequently. First a .22, then a 9mm and finally a .45. I don't recall what the first two were, but the .45 was a H&K mark 23. It was HEAVY in the hand. But once I shot a few bullets, it easily felt better than the 9mm. The recoil felt much more controllable.
I've always found shooting .45 ACP far more comfortable than 9mm Parabellum, I believe that's due to the increase recoil speed of the 9mm. The .45 ACP has more recoil in total, but it happens over a longer time.
The mk 23 is such an oversized, heavy pistol that it can absorb a lot of the recoil. For reference a Glock 17 weighs 625g (with no mag inserted) and the mk 23 weighs 1.2 kilos without a mag. When one pistol is twice the weight of another its going to be softer shooting as long as its not in a magnum cartridge.
The Laugo Alien is an interesting design and concept. I wonder if other flavors of the Alien would show up such as more economic models, compact and subcompacts, and the like.
Seems to be designed with competitive "race gun" needs and wants. Those tend to be in the 9mm "family" (Luger, Super and IMI lengths). Simple to the cut the chamber deeper, but use the same basic tube (blank). Ex: It would only need a new chamber for .357 Sig or .38 Super, but ALSO a different bore for .40/10mm. The loss of capacity in .45 would NOT be useful in "speed" competitions. In NRA Action Pistol, I have to use "less than full" magazines as it is (6 rounds each x 'at least' 3 mags)
I think the problem with turning this into a subcompact design would be the gas system. It seems to take up a lot of space and I don’t know how much it can be scaled down.
@@davidschneider9145 the shorter the barrel, the faster the bullet exits the muzzle & drops pressure to a safe level to open the breach. This can no doubt be scaled down, but as said in the vid, the heat may become more of an issue when doing so. Only a prototype would tell. I am also curious about a compact size, or an alternate chambering.
I suspect that at least some of the "special sauce" is tied to the form factor. The slide weight is reciprocating relatively low compared to the center of mass. That requires enough mass to balance that. It also benefits from a full-hand grip: you're going to see more muzzle flip in a subcompact no matter how clever the design, right? And, of course, quick follow-up shots matter less when you have fewer rounds anyway. That's not to say baby Aliens wouldn't be good! Just that if the service-pistol Alien is 15% better than a Glock, a subcompact might only be 8% better than its equivalents.
It’s interesting to see a company to refresh older concepts and modernize them. I wish they would make a pistol that was more affordable for the general public.
Sounds like a great deal all round. They get a completely independent and unbiased testing of their gun, with results broadcast wordwide, by a known and trusted person. Who definitely knows what they are looking for, and talking about. And Ian gets his hands on what initially looks like a fantastic firearm, and gets to see first hand how it survives in every environment he cares to literally throw at it. And the best bit.... We get to see it all play out from our sofas, while drinking coffee
Gas delayed blow back is self regulating, the pressure tending to force the breech open is opposed by the gas piston. Pressure on the area of the case diameter leads to cycling force, pressure on the area of gas piston diameter is the delay force. The ratio of the gas piston to case diameter minus the friction of the case in the chamber is what keeps it safe. You will note the gas piston diameter is about half that of the case. Something to think about. Remember, H&K use a fluted chamber.
"And I will strike down upon thee With great vengeance and furious anger Those who attempt to assemble and sell bad guns And you will know my name is the Lord When I lay my Laugo Alien upon thee"-Gun Jesus, Book of Armaments
Cannot wait for the results of durability testing, and for more companies to license the IP behind it. I can't quite bring myself to buy one just because. But once it becomes more affordable, I'm very curious to see how it handles.
I don't live in the US, I can't legally own this firearm, I don't even think if like the same level of firearms in my country as there are in the US, but I still, really appreciate that Ian is willing to test this pistol in real world conditions. Amazing content as always.
Ian says the price and breaks my heart. So much want. May the pistol break legs in its trials. It is an ingenious design. Reminds me me of my dads browning .22 with stationary "top rail" and slide in the middle.
Sorry for this post but lost my son Tuesday He was to good for this world. But putting Ian on and listing to his calm voice talking about the weapons in the back ground has helped me close my eyes and rest stopping the demons Many thanks Ian
You should look at the Phoenix Trinity Honcho. It’s essentially a 2011 but with a unique barrel lockup design that allows the gun to quickly change barrels/calibers to meet rules for different competition divisions. Basically one gun you can shoot Limited, Open, Multigun etc with. It’s a very well thought out design to a competition pistol.
Seriously if I was the maker of this gun I would support you and also use your experience at those gun competitions to check if the gun can handle it … I feel this is a good check point for your gun quality…
@@Tscheche89 UA-cam has an average cost of $2000 to reach 100,000 veiwers, this is a $5,000 gun, so if they just paid for adverts they'd have reached 250,000 people. Presently (about 12 hours after video release) there have been about half that many veiws, but of course for a longer and more detailed coverage. Its worked out well for the company, but its still on the same order of normal adverts cost, not "free" in any notion.
@@SheepInACart true but I belive that because of the nature of this chanel not only didnt the viewers skipped this video but watched but also the possibility that they could consider to buy such a weapon would be higher then with the average comercial. Also this is Ians second video on the topic so that adds up the viewes
@@SheepInACart Major difference between an ad and a review though. Also, even if the company has done internal testing, having someone outside is always helpful as they look at it from a different angle. Plus it gives us confidence that they aren't just BSing the customer.
I'm gonna be honest, I'm happy that they're struggling to keep up with demand! I'm absolutely overjoyed to see something that isn't a JMB copy-paste with some sci-fi bits added start to catch on the market!
For a long time I've thought pistols like this would become the norm, it just makes much more sense than the Browning style. Glad to see it is finally happening.
@@zarinkai2927 I don't think there's much more cost inherent in gas delayed blowback designs. If they start to gain enough popularity, budget gas blowbacks will be coming.
The slide reminds me of my Browing Buckmark. It's a simple blow back 22lr and it just has the rear part of the slide moving but the top of the gun and barrel are fixed like this gun.
Here is a question for the Ballistics experts. I have found that the ballistics at distances 100-200 yards were unexpected. I understand those are long distances but I was curious and Alien was extremely accurate at these distances but the hold under was unexpected. Anyone able to explain the why?
Not a Ballistics expert, but I'm willing to bet that the gas-delayed blowback design uses the gas more efficiently, so the bullet has more energy behind it. Just a gut feeling, happy to be proven wrong.
Apart from ambi ejection ports and a lower profile red dot I think also a finger loop at the back of the slide for easier cocking given the limited grip surfaces could be a benefit.
"...nobody out there who gets one is going to be willing to deliberately risk damaging it.
So, I'm going to."
What a legend.
Gun Jesus sacrifices himself(or at least his own guns) so we don't have to
A true Gun Jesus move.
Very excited to see this
Man I love this channel for the small quirks like this.
The hero we all need, even if we don't deserve him.
There's a reason why this gun is on Forgotten Weapons. You see what it costs, and you can forget about owning one.
Maybe in time we’ll get to see other companies try their hands at similar designs to help reduce the cost. Maybe it’ll be Ruger or something.
Gotta keep the potential customers in mind. You can't compare the Alien to a everyday-carry Glock for 500 bucks. If you compare it to a high-performance competition gun you're in about the same price range. Or how much do they charge for a 2011 these days?
I'm hoping to eventually see one around 1000-1500. Will we see it? I don't know. But I think it will sell well at that price. People pay that for 1911s.....
@@Martinez53072 Why should they sell the gun for 1k if they can sell more for 5k, than they can produce? Economics 101. And people pay 5k for 2011s. Can't compare the Alien to a Glock. This is a high end competition gun.
@@borismansion if they licensed the design I could see a polymer framed, non milled version for under $1000. Volume is where the real money is at once early adopters have theirs.
It's cool that Laugo added space inside their carry case for Marcellus Wallace's soul
@@bmstylee He's black, and definitely not a bitch.
@@bmstylee What?
@Wild Bill Marcus looks eerily similar to Samuel L. Jackson. Almost like they're twin brothers.
@@remcovanvliet3018 I think you meant Ving Rhames. 😊
@@intellectualwino8696 Gets treated like one later though.
I love how this channel is named Forgotten Weapons, but definitely moonlights as Unforgettable Weapons a good percentage of the time.
That is a well-put, nice comment right there RA, have a super day!
Yeah, but it's those oddball weapons hardly anyone knows about that makes the channel worth it.
You had me at right handed gun. You lost me at $5k.
The fact that Laugo is so confident to send out the pistol to Ian without any kind of contract should tell us something already.
Not so much, there are loads of times channels with long histories of unbiased reviews have been sent reveiw copies with limited or no restrictions, and basically said its a cool idea not ready for the market yet. I half recall there was a "bullpup" handgun some time ago on either Forgotten Weapons or InRange that they showed endless jams ect with.
@@SheepInACart are you referring to the Boburg pistol?
@@SheepInACart They definitely had a bullpup rifle they were given from the manufacturer that ceaselessly jammed on them. DeserTech or something? Dunno about the pistol tho
@@agentdills Yep, DesertTech's MDR. Ian and Karl gave lots of feedback on it, lots of other people gave their feedback on it, DesertTech listened, did a video on UA-cam themselves, updated the guns and then they ran flawlessly.
The issue boiled down to DesertTech making nice rifle for nice people, but with the MDR, people were running utter El Cheapo garbage through it which they did not expect.
@@Vilamus yeah I remember it being a bit of a Cinderella story for the company. Good on em
Ian: “I’m going to do horrible things to this pistol”
Everyone: “Does this mean an InRage TV mud test?”
MUD!
TEST!
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MUD!
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I have a feeling that the pistol would fail the mud test in a horrible manner. The gun was designed to be a pampered competition pistol, not something that would survive for years in the trenches. I like that the slide is within the frame, not sitting on top of it. This avoids have optics whacked around with every shot. But look at cutouts on the side that are used to access the slide to rack it. Lots of places for gunk to get in that would lock up the slide. The cutouts look cool but this has to also make the pistol more expensive to manufacture. A better design would be to have the slide completely enclosed, with the rear end flared out for the shooter to grip.
My brother and I argued back and forth for, like, half an hour over whether it would pass the mud test or not. My argument is that the open spaces aren't big enough for significant amounts of mud to get in, and the recoil would be violent enough that the first round will kick off any mud that does slip in; his argument is that the internals are so finely machined that any amount of mud would cause significant issue, and possibly become compacted into the front of the gun between the slide and the frame. The only real way to know will be for them to do a mud test. Pistols tend to perform really well with mud, even pistols that supposedly have problems with it (e.g., the P08 Luger).
Everyone's first reaction is seeing Karl show up and dunk it in coffee colored mud.
I know my CZ will survive, and the Glock won't. The Glock's critical surfaces are exposed. Hell, it's flush with the exterior. For this guy, it's whether the ejection port is exposed, and if gunk will get between the top rail and the slide.
Fuck yes
I had the privilege of shooting the Alien today and all I can say is: the hype is real.
Muzzle flip practically non-existent. But you feel the gun recoil in your wrist and top of palm far more than normal 9mm pistols (even more so than my 10mm Glock 40), so it's a completely different recoil feeling to get used to.
The gun is insanely precise... at 25m (regular precision match distance here) getting it into the black and hitting all 9's and 10's was easy. So, while obviously having advantages for the IPSC shooters, it is also hugely advantageous for precision shooters because of the non-tilting fixed barrel and the fixed sights that don't move with the slide.
Now, someone wanna buy a kidney, lung or half a liver for 5 grand?
If I had USD$5k, I'd buy one myself xD
@@Vilamus honestly, if I was terminally ill and had to choose between a new kidney or the Alien, I would definitely buy the Alien.
@@skuripandaburns3489 That is legit.
What an amazing coincidence you shot one the same day he released a video....
@@mg1342mg I call it destiny.
Some integrity there. "Hey, I've got this highly desirable gun for free, so I'm going to mess it up through a series of torture tests, because it's too expensive and rare for other people to do just like that!". Of course you see only what you're being shown, but it's not the first time Ian had displayed the demeanor of a true gentleman.
he's called gun jesus for a reason
It's the most innovative pistol I've seen in a very long time. IMO it's also one of the best-looking pistols I've seen. YES, put it through its paces. Take it through the most grueling matches. Let's see how it performs. If it can take the harsh environments and many thousands of rounds, then it's worth the high price for a serious competition shooter.
Right? There's so many performance matches out there that focus only on raw speed on the clock under pressure, but they're competing on green grass fields and maintained compacted misted dirt which doesn't produce any mud or dust. I've always wondered just how durable these high 4 figure-mid 5 figure race pistols actually are, and now we're gonna find out just how good a novel design is on top of it!
So agree....If it can I would order one in a heart beat...or I would if I wasn't a UK resident. Hoping to soon move to retirement Florida ....so maybe I will be able to?!?
Ian: "This gun is expensive and nobody in their right mind would be willing to put it through all that. That would just be cruel."
Also Ian: "yippee ki-yay"
Whom the Lord loveth, so also he chasteneth...
The question is: can a lefty be accommodated with a replacement slide, or is the ejector placed in such manner that a 'simple' change of the slide is not enough?
That was my first question. The way the springs and rods are configured might cause some complications, though you might just be able to flip it over
The mag release is ambi. Never felt bullet ejection side was a problem with a handgun. This just requires modification of the hold.
@@Wild_Bill57 I watched yesterday's video again. What you see in the ejection port when the slide is in the front is the gas block on the right hand side above the barrel. On the left is the (recoil?) spring, which would be visible if the ejection port was on the left and would definitely let a lot of dirt into the inside or could also be damaged. ua-cam.com/video/rbGCL3iRm2Y/v-deo.html
I think the gas piston port is off venter on the barrel and switching slides might not work.
This is such a well thought-out design I’d hope it would be
Accuracy on this gun is regarded as superb by some professional shooters. On another channel the shooter was shooting steel silhouettes at about 1 per second at 100 yards.
So happy someone is doing a dust/snow/mud/torture test on this gun - only reason I've hesitated going for this gun is that no one has torture tested it 👌
the torture testing will be interesting. but if you get one would you really be espousing it to hell yourself? if not why is it a factor for you? not having a go mate just really interested why you would think that way.
Why would you torture test a competition pistol or your decision to buy one should be affected by it? I would understand testing whether it's durable enough for daily concealed carry if you're into carrying such a big pistol as a CC or even to see how many rounds you can put through it before it gets too gunked up to function properly, but why would you need to torture test it? This type of pistol is definitely not built as something that should even be considered to be put through such scenarios and I can already tell you it will perform very poorly in them, judging by its build, operation and complexity.
This is a target pistol that you buy when you want something extremely accurate, not when you want to go roll in the mud and shoot cans. I mean, its price alone should be a reason to take extremely good care of it.
@@tommyfred6180 I live in Finland there's only snow and Mud
Silly, you aren’t going to do much beyond shooting it anyhow.
its a competition special not a carry piece ... its NOT going to handle mud well, hell id bet it wont be able to survive even slightly dirty water ...
Ian is my hero. Had a fun time chatting with the designer of the hottest new pistol on the market and the guy sends him one. For free.
This was probably the smartest marketing move that Laugo could have done since everyone trusts Gun Jesus. I wanted one before watching Ians' review. Now I want 2.
Better buy an extra lotto ticket.
I wanted one in 2019 until I saw the price... so it _was_ in fact a forgotten weapon for me...
I really, really want one. Unfortunately it's $5000 and I'm collecting bullpups. I could just about snag both an MDR and FS2000 for that.
@@FuzedBox you must remember it's meant for professional competitions mainly,if you see the price on some of those weapons the Alien is actually kinda ok priced. I can't afford it either without getting my a.. kicked by my significant other,maybe someday..
It'd be interesting to see some 9mm major ammo fired out of it to see how the gas delay system interacts with ammo designed to maximize gas volume. Maybe compare it to some subsonic loads to see what minimum vs maximum gas feels like and how the gun handles each.
Could make for some good high speed video.
Agreed, but I'd assume we'd see an "open" variant come out with a compensator, gas pedal, and slide racker, which honestly I'd love to see on the current model.
The fact that it’s $5,000 and even with $5,000 you still can’t get one makes me excited for the knock offs. I mean a high grade rip off may still be a $3,500 gun but I just want to see more and more of this design
IIUC there are a bunch of new patents in the system, meaning you have to wait for Laugo to be willing to cannibalize their ridiculous-margin early sales for that kind of mass market.
Or just wait 14 years.
Lancer does have left handed holsters available upon request to replace the one that comes with it. The EagleWorks Holster is good and Red Hill Tactical has molds in production as we speak
Ian: It's heavy.
Boris: Heavy is good. Heavy is realiable.
I’ve really enjoyed watching you improve as a shooter over the years. It’s definitely been a little inspirational/motivational to me.
wasn't he always this good?
If you go back and watch some of the early videos of Ian competing at the various 2 gun matches on In Range TV you’ll see how much he’s grown as a shooter, particularly with a pistol.
@@bensondeluca5951 Both he and Karl have greatly improved over the years, Ian with his shooting and Karl with his presentation and videos. Not that Ian hasn't improved in that realm as well, of course!
@swarm509 completely agree
It's been a while since I've watched Ian shoot pistol and this was my first thought.
One of my friends has 3 or 4 of theese pistols, because he has been participating on this project as the factory testing shooter. He also designed the holster and some other stuff for this gun. Btw, the holster platform is also very intereting piece of engineering !!
Ok
I think that I started to like Czech Republic a lot more, beautiful country, extensive history, good beer and cool gun laws. Is the country emigrant friendly? Thanks for your response.
@@colombianguy8194 It depends. We are absolutely not hostile, but also not something like sanctuary country. Generally, law abiding people with good intentions are welcome.
@@tomasmarny3676 fair enough, not a sanctuary nor a racist Country. I'm an engineer from Colombia, wages, insecurity and gun laws sucks here, that's why I'm considering to emigrate.
@@colombianguy8194 (Sorry for stumbling into this so late.) FYI, as soon as you have Czech residency, you're eligible to request gun license---i.e. you don't need Czech citizenship to get it. However, you need to pass the exams, just like anyone. They are in Czech only, and you won't be allowed any aid (like an interpreter). So, practically speaking, you shall have to learn the language fairly well (part of the exam is safe manipulation, where you have to perform *exactly* the actions that the commissioner requests---so if you don't understand them, you have no chance to pass).
What a beautiful handgun. It's so refreshing to see a company really trying to innovate instead of just using what works. Maybe one day it will be in my price range!
That’s an impressive pistol. The recoil on it looks amazing, as in very little. I’m sure it has the price tag to match.
Edit: $5000. I didn’t wait long enough to comment. Ouch.
LOL. Yup.
@WomenHateShortMen because we live in an age when you can get impressive pistols for under a thousand dollars. (Heck, I'd consider the Taurus GX4 micro-9 to be an impressive pistol and you can get that for under $300.)
Also, not a short guy myself but what's up with your username my guy 😂😂😂
@@BaritoneMonkey This thing isn't made out of plastic (polymer is just fancier plastic). It's hella accurate. It's consistent. The fact that the sight mount isn't integrated to the slide is great. Based on the tear-down in his other video and the uh....let's say "abuse" he gives it in one more video, it's extremely well built and appears incredibly reliable.
Some people like to drive a Cadillac. Some people are ok with an 84' Toyota Tercel. Kinda depends what you want in life.
@@Astraeus.. of all the brands you had to go comparing it to... Cadillac? Really?
If you want the full kit, it’s 6K.
I love that Ian still remembers the one handed support side pistol shooting from Desert Brutality because I will always remember that struggle
I really like this pistol. It has a lot of things I like: low bore axis, fixed barrel, hammer instead of striker and no awkward safety on the slide. In fact, no thumb safety at all. It only has a trigger safety.
@@xthee_0nly_1x11 Hey there!
Shooting an Alien in the desert….you’re not in Roswell, New Mexico, are you?
The saguaro cacti says this definitely not New Mexico.
To me, it looks like somewhere between Carefree, Black Canyon City AZ, Cave Creek, and Crown King Arizona
@Ian, besides fantastic review complementing previous technical review, I am grateful for the full disclosure in the end. Humanly speaking, very refreshing!
Sage Dynamics is probably the only other person/channel that's willing to potentially break a gun that expensive. If he ever got one he would do his 2000 rounds and 4 drop tests on it no doubt.
There should be a gofundme page for this!
I can't wait to see the aftermarket parts for this. I'm imagining top straps with pic rails and fittings for different optics slides that is extended back with an AR style charging handle design, treaded barrels and compensators and of course different styles of grips
Yeah, im wondering how it would do with a compensator in one of the hot 9 mil chamberings (9x21, 9x23, 356 TSW, or the infamous 9x25 dillon) so it can make major
Get one of these with a stock for literally no recoil, like a BB gun or something
Ever since Hudson went tits up I was sad that I couldn't see any handgun as interesting in its cleverness. This one isn't as sleek as the Hudson, but it is definitely cool. And it's Czech!
@@bmstylee The FK Brno got more affordable with their PSD pistol, at $1750 it's not cheap, but much cheaper.
Love myself some czechnology.
Im in the same boat, to the point that I actually bought a NiB Hudson that I managed to find back in 2018 despite all good sense telling me not to. I am so glad that I did, I haven't had any issues with it that weren't blatantly user error in the several thousand rounds we've put through it, I still love the trigger on it, and I've got fairly large hands so the bulk of the thing just fits me perfectly.
*czechoslovakian. Ian said in the previous video that the designer is slovak, so that's why they say "czechoslovakian" even though the two countries are now separate again.
@@ebreshea1337 The company started in Slovakia and the chief designer is Slovak, but they moved to Czechia, so legally, they're Czech, because Czechoslovakia doesn't exist anymore. That "Czechoslovakia" is just a part of their name.
Also, and we're kind of splitting hairs now, there is no Czechoslovak ethnicity. There is heavy mixing - I'm mixed too, but I don't claim to be Czechoslovak, more like Czech/Slovak, which would be IMHO a better cultural description of the company too.
It's great to see Ian, in his element, and percolating in his own joy. Thanks for sharing.
I'm proud of my country's gun manufacturing/designing industry
Y'all are hitting it good! Lots of good innovation, and good affordable manufacturers as well.
So are we :)
I, and the two Cz's in the room with me (one in my belt), concur. America says Thank You.
Get Laugo working on that delayed blowback Scorpion drop in.
My P-09 that I carry as a duty pistol agrees with you.
CZ is doing great work, I love my Shadow 2. Easily the best 9mm I've ever shot. I used to think it was the caliber I didn't care for, but it was just the platform, Browning Hi-Power + CZ is a match made in heaven.
it will be cool to see aftermarket grips available. serializing the frame and making the grip a separate part allows you to do things with this gun similar to what you can do with a sig p320.
Only bad thing I've heard from owners here in Denmark is that it can get very filthy, it is a bit more annoying to clean, and it can get a little hot after multiple stages in an IPSC match. I think one said that the trigger pull felt different depending on whether he had the red dot or iron sight top on.
The trigger pull change makes sense. The whole hammer group is in the top strap. Plus anything delayed blowback is super fun to clean. Picked up a SP5 a year ago and it's a project after a little range time.
Anytime you keep hot gas "stuck" in the pistol to do something like "gas delay", the fouling is going to be a problem. If Ian can come up with a bunch of ammo, he can do the "how long will it shoot before getting gummed up" test with the Alien like he did with the Calico. I know companies providing samples to reviewers is tricky. It gives the appearance by buying good reviews. But Ian has the correct attitude of pressure testing the gun to see if it really is sturdy. Very gutsy move by the company.
@@theheck1895 nearly all (all?) pistol caliber semiautomatic guns that are not blowback are delayed blowback. Not all delayed blowback guns are hard to clean...in fact most aren't. Did you mistype and mean that the P7 (not the SP5) was difficult to clean?having owned a P7 I found the gas delay system only slightly more challenging to clean
Could that be cause the Hammer/sear sit ON the strap and the two were slightly differently set up? He might want to take it to a gunsmith and see if they can be better harmonized then...
@@RabidMortal1 No, most pistol caliber guns that aren't blowback are recoil-operated.
I appreciate that you are willing to put this through its paces instead of babying it. Its also amazing that you cover the new deaigns
So as soon as Ian took out the hostage taker, he started shooting the hostage himself. Nice twist ending. Turns out that Ian was the evil mastermind all along.
"Sorry, pal, no witnesses. It's only business."
For the price and low volume of production, you'd think they would offer a left hand eject version of the pistol. Sure you could adjust your grip and you'll get used to it pretty easily, but again, for that price it should be perfect for the user in every way. Same thing with offering only a right hand holster.
Ian: I know something you don't know
Wesley: And what is that?
Ian: I am not right handed
I wonder how well this would do as full auto. Not for practical reasons, just curious.
Or burst fire
Send one to Jerry Miculek and find out
It gets hot pretty fast. Can’t imagine full auto
I think another channel talked about how this design might actually manage to make full-auto/burst pistols practical due to the low bore axis/low muzzle climb. Can't remember who.
Damn imagine this action but full auto and with a B&T-style extendable brace/stock.
Great pair of videos - nothing commands my respect or excites me more than the genuine innovation of things that have an otherwise commonplace form. Not since watching the development of the Kriss Vector have I since seen something that lit me up. This is it for me - great design realisation, great user experience. Thanks Ian, nicely done.
Another great video. I've been waiting to learn a lot more about that pistol. I look forward to the upcoming videos. Thank you Ian
I can’t wait to see how this gun performs in field tests. It’s nice to have a piece that’s inovative, and performers well not only at shooting range, but in other situationes too
Looks like an incredible gun, thanks for being willing to put it through its paces!
The way he casually said:
I now have a left handed holster for my Alien.
Grateful that you included the disclosure.
Damn. Sweet handgun.
This is one weapon that is unlikely to be forgotten.
@@justme_gb heh. Fair.
In my case, the sticker shock was so bad I'll have PTSD nightmares about it for the rest of my life.
Already is forgotten, its been 3 years out and now where to be seen. Basically custom shop tier.
@@1014p My LGS got one in last month. It wasn’t there when I went back the week after.
What handgun are you talking about?
Awesome video on an awesome looking pistol Ian!! Cant wait to see the follow up videos on this!
I can see the alien benefiting from some form of side mounted tabs like that on the HK VP9 to assist with racking the slide.
That was one of the first things I thought of when I worked with mine. Tabs on the back and bigger serrations in front. I do almost everything from the front. Both top and bottom grip and I use the groove where the takedown pin is for my quick reference point then run my fingers along the sides. You must grab at the same point every time or you run out of slide space when fixing malfunctions if the optic is installed.
or a rear-mounted pull-handle AR-style
Awesome glad your planning on multiple videos. Got a little hopefull for that when ya mentioned the 2 outings, and fresh kydex
I can't wait to see what comes out of the copy cats down the road. This could change the pistol market finally after years of Glock copies
It says patent pending on the gun. You won't see any copy cat for a long time
Too expensive. Glock clones are plentiful because it is an inherently cheap design.
@@Skeletomania alot of the tech is public domain
@@paullytle1904 Yeah piston style has existed, they might be able to get one for that hammer trigger setup
@@ThZuao In every way - but there is a faily large market for good guns
Made in Czech republic. By a slovack designer. Well done! In fact I live in Slovakia. So thank you.
A durability/reliability test in "brutality" matches will be tremendous fun to watch, and see if the thoroughbred can haul wagons and plow fields as well as perform on the groomed racetrack. Looking forward to seeing it!!! 😋
I enjoy your reviews and this is an excellent example of low bore axis
Nice pistol, albeit a bit out of my price range. And at 6:15, your camera person needs to get screen credit!! LOL Thanks for the demonstration, Ian!
That was great to see you try one handed and right handed. Glad to see you having so much fun!! Thanks for making this
Great review yesterday! As well as your review of the KP9. Bought one because of you and GT! Have a great Saturday! 😁
Also, as a southpaw I appreciate your review of a lot of these!
Also, because of the design would you run a fixed barrel piston in a suppressor or a spring?
Can't wait to see the durability test! You're the man Ian!
For the coin they could make a left hand model. I want to see Jerry Miculek run one after some familiarization runs.
Or maybe just a deflector that can be added at the breech area.
Considering they don't have production capacity even for right-handed one, I don't think anything like that will come anytime soon.
From the other video, I'd say they'd only need to make a slide with the ejection port cut-out on the left and it would be good to go. I guess it would depend exactly where the transfer bar mechanism is located.
I think that's a "let's see how well this fairs" kinda situation. The gun does well and then they can work on accessories and conversion kits
Indeed, the lefty market might not justify the work and possibly retooling to produce a limited run of lefty friendly pistols.
Formally, the Vintage Sig P-210 was the pistol I lusted after but could never afford, but now this!
Better get use to seeing these in scifi films for the next decade or two,
Nice pistol. I enjoyed watching you shoot the Laugo Alien. I know your channel is forgotten weapons, older firearms & uniquely made firearms. But I enjoyed watching you do a Modern firearm as well. You are a great shooter.
Aloha; well done! Compliments to the camera operator - great shots! Great handgun! Mahalo
Great camera and camera work
When i saw one of these online awhile back i was so sad id probably never be able to justify buying one at like 5 grand, because i do think theres some cool innovation that went into it. Im really glad Ian is around documenting and giving us insight and knowledge into all these amazing and awesome firearms.
They will go down in a while
We all live vicariously through Ian's adventures in drool-worthy firearms.
Thank you Ian for you Alien series. Just had a shoot today and I think I'll go back tomorrow!
3:21 Can we appreciate how Ian shot the edge of the plate after the "hostage" swing target got locked in the middle position?
As a competition pistol - things I don’t like : the stiff or, depending on ammo, not possible racking of slide on a full mag - this is due to the short breech block saddle design and the angle of the bullet for the steep feed ramp. It’s only problem if you have to load from start signal. S&B is fine as they probably used S&B 124 as their test ammo. The grip angle is not my favourite and I have to be aware of that and adjust to bring up the dot - more like a Glock than a 1911. The feed angle of the magazine into the grip is not intuitive - takes training to repeat at speed. A few times for reasons I can’t explain , I was reloading at full speed from slide lock and the cartridge flipped and chambered backwards. I had to pry the bullet apart with needle nose pliers to get it out . I do of reload drills so the only reason I can think of is that due to the low barrel the chamber is very deep - I don’t think I could do this on any other pistol. So . I’m on the fence abut committing to this as a competition gun.
But it does shoot as advertised -specifically at flat out speed - just amazing !
That’s amazing. Huge props to Laugo for doing something new. I love it.
Design, Research and Development...it all adds up and is expensive/risky.
That looks like such a beautiful area to do some shooting
"I'm getting nothing from Laugo for this."
You're getting *a free gun*.
I know everyone likes Ian, he is the "gun Jesus." However, and by no means is it immoral, wrong, illegal or otherwise iffy- BUT he does, and I don't care what anyone says, get certain perks for being an "influencer". He certainly has built a name for himself.
If he did not honestly like the gun he could ALWAYS return it to sender after testing it and pointing out every little problem with it. Testing stuff for free is NOT the same as being bribed to recommend it. Computer magazines and YT channels get new stuff all the time and aren#t bound to give good reviews just for having the implements free of charge.
Seriously, some people are too paranoid for real life.
Is it actually a free gun or is it a T&E gun?
Compared to the cost of a tv commercial the cost of the gun is nothing.
Interesting comment about the pistol being heavy. I have shot a pistol only one time (i live in EU country without a gun heavy culture). We were at a bachelor party and all went to a gun range. I shot 3 pistols subsequently. First a .22, then a 9mm and finally a .45. I don't recall what the first two were, but the .45 was a H&K mark 23. It was HEAVY in the hand. But once I shot a few bullets, it easily felt better than the 9mm. The recoil felt much more controllable.
I've always found shooting .45 ACP far more comfortable than 9mm Parabellum, I believe that's due to the increase recoil speed of the 9mm. The .45 ACP has more recoil in total, but it happens over a longer time.
The mk 23 is such an oversized, heavy pistol that it can absorb a lot of the recoil. For reference a Glock 17 weighs 625g (with no mag inserted) and the mk 23 weighs 1.2 kilos without a mag. When one pistol is twice the weight of another its going to be softer shooting as long as its not in a magnum cartridge.
The Laugo Alien is an interesting design and concept.
I wonder if other flavors of the Alien would show up such as more economic models, compact and subcompacts, and the like.
Aliens next, then Alien 3?
Seems to be designed with competitive "race gun" needs and wants. Those tend to be in the 9mm "family" (Luger, Super and IMI lengths). Simple to the cut the chamber deeper, but use the same basic tube (blank). Ex: It would only need a new chamber for .357 Sig or .38 Super, but ALSO a different bore for .40/10mm. The loss of capacity in .45 would NOT be useful in "speed" competitions. In NRA Action Pistol, I have to use "less than full" magazines as it is (6 rounds each x 'at least' 3 mags)
I think the problem with turning this into a subcompact design would be the gas system. It seems to take up a lot of space and I don’t know how much it can be scaled down.
@@davidschneider9145 the shorter the barrel, the faster the bullet exits the muzzle & drops pressure to a safe level to open the breach. This can no doubt be scaled down, but as said in the vid, the heat may become more of an issue when doing so. Only a prototype would tell.
I am also curious about a compact size, or an alternate chambering.
I suspect that at least some of the "special sauce" is tied to the form factor. The slide weight is reciprocating relatively low compared to the center of mass. That requires enough mass to balance that. It also benefits from a full-hand grip: you're going to see more muzzle flip in a subcompact no matter how clever the design, right? And, of course, quick follow-up shots matter less when you have fewer rounds anyway.
That's not to say baby Aliens wouldn't be good! Just that if the service-pistol Alien is 15% better than a Glock, a subcompact might only be 8% better than its equivalents.
that little dance and big smile after the first three bullets in this vid... thanks Ian.
I love firearms that cost more than my car.
Great you got it for free. You are the right guy to show us around this cool pistol. I appreciate your work.
It’s interesting to see a company to refresh older concepts and modernize them. I wish they would make a pistol that was more affordable for the general public.
I wouldn't be surprised if they were to issue a "Ian edition" for south paws ! Ian is the best PR person for this particular piece !
The version Ian has is a limited production edition of 500, and is no longer available, what a shame, love to have one!
"....so I'm going to...." Ian - you're a whole lot tougher than most ! Looking forward to those videos !!!
Sounds like a great deal all round.
They get a completely independent and unbiased testing of their gun, with results broadcast wordwide, by a known and trusted person. Who definitely knows what they are looking for, and talking about.
And Ian gets his hands on what initially looks like a fantastic firearm, and gets to see first hand how it survives in every environment he cares to literally throw at it.
And the best bit....
We get to see it all play out from our sofas, while drinking coffee
trUe lUxuRy....or some wine...music..
Gas delayed blow back is self regulating, the pressure tending to force the breech open is opposed by the gas piston.
Pressure on the area of the case diameter leads to cycling force, pressure on the area of gas piston diameter is the delay force.
The ratio of the gas piston to case diameter minus the friction of the case in the chamber is what keeps it safe.
You will note the gas piston diameter is about half that of the case. Something to think about.
Remember, H&K use a fluted chamber.
"And I will strike down upon thee
With great vengeance and furious anger
Those who attempt to assemble and sell bad guns
And you will know my name is the Lord
When I lay my Laugo Alien upon thee"-Gun Jesus, Book of Armaments
Gun Jesus taking out 10+ hostage takers with just one magazine! I feel blessed to have witnessed this miracle!
“Well regulated” 😂
My wifi has been shotty lately, when he switched to his right hand i thought it went out again for a second.
Cannot wait for the results of durability testing, and for more companies to license the IP behind it. I can't quite bring myself to buy one just because. But once it becomes more affordable, I'm very curious to see how it handles.
My money is on Ruger copying this.
@@The_Osprey Perhaps on their 5.7 GEN2.
I wonder if you could have small heatsink fins on the barrel to dissipate heat, and direct exhaust gases through the fins for better cooling.
Now if only I could get one without having to sell a kidney...
I really want to see some future content with the Laugo! Looks like an awesome handgun and I cant wait to see what it can do.
I don't live in the US, I can't legally own this firearm, I don't even think if like the same level of firearms in my country as there are in the US, but I still, really appreciate that Ian is willing to test this pistol in real world conditions.
Amazing content as always.
Well, if you dont live in marxists counrty, you should buy this gun without any problems.
If you have money.
If you come to the United States with a Green Card, you can get one.
Well I don't know where you live but you can own handguns in the whole of Europe except the UK.
Ian says the price and breaks my heart. So much want. May the pistol break legs in its trials. It is an ingenious design. Reminds me me of my dads browning .22 with stationary "top rail" and slide in the middle.
Sorry for this post but lost my son Tuesday
He was to good for this world.
But putting Ian on and listing to his calm voice talking about the weapons in the back ground has helped me close my eyes and rest stopping the demons
Many thanks Ian
Sorry for your loss.
My condolences
You should look at the Phoenix Trinity Honcho. It’s essentially a 2011 but with a unique barrel lockup design that allows the gun to quickly change barrels/calibers to meet rules for different competition divisions. Basically one gun you can shoot Limited, Open, Multigun etc with. It’s a very well thought out design to a competition pistol.
Seriously if I was the maker of this gun I would support you and also use your experience at those gun competitions to check if the gun can handle it …
I feel this is a good check point for your gun quality…
at this stage looking at how many people saw the video this is free advertisement.
@@Tscheche89 UA-cam has an average cost of $2000 to reach 100,000 veiwers, this is a $5,000 gun, so if they just paid for adverts they'd have reached 250,000 people. Presently (about 12 hours after video release) there have been about half that many veiws, but of course for a longer and more detailed coverage. Its worked out well for the company, but its still on the same order of normal adverts cost, not "free" in any notion.
@@SheepInACart true but I belive that because of the nature of this chanel not only didnt the viewers skipped this video but watched but also the possibility that they could consider to buy such a weapon would be higher then with the average comercial. Also this is Ians second video on the topic so that adds up the viewes
@@SheepInACart Major difference between an ad and a review though. Also, even if the company has done internal testing, having someone outside is always helpful as they look at it from a different angle. Plus it gives us confidence that they aren't just BSing the customer.
What was interesting was the low recoil. The low bore aspect and gas delay really helps in that.
I'm gonna be honest, I'm happy that they're struggling to keep up with demand! I'm absolutely overjoyed to see something that isn't a JMB copy-paste with some sci-fi bits added start to catch on the market!
I love the stress test idea! Can't wait to see it!!
For a long time I've thought pistols like this would become the norm, it just makes much more sense than the Browning style. Glad to see it is finally happening.
It'll happen for the rich. The rest will be left browning style as it's more affordable.
@@jamesmccaul2945 The gas delay design has been around for quite a while, but it has never really caught on.
laughs in 5k
@@zarinkai2927 I don't think there's much more cost inherent in gas delayed blowback designs. If they start to gain enough popularity, budget gas blowbacks will be coming.
The slide reminds me of my Browing Buckmark. It's a simple blow back 22lr and it just has the rear part of the slide moving but the top of the gun and barrel are fixed like this gun.
Here is a question for the Ballistics experts. I have found that the ballistics at distances 100-200 yards were unexpected. I understand those are long distances but I was curious and Alien was extremely accurate at these distances but the hold under was unexpected. Anyone able to explain the why?
Not a Ballistics expert, but I'm willing to bet that the gas-delayed blowback design uses the gas more efficiently, so the bullet has more energy behind it. Just a gut feeling, happy to be proven wrong.
I'd put my money on the fixed barrel.
Apart from ambi ejection ports and a lower profile red dot I think also a finger loop at the back of the slide for easier cocking given the limited grip surfaces could be a benefit.