The PUZZLING Origins of Umpire Signals | Baseball History
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
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Have you ever wondered where baseball umpires' hand signals originated? No, you haven't. But I'm going to tell you anyway, because the story is actually pretty interesting.
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SOURCES
MLBUA
Baseball Hall of Fame
startasl.com
hearingandbalancelab.com
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 - 1:39 Intro
1:40 - 5:27 Bill, Silk, & Dummy
5:28 - 7:10 The Real Answer
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MUSIC
"Come With Us" - Nat Keefe & Hot Buttered Rum
"Cuckoo's Nest" - Nat Keefe & Hot Buttered Rum
"The Slow Rabbit" - Nat Keefe & Hot Buttered Rum - Спорт
"Yup, when a batter hits a homerun the natural thing to do is twirl your finger in the air like you're giving an invisible giant a prostate exam" LMFAO
LoL
Imagine becoming deaf as a child and known by everyone as “dummy”
At least you couldn't hear the haters.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The original meaning of the word "dumb" was mute/speechless/silent. They weren't calling him stupid. That meaning didn't come until later.
@@benn454 yep. there's still some of that kind of thing in language. like "dumbstruck" doesn't mean "you've been struck stupid" it means "you've been struck speechless". pretty much the only reason i ever knew "dumb" meant "mute" was from the stand by stephen king.
@@conedx Interestingly, German also has the collquial term "doof", which means "stupid", these days, but if you look closely, you can see that it used to mean "deaf".
@@benn454
Words had different meaning back then compared to today.
Seen the 1990’s movie “Blast From the Past”?
“Gay” literally just used to mean “happy”.
Not going to lie, seeing those military-esque umpire boot camps has me DEAD
All this great history, and then there was Angel Hernandez and Joe West.
Joe West gets good grades from players and coaches.
that dazed and confused clip got me😂
Wow definitely a very unique subject
U have 16.9k subs nice😂
How could you ignore the contributions of enrico palazzo on the umpiring profession?
Dang it. I posted the same thing 2 months later. Well done, sir.
Klem may have originated the modern ump’s positioning behind the catcher’s right shoulder, but it’s also relevant that he was an NL ump, as the NL umps used the interior chest protector. I’m not sure when that started, but I know that the AL did not start the transition away from the “balloon” chest protector until the ‘70s, and there were still AL umps using the balloon into the mid- ‘80s. The balloon necessitated the umps standing up straight, and led to the higher strike zone that the AL was known for.
I learned this story in high school while taking American sign language. It is one of my favorite "weird" baseball stories.
That’s really cool!
You're hitting your stride man, another banger. Great subject
That prostate exam joke was great. Thank you for blessing my day. Praise Shrek
How do you not have more subscribers ?
Your channel is awesome !
My new favorite baseball channel
0:50 it’s always good to do that thing where you tell everyone that only 10% of people are subscribed it’s a part of modern culture!
U everywhere lol
@@25rasc I do watch a lot of UA-cam videos...
@@RetroBaseball well it worked for me, I thought I was subbed but checked and I wasnt so I subbed
What really sucks is when all your views for new videos are from your subscribers but only 10% of your subscribers watch the video.
Okay, I just very recently came across your channel, (this is probably my 2nd or 3rd video of yours that I've watched,) and, despite the fact I was already inclined to do so, the "Dazed & Confused" meme added to the subscribe request was brilliant. so.... sub guaranteed. 👍
Been here since 100 subs and the videos have just gotten better! Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the support, I really appreciate it!
This is a future big time channel you got here lad.
Thank you so, so much for your videos. I just subscribed and am loving the content keep it up my friend!! :)
Bro thank you for your channel. Love videos like this !
I was already subbed but the dazed and confused made me so happy
another awesome video. Had never thought of where the origins of the hand signals came from, just assumed they were around forever
You earned my subscription if for no other reason, than for using that dazed and confused clip. Amazing videos man
Hey just wanted to say I really enjoy your work, thanks for the content :)
Eric Gregg had the best punch out hand signal in my book.
First video, but the DaC reference can totally get you a sub. Solid video my guy.
National League umpire Dutch Rennert was my favorite. Everyone heard him when he called strikes. I think the fans loved him for that.
I don't always subscribe to a channel when i'm asked to in the video, but when i do it's because the content is pretty much kicking ass!
Good video man , I'm really enjoying your content. I've always wondered about home plate umps when they point to their right on strike calls. I'm assuming it was to point to an official scorer in the old days? Also I maybe a distant relative of Silk O'Loughlin. My ancestors also settled in upstate NY around the time his family did and spelled our name the same way back then.
Thanks for making this I was recently wondering where the hand signals originated and this helped a bit.
Great content! Keep up the good work!
Your channel is picking up traction. I subbed 2 days ago when you had 2k. Feel like I got in on the ground floor of a cool new baseball channel
Thanks for your support!
past 4k now. wooderson's doing a lot of convincing
great video and some nice insight at the end!
Wasn’t expecting to see myself in the video at 0:33 pleasant surprise
Wasn’t expecting to see myself in the video at 1:00 alright alright alright
Whoa, that’s a really cool coincidence!
I’ve always wondered this so great video
best solicitation for a sub i’ve ever seen. had to do it
As an High School Umpire I'm guessing you are right that is combinations of many people coming up with one or two signals and more people adapting them over time. I'm guessing the idea or Right Hand Strike and Left hand Ball did come from Dummy and his coaches, and some umpires thought it was a good idea and integrated that over time.
This is my first vid I've watched of yours & I IMMEDIATELY hit like and subscribe.
Came for the baseball knowledge.
Stayed for the OST.
That last umpire was insane lol
subscribed
Can’t wait to see your video on 10 cent beer night or disco demolition night!
This video was so good that I came back to watch it again
Still one of my favorite channels
Great video! Thanks for your education.
Subbed. Also the soothing bg music on this vid has brief shades of stp’s “interstate love song”. Thanks for the neat video!
Also, William Hoy looks like Jesse Plemmons
I’ll subscribe that was hilarious
thanks for the bonus at the end thet guy really made it wort it not skipping the last few seconds
Great vid.
Fascinating!
You got me, bud. Subbed.
I subscribed!
Ok you got me with Wooderson.
I love Dazed and Confused.
Interesting video, I've never known why they had certain hand signals or where they originated.
00:40 I don't know what prostate exams you are getting... I don't ever remember anyone twirling their finger around like THAT 😳
Holy shit you're already at 3000 subs! Congrats
Thanks! It’s very exciting
past 4k now! wooderson's doing a lot of convincing
Wooderson convinced me to subscribe. Thank you!!! 🤣😂
Saw u on NYY recaps and had to sub. I'm an Umpire for fast pitch &slow pitch softball 🥎. And ty it was very enjoyable video
Glad to have you here!
Liked for umpire at the end having too much fun.
My favorite National League umpire was Dutch Rennert. He would have fit in perfectly in the pre-hand signal era with the volume of his strike calls.
Hey! It's Enrico Pallazzo!
Love your channel!! Would love to hear your take on Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays getting banned in 1980 for having appearances at Casinos.
I’ve never heard that story, but it sounds interesting, I’ll have to look into it!
"And it looks like Earl Weaver is leaving the dugout to visit home plate. He may have a problem with the video......"
The only thing missing in this video was Leslie Nielsen's umpiring in "The Naked Gun".
LOL exactly what I wanted to see
I clicked so unhumanly fast....
Ok
Fastest mouse in the west 🖱💨
Baseball isn't the only game where umpires use hand signals; cricket umpires use hand signals to communicate their rulings to the people keeping score; the laws of cricket, however, don't describe the actual signals, they just state that the "umpire shall call and signal" (a wide delivery, for example). Of course, cricket umpires are a long way from the edge of the playing field where the scorers are, so hand signals make sense. I could imagine that they may have at least inspired or demonstrated the usefulness of signals in baseball
The giant-prostate-exam had me sub real quick.
1:25 idky this umpire dojo is so funny to me
I like to think there exists a retreat where umpires go to find themselves through intense Umpire yoga and eye exercises and those clips were taken there.
They use to be a lot more animated with their body language. I miss that. Especially the 3 Karate punch 👊 called strike 3
As a Giants fan since the 80s when you said homerun signs was likw giving a Giant a prostate exam since my head is always in baseball mode when I watch your vids I for a sec was wondering wtf you were talking about. Imma dum dum.
We had a tee ball and coach pitch umpire like the guy in the last shot. So, getting called out wasn’t as depressing as other games. It was quite amusing!
What about the "out" and "safe" signals? Any info on their history?
I notice umpires don’t put much emphasis on a strikeout swinging vs a strikeout looking but it would look silly to do that if it’s obvious to everyone that he’s out. I notice different signals for out where it’s a really close play the umpires use a punching motion because they sell the call. But when it isn’t close the umpire clenches the fist.
2:30=the nastiest curveball I've ever seen...props to ya kid
How u sprain ur larynx
Can you do football? The invention by Beade of flags to mark penalties is relatively recent and well known, but I'd like to know about the history of officials' signals in American, Canadian, Rugby Union, and Rugby League football, and whether some of them had a common origin. Like, was 2 arms up in imitation of the goal posts? Was the old "punch" signal for touchdowns by subordinate officials related to the arm-up try signal? Did Canadian signals for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd down get progressively less ostentatious (arms, then forearms, and finally fingers) because of television? Did Rugby League borrow its fist-up 4th (now 6th) tackle signal from American football?
I have a request, do a vid on my fav ranger of all time Josh Hamilton
Remember when umpires actually verbally called strikes that you could hear on TV...
How could you forget Frank Debrin masterfull usage of signals and the introduction of a new one: to end a brawl and/or a discussion with a ".38 Special"
0:20
Oh so you're like me? My condolences.
When it’s strike three they just wanna hit them with that left right jab
OK, I'll give them all credit. But my question is: When, exactly and why, did the "out" signal go from raising the clenched fist with the thumb extended upward to the "punch" we see nowadays? As a boy, I remember the thumb. Even Joey Gladstone used it in his "Cut. It. Out." routine.
Remember too that the umpire used to announce to the crowd the batteries for the game, as well as line up changes, pinch hitters, etc. No wonder "Silk" lost his voice!
What roll if any did Luther "Dummy" Taylor play in all this? He was the 3rd Pitcher for the NYG between 1901 and 1910. Over shadowed of course by McGinnity and Matthewson. Incidentally, both he and Hoy were excellent at stealing the opposing teams signals due to the nature of their disability. Hoy who played CF, was the 2nd best base stealer of his era behind only the fleet footed Billy Hamilton. Taylor won 27 games in 1901 for the Giants in his best year. Taylor was also a card. He once went to coach 3rd base in a rain coat with goulashes and an umbrella in a game he felt should have been called for rain. Another time he went to the mound with a lantern when he felt it was to dark to play. Both Taylor and Hoy were legendary for their sign language tirades that they would unleash on umpires who knew they should be angry but didn't know why to the great amusement of the fans.
Do you think Hoy was like wth when he read the first newspaper article he was mentioned in and referred to as “Dummy”?
Fun fact setting up in the slot or off to the side of the catcher also keeps the umpire from getting hit by foul balls.
Angel needs to watch this and learn the proper situations to use them
I hope one day you can make a video about Zack Greinke 😂
I hope one day I can make a video worthy of Zack Greinke
If I was the catcher that guy at the end would drive me crazy
I thought they were going to tell things like how and why spreading your arms out came to mean both "safe" and "no swing". I mean, what does that gesture have to do with being safe or not performing a full swing of the bat?
I find it insane there was a time deaf people were called dummies as if they couldn't learn something as simple as hearing lol
I think it referred to deaf and dumb - dumb as in unable to speak. That's all that was referring to.
It makes sense an umpire would try and steal the glory from a deaf guy
2:28 Can we please talk about this nasty pitch that kid threw? That’s filthy, absolutely disgusting.
I would still rather have that umpire at the end more than Angel.
The primary problem is when professional baseball umpires got hired as softball umpires and the American softball association is completely different from MLB
In professional baseball most empires have a side motioned with their index finger pointing to the side that's a strike motion in professional softball or anything under the American softball association you're supposed to take a fist and then raise your right arm real slow and a quick fast motion for a strike call these are 2 different physical actions and when umpires in professional baseball had to be retrained To work softball they brought softball techniques back with them into professional baseball and it doesn't happen a whole lot any more but for many many years that was a problum
"the natural thing to do is to is twirl your finger in the air like you're giving an invisible giant a prostate exam." that's just brilliant writing and yet, so wrong at the same time.
I’ve watched baseball my entire life and have never once wondered where they came from. Am I an npc?
Are those umpires off to join the army? Weird seeing hand signals taken so seriously
He wasn't mute though. He was deaf. Not deaf and dumb. Why was his nickname dummy??
There should be a hall of shame for angel Hernandez
If I am calling a strike. I think its like aiming a crossbow. Which seems appropriate. For some reason.
are you magic mitch? you sound just like him :)
My goodness an umpire school....😂😂
He was nicknamed Dummy because of a thing about himself that he had no control over, and that he rose above to play baseball professionally, and we are terrible human beings.
I had the same thought when I started reading about him, so I looked into it.
Apparently, the word “dumb” was used at the time to describe someone who did not speak, and it was only over time that it came to be used as a synonym for stupid. Hoy actually preferred to be called Dummy, and he often corrected people who called him by his given name of William, so at least it seems that he wasn’t offended by it.
@@BaseballHistorian Hoy's teammates learned Sign Language so they could communicate with him. It seems that his fellow players not only accepted him, but truly made an effort to include him. A deaf player today certainly would not be called Dummy, but in Hoy's day, the nickname was not an insult. It was no different than calling a player Red, Lefty, or Whitey.
@@jayef53 Exactly. My first reaction was to think his teammates were just being mean, but it’s actually a pretty uplifting story