Mahavishnu Orchestra - Meeting Of The Spirits/You Know You Know

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  • Meeting Of The Spirits/You Know You Know - The Mahavishnu Orchestra - Live at the BBC 1972
    John McLaughlin - guitar
    Jan Hammer - keyboards
    Jerry Goodman - violin
    Rick Laird - bass
    Billy Cobham - drums
    A special thanks to the BBC for graciously allowing this video to exist here.

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  • @CoolCoverBro
    @CoolCoverBro 5 років тому +989

    One of my favorite stories regarding this amazing band is that when they opened for Frank Zappa back in the early 70's, Zappa was so blown away and was determined to form a new group that included Chester Thompson, Ruth, and George Duke as a response to the power of Mahavishnu Orchestra. Imagine being a band that blew Frank Zappa's mind!

    • @thomasschreiber9559
      @thomasschreiber9559 4 роки тому +48

      I've heard it said that the Mother's of Invention were trying to imitate Mahavishnu.

    • @Mooseman327
      @Mooseman327 3 роки тому +98

      Mahavishnu blew everyone away. The promoters, wanting to introduce Mahavishnu to rock audiences, had them open for the best of the bands of the time (Zappa, Garcia, the Allman Brothers) and, pretty quickly, no one wanted to follow them. The headliners often got booed (even Zappa) and when they opened in Boston for The Jerry Garcia Band in 1971, half the audience walked out on Garcia. I know because I was one of them. Fortunately, word of mouth led to them heading their own shows and the rest is history.

    • @JoryGKenneth
      @JoryGKenneth 3 роки тому +8

      this is what zappa's drummers thought about the mahavishnu orchestra - you'll have to search for it here ... but it's absolutely worth it ua-cam.com/video/xGeZGrJ1ICQ/v-deo.html

    • @russl9029
      @russl9029 3 роки тому +46

      @@Mooseman327 how could you walk out on Garcia?

    • @gillan5
      @gillan5 3 роки тому +27

      So what? I never liked that weirdo music of Zappa. Mahavishnu is the real deal.

  • @johnnylilja3687
    @johnnylilja3687 11 місяців тому +144

    It was a turning point for me at 71-72. Beatles had quit, Hendrix died. New exciting music emerged, Mahavishnu, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Pink Floyd made Meddle, Yes made Close to the Edge. Amazing musicm We were so spoiled a few years with all the good albums from these groups.

  • @buzzkemper
    @buzzkemper Рік тому +239

    When I was a senior in high school, our art teacher allowed us to bring in records to play during class. My classmates brought in Bob Dylan, Three Dog Night, Don McLean, etc. I brought in Birds of Fire. Many of my classmates thought I was nuts, but a few really liked it; most of them had no idea music like this existed. I still enjoy this band today.

    • @pauljordan4452
      @pauljordan4452 Рік тому +8

      When I was in 9th grade, our mathematics teacher allowed a CD to be brought in to listen to during the weekly 90 minute class - classes were 50 minutes usually.
      Most of the soundtrack was rubbish. You had great taste compared to my classmates.

    • @timmy707707
      @timmy707707 Рік тому +16

      Our Jazz Band teacher pretty much made Birds of Fire and The first Billy Cobham record required listening. He was only a few years older than some of us and had played awesome sax in touring bands...he was quite the fusion fan. have to thank him for turning me onto this whole musical direction.

    • @carlostropadesousa5893
      @carlostropadesousa5893 Рік тому +3

      Razão da evidência desta banda: eram TODOS muito bons …
      Razão da dissolução desta banda: eram TODOS demasiado bons.
      Mas, reparo , só há 2 músicos que tocavam sempre: o incrível baterista, Cobham, e o “apagado” baixista, Laird, cuja noção de tempos ainda hoje tenho dificuldade em reproduzir. Por isso dizer “apagado “ é dizer que nos deixamos ofuscar pelo brilho das superestrelas, que nunca aceitariam um músico menor no controle dos tempos…

    • @stanmccray4361
      @stanmccray4361 11 місяців тому +2

      I was a sophomore or junior in college when I first saw the Orchestra. I couldn't listen to my favorite "other, regular music' for about a week!

    • @toughenupfluffy7294
      @toughenupfluffy7294 11 місяців тому +5

      Birds of Fire is a rough one to start out with, but it's rotally amazing once you get it.

  • @toughenupfluffy7294
    @toughenupfluffy7294 11 місяців тому +115

    Billy Cobham blows away all competition. I've seen him at this energy level non stop for two friggin hours. He's a monster.

    • @starboy1100
      @starboy1100 9 місяців тому +5

      Cobham is the absolute best. Hands down. It’s uncanny how he lays down the rhythm in complete step with the other instruments.

    • @martinriewski4946
      @martinriewski4946 9 місяців тому +1

      Cobham was really monstrous on McCoy Tyner's Fly Like The Wind.

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin 7 місяців тому +2

      I saw him live a few months ago and he still has it.

    • @kevenreynolds333
      @kevenreynolds333 7 місяців тому +2

      don't forget Lenny White He's a monster too...Return to Forever rocked it !!!

    • @auryconceicao2630
      @auryconceicao2630 2 місяці тому

      Rayford Griffin (Jean Luc Poty)

  • @hugoruda9049
    @hugoruda9049 3 роки тому +232

    Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return to Forever, and Weather Report were the giants of fusion

    • @deannewberry8219
      @deannewberry8219 3 роки тому +5

      '' please don't ever forget MICHAEL URBANIAK '' S FUSION !!! FUSION IS A EUROPEAN THING ... ALWAYS WAS & WILL BE ... FACE IT ''

    • @evanboothe5649
      @evanboothe5649 3 роки тому +6

      I believe you’re forgetting the Electrik Band and the Pat Metheny Group.

    • @mikecimerian6913
      @mikecimerian6913 3 роки тому +6

      Vision of The Emerald Beyond, Birds of Fire and Apocalypse. My teen years.

    • @josemiguelpallaresdiaz2054
      @josemiguelpallaresdiaz2054 3 роки тому +14

      inventada por Miles Davis: In a Silent Way, Bitches Brew, Live Evil

    • @dondrysdale7297
      @dondrysdale7297 3 роки тому +6

      yes, and you could still get played on a rock station with it until the tragedy of 1980.

  • @yahhearsme376
    @yahhearsme376 Рік тому +61

    I didn't realize Jan Hammer was part of the Mahavishnu Orchestra. Awesome! Jan Hammer and Jeff Beck produced some beautiful sounds together, as well.

    • @johnnylilja3687
      @johnnylilja3687 10 місяців тому +2

      Check out Hammers and Goodmans album "Like children"

    • @eroldcroft3045
      @eroldcroft3045 10 місяців тому +5

      Beck said mahavishni simplified jazz and complicated rock n roll. Add in tommy bolins influence, you have blow by blow, wired, live with the Jan hammer group and there and back. It ain't rocket science.

    • @user-wf4fv4oc1h
      @user-wf4fv4oc1h 7 місяців тому +1

      Jeff Beck wanted to get in on the new fire. So he got Vishnu Drummer Narada and Jan Hammer. Those are his best albums - Blow by Blow, Wired and There and Back. Insane.

  • @KitLaughlin
    @KitLaughlin 3 роки тому +35

    Billy Cobham: the greatest.

    • @grokeffer6226
      @grokeffer6226 Рік тому

      He's on tour. You might want to see if he's playing near you some place. I'm going to try to see him in a couple of months.

    • @problemchimp4231
      @problemchimp4231 17 днів тому +1

      Never a greatest...you know that.

    • @KitLaughlin
      @KitLaughlin 17 днів тому

      @@problemchimp4231 OK; agree. Truly great, then. :)

    • @demultiplexeur2
      @demultiplexeur2 8 днів тому

      John Mac Laughlin is the greatest.

  • @DrummerDanVa
    @DrummerDanVa Рік тому +71

    It is amazing to think this is over 50 years old. I am glad I was alive during this period of music.

    • @fueledbylove
      @fueledbylove Рік тому +1

      Me too, but 50 years used to seem a lot longer!

    • @gregparrott
      @gregparrott 10 місяців тому +1

      I bet your glad to still be alive in time to post your comment just 2 months ago.
      So am I, as this music was part of my youth a half century ago.

    • @Heisenbergfamm
      @Heisenbergfamm 4 місяці тому +1

      I wish I was. But no… I was born in 2008. 40 years after what is currently my favorite era of music.

  • @WilliamEPoole
    @WilliamEPoole 9 років тому +881

    One of the greatest bands ever formed.

    • @KareemPilot
      @KareemPilot 8 років тому +39

      +William E. Poole Yup. Just an absurd level of ability and vision. McLaughlin is one of the most original, inimitable guitarists that ever lived and he could not have found more ideal bandmates, especially Cobham who best understood his lightning intensity

    • @WilliamEPoole
      @WilliamEPoole 8 років тому +36

      +Clogg I saw both formations of The Mahavishnu Orchestra and the original lineup was far superior. That's not to say the second group was less talented but when you have people like Cobham, Goodman, Hammer & Laird, the choice is obvious!

    • @KareemPilot
      @KareemPilot 8 років тому +15

      Definitely agree. The second one was obviously a highly skilled group and Michael Walden's crazed Keith-Moon-With-Jazz-Chops sound was definitely a lot of fun to listen to but the first group was a tighter unit with a more cohesive vision. They were definitely locked in.

    • @modalbackingtracks7546
      @modalbackingtracks7546 8 років тому +3

      +William E. Poole don t agree , the quality of the music is really higher on apocalypse and visions .

    • @KareemPilot
      @KareemPilot 8 років тому +4

      Just don't see it, but to each his own. Not that I don't like that stuff, too, mind you

  • @savageminstrel
    @savageminstrel 11 років тому +287

    When I was a kid in the 70's this band blew me away, it is definitely a jazz/raga fusion band. McLaughlin took Indian raga rhythms and structure and applied it to his jazz. The repeating phrase throughout the piece is typical of Indian ragas where each member took a turn playing variations, until in the end it reaches a crescendo where they all play the phrase together. I love this stuff.

    • @dondrysdale7297
      @dondrysdale7297 3 роки тому +13

      yes--it is also what was know as jazz/rock fusion, which John was part of the crowd that had worked with Milles Davis, and they started the scene because they were disillusioned with were jazz was heading then.

    • @RicardoMartinez-oh9sq
      @RicardoMartinez-oh9sq 3 роки тому +17

      Good analysis. This is indeed modal, not tonal, music. "Mode" being a group of notes making scales that, unlike during a harmonic progression, do not go back to a "tonic," or tonal center. Very refreshing not to listen to tonal music all the time. Weather Report's was also modal music, and so was Soft Machine's.

    • @Methilde
      @Methilde 2 роки тому +5

      @@RicardoMartinez-oh9sq My favorits Jazz Rock bands with Miles Davis, and weather Report, Soft Machine, saw them all in Paris and couldn't make a ranking.

    • @deannewberry8219
      @deannewberry8219 2 роки тому +1

      MICHAEL WALDEN EARLY 1974 ... KALAMAZOO MICH. .... GOOD FRIEND '' ... '' NATIVE AMERICAN '' ... NICEST GUY .... NOW PLAYING W/ are you ready ? .... '' JOURNEY '' ...... ouch !!

    • @jackarcher7495
      @jackarcher7495 2 роки тому +2

      Spot on, savageminstrel. My gosh, I loved those records back then. It still sounds great to me, if I listen with different ears now.

  • @GodsUnrulyFriends
    @GodsUnrulyFriends 3 роки тому +214

    I first heard Mahavishnu Orchestra in 1975. I haven't recovered. These guys took music to another level.

    • @63Baggies
      @63Baggies 2 роки тому +9

      Another solar system....

    • @1NcognitoXx
      @1NcognitoXx 2 роки тому +7

      Im first hearing them now. Its like its not only music but an endlessly intricate demonstration of the capabilities of each instrument... its a tough one to explain. Like each one is out on display for us to experience separately, yet all together at once.

    • @madjackblack5892
      @madjackblack5892 2 роки тому +6

      I bought Birds of Fire back then on vinyl. Blew me away and I've been hooked since.

    • @christinaneugebauer5559
      @christinaneugebauer5559 Рік тому +1

      Indeed 🌺🙏🏼 experinced him in Copenhagen in 1975,and it was mindblowing,nothing less.But with Jean Luc Ponty on the violin.❤️

    • @chumbels
      @chumbels Рік тому

      Birds of fire. Superhuman gods...

  • @ianedmonds9191
    @ianedmonds9191 2 роки тому +168

    The Drummer is amazing - He reacts to the improvisations amazingly quickly.
    Top job him.
    Luv and Peace.

    • @newagain9964
      @newagain9964 2 роки тому +51

      Billy Cobham. Jeff Beck called him the best drummer he ever heard. And actually declined working with him “I’m not up to that standard.”

    • @MrGiorgioud
      @MrGiorgioud 2 роки тому +33

      For a period in the mid-1970s to the mid-1980s Billy Cobham was regarded as the best drummer in the world. Now you know why...

    • @paullevine1813
      @paullevine1813 Рік тому +24

      @@MrGiorgioud He still is & those of us that know who he is already know this.

    • @jackwezesa1081
      @jackwezesa1081 Рік тому +5

      Billy Cobham .

    • @mariacarvalho7260
      @mariacarvalho7260 Рік тому +3

      I had the privilege to attend his concert in Lisbon in last May. Pure magic!!🥁🥁🥁🎵🎼

  • @VideoMask93
    @VideoMask93 12 років тому +180

    MacLaughlin's playing under the violin solo may be one of the coolest solo accompaniments I've ever heard.

    • @stettan1
      @stettan1 2 роки тому +2

      His comping of Miles' solo on Right Off, from the Jack Johnson album, is also very very cool

    • @Watersnake777
      @Watersnake777 Рік тому +1

      That guitar weighed over 30 pounds, 100 pounds with the hard case. Built in preamp and everything. He didn't carry it around for looks.

  • @freddiesoverbite6162
    @freddiesoverbite6162 2 роки тому +27

    I remember when I was 18 a friend of mine brought me inner mounting flame and birds of fire. He said “ I bet you’ll like this” . He was wrong… not only did I like it… it essentially changed my whole life.

  • @sallyainsworth6799
    @sallyainsworth6799 3 роки тому +105

    That is one of the greatest performances I've ever seen. I'm in shock.

    • @RedWingFlyer
      @RedWingFlyer 2 роки тому +4

      There is a live concert LP from Central Park, NYC, called Between Nothingness And Eternity. In my opinion, the best live album I've ever heard.

    • @marklfazey9705
      @marklfazey9705 2 роки тому

      Well @ Sally Ainsworth , no be in shock ,
      This is what’s possible, as you appreciate this I need your phone number and we can intellectualise about this subject Hahahaha
      Bless x .

    • @Mooseman327
      @Mooseman327 Рік тому +2

      I saw them live in Symphony Hall in Boston right around this time, early 1972. Just a wonderful experience. You should hear the power of Cobham's drumming live.

    • @johnmalenchek6597
      @johnmalenchek6597 Місяць тому

      Saw this band live more than fifty years ago. My hearing still bears the scars and my mind is still blown. All hail Mahavishnu

  • @ellisweiner6405
    @ellisweiner6405 7 місяців тому +7

    Goodman is a master. Jean Luc Ponty, okay. This is transcendent. Cobham...I'm speechless.

    • @edtaskin4117
      @edtaskin4117 5 місяців тому

      Jean-Luc Ponty isn't in this video, the violinist is Jerry Goodman.

  • @davidevans3175
    @davidevans3175 7 років тому +140

    It was a mind fuck in 1972, believe me.

    • @ClarenceHW
      @ClarenceHW 7 років тому +20

      David.... indeed it was, I saw them at my high school auditorium, had graduated 4 years earlier and was in music school. I could only take about 2/3 of the concert, top of head was ready to explode. Didn't touch an instrument for a week.

    • @dennymcfastlane8530
      @dennymcfastlane8530 7 років тому

      Yes indeed, first witnessed Live in 72'--A wonderfully wICkEd Concert!!!

    • @dan0711123
      @dan0711123 7 років тому

      I believe

    • @kevgh3869
      @kevgh3869 7 років тому +13

      The Great Pat Metheny seeing them for the first time in the 70's 'couldn't believe a band like this actually existed'.

    • @metal666shark
      @metal666shark 7 років тому +2

      still is

  • @tejkarangehlot4741
    @tejkarangehlot4741 2 роки тому +9

    Ok .. mahavishnu orchestra.. name adopt from lord vishnu..
    Love from 🇮🇳

  • @aliensporebomb
    @aliensporebomb 4 роки тому +30

    McLaughlin - one of the rare breed of musicians who actually used the 12-string neck on his doubleneck. It wasn't for looks. What a terrific band and a great performance.

    • @tagadabrothersband
      @tagadabrothersband 11 місяців тому

      Wich famous guitarist used a doubleneck just for the 6-string neck ?

    • @adityaroy7616
      @adityaroy7616 10 місяців тому +1

      @@tagadabrothersband Jimmy Page tbf

  • @josephobenauer3093
    @josephobenauer3093 6 років тому +111

    This great band inspired me to carve wood. I sucked as a guitarist. Love the Mahavishnu.

    • @alcoholya
      @alcoholya 5 років тому +21

      cool man.. they inspired me to make my own home made dildos. I suck at guitar too!

  • @brianalston8309
    @brianalston8309 11 років тому +117

    This is what's called fusion. It's jazz and rock beautifully blended together by extraordinary jazz artist.

    • @dondrysdale7297
      @dondrysdale7297 3 роки тому +5

      ya, thanks--i guess a lot of guys don't know it was John and those other guys that had worked with Miles Davis in the 60s who were disillusioned with were jazz was heading then, so they stated the fusion scene.

    • @Methilde
      @Methilde 2 роки тому

      In France, e just call it jazz rock and few people love it.

    • @SvenTviking
      @SvenTviking 2 роки тому +3

      It’s self indulgent noodling.

    • @turntogod4410
      @turntogod4410 2 роки тому +8

      @@SvenTviking if it's just self indulging noodling produce a piece like it

    • @crungefactory
      @crungefactory 2 роки тому +10

      @@SvenTviking yes, your statement is self indulgent noodling

  • @tunjilardner5784
    @tunjilardner5784 10 років тому +204

    Along with Return to Forever the dual sound track to my teenage years in Lagos, Nigeria. Yeap.. you heard me Lagos, Nigeria! Billy Cobham is well, BILLY COBHAM! Incredible music... nothing quite like it these days.

    • @Mynamesalexa
      @Mynamesalexa 5 років тому +4

      Paul McCartney recording Band on the Run there in Lagos Nigeria

    • @jasonwhalen6264
      @jasonwhalen6264 5 років тому +9

      What I wouldn't give for one night of live music in 1960s/70s Lagos. Were you around during the Fela years?

    • @martinbe5111
      @martinbe5111 5 років тому +6

      Missing weather report

    • @chrissquire8542
      @chrissquire8542 4 роки тому +6

      ... Rainbow in London, 1980; Cobham, McLaughlin, and Jack Bruce together. Wow....

    • @arthurpay2619
      @arthurpay2619 3 роки тому +4

      Of course Billy’ is over the top! Fuck!

  • @crab-dogjones4659
    @crab-dogjones4659 5 років тому +133

    One of the few players for whom the double neck guitar is more than a gimmick.

    • @Br0ccoliface
      @Br0ccoliface 4 роки тому +2

      i’m uninitiated, what purpose does it serve

    • @crab-dogjones4659
      @crab-dogjones4659 4 роки тому +28

      @@Br0ccoliface In this case it lets him switch between 12 string guitar and 6 string guitar on the fly. For a lot of folks that would be pretty frivolous but he makes good use of both textures.

    • @dondrysdale7297
      @dondrysdale7297 3 роки тому +6

      that's because they were just as much a jazz band as rock, in which you have to know what your doing all the way around.

    • @thatmatt41
      @thatmatt41 3 роки тому +13

      I'd argue that most musicians that used double necks had good reason to? Page, Lifeson, Lee, Rutherford, Slash? All of them had practical uses for double necks. The only musician I can think that actually uses one exclusively as a gimmick is Rick Neilsen.

    • @markusantonio4866
      @markusantonio4866 3 роки тому +7

      John played that double neck with control like a Beastmaster.

  • @willem9688
    @willem9688 Рік тому +65

    Damn, first time in my life the drummer gives me goosebumps. So relaxed yet so powerful. What a great band.

    • @tripdjoint
      @tripdjoint Рік тому +1

      You can never do it like a black man do it.

    • @marshalbird7321
      @marshalbird7321 Рік тому +7

      Billy Cobham is one of the greatest! drummers ever!!!

    • @Yngsatchvai
      @Yngsatchvai Рік тому +1

      DAVE Weckl did same thing for me.
      He and chick corea and frank gamble. Amazing drummer!!

    • @willem9688
      @willem9688 Рік тому

      @@Yngsatchvai Cool, I'll check it out, thanks.

    • @Yngsatchvai
      @Yngsatchvai Рік тому

      @@willem9688 ua-cam.com/video/IWBkVucVMCY/v-deo.html

  • @johnculbreth4543
    @johnculbreth4543 Рік тому +17

    Billy Cobham is unreal in this performance!

  • @melodymakermark
    @melodymakermark Рік тому +28

    I saw Jeff Beck’s live version of this (You know, you know) in 2019, with Jeff, Rhonda and Vinnie all taking a solo. Fantastic performance.
    As for this vid, Billy was an unbelievable drummer. The SPEED he displays at times is jaw dropping.

    • @pauljordan4452
      @pauljordan4452 Рік тому

      My former neighbour was also Rhonda. Psychotherapist and jazz bassist for decades. She loved Return to Forever.

    • @yellodread
      @yellodread Рік тому +2

      Billy Cobham is a living legend. I was lucky enough to have toured with him in Turkey and Cyprus as a percussionist in one of the opening bands. The greatest thrill came not from playing before crowds of people in exotic paces, but watching him perform night after night after night. He and his band almost never repeated a playlist and his drum solos were musical universes of their own. Meeting him I saw that for such a powerful, talented, accomplished and experienced man, he was extremely humble and treated everyone around him with deep respect and kindness. His band had nothing but great things to say about him. An incredible musician and an incredible human being.

  • @geoffmerrill164
    @geoffmerrill164 4 роки тому +11

    Saw Mahavishnu Orchestra in Madison WI, in the Stock Pavilion, with a friend in spring of '73 or so. Tripping. (Which was rather besides the point, with these guys, actually.) Walking back home we looked at each other and said, 'Now they're going to ask us how it was.' We smiled, and knew in that instant the meaning of 'beyond words.'

  • @desmondpitoyi4250
    @desmondpitoyi4250 3 роки тому +26

    I grew up with this music. My late uncle (may his soul rest in grace) used to make me listen to it. As a nine‐year‐old, I had no clue what was going on. But now I've been well‐schooled and attuned... I'm now in the know! Thanks to you, uncle!

    • @JDODSON7
      @JDODSON7 2 роки тому +6

      We're all just trying to catch up, man. That's what life's about.

    • @AxiomApe
      @AxiomApe 2 роки тому +3

      @@JDODSON7 Well said ✌

  • @SpringoStar
    @SpringoStar 3 роки тому +4

    Jerry Goodman...Ah, One my my favorite Violin Gods as a fiddler... :)

  • @gregoryhillis3420
    @gregoryhillis3420 Рік тому +31

    I went to an Emerson Lake & Palmer concert at the Winterland Ballroom in San Francisco in March of 1972, and the Mahavishnu Orchestra opened for them. I had never heard of John McLaughlin or any of the other musicians. Their set was unreal, unlike anything I had ever experienced. They blew ELP off the stage.

    • @larkstonguesinaspic4814
      @larkstonguesinaspic4814 9 місяців тому

      It's so awesome you had the experience of seeing them in those years. How did the ELP crowd react? Were they totally blown away?

    • @gregoryhillis3420
      @gregoryhillis3420 9 місяців тому +4

      @@larkstonguesinaspic4814 it's been 50 years so I don't remember everything too clearly lol. My sense is that some were impatient to hear ELP, but that most of the audience were stunned by the Mahavishnu set, which was like a revelation.

    • @artsnips9186
      @artsnips9186 8 місяців тому +3

      I was at that show. I was a year out of high school. My older brother had hipped me to them. So out comes this guy in a white suit, short hair and a double neck guitar. Then the hammer came down. The crowd didn't know what hit them. Cobham had people shaking their heads. Indeed, I'm sure ELP must have been thinking, "Oh, shit"...

    • @gregoryhillis3420
      @gregoryhillis3420 8 місяців тому +2

      @@artsnips9186 haha that matches my recollection exactly!

    • @richardboettger6761
      @richardboettger6761 5 місяців тому

      Two very different interpretations of other musical styles.
      I have been a fan of both bands my entire life, but it's hard to compare the raw explosive jazz of mahavishnu with a classical stylings of ELP.

  • @kennseidelin4166
    @kennseidelin4166 Рік тому +23

    Billy Cobham shows What it means to play drums.Beautifully 👍

    • @nmeau
      @nmeau 11 місяців тому

      Amazing how he carries and reflects the other soloists all through

    • @user-wf4fv4oc1h
      @user-wf4fv4oc1h 7 місяців тому

      Cobham is my fave. He plays so well with melody and listens so well to others. I learned so much from him. I have met him a couple of times and he is a total gentleman. Billy is tops. Jerry played with my brother on his album and was also a total gentleman. God Bless them all.

  • @lucguenette7534
    @lucguenette7534 Рік тому +2

    I was sixteen when introduced to this, now 65 and still facinated by this, ok , sti...

  • @dsnodgrass4843
    @dsnodgrass4843 6 років тому +140

    I stan for Rick Laird as Most Patient Bass Player of All Time.

    • @manlypedro75
      @manlypedro75 5 років тому +5

      LOL

    • @garyl8356
      @garyl8356 3 роки тому +1

      Well I don't listen to John for the bass solo!

    • @lundkd10
      @lundkd10 3 роки тому +7

      Ok as a bass player guy I find this comment totally funny!

    • @dsnodgrass4843
      @dsnodgrass4843 3 роки тому +5

      @M T If you think that's all that the term "patient" encompasses, that says far more about you than me. Couple that with your strange aggression in trying to "jazzsplain" Mahavishnu to me, who's actually played the stuff before; makes me real glad i don't have to "perform in a group improvisational situation" with you, and makes me pity the musicians that do.

    • @dsnodgrass4843
      @dsnodgrass4843 3 роки тому +14

      @@lundkd10 It's meant fondly. I play bass behind a couple virtuoso folks myself, so I relate a lot to what Rick did; holding the song together as all that accumulated brilliance swirled around him. I try to emulate that all the time.

  • @ceepatton7172
    @ceepatton7172 7 років тому +190

    why is this band not in the r&r hall of fame is beyond belief. They are all virturos. They cook. And Cobham caught his drumstick.

    • @timmullins995
      @timmullins995 7 років тому +24

      For the same reason that most of the great, underground supergroups of the era haven't made it in yet. Not enough play time on the AM radio.

    • @flame-sky7148
      @flame-sky7148 7 років тому +17

      Its amazing isn't it. I find it ironic that Mahavishnu has more live shows on Wolfgang's Vault Concert page than any other rock band from Bill Graham's collection.

    • @namebrandmason
      @namebrandmason 6 років тому +23

      I’d like the answer to be “because they aren’t a rock band,” but Public Enemy is in said hall of fame.
      I wish McLaughlin, Cobham & co all the praise they can get, but the RnR Hall of Fame has rapidly become less a museum then a tourist trap.

    • @jamescourier1545
      @jamescourier1545 5 років тому +30

      That hall of fame is SHIT. That's why. Far too many politics involved......

    • @jeepercreepers54
      @jeepercreepers54 5 років тому +5

      @@jamescourier1545, agreed. They made a mockery of themselves. How do you do that?

  • @danno9608
    @danno9608 2 роки тому +8

    Johnny Mac is 80 years young today! Happy Birthday to one of the greatest guitar players to ever walk this planet!

    • @batmanjones5202
      @batmanjones5202 Місяць тому +1

      Very likely the best electric guitar player ever, The great Jeff Beck said so. Therefore, it's true.

    • @srimaddukuri
      @srimaddukuri Місяць тому

      IMO, the single greatest - acoustic or electric.

  • @TheHouseofKushTV
    @TheHouseofKushTV Місяць тому +1

    I've always been struck by how ludicrous Billy Cobham's economy of movement is. No matter how frenetic his playing, his hips and abdomen barely ever move, and his head is generally floating calmly in space, while his arms are swinging around in a blur that is both manic and extremely precise. The thoroughness of control and the constant rapid interplay of force and finesse... this music isn't really my jam, but it's a marvel to behold, and it's incredibly inspiring to witness this level of playing.

  • @haroldwyant6074
    @haroldwyant6074 3 роки тому +16

    Saw Mahavisnu open for Frank Zappa right after campus shootings. The Orchestra blew all the naysayers away. Folks left when Zappa came on. KENT STATE was never the same

  • @teddavidcompositions3744
    @teddavidcompositions3744 11 місяців тому +11

    Another 1970s band with Billy Cobham that still blows me away is Dreams. Their first, self-titled album is amazing.

  • @luckyphilable
    @luckyphilable 2 роки тому +16

    RIP Rick Laird legendary bass player.

  • @garykay7418
    @garykay7418 3 роки тому +21

    there was never another fusion band like these guys.

  • @horatiotrismegistus616
    @horatiotrismegistus616 8 років тому +59

    Thank you, Universe.
    Thank you, Infinity.
    Thank You All.

  • @kengihepworth5761
    @kengihepworth5761 5 років тому +379

    If more people smoked good clean outdoor pot, we'd still have musicians like this.

    • @adminstrativeuser8930
      @adminstrativeuser8930 5 років тому +18

      People who ignore current media

    • @cbh440
      @cbh440 3 роки тому +8

      I was stunned to find out that Buddy Rich smoked pot.

    • @loveone4292
      @loveone4292 3 роки тому +2

      Absolutely

    • @whatdothlife4660
      @whatdothlife4660 3 роки тому +19

      You forgot to mention no cell phones in the audience for turbo karma.

    • @357CLOUDY
      @357CLOUDY 3 роки тому +3

      Sounds like a good idea!

  • @matthewJ142
    @matthewJ142 3 роки тому +16

    DiMeola, McLaughlin, Lifeson, Santana, May. The greatest guitarists still alive right now. I swear I saw John on the subway once but was in such awe of him I didn't want to bother him. Never knowing if he probably was coming up with something in his head!🤪

    • @matthewJ142
      @matthewJ142 2 роки тому +1

      @Andy Butler I personally prefer Martin Barre of Jethro Tull but Brian has soul and he is in my top ten along with David Gilmour and Gary Moore and Clapton

    • @davecummings2424
      @davecummings2424 Рік тому +2

      Santana & McLaughlin are probably my favorite guitarists. McLaughlin, Al DeMeola, and Paco de Lucia have a great album called "Saturday Night in San Francisco".

  • @jazz4asahel
    @jazz4asahel 2 роки тому +6

    I saw The Mahavishnu Orchestra live at Bowdoin College, Brunswick, Maine, ca. 1974. John asked for a bit of silence before beginning the set. In which the sensation that the seats and everything in the house were rising up and moving through space. We all came down fifteen seconds later and the music began.

  • @univibe23
    @univibe23 8 років тому +107

    They're all such amazing musicians but that drummer is Crazy Good!!!!

    • @evergreengunnut1621
      @evergreengunnut1621 7 років тому +30

      That's Billy Cobham

    • @aidanschram9652
      @aidanschram9652 4 роки тому +20

      "That drummer"

    • @dondrysdale7297
      @dondrysdale7297 3 роки тому +1

      there is one story of him when he was still in the army, and one Friday he was woodshedding in a room that he got locked in by accident for the weekend, and he had got called AWOL before Monday. if you were as dedicated as he, which is what it takes, stuff like that can happen.

    • @aquamarine99911
      @aquamarine99911 2 роки тому +10

      @@evergreengunnut1621 I think you meant to say "That's Billy f'n Cobham".

    • @Methilde
      @Methilde 2 роки тому +2

      @@aidanschram9652 My favorite one with Robert Wyatt.

  • @jimroche4109
    @jimroche4109 2 роки тому +5

    During the Vietnam war the band played on the Boston common, it was a tumultuous time in the city. For a few hours they brought their magic and the city was at peace.

    • @electrolytics
      @electrolytics Рік тому

      I would say it was tumultuous time in Vietnam. I'm so glad that the students and other riff raff in Boston found a brief moment of peace. It must have been so horrible for them there in the Boston Commons.

  • @carle5997
    @carle5997 2 роки тому +12

    Rip Rick mahavishnu orchestra forever

  • @miltonkeynes3090
    @miltonkeynes3090 9 місяців тому +2

    Billy Cobham. Wow. That guy is awesome.

  • @jamespayne5188
    @jamespayne5188 7 років тому +47

    This band changed my musical life back in the early 70s. Still sounds amazing today.

    • @grantjohnson7129
      @grantjohnson7129 4 роки тому +2

      I agree with what you said two years ago and you probably haven't changed your mind, so I guess the tragedy is we'll never meet.

    • @dondrysdale7297
      @dondrysdale7297 3 роки тому +1

      thanks--i first heard them in the early 80s, and they began a musical quest for me unlike anyone else.

  • @COTG666
    @COTG666 2 роки тому +30

    I remember when I first heard them in the 70s. I didn't think it was possible that mere mortals could do this. Then I realized they were not mere mortals, they are legends.

  • @jjpopnfresh6822
    @jjpopnfresh6822 Рік тому +6

    Billy's open hand technique flows so effortlessly

    • @DrJ-hx7wv
      @DrJ-hx7wv Рік тому

      He's a lefty, I think.

  • @richierich8412
    @richierich8412 3 роки тому +6

    Drum Solo: Hypnotic!

  • @FusionHowie
    @FusionHowie 6 років тому +60

    I spooge on my screen every time I hear Jan Hammers Moog solo, like hearing Holdsworth! Hits a spot deep in my spine....

  • @charleswinokoor6023
    @charleswinokoor6023 2 роки тому +4

    I saw them about 10 times when I was in high school and shortly thereafter.
    The latter part of ‘72 was their best period.
    By mid ‘73 the thrill was gone.

  • @FrankMarcianoHoboken
    @FrankMarcianoHoboken 8 місяців тому +1

    Seton Hall Prep, 1972 NJ senior year, coolest guy at the school turned me on the Inner Mounting Flame, didn't like it then, but over the years it haunted me to become one of my favorite works of art, just so great to actually see the musicians play the instruments. Love it !!!

  • @johnb.3476
    @johnb.3476 2 роки тому +2

    I just got turned on to this band today. Oh my! So much! Billy Cobham blows my mind!

  • @wanderowa
    @wanderowa 6 років тому +5

    During that violin solo my tears came out...

  • @graemeheape2679
    @graemeheape2679 3 роки тому +14

    They don’t make bands like this any more Billy Cobham on drums a genius

  • @jeffglazer5418
    @jeffglazer5418 Рік тому +2

    I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL WITH JERRY GOODMAN. HE IS A VIRTUOSO OF THE VIOLIN!

  • @sammy2840
    @sammy2840 3 роки тому +22

    Saw them in '73 in Iowa City at the Field House. Was a music major and these guys blew my mind. This square looking dude walked on stage in all white (short hair) with a double neck and lit it on fire! I swear he told Cobham to play the drums as fast as you can and I will keep up on the guitar! Awesome. John also played guitar on Miles "Bitches Brew" album...the best Jazz album of all time in my opinion! If Miles picked him...he had to be the best!

    • @SuperAllanjames
      @SuperAllanjames 3 роки тому +1

      Check out "Extrapolation" from before McLaughlin joined the Miles Davis crew. John McL' + Saxophonist John Surman.

    • @deannewberry8219
      @deannewberry8219 3 роки тому +2

      '' I Saw the last minute , last u.s. show .. DEC. 30 1973 ... DETROIT '' .. the audience ... almost had a stunned feel '' .. as they were exiting .. like they just musically .. GOT THERE ASS KICKED '' !! ... '' SO COOL '' ......

    • @jeffreynolin9339
      @jeffreynolin9339 2 роки тому +1

      @@deannewberry8219 I saw them (and God) at Ford Auditorium in ‘72.

    • @deannewberry8219
      @deannewberry8219 2 роки тому +1

      @@jeffreynolin9339 '' I'M VERY JEALOUS ''... I KNOW , I KNOW IT WAS GREAT '' !!!

    • @deannewberry8219
      @deannewberry8219 2 роки тому

      John & Billy got along at first ... but as time went on ... just a rumor I heard '' .... may not be true .... I don't know ''

  • @albdoce
    @albdoce 12 років тому +10

    The best power group EVER assembled!

  • @iga279
    @iga279 3 роки тому +42

    Brilliant team of musicians, every single one of them.

  • @ralfschabatka6468
    @ralfschabatka6468 3 роки тому +5

    Best drummer in history

  • @StellarFella
    @StellarFella 5 років тому +6

    Saw this band in June of 72. They opened for Led Zepplin with Emerson, Lake & Palmer being the third act. What a concert!

    • @XanAxDdu
      @XanAxDdu 5 років тому

      e la madonna.....!

    • @mikehinterschied
      @mikehinterschied Рік тому +2

      Man! What a show that must have been.

    • @StellarFella
      @StellarFella Рік тому +1

      @@mikehinterschied It was in the old Long Beach Auditorium? It was with steep seats and with balconies. Lots of wood.

    • @srimaddukuri
      @srimaddukuri Місяць тому

      RIP USA…

  • @WilliamWilsonEgoliGolf
    @WilliamWilsonEgoliGolf 6 років тому +22

    William Emanuel Cobham Jnr. - my favourite drummer ever!!!

    • @dondrysdale7297
      @dondrysdale7297 3 роки тому

      one story he has: he was woodshedding one Friday when he was still in the Army, and he got accidently locked in the room. he was called AWOL until Monday.

    • @mainzergirl9610
      @mainzergirl9610 3 роки тому +3

      Absolutely killer drummer. Magical.

  • @chuckufarley1343
    @chuckufarley1343 Рік тому +3

    Billy Cobham. BEST. DRUMMER. EVER!

  • @newellbate
    @newellbate 7 місяців тому +1

    Long live this bands music. Remember The Flock.

  • @ianedmonds9191
    @ianedmonds9191 3 роки тому +19

    The chops on display here are "give up your chosen instrument for good." Jan Hammer never fails to amaze me with his expression on synth and he really sets the bar for any soloist on keyboard.
    John McLaughlin is my god tier inspiration both as a guitarist and as a person.
    Don't know the violin guy but he's crazy talented. As is the bassist and Drummer.
    Just an amazingly talented set of people playing together really really well. No egos. Just amazing music.
    Luv and Peace.

    • @s6y9l
      @s6y9l 2 роки тому +4

      Violin guy, Jerry Goodman, bassist, Rick Laird, drummer, Billy Cobham

    • @troyjones2358
      @troyjones2358 2 роки тому +4

      Why give up your instrument? Just practice.

    • @RicardoMunoz-sj3gn
      @RicardoMunoz-sj3gn 2 роки тому

      Hablo español mi amiga fue em Argentina trajo El disco bellissimo buenisimo hoy vivo en italia

    • @RicardoMunoz-sj3gn
      @RicardoMunoz-sj3gn 2 роки тому

      Grande jam hammer

    • @ianedmonds9191
      @ianedmonds9191 2 роки тому

      @@troyjones2358 It was a bit of Hyperbole but yes agree. Stages of seeing Instrument gurus: Despair, Interest, Inspiration, Practice.
      Great point.
      Luv and Peace. (And Practice. :-)

  • @chicmim
    @chicmim 7 років тому +12

    Jerry Goodman was a former member of the Flock. Awesome.

  • @johnmochan2321
    @johnmochan2321 Рік тому +6

    Look into Mr John Mcloughlin eyes with Jerry Goodman's intro and Billy's percussion WTF for me i cried still do .All of them so respectful of each other truly a rare example of true musicianship. I feel very fortunate of sharing this line up twice wow.

  • @Razzjenk
    @Razzjenk 3 роки тому +2

    What a time warp. I loved Inner Mounting Flame and so much about Mahhavishnu John McLaughlin, Billy Cobham (!) and Jan Hammer.

  • @Mikex0123
    @Mikex0123 5 років тому +20

    Nice performance by all of them. Billy Cobham is amazing at the end.

  • @AdrianPaco
    @AdrianPaco 6 років тому +25

    This is an epic fact in the history of the music. It's so beautiful and powerful.

  • @danruetenik3583
    @danruetenik3583 3 роки тому +10

    I bought my Fibes kit 40 years ago and still playing them...They sound great

  • @garysangiacomo8016
    @garysangiacomo8016 10 місяців тому +1

    I have been listening to Mahavishnu since 1971

  • @TruthSurge
    @TruthSurge 6 років тому +535

    Jesus on violin? That's not fair! Of COURSE he's going to be good.

    • @poliare6
      @poliare6 5 років тому +1

      😅

    • @woukystam7710
      @woukystam7710 5 років тому +10

      TruthSurge You are a jesus with that beard Listen to THE FLOCK

    • @1okanaganguy
      @1okanaganguy 5 років тому +1

      I know! Not fair.

    • @zeekanyc
      @zeekanyc 5 років тому

      TruthSurge 😂😂

    • @samlewis7878
      @samlewis7878 5 років тому

      OF COARES!

  • @DrummerDanVa
    @DrummerDanVa 7 років тому +24

    Seeing Mahavishnu live was one of the most amazing musical experiences I ever had. Seeing Billy Cobham behind those clear Fibes drums with his speed and power was a new experience for me at the time. I also loved Return to Forever and thought they were maybe cleaner while Mahavishnu was more power. The early 70s was a GREAT time for bands made up of REAL musicians.

  • @hihats
    @hihats 10 років тому +315

    Billy F'ing Cobham

    • @kevgh3869
      @kevgh3869 5 років тому +8

      Dude is the best drummer ever. Has some amazing albums!

    • @funkyalfonso
      @funkyalfonso 5 років тому +1

      Kev G. I guess Jimi thought so.

    • @oneworld9071
      @oneworld9071 5 років тому +3

      Bilham Cobly, indeed :) Ever hear his "Spectrum" LP?
      and to think Jan Hammer's primary instrument was drums...... talent overload.

    • @curiousnomad
      @curiousnomad 3 роки тому +2

      Amazing to think not long before this he was playing with Horace Silver.

    • @deannewberry8219
      @deannewberry8219 3 роки тому +2

      '' 250 TO 300 sit ups back stage before every show .. just to get ready ''

  • @sleuth2077
    @sleuth2077 3 роки тому +14

    The interplay bw Cobham and Goodman is such a treat to hear. This music speaks too me on so many levels.

  • @sethmoore8484
    @sethmoore8484 Рік тому +23

    This is insanely well recorded; all of the various instruments' tones come through very clearly. Thank you for uploading!

  • @ThefightingCelt
    @ThefightingCelt 8 років тому +401

    Jeff Beck insists that John McLaughlin is the greatest guitarist alive today .

    • @cbtrules
      @cbtrules 8 років тому +33

      +ThefightingCelt Interesting- almost every other guitarist thinks that Beck is the best- nice that there is so much respect.

    • @ianedmonds9191
      @ianedmonds9191 8 років тому +24

      They're my two favourite guitarists. Hard to make a choice.
      Both are so out there compared to the normal guitar sound you hear.
      I really love the expression of both of them in there own ways.
      Beyond a certain level of facility of expression there really is no best guitar player I reckon.
      Luv and Peace.
      I just thought of one thing that is common to both of them that is rare in a lot of star guitarists. They are both pretty much ego-less in the music making situation. They want the music to work and don't care a lot about being the center of attention.
      That's a huge thing as anyone who has dabbled in bands will know.
      More Luv and Peace.
      :-)

    • @ThefightingCelt
      @ThefightingCelt 8 років тому +13

      Agree entirely : for Beck and McLaughlin , the music is everything .

    • @hywel4605
      @hywel4605 7 років тому +5

      well he's wrong because jeff is.

    • @duster71
      @duster71 7 років тому +12

      +Hywel 4 Zappa was and always will be.Music is my religion ans Frank Zappa is my God.

  • @arniesilverberg764
    @arniesilverberg764 2 роки тому +5

    Went to a concert in Central Park in 1973 to see this group. An outer body experience then and now. The best!!

  • @pallmall7385
    @pallmall7385 Рік тому +1

    Really ahead of its time... Sounds modern today...

  • @matthewJ142
    @matthewJ142 3 роки тому +2

    Jan Hammer will mostly be remembered for Miami Vice but real lovers of music will remember him as one of the greatest keyboardists up there with Chick, Hancock. Emerson, Wakeman, Rick Wright, T. Lavitz(look him up)

  • @usmessenger3199
    @usmessenger3199 3 роки тому +7

    ONE OF THE GREATEST BANDS OF MUSICAL GENUIS. PURE GENUIS.😎🎸🔊🎶🎼☮️ BOB.

  • @whatevershebrings
    @whatevershebrings 3 роки тому +13

    Beautiful footage of the extra-terrestrial MO playing some of their finest pieces...elasticity and fluidity are words that come to mind. Cobham's Fibes drum set is a work of art!

  • @JeckenKlaaf
    @JeckenKlaaf 2 роки тому +2

    I heard the Mahavishnu Orchestra in 1972 in Zürich / Switzerland. I was a drummer and I was impressed by Billy Cobham

    • @markpruitt1871
      @markpruitt1871 Рік тому

      I should think you would be. At the time he was unmatched in any way by anyone ever, perhaps?

  • @bassmickeyd
    @bassmickeyd 3 роки тому +4

    I saw this band in Toronto with Zappa. (71?) ... What a monster show.

    • @RicardoMartinez-oh9sq
      @RicardoMartinez-oh9sq 3 роки тому

      Most professional and even famous guitar players must remain speechless when listening to McLaughlin.

  • @marioblues8074
    @marioblues8074 Рік тому +8

    Najlepszy ZESPÓŁ, jaki kiedykolwiek słyszałem !!! Wirtuozeria bez granic !!!!

    • @tomekhauzer
      @tomekhauzer Рік тому +2

      Dobrze się słucha.
      Polskie SBB odwołuje się między innymi do dokonań Mahavishnu.

    • @marioblues8074
      @marioblues8074 Рік тому +2

      @@tomekhauzer Zgadza się, tylko to nie ta liga !

  • @timothydillow3160
    @timothydillow3160 3 роки тому +4

    "The truly happy man can connect the morning of his life with the evening."

  • @paulcatania1315
    @paulcatania1315 6 років тому +12

    Cobham: The power, the syncopation!
    Just watched a video of Rick Laird playing upright bass live in London, 1965 with Wes Montgomery. He looks straight-laced,
    wearing a suit and playing traditional jazz.
    That patch Jam Hammer is using on the Moog is the same one he used on Quadrant 4, a track on Billy Cobham's album, Spectrum, with Tommy Bolin on Guitar.

  • @neilfurby555
    @neilfurby555 3 роки тому +15

    One of very best bands ever, absolutely unique, what a brilliant performance ... Mesmerising

  • @garynash7594
    @garynash7594 Рік тому +4

    My first experience with live music!! This tour, this band.... They prayed first... Mind blowing!!!🌌🎆💥🌠😔🤯

  • @carriersignal
    @carriersignal 5 років тому +7

    These guys along with Jean Luc Ponty created some of the greatest music to come out of the 70's.

  • @jpag57
    @jpag57 7 місяців тому +1

    50 years ago, I was listening to this fine ensemble. Now I’m hearing them - and am in awe.

  • @robertpatterson3406
    @robertpatterson3406 3 роки тому +4

    Billy sure is smooth, he makes it look easy. Never broke a sweat either . Great drummer for sure .

    • @dondrysdale7297
      @dondrysdale7297 3 роки тому

      one story he has: he was woodshedding one Friday when he was still in the army and accidentally got locked in the room, and he got called AWOL until Monday.

  • @williamdoerfler7245
    @williamdoerfler7245 8 років тому +188

    why no love for Jerry Goodman? very sweet tone, lots of chops.

    • @christopherbritton2677
      @christopherbritton2677 7 років тому +4

      I know that 5/4 stuff he was doing

    • @edc3utube
      @edc3utube 6 років тому

      Loved him in the Dixie Dregs, too!

    • @ubergeraldine
      @ubergeraldine 6 років тому +3

      I tuned in just to listen to Jerry!

    • @Mikex0123
      @Mikex0123 5 років тому +3

      Jerry was fantastic

    • @craigezell4261
      @craigezell4261 5 років тому +2

      William Doefler:Oh,lots of love for Jerry Goodman,believe it.Like Jean Luc Ponty,a masterful violinist. He compliments every musician in this band to high degree.He's also a brilliant soloist as they all are.We need these guys more & more today.

  • @lisaandjasonmusic8272
    @lisaandjasonmusic8272 Рік тому +7

    Timeless. Love this as much as I did 50 years ago.

  • @marvymarier8988
    @marvymarier8988 2 роки тому +2

    Beacon theatre , early 70's ,appeared with Steve Miller acoustic tour . As you expect I was blown away. Bought Devotion a week later !
    God blessed me !

  • @jazz_addict7079
    @jazz_addict7079 5 років тому +3

    Others will disagree, but for me, this band will always be the supreme fusion group, above all others.. . it's not "just" the playing, but the material, as well. . .