Deep Intel on China’s NEW Flotilla In The Red Sea
Вставка
- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- PLAN , the Chinese Navy, is deploying a flotilla of 3 ships to the Gulf of Aden for Counter Piracy operations.
A Type052D Destroyer, a Type054A Frigate and Fleet Oiler are enroute to the Chinese port in Djibouti, Africa. China has forward deployed from this location since 2016 conducting Counter Piracy operations.
📫 Contact Gene Dayhaw gene@solaromgmt.com for paid promotion.
🐦► / subbrief
🕺► / subbrief
⏰► / subbrief
😃► / subbriefmedia
🏴☠️► www.SubBrief.com
💵► / subbrief
🔗► / aaron-amick-9538a4171
💌 Contact Aaron ► Aaron@subbrief.com
🦃 Jive Turkey / @jiveturkey1
Aaron's PC Spec
------------------------
CPU: Intel i9-10850K @3.60GHz
RAM: 64GB
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080
Accelsior 4M2 16.0TB PCIe M.2 NVMe SSD
sub brief, sme, subject matter expert, naval, policy, technology, tactical use of the ocean, sonar, submarine tactics, weapons employment, aip, air independent power, 21st century, aaron, amick, aaron amick, sonar, sonarman, sme, SME, subject matter expert, naval, games, wargames, testing, tactics, news, history, tactical use of the ocean, hide, find, search, jive turkey, jive, subbrief,
Anyone that has worked in the defense contracting business knows that a majority of the engineers in the u. S or either Chinese or Indian very fit. Americans even know how to do that type of work. So when you say things like they started developing their system in 2012 I don't think you understand no. They helped the US develop their technology. The only received the license to develop it later for themselves. These little short stories on how this technology comes about. You need to do a little bit more research phone it. 's more of a world collective situation than you with ever imagined
I am a military contractor and you are full of shit.
@@SubBrief found the chinese bot farm. A world collective situation hahahahaah im in TEARS
They need to get better propaganda pushers, this is just sad.
Least obvious 50 cent army commenter
@@SubBrief amen to that. 👍🏼
I hope and pray we never go to war with China.
Well the Chinese own biden and a bunch of other "elites" so they will allow them 5o do whatever they want
你是我中國最好朋友👍👍👍🤝
China's not investing so much into building the largest naval fleet in the world for fun. They know there's going to be a war and they're preparing for it, we just don't know when.
Be ready just in case. When you owners says so.
@stephanieyu6597 Google Translate doesn't seem to work. I'm interested in this opinion, whatever it might be.
The Chinese navy have maintained a 3-ship anti-piracy flotilla in Djibouti for years. This isn’t news. And, as long as the Yemenis leave Chinese ships alone, the Chinese are unlikely to engage the Houthis. Secondly, improving relationships with the US is unlikely to be a Chinese priority when attacking the US diplomatically over the support for Israel is going to strengthen the standing of China in the entire Muslim world and global south. Given the Chinese choice to throw their weight against the US in the Security Council, it would not make sense to support the US in the Red Sea, especially when the Arab states are keeping silent
Can I say how glad I am to find a both informed and reasoned comment?
I suspect that support of Israel is going to significantly hurt anyone who gave military aid. Evidence sure looks like war crime central and I strongly suspect South Africa will be successful in the Hague. Given how dependent China is on shipping, imports and exports, any stance that threatens it is far costlier than it might seem on face value. Probably why they tried the bribes (I have zero doubt that they did for a variety of reasons).
@@richardlo4867well reasoned comments are the best. From both of you.
Exactly! Also one needs to keep in mind that the Chinese spent four years crafting the peace deal between the Saudi's, Iran, and by proxy the Houthi's(all without anyone even knowing they were doing so). Thus the Chinese turning around and attacking the Houthi's when one of the aim's of that hard won peace deal was their security is ridiculous. I also had a good chuckle at that bit about "Oh as soon as the Houthi's run into an actual military they run away." bit.
Since the Houthi's have been in a state of near constant war against the US/Canadian-equipped and trained Saudi military for the better part of decade(and destroyed countless M1A2 Abrams, Bradley's, LAV-21's, etc).
A conflict in which they routinely kicked the Holy howling hell outta the Saudi's in ground engagements and in the asymmetrical field. The idea that the Houthi's are in any way "scared" of engaging anyone's military is beyond fucking funny to anyone who's done more than a cursory glance at a wiki page on them.
I mean to be entirely honest the Houthi's have more American spirit than the US does at this point in terms of FAFO energy, gun ownership/love, and willingness to die for their own(and others) freedom. Something like 1 million Houthi's VOLUNTEERED to join up when they stated they would stand against the Israeli genocide in Gaza. While meanwhile the US military branches can't even meet their basic force requirements and have shortfalls of close to something like 300K across all services I believe?
@@AGTheOSHAViolationsCounter brokering the peace between the middle eastern factions is something that I did not consider; but you are correct. US goodwill will weigh lightly compared to all the effort that China has spent on the Middle East. But, it would make China a good intermediary should the US choose diplomacy instead of war
The Chinese say, "Why should the Americans and Limeys have all this practice time? We want some too!"
"It would be well for your government to consider that having your ships and ours, your aircraft and ours, in such proximity... is inherently DANGEROUS. Wars have begun that way, Mr. Ambassador"
The hunt for Red October!
Type 052D beside HHQ 9B long range SAM also carries HHQ 16 Mid range SAM, specially for covering against incoming sea skimming anti ship missiles. Currently they most probably have the HHQ 16FE variant of it, with extended range.
Another thing is, Chinese PLA N also has CJ 10 (Chinese equivalent of Tomahawk more or less) land attack cruise missile beside YJ 18.
the cj10 is probably not standard escort loadout prob 8-16 anti ship and the rest all AA missiles but can be switched at djibouti
I think CJ10 is only used by the H6 fleets.....
@@EthanX1ao That's a bomber and as far as I know, it's not an air launched missile.
@@EthanX1ao no literally anything from the type 054a to the type 055 can use it. even subs can
It's not HHQ16. It is HQ10 at the rear side above the helicopter hanger. Both HQ10 and 1130 CIWS are for engaging incoming sea skimming anti-ship missiles.
Good intel as always, sir. I love the naval perspective on things because it's my area of weakness so it's great to hear experts breaking it down to see how it affects geopolitics.
Nice work on your osint harvesting and your research sir!
Great brief again. Much appreciated. Greetings from Germany, from a absolute Army / mech inf guy
Missle ranges in naval service should have their ranges given in nautical miles
What is Johnny Depp doing on that Indian commando boat?😀
Wait, the "COSCO SHIPPING" ship was not a Chinese ship, it had been sold by COSCO to Lila in May 2023 IIRC
COSCO is a Chinese state-owned company with headquarters in Shanghai. The abbreviation comes from the China Ocean Shipping (Group) Company. The company is also known as COSCO Shipping Corporation Limited or COSCO Shipping Group.
@@bundhepwanasbodikul9625 thanks ChatGPT, but that was not the question.
0:45 I'm certain that picture is not a 052D, that is a 055
Thanks from GC Australia Aaron.⚓
lol the chinese will probably be helping the houthis with targeting info
since they didn't answer the distress calls you can say so
its entirely in their benefit too
They've been doing anti piracy patrols for years now in that region. So, I don't think so.
The Houthi's allow the Russian and Chinese vessels to pass through = as they work with the Houthi's to verify they are not supplying Israel.
dont ... chinese help... just track the global AIS system
Really like you deep intel. Best I have seen. Give the sudden rise in the number of PLAN Navy ships, where do they draw their experienced naval captain's or senior officers from? Having new tools does not make a skilled tradesman.
I think sub brief is great, keep up the good work!
How does this compare to previous Chinese anti-piracy deployments?
054A is being replaced by 054B, which grew from 4000 tone to 6000 tone and replacing Russian style 76mm gun to a French style 100mm gun.
Great censorship on your part! Startled mewhile sitting on the throne! 😂
At the censored part (6:35) the "45 kg warhead" number is in the presentation, if that was what you where trying to censor.
nope, but good try. you get a +thumb and a heart for your effort.
@@SubBrief I will say i think it is Explosively formed penetrator which would punch a hole in the boat forcing it to surface
@@SubBrief I was listening to your soothing brief, enjoying the melody of a calm engineering-type spittin' data and *WHAM!* Muzak!
Thanks for the wake up.
at 1:09, that is not 052D....Isn't too luxuries for a medium tier ship to have a advanced RF-modules-optimized mast?
The one in the picture is 055
I thought they have been sending naval ships to red sear for 2 decades
You make it sound like that the Houthis are cowards when they retreat from a ship they have seized when forces such as MARCOS from India come to storm and liberate the captured ship. On the contrary, I would argue that they are showing quite a bit of intelligence and tactial savvy.
They kmow that they don't have the firepower, training or manpower to defeat a liberating force and attempting to do so would just be a waste of manpower and resources. As Tacitus is reported to have opined "He that fights and runs away, May turn and fight another day; But he that is in battle slain, Will never rise to fight again." , and that it seems is exactly what the Houthis are doing.
Can't praise the Houthis too much lest The Tribe will shadow ban the entire channel 🤷
@@sustainablerenewableintegr8311 sad but true.......
Really appreciate your data. And, honestly, the thought of us working together is one that immediately occurred. In the end, I really don't see the advantage of the larger powers taking pot shots at each other anymore. Weapons are too lethal, and too quick to respond. There is no advantage there.
Do the fleet Oilers have a CIWS ?
Houthis said they're only going after countries that support the Israeli genocide in Gaza. As far as I'm concerned, the Houthis is upholding International Law and the UN Charter. USA has forgotten it's way and it's legacy.
Every day in the Chinese fleet is Army Navy day 🐮
lol arron i dont think that helo in the the picture fits on the ship in picture lol
Your first pic on 052 is actually a 055
So the only AESA ships currently in red sea is this 052D, then still some USA propaganda contractors are trying to claim they are surprior somewhat
Smart looking boats, looking forward to them helping with security.
Let's begin with a map showing the gulf of Aidan
more info on the indian efforts would be nice, none of the other channels / websites seem to cover them at all.
Can anyone explain why the type 903 fleet oiler seems to be flying both Chinese and Canadian flags?
Nice video Aaron, I think it's unlikely the plan will get involved against the houthi (although the force is there if they want to and likely there to keep the Houthin in line/insurance for their bribe not working). The question is if they back up their words against the US actions with firepower or not...
Chinese seems to be busy building it arsenal.
Optimism *can be an enemy to reason.
Hello Sir,
Question: Do all models of CIWIS depress low enough to engage such small drones we are seeing coming out of Ukraine?
I could be wrong, or the russians incompetents, but I believe I saw a couple of their ships trying to use CIWIS against naval drones before being sunk by said drones because the guns couldn't depress low enough at a certain range to hit those boats and with Stealth-ish designs might be pretty hard to detect those boats before they are danger close.
Cheers!
Why the ship at 10:00 has both China and Canadian flag flying
Because it's in Canadian teritorial waters , whenever a ship enters teritorial waters they must raise the flag of the country that those waters belong .
@@SpectreBGMwho let them in our waters? Lol
Great channel, interesting data.
didn't have a US/Chinese coalition fleet protecting the sea lanes on my bingo card
I would be very surprised if the chinese actually help.
They're not a coalition, they're positioning warships, probably to attack the USN assets in the area when things turn.
Respectfully, I would say, it’s a tofu dreg navy!
No mention of the news that the Houtis are attacking underwater cables?
Because we're not really sure if it is terrorist activity that's causing the problems it could be seismic activity etc
9:31 Why does that Chinese replenishment oiler have a Canadian flag?
You dont know which type of CIWS is installed on Frigate 536 and you titled "Deep Intel". 10 seconds web search is better than this.
Wonder how much risk China is actually taking since I don’t really see their ships being targeted.
Uh, maybe they aren't there to deter the Houthis.
@@Rogerholberg was kind of my indirect point.
I think the Houthis fucked up by still hijacking Chinese cargo ships despite allegedly receiving bribes from China to not do so. But I agree their warships are unlikely to be a main target still.
Does the PLAN have special forces in the area, is SEAL or Marines?
Thanks Jive!
I don't think tensions are going to decrease between the CCP and the west/most Chinese neighbors.
Chinese leadership is in an economic pickle and has been since about half-way through covid. The response to companies divesting has been to increase anti-foreigner actions and propaganda, along with an increased crackdown on Chinese nationals (they disappear) in an attempt to not lose face/keep populace under control. Remember that the CCP can NEVER be seen to be wrong, or at least nobody can talk about it. The very strategy that the CCP uses to stay in power is the one that alienates the rest of the world and deepens China's problems. The only way to keep conflict away is to make it as uninviting as possible (no easy war for political stability) or abandon Taiwan and accept the massive loss in advanced technology with other international detractors.
*edit: Correction, China has been in an economic pickle for some time due to short sighted policy and economy sapping corruption, but it has been in immediate trouble when the money stopped flowing about half way through covid.
Buying safe passage as the PRC did, appears to be inadequate.
0:46 that‘s 055
Well if you wanted Walmart security to help you keep the sea lanes open you could do worse.
Hey Brother, you and I are sailors, and we know that a ship or boat is only as good as its crew.
No wonder you United Snakes crew is so bad...on a grandpa rusty sea coffin...
Sorry for my ignorance, @10:07 what does the Chinese ship 889 have a Canadian flag flying???
For centuries, it has been a rule in maritime law to raise the national flag of the nation whose port you are visiting as a sign of solidarity.
Is there such a thing as an underwater EMP jammer?
on the yemen thing we should remember they do not respect freedom of navigation becaues US did not respect freedom of navigation and blockaded them. if US want yemen to play nice, it should stop threatening maritime access of other states.
They have hedgehogs. Cool
10:10 Forget the battleship. Sink the oiler first?
why? why do you think middile east is your fathers' property?
@saadman920 Weapons aren't the only kind of warfare. There's diplomacy, economic, via manufacturing, financial, withholding material supply and demand. There are other weapons like the debt trap.
Considering the early Rome and the Roman Republic, did they speak Latin before they conquered Tuscany to their north and later the Latin cities to the south? IMHO, generally, empires are conquering by any means.
Is there a list of current conquering countries in order of aggression.
Just a medium-sized flotilla is not really threatening, unlike 800 US military base around the world especially around east china sea, facing China. I don't know why, but feels it really hypocrite for US to criticise China.
Why does that Fleet Oiler have a Chinese _and_ Canadian flag?
Why the need to censor other countires ships capability?
Why are there a Chinese and Canadian flag on the oiler.
Red Sea?
gonna get thick before it gets thin.
8:18 you're making a terrible mistake here. They are not attacking Chinese vessels. These warships are simply assisting in their travels so that there can be no mistake you understand sir
They got their water-wings on?
Hi sincerely doubt China would want to improve relations with the US of China saw an advantage to doing so.
The United States only needs to stop military sales of TW, reduce tariffs, and lift trade sanctions. The relationship will be better. China can turn its funds towards space development, space navigation, landing on the moon, and space ecology.
The U.S. Secretary of Defense has made three demands of China, and China will not improve its relations with China unless it agrees.
Number one: stop developing advanced weapons.
Number two: stop cooperating with Russia.
Third: Cut the military in half.
I think it's better for China to maintain hostile relations with the US.😂
Why does most of what the PLA have look American? Imitation is the best form of flattery I guess
I'm figuring that they used our own plans to build from.
American "intel" means "we lied, we cheated, we stole" Remember Mike Pompeo saying that, proudly and laughing?
@@hokroegerBurke was developed way before those warships so no way US stole them.
@hokroeger they all steal ideas, plans, etc. from each other. No one has a lock on that.
I gotta admit I had a good chuckle at that bit about "Oh as soon as the Houthi's run into an actual military they run away." bit. Since the Houthi's have been in a state of near constant war against the US/Canadian-equipped and trained Saudi military for the better part of decade(and destroyed countless M1A2 Abrams, Bradley's, LAV-21's, etc).
A conflict in which they routinely kicked the Holy howling hell outta the Saudi's in ground engagements and in the asymmetrical field. The idea that the Houthi's are in any way "scared" of engaging anyone's military is beyond fucking funny to anyone who's done more than a cursory glance at a wiki page on them.
I mean to be entirely honest the Houthi's have more American spirit than the US does at this point in terms of FAFO energy, gun ownership/love(stores regularly accept bullets as currency across the country), and willingness to die for their own(and others) freedom. Something like 1 million Houthi's VOLUNTEERED to join up when they stated they would stand against the Israeli genocide in Gaza. While meanwhile the US military branches can't even meet their basic force requirements and have shortfalls of close to something like 300K across all services I believe? I know the US army is already cutting like 20 or 40K jobs now due to those shortfalls and hell most of your population isn't even fit to hold a paintball gun let alone a real one.
So yeah I just gotta shake my head at you man as you've so very obviously fall into the DoD/establishment paid shil-er influencer category over the last couple years. Not really all that surprising really to anyone with a brain who knows the least bit about PsyOps/social engineering. That an I mean I get it I guess most people these day's would and do 'sell their soul to the devil' pretty cheap after all. But ya think ya could at least do so while not committing one of the cardinal sin's of warfare? I.e: underestimating and failing to respect one's opponents. But you've got yer DoD approved script to go off of and while the Pentagon has many things functional brain cells aren't one of em after all.
ha. rare you put a redacted 🎉 .. love it... curious about deconfliction
What will the Chinese fleet do? will they intercept Houthi missiles?
there will be no reduction in tensions. china is a strategic competitor to the US and wants to dominate its near neighbors.
Will the Chinese coordinate any aspects of their efforts with the US and European navies already present?
No. That would be beneath them.
Why should they or do they have to none of those navies are allies
What you’re seeing is the Chinese taking their role in policing the sea in the region. This is what should be happening.
Nah. Last I checked the PLAN staked out an area not in the Red Sea itself but well out in the Indian Ocean, not specifically to discourage the Houthis but piracy in general... more likely targeting very adventurous Somali pirates. It's a stretch to say that the Chinese deployment could be considered part of the Red Sea anti-piracy but it's in the general area, or at least close by.
Dude the US Navy has interceptor missiles that can easily hit ballistic missiles and if you know anything about ballistic missiles is that they ALL travel at speeds UP TO Mach 20 In their terminal phase. Mach 10-20. Yes I said 20 twenty. So a missiles traveling Mach 3 is not a problem.
9:36 Canadian and Chinese flag??
Yeah what the heck?
The ship was likely visiting a Canadian port when the stock photo was taken
9:30 I know Canada is headed in this direction politically, but why tf is there a Canadian flag on that ship?
Exactly my thoughts. IMO Trudeau will not last through the next election - thank goodness. Seeing my flag on the vessel is sooo embarrassing.
Alot of this kit seems like copies of US equipment. I wonder how that happened?
China go hit with the double, double cross lol
The Chinese are smart to use one missile for Anti Ship and Land attack unlike the US missile armory which is more diverse but lacks that one muli role -fast missile.
Is tomahawk missile not satisfy you? If you're talking about anti ship missile, i think US want to use quicksink missile.
The block V Tomahawk is both anti ship and land attack. Also there’s the SM-6 which is basically anti-everything.
@@byssmal Quicksink isn’t a missile, it’s an anti ship JDAM bomb. It doesn’t really have any range past the aircraft that carries it and is primarily designed to fight smaller ships with little or no SAM capability.
@@collinwood6573 Tomahawk+quicksink. You think US navy can keep it in the dark from us forever?
@@byssmal what do you mean by that? Are you saying quicksink can be added to the tomahawk? If that’s the case, it doesn’t make any sense because tomahawk block V is already anti ship capable so no additional equipment is necessary. On top of that, quicksink isn’t a weapon, it’s a seeker and guidance kit for bombs so it has no use on missiles.
Ion think they are going to stop the houthis lol
Omg it's the end of the 🌎 as we know it ..pisHhhh
Targets.
The Chinese still have reasonable guns. The US keeps making their deck guns smaller and smaller.
Ampaw yan trust me
Only for Humanity Aid and sea traffic safety
WHY is that Chinese support ship flying a Canadian Flag 🇨🇦
Chinese ripping off western design weapons and platforms, who knew right?
Great brief Aaron!
Did Houthi really high jack the Chinese weapons or is a game plan of delivering their consignment.
IQ 200
Well done China . It’s better to say the high jacked it than China is delivering weapons to Houthi.
Indian Navy is playing a big role from last month, MARCO (MARINE COMANDO) are involved in multiple rescue ops, including a Pakistan vessel.
A single rescue when the Houthis had already left
BS, Chinese fleet has been patrolling the Red Sea, the Arabia Sea and the Persian Gulf for over a decade.
GOD BLESS CHINA 🇨🇳
Deep intel? This is all publicly available.information.
You say all these weapons and ships are good, but have they been combat proven? Have they earned their spurs?
Hmm, this is assuming they are not lying about the specs, because no communist regime ever did lie about details like these, right? ;)
Lol
Kind of surprised they're sending the 052D out given that it's not that great against sea skimming missiles - it would be very embarassing for the chinese to take a hit on a warship.
A couple of things occur to me, it's possilbe that the Chinese could be going to join the US action (not formally but work to the same effort) however I think it's more likely that they are there as "insurance" Against the houthi breaking their agreement and to deal with any piracy that occurs against chinese ships again. China rarely acts outside its narrow definition of its own direct national interest.
The most likely possiblity is that they will do this and a little extra antipiracy whilst observing and collecting data on US and allied naval operations and senors/capabilities etc.
The other alternative though is that they're prepostiioning a naval force to ally with the Houthi, afterall all their statements have been against the US opeations so conceivably they're backing their actions with words.... I think this is very unlikely but it is notable that this force would be relatively difficult for the US ships there to deal with especialy with their poorly integrated command and control
but USN had just proved that ESSM on Bruke class simply don't work and has to use CIWS .
1. The HHQ9B of 052D has the ability to intercept sea-skimming missiles, and China released a video many years ago. The mistake in his video is that he blindly used the S300F to match the HQ9. 2. 052D has been in the Red Sea for many years, and its purpose is only to defend against pirates. 3. 052D is usually accompanied by 054A, and 054A's 32 VLS are all used to defend against low-altitude targets. 4. Houthis have promised not to attack Chinese ships, and the Chinese Navy has no reason to fight back against Houthis.
It seems that China is on the Houthi side of this conflict. Are they in the Red Sea to help them?