Porsche 928 Episode 22 - How much does a restoration cost?
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- This week Im going to discuss the costs of doing a project like this, and finally reveal what I paid for the White Shark! ... and prove how bad my maths is (despite having a degree in Maths!)
Welcome back guys to my Porsche 928 restoration! I bought the cheapest 928 in the UK and its going to be a battle to bring her back to life...
... and to make matter worse, Im not a mechanic! Im just a regular guy 'having a go', and it doesn't always work out!
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Nice to know more about the cost side of things :) £3k was a bargain... I've restored a couple of 928s (some are shown on my UA-cam channel) and my first port of call EVERY TIME for parts is my local Porsche dealer, you'd be surprised how competitive they are - 9 out of 10 times they will be cheaper than 3rd party suppliers and even more interestingly they are nearly always cheaper for brand new parts compared with second hand ones. If you are looking at teledials make sure they are 16x7" all round with an offset of 65 all round. the 944 ones don't fit and the 15" look rubbish (in my opinion!) Looking forward to more updates, keep them coming :)
Hey Llewelyn, I must call the local Porsche dealer! The teledials are the correct part number so I (hope) they are correct :)
Just found your video, I purchased a 1984 928S in 2010 when I lived in Melbourne Australia, non runner for $6000 AUD. (around £3000). After removing the engine I found that a piston was damaged and had damaged the bore, so I ordered a Alusil sleeve from Germany and had it installed and purchased a new Male piston. When I was installing the piston I damaged the new bore with the (I now suppose) incorrect supplied sized piston rings. So I had all 8 bores sleeved this time with steel liners and had forged pistons made.
Then every item was either sent away to be serviced or replaced, (heads, MAF, ECU etc). The money starts to run away with the project and you just have to carry on otherwise you end up waisting a lot of your money.
Luckily the prices have increased since I finally got it on the road 2019, and when we returned to the UK, it was one of the three cars I returned with. I have never priced up all of the costs, but reckon parts and machine work would be around $8000 (£4000). I did the work myself with help from a knowledgeable friend, so no labour costs were involved.
Hi Glen, great to hear from you! wow, what a journey - probably not dissimilar to what I will go through. You can follow my journey and advise me on the way... I rely on people like yourself to steer me :) Anyway, thanks for the message and for watching!
Hi Todd - loved this 'cost so far' video. I've just started on an '86 928 S LHD non-runner. I'm several months behind you - and closely following your progress. Keep up the good work - all the best, John
Hi John, thanks for watching (and subscribing !). It sounds like you are in a similar boat. I think your car is probably a little bit more complicated, but it should be roughly similar. Let me know if you want to see anything specific and I'll try to film it.
Episode 22, wherein Todd discovers that every 928 is $10,000 away from being a $5,000 car!
Good work so far, Todd. Stay with it!
Lol Shawn, but with 5k of fun :)
I just bought a red '89 GT with 16 thousand miles on it. Like a brand new '89 vehicle. Paid USD $88 thousand before sales tax. The original sticker was on the car - USD $76 thousand.
Oh wow Landon - that’s the other end of the scale! Congrats! Would love to see some photos
@@MrToddgibbs - www.marshallgoldmanbh.com/used-vehicle-1989-porsche-928-gt-c-1043/
Enjoying the series Todd. I own a 928 S4 MY89 in Guards Red. Have owned it for about 10 years and the car gets used (not a daily driver) and has undertaken many long trips. I love my 928. I do as much of my own maintenance as possible. It is in good condition. Admittedly, I bought a good car and the value has probably doubled in the time I have owned it. In the local Landshark community back in the day we would always say these are a $50,000 car.....it just depends on where you start LOL. Looking forward to seeing (and hearing) the final finished car. Cheers
Hey Anthony - great to hear you are a fellow shark owner (although your's works!). Im also looking forward to hearing her start for the first time. Im probably going to put the engine back in fairly soon and get it all connected up.... so it might not be that far away!
Im a peasant myself, but put down the 10 grand , and for a year and a half had fun running her into the ground...tires were the only thing i fixed, and coolant...in the end was offered 2 grand for a car with a blown motor and diff.
Hey lobster, I bet it was a fun year though! Actually was it a white one.... ?
Great Summary video with some realistic numbers..... and as you said if you were looking for a profit you wouldn’t have chosen a 928.... 👍 ... I love the mental rounding down and underestimation of cost so far though ..... I spend my life convincing myself i haven’t spent as much as i have on it 😂
lol GF04RCE, it will cost as much as I want it to ;). I actually double-counted the interior (+1k) and removed £500 later... great mental maths! :)
Tod, I'm an ex 928 owner. If you need spares try Paul Anderson of 928 spares in Stroud he did some work on both my old 928S2's he had loads of 928's last time I saw him. Good luck!
Thanks Lee - I’ll look him up :)
Hi Todd, its 22.31 here in Taiwan and I've just watched the video.
The 928 is going to look amazing when completed.
Good night my friend, stay safe.
Thanks Terry - hope this video was ok. I made similar about 3 times but never published them. This time I hadn't done anything on the engine/car so took the opportunity.
Fuel distributor kit arrived now so normal (mechanical) service will be resumed :)
good night!
@@MrToddgibbs The video you did was just great and it certainly gives folks a complete insight as to what they might expect when considering purchasing an older classic car for rebuild.
It's hard to believe that the car is 41yrs old as I remember looking at a nearly new model that was a manual version with cream hide back in the day that was being sold at a car dealership namely Martin H Gregory in Richmond Surrey.
I believe the car was eventually sold to a businessman near Birmingham.
I do like the 928S, I love its iconic shape and I believe there are a handful here in Taiwan BUT I haven't actually seen one driving on the roads.
In 2009/2010 I bought a fully loaded brand new Infiniti FX35 AWD sport to run around in.
I became attracted to this particular vehicle purely due to its ugly design and its V6 powerplant. The SUV gave me some wonderful times and I had no real issues with it, however it was a really unpractible vehicle to own.
Although I just purchased another new car for my wife and she's happy with it, I'm contemplating what's next for me, I'd consider an accident damaged vehicle as a project here :)
For what it's worth I'm getting a 928 S4 restored. It had sat for about 10 years in Virginia in a garage that was open to the air. It was running ok with the exception of an electrical fault at that time. So far I have transported it twice and paid $16191 for a mass air flow sensor, fuel pump relay, ECU replacement, rebuilt fuel injectors and more. The more I learn the more I'm being told it might be up to $30k to just get running. You've been doing all the labor yourself, several hours a week it looks like for... 3 years? At $75 US an hour, conservatively 3 hours a week comes out to $35100 for 3 years in labor, plus $8264 (6500 pounds in todays exchange rate) = $43364. Recent videos appear as though the car is very close to not only driveable but just a few more bits and bobs until it gets a new paint job, which if you're doing yourself might just put you shy of $45k.
You probably aren’t far off with your numbers. Yes my car is driveable and getting very close to respray (I probably won’t do it myself)
Important to clarify that these are numbers, and to some they might be tear inducing, to others, the cost of happiness, and you sure as hell seem happy with all that hard work. @@MrToddgibbs
Its all about value for money :). Im expecting my rebuild to cost around £18k
These immensely strong Porsches are extremely good value , especially if you can do many of the repairs yourself.
All the best from , Tasmania ;
Thanks Paul! Yes they are fantastically engineered - but I have a feeling the cost of repair will outweigh the resell value, but that’s not what it’s about :)
@@MrToddgibbs exactly. If you love a car , it's like marriage vows , for better or for worse ... etc!
Just started watching this series. Got caught up today. I am in the market for a 928 to drive and have fun. I am trying to decide on buying a non runner like yours or get one that is 90% good for more money. Either way, it is interesting and beneficial to watch your journey. I really appreciate the engineering that went into the 928... I don't consider it a fragile car. I can't wait to buy one. Great videos! Thank you.
Hey Rome - Ah that big decision... I think the rule is buy as good as you can afford. Its never cheaper to do it my way, but then again it depends on what you are buying one for. I wanted a project, I wanted to disassemble an engine, etc... If thats not your thing I would heavily recommend getting a runner with a few cosmetic issues. I saw another recommendation to get the best interior you can find as that is where the money goes...
Whatever you decide, please let me know and I hope the videos remain useful and entertaining!
@@MrToddgibbs I think my preference would be a non runner (a.k.a. cheap) but with good paint and good interior. Like you, I enjoy mechanical work.
I took a punt on my 928, bought on eBay 5 years ago. Flew one way with a nervous 300 mile drive home, very few of the electrics worked but the important stuff worked and made it without drama and 2 tanks if fuel. As you say, makes life interesting. If you're really stuck for parts then Roger Tyson in the US will have it.
You are also a brave man :) where is the car now - do you still own it ?
Hi Tod, yep been slowly getting all the electrics working again and catching up on deferred maintenance. I also tracked all my costs and, other than getting the steering rack rebuilt by a specialist, the labour was all me. I've averaged €2,000 per year excluding fuel which is not crazy, now I'm mostly in maintenance mode it is trending downwards pretty fast but still can't resist an eBay bargain.
Ah nice - yes 2k a years isn't too bad, especially when you think of the depreciation of any new car... Keep the tips coming, I need help from you as you have been there before! :)
Great vids Todd!
Thanks Mark!
Love your videos...!!! From Australia :)
Thanks Jamie - appreciate you watching :)
Hi Todd..
Good informative video..I have a1986 s2 and so far have bought my parts from 928sRUS in America. Unfortunately the import duties make the parts not so cheap.
Like you say, Ebay is great for getting parts too. Good luck and you are doing a lovely job.
Thanks quemada100, we are going to need more info about your car! :). what colour / condition...
I hate the import duty and postage...
Great job man.
Thanks for watching E Z :)
Todd, if you're having issues with your figuring...having a degree in mathematics, what bloody hope do I have ? Funny how I had exactly the same idea about buying an engine just for the fun in the rebuild. Room is the main issue for me, but one day. Would love a Ferrari, or even porsche engine. One can dream... Cheers.
Tell me about it - I always get words mixed up (if you hadn't already noticed!) and adding up 'live' on camera while trying to make up what to say .... its just surprising I wasn't further out :)
A few years ago I had a Testarossa (videos on the channel somewhere) - thats not an engine I would like to touch! Very scary looking lump. The 928's v8 is much more welcoming
@@MrToddgibbs For sure...all my videos are unrehearsed and on the spot...I like them that way. Testarossa is way too much maintenance for me. Great car nevertheless. I'll stick to my baby 3.0 LTR V8.
Hi Todd... It's a1986 4.7 s. The colour is gun metal grey, automatic and it runs.
The belt light was on when I got it, very faintly tho and the chap said it was changed a couple of thousand miles ago and would need tightening etc. I bought the belt tester and when I tested it it was far too tight..I set it to the belt tester and the warning light was then on full... Typical eh... So I have ordered all the bits for front end re fresh including a racing belt which should be ok for 50 thousand miles(apparently)😱 oil seals, water pump, pk tensioner etc and will sort it asap...
Oh nice, you have some fun ahead... of course factor in all the bits you discover on the way and I can see you with the engine out by August :)
Paul Anderson at Stroud used to make St St tank cradles... and Roger at 928's R U's in the states for all parts... Looking good..
Thanks Geoff - I managed to get a used one recently for £150 (I think)
Hi Todd! my engine is out. I had to remove it, as the bearings in the transaxle tube are bad. Have you checked yours ? I needed a rebuild powersteering rack. Have you found a good website to buy the suspension bushings ? Looking forward to your next video. Cheers Andreas
Oh Andreas, that is good (that its out) but bad with the bearings. I haven't got down that end of the car yet so I don't know whats good/bad there.
The suspension (and basically anything that isn't engine) seems miles away and I haven't even thought about them yet... I will soon tho :)