Is it Worth It To Buy "20 Ways To Win" | A New Secret Lair Commander Deck for Magic: The Gathering
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You're missing Angels deck when talking about the price comparison.
Professor. Can you create a video on how to upgrade this terrible precon for battle. I want to have something to bring to the commander table.
Not sure it works "all over the world", I wasn't able to enter the giveaways (or buy something) out of Europe several times. Haven't tried for some time, though
I got to the ad for this in the video literally 5 minutes before the whatnot stream airs. It is meant to be.
Wizard's really didn't want to give us a Thassa's Oracle reprint huh?
I understand the gripe but Thassa's oracle in this deck makes no sense; especially when it's aimed at a casual table
@@peeporiot9948 i mean if they dont have a way of emptying their deck thoracle isnt really that big of an issue
Let’s be honest. That would make this deck-which is already horrendous-even more terrible.
@@moomoocat2708 The counter I'd give to that's is when is Thassa's Oracle ever played in any deck that's not running an infinite? Again I get why people are upset but if you want to keep policing Oracle to only be in high powered pods you don't put it in a Jank deck like this 😂
It got reprinted in Mystery Booster 2. I pulled four of them.
The decklist looks so scatterbrained and unfocused.
Art is lovely.
I'm trying to figure out if this or the 'Cute or Brute' deck is less cohesive.
I don't even particularly like the art, tbh
The art is good but it isn't even applied to all the wincon cards so this just doesn't even feel worth it for the art, I honestly wish it was a shrines deck with special shrine art
The mana base is disgusting
Feels like they want even the pilot of the deck to be surprised when they win!
It honestly seems like a regular secret lair but then they realized they could throw in an additional 90 cards without special art and sell it for much more money.
I honestly want the cards more than the precon, sucks they don’t have that option.
@@Iwatoda_Dorm Agreed.
I feel like this is similar to that double sided deck they did. Just kind of found a some what similar theme and just grabbed a bunch of randoms in it to make a deck
I actually can't wait to play mine in the mirror match
Don't the singles cost more than the deck itself? So buying at 150 is decent just for that sake
I have never wanted something and not wanted something so bad at the same time
Schrödinger's longing 😂
Because so many people have also agreed that the 20 Way to Win deck is just a pile of cards, I think it won't sell out for a week or more.
Which makes it all the weirder that this was designed and play tested for over a year by one of the lead designers at wotc.
it'll sell out immediately anyway
@@pug8714 and yet it's not sold out yet
@@pug8714 Its not even on low Stock
I was proven wrong it seems. I'm surprised scalpers didn't rush it
@15:56 Rite of Replication on Taurean Mauler does not win with Liliana's Contract. They need to have different names.
Correct, you need EXACTLY Maskwood Nexus, I believe.
@kylesmith7413 yeah Maskwood Nexus is the only way to get demons in the deck
Yup. Rite of Replication is in there for the Biovisionary win condition.
I think that of I were to replace some of the win conditions biodivisinary and Liliana’s contract would defiantly be on that list. There to specific only letting me win if I have a specific card
Only just getting into Magic, this channel is really helping.
Yah, Prof. has helped me a lot, and his discord community has been so nice when I play commander
Welcome to the club. Most of secret lair is just a money grab so unless you REALLY like the art, you can skip most of their drops.
Welcome to the game!! This channel is a hella good resource for new players as it’s the channel I found first when I got into magic
@@chefnelsonsbbq the pixel art set was too good to pass up :P
Enjoy the ride and hope you find a solid group to play with regularly!
Kinda feels like this was originally a tanuki trickster drop with the 10 cards that Hasbro decided would sell more as a commander deck ( our market research shows... yadda yadda yadda...holiday sales....yadda yadda yadda...pasr performsnce of decks...). So R&D had to slap together a theme to go with the cards they already commisioned art for, which could explain the scattershot nature of this drop.
not surprised... less effort and higher cost is the staple of Wizards modus operandi
The designer of the deck (can't remember his name) actually said he's been working on this project for a year in a Commander at home episode
Knowing wizards it was probably an animal crossing beyound deck featuring Tom Nook but Nintendo didn't take the offer
@@xChikyx I'd like to hear your rationale on how designing the entire deck was less effort than a 10 card SL drop.
It's completely on theme if the inspiration was a trickster character! Because he built the deck to trick the person playing it!
I just got mine delivered and it comes with a little card with the 20 ways to win (printed as a checklist on the traditionally blank side of the "thank you for being part of secret lair" card). So the official 20 ways are:
1. "Forgot Your Sunscreen" - Win using Approach of the Second Sun
2. "Barbershop Quartet" - Win using Biovisionary
3. "Here, Kitty Kitty" - Win using Felidar Sovereign
4. "Splish, splash" - Win using Halo Fountain
5. "Storybook Ending" - Win using Happily Ever After
6. "Tower of power" - Win using Helix Pinnacle
7. "Bull in a China Shop" - Win using Hellkite Tyrant
8. "Notarized" - Win using Liliana's Contract
9. "Face the Music" - Win using Mayael's Aria
10. "Gatecrasher" - Win using Maze's End
11. "Eighth wonder" - Win using Mechanised Production
12. "A Penny Saved..." - Win using Revel in Riches
13. "Counter-Punch" - Win using Simic Ascendency
14. "Go the Distance" - Win using Test of Endurance
15. "Baker's Dozen" - Win using Triskaidekaphile
16. "Ribbit" - Win using Twenty-Toed Toad (20 cards in hand)
17. "Ribbit 2: The Ribbiting" - Win using Twenty-Toed Toad (20 counters)
18. "If You Want a Job Done Right..." - Win by dealing 21 Commander Damage to last opponent
19. "Ol' Reliable" - Win by reducing last opponent's life total to 0
20. "The Library is Closed" - Win when last opponent attempts to draw from and empty library
Watched it in action on Elder Dragon Hijinks and I think it performs better than you expect. As anyone who plays casual commander knows, being unassuming and not much of a threat is a good way to survive to late game, which is where you are more likely to pull out one of these wincons. It’s also kind of silly to see people theorizing that it was just thrown together, this is a pet deck of Daniel Holt who has been piloting variations of this deck for years.
Underrated comment
problem being, even though being unassuming can help you last longer the deck doesnt functionally prevent the other 3 players from winning. so even at a casual commander level the table very well could lose long before you get you jank win to go off. especially in a precon format because precons dont run much interaction so you cant even count on your opponents to prevent each other from winning
@@kyonizuka am I wrong in thinking the best way to prevent someone else winning is to simply win yourself? Not every deck is going to sweat it out for a world title. In the right hands , just like any other deck, it feels like this could be a fun, dynamic stack of cardboard
Thanks for pointing out it's his deck. It felt a bit like a real deck where the designer had to cut corners for the sake of card value. Seems like that is pretty likely what happened here.
More than anything this play possum style is not my style. I like feeling like I've built up and "earned" my wins, not just waiting 7 turns until my opponents are out of answers and I can sneak a wincon onto the battlefield.
The only way I see actually winning with this deck is makes end or felidar sovereign opening hand.
This is a perfect deck for hanging out with friends who happen to be playing EDH. Its the most casual of casual decks, and sometimes thats okay. Maybe not for $150 though.
Is it? Even for a casual deck, it has too many win condition options and no synergy for its own good. Even a novice can probably throw together a stronger deck, or at least one that's more fun to play.
Maybe you could chop it into 4 pieces and build decks around each piece, but I wouldn't want to play it as-is, even with friends.
I agree with your general sentiment, but can't say I agree that this deck is even suited for a very casual setting. Even the very first commander precons would be far too much for this deck to handle, let alone the precons of today, or even people's "janky, super casual" home brews.
The total lack of cohesion and awkward, niche, unintuitive aspects (e.g. Path of Ancestry never being able to scry, even when casting your commander) make this, in my opinion, not an enjoyable experience to play at all. You essentially rely on chance for the right combination of specific cards to line up for you, with barely any agency in dictating that.
Wanted to give some corrections of The Prof's misunderstandings on several cards in the deck, not grief, just reading the cards, I do agree that the deck plays like a garbage fire. Love ya prof
Reading the card..
I've got a stupid fun modern legal deck that rocks maskwood and nexus. Both thrilled and bummed to see it here qq
15:19 Thankfully, it's an end step trigger not an upkeep trigger, so you don't have to wait for each of your opponents to have a turn, but it's still a bit of a long shot.
The deck also contains Path of Ancestry with a commander that has no creature types, so it's really just a cheap 5 color tapped land.
I have bought one because I do like the art and I own the other 4, so I'll have it for completeness, but I'm not overly enthused by the deck list.
Was going to call this out too.
I run Biovisionary in a somewhat controlly Simic deck and I'm honestly surprised how reliably it works. Copy spells and effects have become a lot cheaper and more versatile over the years, and then there is the populate mechanic which is stitched onto some usable spells. So you have a lot of cards that are not just waiting around on your hand to copy the one wincon.
@@Volkbrechtbut you actually run cards with the intention of reliably copying biovisionary. it's not very good win condition but it will work if you build your deck correctly... but not in this pile
@@m1gr3nA Exactly so. It's not a terrible card, but in this deck it requires you to have biovisionary stick and then a single very specific sorcery resolve and the tokens stay around until end step. There's not even any cards in the deck helping you defend it.
Much like liliana's contract wouldn't be awful in a demons deck, but in this you are required to have liliana's contract and maskwood nexus, plus a board of creatures and the only real defense you have to make it stick is clever concealment to keep them phased out until your next turn.
@@arcbinder i would expect removal targeted at original biovisionary in response to replication rather than let it resolve and deal with more of them afterwards. it's safer. :)
there is a few ways to protect/recur the combo but again they are not good ones except last one: alseid, shalai/ascendancy (i mean if someone tried to bolt it...), sun titan, ultimatum, concealment. no progenitor mimic and other clones, no silence or veil effects. no graveyard recursion. no counterspels. awful.
poor tanukis. they deserved better deck.
I liked the idea of a 20 ways to win commander deck. The $150 price point was a deal breaker.
Been watching for ages now, and I love that you're still here making content and still passionate about the game. Thanks for all the honest reviews you do and speaking your mind. Cheers to many more years of it as well.
Happy Holidays. :D
The 20th way to win is not to pay for this deck
The 20th wincon is swapping to a deck with an actual wincon and strategy
the box juggle at 2:54 is mad impressive!
Short answer: no
Long answer: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Think you’re a few hundred “o”s short m8 😂😂
Thank u yatzeee
But isn't every secret lair deck now selling for nearly double it's original cost?
@@PragmaticPsychiatrybecause the other were bangers
@zwair42069 every single other deck was called a flavor and value fail too though lol
Personally, I think this is my favorite of the secret lair commander decks released. One of the biggest reasons for that is one of the cards not actually part of the deck, and I don’t mean the secret card. Included in the deck is a card that lays out all 20 possible ways to win included in the deck, including special names and a checkbox for each of them. The way it is laid out almost shows them as achievements or challenges to achieve through playing the deck. It’s honestly one of the reasons I want to leave the deck unchanged so I can try to actually check off each of the win conditions. It makes me almost think of it to be less of just a precon deck, to be a celebration of these alternative win cons, and a challenge to see how many you could achieve with one deck. I do wish some of the more famous you win cards were included, rather than those that are nearly impossible to achieve, but I still really enjoy the deck. Also, the special secret card included (enduring ideal) is such an amazing include even if not in the 99. It is one of the cards I am probably putting in the deck after finishing a few more of the achievements.
This is the first secret lair I have purchased. I made myself wait a day instead of impulse buying and it was still there.
It’s got everything I like to play - cute creatures, bullshit win cons, and the fact that it’s a mess to play with is pretty on brand for me.
Honestly saaaaame. I picked up miracle worker because of the fact that my win con is just having so much options to play and playing big cards. It just feels bad that this deck as a precon seemingly isn’t cohesive. But just like any precons, upgrade it a little and have even more fun! And I love the art so much! Hope you get enjoy it!
Same!! For the same reasons! I love playing precons and my favorite ones are always the terrible ones
I really love that every couple years when I've gotten back into magic youve been here to provide insight and advice 😊 love you channel, your work, and your candor. Thank you 😄
Commenting before watching,
I have a feeling this is 100% no
Correct, commenting before watch is wrong.
Since you owned up to it however, I excuse you for your poor form (this time).
@@angelojohnson9441hey shut up?
While _this_ decklist is very bad for an alt-win-con-tribal deck, there are a lot of cards here that are useful, not only in such a deck but in EDH in general.
I'd say it _is_ a good start point, and can be upgraded to be a _functional_ alt-win-con-tribal deck somewhat easily.
Also, the 5c Go-Shintai is the commander WotC chose because of its first ability to recur dead enchantments, since a majority of "you win the game" cards are enchantments.
I do agree that there should've been strictly 20 or more cards with the words "you win the game", and not the cop-outs of commander damage, combat damage, or mill.
I'm also a huge fan of WotC _finally_ using the Nyx frame on _all_ enchantments, and there's a _lot_ of enchantment reprints in this deck with that frame now.
As for making a functional alt-win-con-tribal deck: there's 30 legal, possible "you win the game" cards for such a deck, though a few can be ruled out as requiring too much investment:
Hedron Alignment and Battle of Wits don't work in EDH; Gallifrey Stands requires 13+ Doctors and Luck Bobblehead requires 7 Bobbleheads which would be a lot of deckspace for only one win-con each; Near-Death Experience, Barren Glory, and Azor's Elocutors are some of the hardest ones to meet, so can be excluded.
Most of the rest can be built around in ways that the rest of the deck can work towards multiple at once, so that the non win-con cards are all versatile yet still individually strong.
Even the "if you have 8 unlocked doors among Rooms you control" one works, since it only requires 4 total Room cards, and some Rooms are very strong and/or work towards other win-cons.
I'd say Rukarumel or Marina Vendrell would be good commander options, other than Go-Shintai. Marina has card draw that also works with the heavy enchantment count, and Rukarumel works towards Liliana's Contract and even Gallifrey Stands.
5 color was probably the largest mistake of the entire deck. If they had focused it down to 2-3 colors, the deck would probably be much better.
@@kozad86 Trouble with cutting one or more colors is you start losing large numbers of "you win the game" cards and/or support cards that work towards the remaining ones you do have left.
Alt-win-con tribal isn't meant to be cEDH. It's a deck that is very obviously not going to go off often, but is fun to play. It's like Chandra tribal in that way. People build it because it's a fun and unique build, not because it's going to win every game.
He missed Maze’s End in the land section.
this is normal 30$ secret lair with 120$ of cardboard padding. i get that those cards are useful but ypu need to build a lot of decks to find place for all of them so they are just padding.
You know what. I wasn't originally planning on modifying the deck at all. I don't own a single unmodified precon. But now that you mention Rakrumarel and Gallifrey Stands, I am tempted.
Honestly if they wanted a more coherent deck, they should've cut the number of wincons in half, make Kynaios and Tiro the face commander (since that card helps you with card advantage), and cut the few black cards in the deck + the harder to obtain wincons.
no one have complained with 10 ways to win deck.
That’s why i believe that it shoulda just been a normal secret lair product to begin either Dx they just slapped some cards in that works with each precon without choosing a lane and called it a day
That's not a bad idea 😊
This feels like a deck I'd build myself. It'd get played a few times, we'd all laugh, then it'd be retired. As a precon where Wizards is in on the joke, it feels like a very lame corporate thing. Do not want, and also no longer want to build it myself.
There are ways to build it so it works well, but it cost a lot and need to cut a lot of win cons to focused on the easier to synergize a whole deck with. Like, cutting maze's end help a lot for the mana base XD
16:44 because Daniel Holt is a huge Kamigawa fan and he designed this deck, that’s it.
Liliana's Contract in a deck that contains no demons
Maskwood Nexus is the "combo" for the contract.
Yes. This deck feels like it was put together by someone who just looks at cards and thinks the card by itself is great and doesn’t consider anything else. We all have one or two of those at the LGS. 🫠
Achievement unlocked
Or a Go Shintai deck with no other shrines
@@VolmortantoHaving buil a win con theme deck, I can see the appeal of having this commander if you focuse on tutoring your wincons anchentments in your grave to bring them back in instant speed. The token ability is irrelevent and pretty much any 5 colors commander would be a better fit in this particular deck list.
Honestly, kudos to Prof for taking the bold new direction of letting Tappy write his scripted segments. The tanuki balls really show here.
I bought this one specifically to bulk out my inventory of key card points for existing decks that were missing things, like some actual wincons for my B/W lifegain deck, my fun little treasure deck, and to actually have a shrine token for my shine deck. Seemed like a good deal for it since it packaged a bunch of "ideas" for different win cons to play toward. That and I loved the theme for the tanuki nonsense.
It is actually available, so that’s a win and I only waited 14 minutes yesterday so this was actually pretty good considering(the bar is so low after the Marvel drop)
there wasn't a queue on this one when i took a look at it. i once built a deck around packing as many win conditions into a deck as i could... it was scion of the ur dragon. which was part of the win conditions. however, 20 ways to win, without 20 cards in it that say "Win the game" on seems like a misfire.
Why do you even give them still your money?
They literally put the Marvel Drop into the hands of scalpers just to make a quick buck. The "bugs" were well known by WotC.
Don't be a mindless consumer. Just print the cards or order proxies.
I was in, out and done in no time flat
Why though?
@@DaroriDerEinzigeBecause it's just a bunch of cards that might loose value even with the secret lair reprint
The secret lair has inspired me to try this theme myself. Probably going to use some other alt wincons though!
The 20th victory was managing to get the deck before it sold out.
Still available 🙃
@killerhurtalot sounds like a victory
I am not surprised at all by the gameplay assessment in this video. I packed a commander deck with infinite combos once, had around the same number of infinites as this secret lair deck's win cons, and I never won a single game I played with it.
I've built a deck based on the theme. It's not a deck you want to play with if you want to win, but it surely fun to see the face of your opponents when you become the biggest threat in a single turn. Still upgrading it every year and find new ways to enjoy it!
Beside, i do understand the appeal of having that particular commander, but I'd make ways to go grab the enchantments I want into the graveyard and bring it back in instant speed. But this deck is not worth it. Use your money to build it completely from scratch, with the win cons you want and the way you want it to be played.
Logical answer: No
Brain answer: Yes
Wallet answer: Send help
I was talking to my playgroup about how a deck dedicated to alt win-cons is actually pretty cool, but that if you have 4-5 of these already lying around you can make a much better version of it yourself.
I have actually had pretty good luck with an even more scattered version of this deck type. The trick is chaos, have so many wincons ticking up at once, that it becomes very difficult for a player to try and stop you without slowing down their own advancement. Simic ascendancy may be a good target, but you can deal with that or the several modified creatures that will swing in, (maybe even commander). The give is often, "sure you can handle ONE of my wincons, but if you try to handle the other three I have in action, the resources you will have to forfeit would make you an easy target to the other players."
Opponent's threat assessment, Politicking, and Slight of Hand Distractions are as important to this kind of deck as any one of the setup cards.
That said: Dismantle on a Darksteel Reactor is a much better wincon than Triskaidekaphile, there are wincons that help ensure that even if you are getting beat up, its all to your benefit, (Mortal Combat, Near Death Experience, Laboratory Maniac) and Mycosynth Lattice would help immensely with the Mechanized production/Biovisionary/Hellkite Tyrant setup
Finally, definitely could have used a Doubling Season reprint.
The art reminds me of adventure time, of course I had to get it! I’ll also keep it together for casual games with mates, even if it is a dumpster fire and only wins 10% of the games, it doesn’t bother me, I’m just happy to be able to purchase one :)
6:07 Tanuki balls, all over your cards!
*Prof turns and coughs* :D
15:20 Actually, Biovisionary will trigger at the beginning of the end step, so if you targeted it with a kicked Rite of Replication, you don't have to wait for everyone else at the table to take a turn before it wins you the game.
15:20 Biovisionary triggers on End Step, so you don't have to wait a full rotation. It's one the few alt. win cons that don't trigger on upkeep.
I built an Urtet deck, with a Gates mana base because budget. Then I learned about Maze's End. Then Helix Pinnacle, then Simic Ascendancy, then Millennium Calendar, then... well, I call this deck "wincon roulette" because these are all very doable with this army of Myr, it's just a question of what I draw.
Highly recommend that for a functional bit of insanity.
Kinda funny...even though it's not.
Prof: 'WotC could do this or that or hey, at least that.'
Wotc: 'Yeah whatever, we just do less with literally every new release and sometimes even charge more. LuL'
Thank you for always doing a lot to promote magic and help players in the community professor.
18:55 Haha - 20 ways to lose.
I skipped to the end to see the grades and got the accurate deck description too😂
Everyone forgets about the Angels precon when speaking about Secret Lair commander decks.
Lmao i own that and i forgot about it till i saw this 😅
As a Jenny who has purchased and played this deck, I love it and would never change it. (I also have like four other decks where mazes end is the only win con, so I am aware I am the minority :))))
They should make 20 Ways Wizards Screwed Everyone. At the back of my head, it would be extremely expensive because it contains the following: a couple of Companions, a vanilla Chronicles legend, a proxy 30th anniversary Power Nine card, a Nexus of Fate, Rick from Walking Dead, a sticker card, a Marvel superhero and random Reserved List proxies.
As a huge fan of tanuki's and a lot of money to usually spend, and in need of an excuse to play Go-Shintai, I think this is perfect for me to disassemble for its fun cards, and rebuild for Go-Shintai!
Biovisionary checks at end step, you don't have to wait through your opponents turns, you just have to survive instant speed removal.
I need that Go-Shintai art, but I'll wait to buy just the single.
Heck if u are using it as your commander u could easily get rhe thicc verison for cheaper aswell
@jacobguy3343 You're right! That's a great idea
Don't forget about putting Pariah on a creature that you put the Darksteel Mutation on, that's another way to "win".
But we get Sun Titan, so that is the only win I need.
Also, to be fair, the Biovisionary is an end of turn trigger, so you don't have to wait a turn cycle.
Tauren Mauler + Rite of Replication wouldn't work for Liliana's Contract since they need different names. Nexus is the only combination that gets you there.
Go-Shintai + Kicked Rite is like 30 shrines tokens, right?
Go shintai only counts itself (Tokens and clones with the same name count as seperate objects) and NON token shrines. Kicked Rite would make 5 Go Shintai tokens, who would make a total of 5 1/1 shrine tokens on etb and then die from the legend rule.
@@calicifierr1627 yep, missed that non-token part. Thanks.
I can't believe Prof had the balls to not use the new Secret Lair alert in this video.
I actually bought this deck. I liked the reprint value, art, and it's the kind of thing my boyfriend will love playing with (complete jank and alt wincons).
I think a shuffle up and play video with only secret layer decks would be really fun! I believe there is 5 decks so we could have every one except the heads I win, tails you lose deck since we have already seen it perform on shuffle up and play.
Feel like this deck is absolutely ideal for taking apart, and making 2-3 or more different decks that'll run more efficiently
Thank you, boss! I almost spent £150 in (not) 20 ways to win.
I will get Hail, Caesar, Veloci-ramp-tor, and Urza's Iron Alliance instead.
Prof and team, you saved me! I'm looking forward to this drop and missed the notification email but I was still able to pick one up because you released your video 😁
I remember getting the last, “Premium,” Commander decks. The tokens were not double sided foil like every other foil token.
I got this deck for a more casual yet fun experience, it will be an endless workshop. I’m definitely cutting biovisionary and Liliana.
After having played w the deck myself, id say its not nearly as clunky as youd think and pretty solid cards
"I will someday" IS THE PROFESSOR BUYING HASBRO?
Thanks I really didn't know anything about this deck. It came out of left field.
My own experience was fairly good, I had forgotten until late in the day and ordered at 5 pm MST AZ, I ordered two decks and the whole affair took less than three minutes.
Fun fact: this is also Prof's audition tape for the role of Bobby Singer in the upcoming Supernatural reboot.
Even though the price tag sucks id like to point out all the secret lair decks are all currently worth well over what they were originally selling for so you can argue that long term their is a lot of value. As for playabilty ive played they hell out of all the secret laor decks and they all do fairly well. Even the cute to brute comes out of nowhere woth wins.
To me it's another puzzle piece, ontop of the Foundations Starter Collection and all the solid cards of the last few sets, for a newcomer to build a very profound deck right away.
It’s still available 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Yes
Ye, for a very good reaaon too
Look, I'm gonna be real, it's low powered perfect for super casual EDH. It's a good deck to play while chatting and not focusing solely on the game
Allright, but why would you spend $149.99 for that kind of deck. People are going to spend that much only because of the exclusive art and the cards' retail value; for anyone with a brink of sanity, actually playing with the deck is only going to be an afterthought.
Someone get this guy a "How to Juggle" book for Christmas!
7:18 I very much would have preferred an entire nonfoil deck. I don’t really like foils in my decks and even do 1:1 trades with my friends for their basic lands to get rid of my foil ones
Agreed, I find mtg cards to be especially ugly when in foil
I like this, I am a foil enjoyer and would love options for pre-blinged out decks. But, having the option opposite of that is even more important (both for non-foil enjoyers and for money reasons)
I keep seeing people forgetting that there was an Angel Secret Lair deck too
In Europe it costs even 164,99€ - Which is roughly around 173 USD.
So, yeah, no way. :)
"i will some day" about having control over secret lair some day is crazy
I'm so glad I didn't buy this. I was thinking of buying it just to play it in commander games, and you breaking this down for me professor as a fairly new player is incredible insightful. I truly thank you for saving me money.
Thanks for the reminder to breath! This was a fun video. See ya tomorrow!
This is the kind of deck idea my friends and I would have after a night deep in our cups and even then we'd realize it wouldn't work like we'd want
The way I look at secret lairs is this: If it hasn't sold out, I probably don't want it.
If it has sold out, then I can't get it anyway.
Win for me.
The "alt win con deck" is very buildable, but you generally want to stick to around 5 alt win cons, and want to pick ones that steer you toward similar strategies. 20 is way too many to ever make a cohesive deck that has a decent chance of winning with any of its wincons. That said I have an alt win con deck and I love the Tanuki art and this wasn't sold out earlier today so I got one...
I know the answer is no, but enjoy watching the Prof's videos regardless.
That smash bros animation when the deck fell just gave me a stroke
3:20 GAME-!
Haven't watched this yet, but I'm just gonna hope the result was yes. I just finished sleeving the deck to take for a spin and was looking into the enduring ideal it came with curious if the special edition printing will be worth more than the regular one.
Edit: I've watched it and the professor was right with twenty toed toad counting for 2 of the win conditions. The deck also comes with a list of all the win conditions, giving a name to each one reminiscent of a video game achievement. I agree the deck lacks any kind of cohesive strategy, but I'm hoping it'll at least be fun to play. If not, I can disassemble it. Also the commander's activated ability effects a total of 22 cards in the deck, making it not as bad as I thought when seeing the choice. I still think Kenrith would've been the better choice, but I'll give Go-Shintai a chance for a little bit at least.
I'm getting it and rebuilding it to focus only the win-cons with alternate art as well as to skim a few cards for other decks along the way.
This deck feels like when someone builds their first 5 colored deck and just auto includes all the good cards lol
i rushed to see if it was still available and yes it was, also just bought it imediatly cause it has my favorite commander of all time
EVERY SL commander deck has appreciated in value since its release its worth noting.
"Ramos, Dragon Engine" is a much better commander for this deck
I need to check if my brother still has his old Alternate Wincon deck.
Updating that with some of the more recent cards (many of which are reprinted here) could be fun.
I LOVE The art of the tanuki cards. But yeah i wish it was 20 tanuki art cards. Then the price would have felt plausibly right. But rn it feels nuts
Im probably just gonna proxy the whole thing tbh. Hecking secret lair things…
Came here to watch this after seeing a Maze's End win condition met. Using Maze's End to fetch the gates and Circuitous Route as a one use alternate card to help push quicker is a low chance of it happening... but now I'm wanting to just have all Gates in an all color deck just to make things interesting 😅
The raccoon arts is cute as hell, but damn. The whole deck is just clusterfuk of wincons without synergy.
The epitome of WotCs not caring about playability, it has written "Selling Singles" all over the place.
The revel in riches is the best part of this.
Making opponent scoop at instant speed is always way to win #1.
😂😂Those tanuki jokes got me.
You don’t have to wait for your opponents to take a turn for a biovisionary win, it’s on your own end step
Thanks! I was waiting for this video!
Ordered it before watching the video, time to find out if that was a good idea lol
Lol oops