thanks Graeme - very educative! The professional barefoot trimmer that trimmed our mare every 6 weeks (she's out of irons for 6 years) always answered our question (why can't she walk on gravelly/rocky ground etc...?) in the same way: it's the meadows fault. I decided sth had to change ;) and started educating myself and then carefully gave it a go. After learning all the theory it's learning by doing i'd say - carefully of course - but nobody can save you the effort of getting a good feel with the rasp/knife etc and also a feel for the hoof. After a while i found the hoof like 'talks' to me. I somehow feel what has to be done now. And here we are, 6 months later, the mare can be ridden everywhere now, trot, galopp on gravel - she's fine :) hooves look so good now but are still getting better each month ;) THANKS to you too Graeme because you contributed to my own development too :)
That's wonderful to hear! Good for you to pick up the tools to make your horse's life better. There are a lot of times it just takes a dedicated owner to fill in the gaps that a professional on a schedule can't do or lacks an education to get done correctly. This is exactly why I started to learn as I couldn't stand the answers my farrier gave me of "that's just the way it is".
How do you treat this? Take more off the front? I’m not sure how the new trimmings affected the slope of the hoof above the crease. But that’s another video lol. Thank you. So informative.
Trimming correctly to the right point stops the mechanical leverage that is causing the flare in the first place. Like cutting your nails so you don't pull them off by accident.
Can you please explain trimming the bars? I have had some people tell me to trim them all the way back and I have seen others leaving the bars. Would you be able to do a video on bars?
I think I have done quite a few trim videos here. More or less you're going to want to bring them close to the level of the sole with an inside bevel (adjacent to the frog, not the other way around). That all depends though if they were laid over, have stuff stuck in them etc. If you check the hoof trimming playlist, there should be some full trims in there: ua-cam.com/video/J9uxgIQzhsY/v-deo.html and I also did a full course on trimming too: myhorsecoach.com/courses/horse-hoof-trimming-101/
Thank you, this is very good pedagogy to understand the process with graphics. I remember another one you did last year to explain the anatomy of the hoof. But how can a horse walk with what looks like "flat feet" ? It must be painful as it is not a normal position on the ground.
Yes, it is painful. Then they get "diagnosed" with "navicular disease" and put back into shoes and then they die young due to human caused lameness. Very very common.
That said, there are more and more people trying to educate the owners so they force their farriers to get back to the books and understand hooves properly. It's working, there are far more people and horses that are coming out of shoes and getting into boots or barefoot and saving their feet.
@@StableHorseTraining most probably as knowledge progresses, things improve with education and it is also in the farriers' own interest to do a proper job. Many horses have problems because of incorrect work on their feet by farriers. There is a french girl on YT whose horse keeps having abcesses in his hooves and instead of having proper vet's advice, she keeps having shoes on and off, as he limps, wraps her horse's foot in a bandage till the abcess disappears to come back months later in a different foot. This drives me mad. In spite of being warned of a serious septic risk, she goes on with same farrier.
That is an absolutely perfect example of the typical uneducated farrier that continues on with the "traditional" style of trimming and shoeing. It just boggles my mind how they don't want to or can't learn new concepts as they watch the horses in their care either stay in poor shape or even steadily get worse. What amazes me even more is how they convince owners to stay with them... It's up to owners to educate themselves at this point and there is no excuse any more not to as there are tons of videos and articles out there covering this material. I'm just trying to make it even easier to understand as I've never seen anybody use 3D to get the visuals done.
Love it! Wow, this 3D graphics are worth a thousand words :) Very informative! 🤓 Thank you for posting this, Graeme! 👍 Just wondering… Once a horse has been shoed, is it easily possible to go back to barefoot? Is there any truth to using shoes as “corrective measures”? My understanding is that poor trimming is the main culprit for structural problems with hooves (not talking about other problems being brought on by humidity and poor stall maintenance, just the physics). Thank you!
My pleasure! Once a horse has been trimmed (typically by most farriers) to fit a shoe, it will take months to reverse just that damage. The hoof nails are usually put up as high as possible in the hoof which takes a long time to grow out even if it's freshly done. If the process has been going on for months or even years, it can take just as long to remove the damage done for many many reasons. I don't believe a shoe is "corrective" at all and is only destructive.
In this video and the one about run under hooves you made it appears that you model the toe and heels of a hoof wall grow under the same angle. This seems to be a prevailing myth in the farrier community. If you look at the hooves of wild horses they all have a difference between toe and heel angles (from the top of my had this can be as much as 10 degrees). I don't mean to say that run under hooves don't exist, because they do. but without the difference in growth angle they wouldn't exist. If the walls are left too long and are due to circumstances (sugars, habitat, injuries or bad hoofcare practices) subjugated to unnatural wear and laminitic growth characteristics these angels can become extreme, i.e. run under. Just like the ones you show as the "bad hooves" in the model. But looking at your models i believe the second to last model to be the most accurate model, where as the parallel heel/toe model is too over simplified. You may find this interesting to look into. My working theory for the existence of the difference in angle is that just before impact healthy horse tip their toes up. This makes the heels touch ground first, and therefor are also MOST responsible for stopping any forward motion. By having a greater angle this places the fibers that make up the hoof more in line with the forces applied on the hoof. And just like you said, this is the orientation in which the fibers are strongest. Anyway, the idea of using 3d models to explain hooves is really interesting and one i may end up using when explaining problems to my clients. Good work!
If it's as much as 10 degrees, that horse has issues. I would not be encouraging people to have that, nor to look at that as if it's healthy. Just because they are wild, doesn't mean they are healthy. I think that is where you may have fallen for the "myth" in the barefoot world. I don't think this video was for you in the end as you've walked away with nothing from it other than a desire to disprove it. Oh well :) Anyways, you have a lot to teach and not learn anymore, maybe start your own channel?
@@StableHorseTraining i never said i didn't have a lot to learn. Because i do, everyone does, as long as there are horses with hoof problems there are things to learn. And i dont want to discredit your video because you gave a lot of really good information. It is just this one thing (on which we can also agree to disagree) i wanted to point out. I never meant to offend you. And i agree, the wild horse doesnt necessarily have good hooves. For example the "wild" horses here in the netherlands suffer terribly from laminitis. And i may be wrong with my 10 degrees, this was a number from the top of my head, i should definetly look the more accurate values up. I am sorry if i offended you, that definitely wasnt my intention. I just hoped to inform or trigger your curiosity.
@@klunkmenno No worries, I'm not offended. Lots of people come here to tell me their take and what I should think of or do different. You just happen to be another stranger in the world with a keyboard wanting to tell somebody what they should and/or think different based on your own studies. You might not get the desired effect you want going about things like that :) Good luck!
To understand more about the heels in hooves, check this video out: ua-cam.com/video/kGtcangC_8Q/v-deo.html
thanks Graeme - very educative! The professional barefoot trimmer that trimmed our mare every 6 weeks (she's out of irons for 6 years) always answered our question (why can't she walk on gravelly/rocky ground etc...?) in the same way: it's the meadows fault. I decided sth had to change ;) and started educating myself and then carefully gave it a go. After learning all the theory it's learning by doing i'd say - carefully of course - but nobody can save you the effort of getting a good feel with the rasp/knife etc and also a feel for the hoof. After a while i found the hoof like 'talks' to me. I somehow feel what has to be done now. And here we are, 6 months later, the mare can be ridden everywhere now, trot, galopp on gravel - she's fine :) hooves look so good now but are still getting better each month ;) THANKS to you too Graeme because you contributed to my own development too :)
That's wonderful to hear! Good for you to pick up the tools to make your horse's life better. There are a lot of times it just takes a dedicated owner to fill in the gaps that a professional on a schedule can't do or lacks an education to get done correctly. This is exactly why I started to learn as I couldn't stand the answers my farrier gave me of "that's just the way it is".
3D makes it easier for those of us who don't even own 🐎🐎, yet. Thank you so much Graeme!!! Cheers from South America 🌈
My pleasure!
Fantastic video, you sir, are a wealth of knowledge.
Thanks!
Great info about the hoof. Thank you. 👍
Thank you for sharing your knowledge of the hoof
My pleasure!
How do you treat this? Take more off the front? I’m not sure how the new trimmings affected the slope of the hoof above the crease. But that’s another video lol. Thank you. So informative.
Trimming correctly to the right point stops the mechanical leverage that is causing the flare in the first place. Like cutting your nails so you don't pull them off by accident.
Great video and the content is very educational
Glad you enjoyed it
Can you please explain trimming the bars? I have had some people tell me to trim them all the way back and I have seen others leaving the bars. Would you be able to do a video on bars?
I think I have done quite a few trim videos here. More or less you're going to want to bring them close to the level of the sole with an inside bevel (adjacent to the frog, not the other way around). That all depends though if they were laid over, have stuff stuck in them etc. If you check the hoof trimming playlist, there should be some full trims in there: ua-cam.com/video/J9uxgIQzhsY/v-deo.html and I also did a full course on trimming too: myhorsecoach.com/courses/horse-hoof-trimming-101/
What is the program you're using?
Blender
Thank you, this is very good pedagogy to understand the process with graphics. I remember another one you did last year to explain the anatomy of the hoof. But how can a horse walk with what looks like "flat feet" ? It must be painful as it is not a normal position on the ground.
Yes, it is painful. Then they get "diagnosed" with "navicular disease" and put back into shoes and then they die young due to human caused lameness. Very very common.
@@StableHorseTraining thank you Graeme. Poor things..
That said, there are more and more people trying to educate the owners so they force their farriers to get back to the books and understand hooves properly. It's working, there are far more people and horses that are coming out of shoes and getting into boots or barefoot and saving their feet.
@@StableHorseTraining most probably as knowledge progresses, things improve with education and it is also in the farriers' own interest to do a proper job. Many horses have problems because of incorrect work on their feet by farriers. There is a french girl on YT whose horse keeps having abcesses in his hooves and instead of having proper vet's advice, she keeps having shoes on and off, as he limps, wraps her horse's foot in a bandage till the abcess disappears to come back months later in a different foot. This drives me mad. In spite of being warned of a serious septic risk, she goes on with same farrier.
That is an absolutely perfect example of the typical uneducated farrier that continues on with the "traditional" style of trimming and shoeing. It just boggles my mind how they don't want to or can't learn new concepts as they watch the horses in their care either stay in poor shape or even steadily get worse. What amazes me even more is how they convince owners to stay with them... It's up to owners to educate themselves at this point and there is no excuse any more not to as there are tons of videos and articles out there covering this material. I'm just trying to make it even easier to understand as I've never seen anybody use 3D to get the visuals done.
Love it! Wow, this 3D graphics are worth a thousand words :) Very informative! 🤓 Thank you for posting this, Graeme! 👍
Just wondering… Once a horse has been shoed, is it easily possible to go back to barefoot? Is there any truth to using shoes as “corrective measures”? My understanding is that poor trimming is the main culprit for structural problems with hooves (not talking about other problems being brought on by humidity and poor stall maintenance, just the physics). Thank you!
My pleasure!
Once a horse has been trimmed (typically by most farriers) to fit a shoe, it will take months to reverse just that damage. The hoof nails are usually put up as high as possible in the hoof which takes a long time to grow out even if it's freshly done. If the process has been going on for months or even years, it can take just as long to remove the damage done for many many reasons. I don't believe a shoe is "corrective" at all and is only destructive.
@@StableHorseTraining Thank you so much for the reply! That is so unfortunate, that it will take months to undo… 🥺
In this video and the one about run under hooves you made it appears that you model the toe and heels of a hoof wall grow under the same angle. This seems to be a prevailing myth in the farrier community. If you look at the hooves of wild horses they all have a difference between toe and heel angles (from the top of my had this can be as much as 10 degrees). I don't mean to say that run under hooves don't exist, because they do. but without the difference in growth angle they wouldn't exist. If the walls are left too long and are due to circumstances (sugars, habitat, injuries or bad hoofcare practices) subjugated to unnatural wear and laminitic growth characteristics these angels can become extreme, i.e. run under. Just like the ones you show as the "bad hooves" in the model. But looking at your models i believe the second to last model to be the most accurate model, where as the parallel heel/toe model is too over simplified. You may find this interesting to look into. My working theory for the existence of the difference in angle is that just before impact healthy horse tip their toes up. This makes the heels touch ground first, and therefor are also MOST responsible for stopping any forward motion. By having a greater angle this places the fibers that make up the hoof more in line with the forces applied on the hoof. And just like you said, this is the orientation in which the fibers are strongest.
Anyway, the idea of using 3d models to explain hooves is really interesting and one i may end up using when explaining problems to my clients. Good work!
If it's as much as 10 degrees, that horse has issues. I would not be encouraging people to have that, nor to look at that as if it's healthy. Just because they are wild, doesn't mean they are healthy. I think that is where you may have fallen for the "myth" in the barefoot world. I don't think this video was for you in the end as you've walked away with nothing from it other than a desire to disprove it. Oh well :)
Anyways, you have a lot to teach and not learn anymore, maybe start your own channel?
@@StableHorseTraining i never said i didn't have a lot to learn. Because i do, everyone does, as long as there are horses with hoof problems there are things to learn. And i dont want to discredit your video because you gave a lot of really good information. It is just this one thing (on which we can also agree to disagree) i wanted to point out. I never meant to offend you. And i agree, the wild horse doesnt necessarily have good hooves. For example the "wild" horses here in the netherlands suffer terribly from laminitis. And i may be wrong with my 10 degrees, this was a number from the top of my head, i should definetly look the more accurate values up.
I am sorry if i offended you, that definitely wasnt my intention. I just hoped to inform or trigger your curiosity.
@@klunkmenno No worries, I'm not offended. Lots of people come here to tell me their take and what I should think of or do different. You just happen to be another stranger in the world with a keyboard wanting to tell somebody what they should and/or think different based on your own studies. You might not get the desired effect you want going about things like that :) Good luck!