I keep coming back to this video for inspiration. Even though in know the crashes are coming and you succeed in the end, it breaks my heart each time it rolls over. Fantastic build, I hope to see more one day!
What a superb video Beady, its a great feeling getting an autogyro into the air for the first time, even better when its all your own work. I appreciate the determination it takes to pick yourself up after many mishaps. Respect!
I just stubled upon your channel, and watched a few videos. I really enjoyed watching you try to get the autogyro to fly, and am impressed with the quality of your videos, as well as the extent of your documentation on your experience making the autogyro
Great flight in the end well done for persevering with it. From what I've seen on line the hang angle should be approx 16°-18°. Also only use one fixing point on each blade like a helicopter that way you will reduce damage to the blades if it goes wrong. By doing this on my HK Auto G I have saved the blades may a time. Good luck.
The properties of aero forces do not lend themselves to exact scaled response across sizes of say Insects to model airplane to man-carrying scales. I happened to have access to a very complete sets of model airplane magazines from the fifties in the sixties. SCALE and how to achieve “scale” to a model’s performance was a BIG question - allowances had to be made...... I real like your workmanship and esprit...stiff upper lip, carry on ! and all that rot, ol’Boy !!! from a gringo; that’s been there and still persists, good SHOW !
Perseverance always pays off, bravo to you for the courage and the time spent, me after two or three crashes I would have put everything in a box 😎😂depuis j'espère que tu as travaillé l'atterrissage 🥴😎
Ya stalled it on takeoff with a very steep angle of attack!!! Thats a nice lookin gyrocoper model! Could you please explain to my how the flight controls work to make it fly??? Are your main rotor blades set at a "pre-fixed pitch" or can ya adjust them like on the collective pitch of a helcopter??? Begine your pre-rotation of your main rotor blades & ger them up to speed before ya start your rolling takeoff. Disengage the pre-rotater this go go for it
Hi Rodney, thanks. The blades are fixed at around -1 degree. The head of the autogiro tips left and right for roll and the forwards and backwards for pitch (up and down). There is a rudder for yaw control. You are spot on with the takeoff procedure.👍 The steep angle of attack was induced by the auto gyro incorrect balance point. I was unable to control the autogiro at any point with the failed launches even by putting in full down, that’s my story anyway 😆. Thanks for watching👍
@@corbett109 Youre welcome & thankya very much for your reply back. I hope ya can find the correct balance point issue for a nice, produvtive takeoff, flight, & landing!
Well I'm in the house watching UA-cam because of lockdown and being ill, I've been watching a few auto gyro videos and your one popped up!! 10 out of 10 for perseverance!! I was chuffed when it flew successfully👍 and being the proud crasher of many a model Helicopter I know how much damage a simple spill can cause!! Any way great video I've also subscribed and have embarked on watching you complete build series!! It's like a Netflix box set.👍😄
😀Ha, thanks. Good luck with watching the earlier build videos. Bit like pulling teeth😂. I realised after a few videos that more editing made for a more watchable experience!! Thanks for the Subscription. Hope you get well soon👍
Thanks well as a fellow UA-camr we all learn as we go along, my channel started as a video log of my Model Helicopter flying but over the years has evolved and I've now got 680 subscribers and friends all over the world, I've watched up to part 10 ans have enjoyed it so far Lol 👍Thanks for replying to my comment😄
I fly real gyros like this so i love to see rc models of gyros. A couple of things that ive been thinking about that might or might not help. Gyros are VERY stick free stable but almost neutral stability in stick fixed stability. That is dont touch and they want to fly in a stable fashion. Servo motors mean you are always flyimg stick fixed. We fly with largely with pressure rather than big movments most of the time. So im wondering if you had like somewhat flexible linkage you might achieve more control. The other simple thing is because gyros have very high cg we generally 3 degrees downthrust on the motor. Those that dont require a pitch change everytime power is applied. Lastly with wood rotors like all wings chord wise balance is important. Normally 25 % but i have fliwn on wood rotors that were slightly overbalanced (nose heavy) you cant go too far or you will get weave but these were a bit over they were rock solid boring even. You xould try that. Good luck.
Hi Cameron, thanks for watching and loving the suggestions. I will build a set of blades with the cg more at 25%. My last blades were more around 33%. 👍
@@corbett109 no worries aft balance 33% of you fly too much tail weight they become twitch like balancing a broomstick on the end of your finger. A little forward is more stable too much and they become unresponsive. Im not sure to what extend the blades scale in behaviour but its a pretty big model so you are probably seeing some of the same behaviours. Your wheel balance is really important to. I used to fly a direct drive VW Bensen style gyro. I could get off in half the distsmce of many at my club with lighter more powerful gyros. I used to put it down to superior training and technique but one bloke was having trouble getting airborne in 500m and it was a light gyro. Couldnt work it out check head angles all sorts then i saw his parked next to mine his nose was on the ground. Mine was sitting on the tail until id get in. I lifted his nose and it was damn heavy. It dawned on me his axle was several inches further back than mine. So my blades would lift the nose sooner. This gave an extra 3 or 4 degrees on the disk. You then bring the nose forward but that extra few degrees makes a huge difference in time to wind up. I could get off between 1/2 and 1/3 these guys take off run. Little things make a huge difference. The downthrust is really important too. Easy to adjust id imagine. Again not sure how applicable this all is on a model gyro. Somewhat i imagine but flexability of rotors extra is probably not exactly the same.
You put winglets on the rudder that’s not the rudder No wonder you crash it you gotta use that right writer on take off will you be building more rotor blades?
Hi Mister how r u? I have some doubts. I kindly request u to plz teach me. How to find cg and how to fix it on gyrocopter? I have built 4 real aircraft and still flying with it..now I m building a gyro.so if u lead me,i l get success.plz give me your hans ....
mash Ebi there are different positions for centre of gravity depending on what type of autogyro you have. My CG is just in front of the thrust line of the rotors and just below the thrust line of the motor. As you can see in the video it took some finding:)
Hello. Congratulations on your successful big pusher. I was wondering what the small box attached to the rotor mast is. Is that a rate gyro for enhancing stability? If so, is it for roll, pitch or yaw stability, or all three axis?
Hi Emilio, thanks. The box is actually the electronic ignition unit for the engine. I put it there to keep it away from the receiver in case of interference. It doesn’t have a gyro. Thanks for watching👍
Somehow, after the maiden/ crash.. I felt an urge to say "Nugget" "my pukcell" and "1 Grit"... Very nice project, for the maiden the headspeed was too low.. but you already know that. Most autogyro crashes are caused by this, best case it just tips over, worst case... death. Not on RC though, which is a pro.
Hi Umar, here is the link to the video with the blades being built. ua-cam.com/video/syZJlqpO-KI/v-deo.html the profile itself is just taken off the web. I just traced the profile onto a piece of wood and cut it out. 👍
That take off looks all to familiar :-( I think you need to put rubber damping in the head to limit the amount of teeter that it has and I can't answer the question of how much teeter. I am at about the same stage as you figuring it out on my own sucks. Did you pull it off of the ground ? I made these comments as I watched the video maybe I should have waited LOL
It only took about 15 evenings to build but it took several attempts to fly. Each failed attempt costing a couple of evenings of rebuilding. I probably spent the same amount of time on the videos as I did building it.😁👍
You really stuck with it! As founder of AUTOGYRO Company of Arizona (late ‘90’s), can fully appreciate all the hard work and determination. Congrats!
Thanks Steve. Hard work, determination and the internet! 😁
Belle mise au point avec une progression vers le succès 👍👍👍
A most top engineering effort . Fabulous determination Brilliant !!!
Finally it flies, I didn't believe it anymore. Bravo
Well done, all the hard work pays off even if it flies for a few minutes, it makes it worth it. Keep Flying
Great stuff!!
Very Cool. You did a great job. Thanks for sharing.
Patrick from Bethesda, Maryland, USA
Thanks Patrick. Took a bit but I got there in the end.😁
1 Mississippi of no tail rotor sucked!!!
Nice build!!!
never give up👍
Awesome, great job 👍👍😎
I keep coming back to this video for inspiration. Even though in know the crashes are coming and you succeed in the end, it breaks my heart each time it rolls over. Fantastic build, I hope to see more one day!
Thanks Laiza. 👍
Great video - it's ALL in the going forward AND UPWARD !
....having been there and a struggle some days - then success is all the SWEETER.
😆👍
Congrats on your successful flights.
Congrats for your flight, your work is a success, from scratch to a flying machine, a winner, best wishes from Argentina, Jose
Thanks for watching.🍻
Brilliant!
Amazing... The true meaning of "if at first you don't succeed...."
Just needs a sweet fiberglass body now.
Cheers Crezz. Will be good to get some more flights on it and check it’s full flight envelope.
pro tip : you can watch movies at Flixzone. Been using it for watching all kinds of movies recently.
@Karter Draven definitely, been using Flixzone for years myself :D
What a superb video Beady, its a great feeling getting an autogyro into the air for the first time, even better when its all your own work. I appreciate the determination it takes to pick yourself up after many mishaps. Respect!
Thanks. It was a really great feeling to see it finally flying (even if it was a real handful because of the rates). Definitely worth the effort.👍
Great blade work station mate !
I would have gone with 6 deg's seems the perfect medium.
Many crashes but you dont desist ... !!! Top Of the TOP
Proof that perseverance will prevail in the end. As i know only too well. Nice one i like that one 👍
Thanks Stephen. Loving your lidl autogyro. I’m a huge Lidl glider fan.
@@corbett109 Thanks for watching, I thought i would try something different this year .
My Lidl AutoGyro bounces a bit better than yours LoL.
Very nice
Thanks
I think a wider chord And a little less span. That said the pioneers to several trips and a few live, brilliant!!!!!!!!
I think you are right but I wanted a scale ish looking blade.👍
Admire your persistence
I just stubled upon your channel, and watched a few videos. I really enjoyed watching you try to get the autogyro to fly, and am impressed with the quality of your videos, as well as the extent of your documentation on your experience making the autogyro
Kent C Straight thanks. Glad you enjoyed it. Hopefully get a better flying video when the weather gets a bit warmer.
I have enjoyed your videos.....congrats on getting her in the air!!!!
Thanks Dave, was quite a mission, but good fun all the same.
Great flight in the end well done for persevering with it.
From what I've seen on line the hang angle should be approx 16°-18°.
Also only use one fixing point on each blade like a helicopter that way you will reduce damage to the blades if it goes wrong.
By doing this on my HK Auto G
I have saved the blades may a time.
Good luck.
Well done!!!!
Thanks Dave, hopefully going to enjoy more flights this summer.
The properties of aero forces do not lend themselves to exact scaled response across sizes of say Insects to model airplane to man-carrying scales.
I happened to have access to a very complete sets of model airplane magazines from the fifties in the sixties. SCALE and how to achieve “scale” to a model’s performance was a BIG question - allowances had to be made......
I real like your workmanship and esprit...stiff upper lip, carry on ! and all that rot, ol’Boy !!!
from a gringo; that’s been there and still persists, good SHOW !
😆thanks
BRAVO !!!
Perseverance always pays off, bravo to you for the courage and the time spent, me after two or three crashes I would have put everything in a box 😎😂depuis j'espère que tu as travaillé l'atterrissage 🥴😎
👍😁
Crash rinse repeat.👍
I’d be calling that gyro weed eater lol
🤣 Thanks for the comments. Hope you enjoyed watching👍
Ya stalled it on takeoff with a very steep angle of attack!!! Thats a nice lookin gyrocoper model! Could you please explain to my how the flight controls work to make it fly??? Are your main rotor blades set at a "pre-fixed pitch" or can ya adjust them like on the collective pitch of a helcopter??? Begine your pre-rotation of your main rotor blades & ger them up to speed before ya start your rolling takeoff. Disengage the pre-rotater this go go for it
Hi Rodney, thanks. The blades are fixed at around -1 degree. The head of the autogiro tips left and right for roll and the forwards and backwards for pitch (up and down). There is a rudder for yaw control. You are spot on with the takeoff procedure.👍 The steep angle of attack was induced by the auto gyro incorrect balance point. I was unable to control the autogiro at any point with the failed launches even by putting in full down, that’s my story anyway 😆. Thanks for watching👍
@@corbett109 Youre welcome & thankya very much for your reply back. I hope ya can find the correct balance point issue for a nice, produvtive takeoff, flight, & landing!
Your great men 👍
Well I'm in the house watching UA-cam because of lockdown and being ill, I've been watching a few auto gyro videos and your one popped up!! 10 out of 10 for perseverance!! I was chuffed when it flew successfully👍 and being the proud crasher of many a model Helicopter I know how much damage a simple spill can cause!! Any way great video I've also subscribed and have embarked on watching you complete build series!! It's like a Netflix box set.👍😄
😀Ha, thanks. Good luck with watching the earlier build videos. Bit like pulling teeth😂. I realised after a few videos that more editing made for a more watchable experience!! Thanks for the Subscription. Hope you get well soon👍
Thanks well as a fellow UA-camr we all learn as we go along, my channel started as a video log of my Model Helicopter flying but over the years has evolved and I've now got 680 subscribers and friends all over the world, I've watched up to part 10 ans have enjoyed it so far Lol 👍Thanks for replying to my comment😄
I fly real gyros like this so i love to see rc models of gyros. A couple of things that ive been thinking about that might or might not help.
Gyros are VERY stick free stable but almost neutral stability in stick fixed stability. That is dont touch and they want to fly in a stable fashion.
Servo motors mean you are always flyimg stick fixed. We fly with largely with pressure rather than big movments most of the time. So im wondering if you had like somewhat flexible linkage you might achieve more control.
The other simple thing is because gyros have very high cg we generally 3 degrees downthrust on the motor. Those that dont require a pitch change everytime power is applied.
Lastly with wood rotors like all wings chord wise balance is important. Normally 25 % but i have fliwn on wood rotors that were slightly overbalanced (nose heavy) you cant go too far or you will get weave but these were a bit over they were rock solid boring even. You xould try that. Good luck.
Hi Cameron, thanks for watching and loving the suggestions. I will build a set of blades with the cg more at 25%. My last blades were more around 33%. 👍
@@corbett109 no worries aft balance 33% of you fly too much tail weight they become twitch like balancing a broomstick on the end of your finger. A little forward is more stable too much and they become unresponsive. Im not sure to what extend the blades scale in behaviour but its a pretty big model so you are probably seeing some of the same behaviours.
Your wheel balance is really important to.
I used to fly a direct drive VW Bensen style gyro. I could get off in half the distsmce of many at my club with lighter more powerful gyros. I used to put it down to superior training and technique but one bloke was having trouble getting airborne in 500m and it was a light gyro. Couldnt work it out check head angles all sorts then i saw his parked next to mine his nose was on the ground. Mine was sitting on the tail until id get in. I lifted his nose and it was damn heavy. It dawned on me his axle was several inches further back than mine. So my blades would lift the nose sooner. This gave an extra 3 or 4 degrees on the disk. You then bring the nose forward but that extra few degrees makes a huge difference in time to wind up. I could get off between 1/2 and 1/3 these guys take off run. Little things make a huge difference.
The downthrust is really important too. Easy to adjust id imagine.
Again not sure how applicable this all is on a model gyro. Somewhat i imagine but flexability of rotors extra is probably not exactly the same.
You put winglets on the rudder that’s not the rudder No wonder you crash it you gotta use that right writer on take off will you be building more rotor blades?
One thing I learned quickly is not to use too much up elevator on takeoff. It made all the difference.
Zero Negativity I agree. My successful launch eventually pretty much took off itself. Thanks for watching.
very good
Congrats man, your hard work got success.... But your disk loading seems too high....
Fantastic vid glad you percivered with it, so was it cg or pitch angle
Joe Mason Thanks. Just CG 😁
Rotors needs to be trimmed to reduce torque
would be nice if you put a camera on board ,
Hey hero who r u man..fantastic...love u and your stability...👌👌 u have done another level...chance less
😆Hero :) Thanks man. Gunna try and make it look a bit better at some point. 👍 thanks for watching.
Hi Mister how r u?
I have some doubts. I kindly request u to plz teach me.
How to find cg and how to fix it on gyrocopter?
I have built 4 real aircraft and still flying with it..now I m building a gyro.so if u lead me,i l get success.plz give me your hans ....
mash Ebi there are different positions for centre of gravity depending on what type of autogyro you have. My CG is just in front of the thrust line of the rotors and just below the thrust line of the motor. As you can see in the video it took some finding:)
Hello. Congratulations on your successful big pusher. I was wondering what the small box attached to the rotor mast is. Is that a rate gyro for enhancing stability? If so, is it for roll, pitch or yaw stability, or all three axis?
Hi Emilio, thanks. The box is actually the electronic ignition unit for the engine. I put it there to keep it away from the receiver in case of interference. It doesn’t have a gyro. Thanks for watching👍
I have been flying for 40+ yrs. it’s always better to stand at the side and not behind the plane for maiden flight. Too many reasons to state here.
Somehow, after the maiden/ crash.. I felt an urge to say "Nugget" "my pukcell" and "1 Grit"...
Very nice project, for the maiden the headspeed was too low.. but you already know that. Most autogyro crashes are caused by this, best case it just tips over, worst case... death. Not on RC though, which is a pro.
😂 Thanks
Nice flight .can share the video how to make blade profile. Thanks
Hi Umar, here is the link to the video with the blades being built. ua-cam.com/video/syZJlqpO-KI/v-deo.html the profile itself is just taken off the web. I just traced the profile onto a piece of wood and cut it out. 👍
That take off looks all to familiar :-( I think you need to put rubber damping in the head to limit the amount of teeter that it has and I can't answer the question of how much teeter. I am at about the same stage as you figuring it out on my own sucks. Did you pull it off of the ground ? I made these comments as I watched the video maybe I should have waited LOL
Hi John, I’m pretty sure all my crashes were due to Center of gravity. Horizontal not vertical. Good luck with yours👍
It looks like you put a lot of work into building it. How long did it take to build?
It only took about 15 evenings to build but it took several attempts to fly. Each failed attempt costing a couple of evenings of rebuilding. I probably spent the same amount of time on the videos as I did building it.😁👍
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10 👍
You have used by FAR to much power on your pusher motor and the rotor has much to high pitch!
Wing tip things are on the horizontal stabilizer NOT the rudder!!!