The Most Underrated Video Game of the Last Decade
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- Опубліковано 19 бер 2024
- There's no shortage of amazing games that were not met with the financial success they deserved. But which one has the greatest split between artistic excellence and sales?
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Talos 1 was, to me, less of a game and more of an existential experience. I can't put into words how I felt playing it and reading the terminals, its special to me.
I felt the same
Thank you for saying the name of the game.
Yes it is an experience.. did you know all the numbers sprinkled all over the terminal entries are ASCII codes and can be converted to text? They fill in more bits of the back story
Both Psychonauts games got railed by underwhelming sales and I'll never not be upset about it.
It's their fault for not advertising them both times. I was waiting for the 2nd one to come out and had no idea it was out until I saw it on the steam list for recent releases
Isn't it for children?
Psychonauts is very much aimed at teens at up - you play as a kid, but you're dealing with worlds based on traumatized adult minds, albeit interpreted through a cartoony lens. The first game alone has three worlds based on very unstable people - Black Velvetopia is based on a painter who struggles with his violent and self-destuctive tendencies, Gloria's Theatre on a bipolar actress with a tragic upbringing, and of course, the Milkman Conspiracy is a idyllic neighbourhood full of spies that is twisted all up on itself in a literal reflection of the host's delusional and brainwashed psyche. Even the more mundane levels feature rather shocking secrets, like one of the teachers harbouring a deep-seated guilt over the accidental deaths of children she felt she was responsible for. It's not exactly junior school fare, but it's also not "adult themes" inherently.
@@BobisOnlyBob all due respect, but how is it not adult themes? What ARE adult themes then, sex and violence?
Psychonauts is too quirky in a good way to be popular. It’s one of those games that’s either beloved or ignored.
Talos Principle 2 was my first ever pre-order. And thankfully i didnt regret it. It was amazing. I even bought the digital artbook and soundtrack to further support the devs.
I spent first 3-4 hours just running around New Jerusalem talking to all the robots. It was so refreshing to have all the voiced characters, i loved it.
Thank you for this video. This game needs more love, its so differernt from the 1st game and that's what makes it special. The 1st game was about self, while the 2nd is more about society and our role in it.
It may have been a good purchase but still - never pre-order. For all our sakes...
Talos Principle series is a game that I will never forget. It was my game of the year when it first came out. The announcement of the second game had me questioning how it was going to happen.
Talos Principle 2 did not disappoint. It feels so surreal to see the fruits of labor from the efforts humanity made from the story of Talos 1, come to complete fruition.
Absolutely love where the writing went and of course the solid game play.
These games are masterpieces and I push them to everyone I talk to. They need to be experienced.
I love everything about the game, but the thing that catch me was the feeling of calm and loneliness.. it make me remember myst. Another gem of a game.
I believe it's made by the same developer :)
@@gozinta82 No, not at all
@@gozinta82 Yeah they are not. Myst is Cyan games. Talos is made by croteam. Nonetheless both are amazing games.
@@gozinta82 Talos is made by Croteam, most well known for the Serious Sam games of all things lol!
Outer Wilds!
I love how disobedience is a running theme in the series, much like how it is in many ancient creation myths.
Shortly after The Game Awards, I left a comment on their Discord mentioning that this game deserved to be there. Someone replied that it's already in our homes, which is what truly matters.
Talos 2, BG3, DOOM Eternal, and Elden Ring are the 4 S+ tier games of this decade so far. Talos 2 is a technical and game design marvel, BG 3 is the best RPG ever, DOOM Eternal has the best combat system ever put inside a game, and Elden Ring is the peak of open world design.
This game is something else, I played the first one and its DLC and it was brilliant, but now that I am playing the second one is on another level, I didn't think it was possible for them to deliver a sequel with this quality but they did, I was losing hope in humanity, but with this game my faith was restored, it's good to see that you are one of the few people who played this game.
Talos Principle is the most beautiful gaming experience I've ever had - the sequel was purchased on Day 1, but I'm still waiting for the right time to really just relax and enjoy.
Nice
Exactly like me 😊 I purchased TTP 2 on day 1 and waited for the right time to play, which for me started yesterday, so finally I started playing 🎉
I loved the first game and its incredible music. I had given up hope that we would ever get a sequel. Then out of nowhere like prometheus, it suddenly arrived. Loved the puzzles, especially the world puzzles. And a very interesting continuation of the story and philosophical discussions. It makes me sad it got burried in all the mainstream games. It deserves so much more.
Leaving a comment for visibility and because I want to commend you for this video. You did an awesome job discussing this amazing, underrated game. The Talos Principle 1 and 2 are both some of my favorite gaming experiences over the past year and I would recommend them to anyone who likes games and thought provoking narratives.
The first game is such a vibe, too. The Ancient Egypt and Ancient Greek/Roman architecture and setting is such an interesting atmosphere for the puzzles and contrasts the modern technology that is used throughout the game.
Talos Principle is very special it's an incredible experience both for gameplay and story/atmosphere
Another fantastic video, I think I will give both games a try. You always justify our support of you, thanks for your own optimism and insight.
That makes me so happy to hear! Get ready to have your life changed!
I love original TALOS... as much as this sequel answered many of the questions of the first one, other dilemmas emerged that might have answers in another sequel.
I love so much The Talos Principle franchise, not only from a game or philosophy perspective, but it is an experience that won't be repeated.
Thank you for this amazing video.
only negative i can say about Talos Principle II is that puzzles are too easy compared to the first one. Would love to spend more time solving them, unfortunatelly I could count challenging ones on one hand. I hope for a DLC wtih harder ones as was for the first game.
Both games are underrated, great, fun to play and I absolutely love the concept of semi-corrupted data with text that player have to translate for himself. I still remember scanning every QR code in the first game just to check if the in game translation is accurate and complete :)
I’d love a part 2. This series sounds incredible!
Crosscode.
Yes
^This.
"Why?"
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Ech, really? That game was very frustrating for me. What's the psychological or esoteric appeal?
Thalos Principle is one of the games that really cannot be forgotten once you truly experience it.
I still remember expecting a simple puzzle game and catching myself philosophically challenged in a discussion.
I remember one UA-cam creator making a video with other creators with a task of picking one game to represent the humanity. I couldn't think of a better game than Thalos Principle
I was so excited to see you doing a Talos Principle 2 video, since I just finished the game myself a little over a week ago.
I really don't get where you're coming from saying that Athena set up the Goal as something to be disobeyed. They make it very clear that Athena never meant for the plan to make 1000 humans to be a capital g "Goal", just something to aim for at the start of their society. The whole reason she left New Jerusalem was because other people had turned her into "The Leader" and that simple plan inti "The Goal," mythologizing her in the process. I'm pretty sure that in one of her logs she even says straight out that she never meant for it to be a stopping point.
Part two please! Also, thank you for introducing the game to me! I played both games after watching your video about TP1.
I love your videos dude, would love to see a part 2 to further explore the topic and the game !
Man, I'm aghast that this game only sold 240,000 copies! I was in the same boat, where I was excited that a sequel was coming out, but I was unsure how they could build upon it. And it went above and beyond in every aspect compared to the first one.
I quit gaming years ago, but watching your videos gets me the same feeling of playing, accompanied with lots of food for thought, which is my preference nowadays. Awesome job as always, greetings from Argentina 👌🏻✨🔥
The Talos Principle was already one of my favorite games of all time. The Talos Principle 2 is my absolute *favorite* game of all time. It gave me a faith in humanity I had never felt. The different perspectives of the cast constantly kept me thinking, kept me reevaluating my principles and reconsidering my values. Every single one of the main cast are some of my favorite characters ever, especially Byron and Yaqut. The puzzles were engaging in the extreme, never did I have a dull moment solving any of them. It arrived during a less-than-great time of my life and made me weep real tears of hope as I realized that life really could be beautiful, that life was worth living, that the world was worth improving, that people were worth believing in. That sheer optimism was something I desperately needed, and I hope to carry that with me until my dying breath.
One line Prometheus says after getting one of his stars stuck with me after the credits rolled. It went something like this: "Not everything needs to be balanced. When weighing good against evil, put your thumb on the scale."
That was beautiful, thank you for sharing! I hope things are going better in your life now!
I didn't even know there WAS a sequel... which probably didn't help. I'll remedy my error immediately.
I definitely would love to see a part two of this video (assuming it's worth it to you Max)
The philosophical concepts explored in this video and the Silent Hill series on your channel really are helping me come to terms with the validity of my existence.
It most definitely helps with the existentialism and makes me feel less alone at the end of the day.
We are either meaningless aberrations of chaos gone conscious, or there is a meaning giver that grounds our validity in something transcendent. I cannot accept the former, not only because I find it repugnant but more importantly I find it insufficient to explain the value we place upon ourselves, and morality, and logic, and beauty, and a hundred other critical factors that would be extremely unlikely in a purely materialist universe. Yahweh is what he is, and we are made to bear His image and name. This is the only true source of objective dignity and sacred worth we have.
When you said it is basically the puzzles from Portal (2) combined with the phylosophical depth of SOMA, my whole body shivered and my eyes teared up! Fantastic (and very accuracte) description for such a great game which is The Talos Principle.
I definitely was apprehensive of a sequel to the first game and I had no idea how they would follow up on its story but I was so impressed by how the second game handled it. I would love to hear you talk about it more Max.
Ôkami, kagerô deception 2 (+ trapt), drakan are criminally underrated I'd say.
I still need to play this. It’s on my backlog. It’s funny how you mentioned SMT - because I’d still put Digital Devil Saga as one of my top underrated games of all time. Especially since you have mentioned the philosophical implications of the nature of consciousness.
Hey friend, love your videos. I just want to put out there that without your videos I wouldn't be exposed to a lot of these video games, and in many of the cases I don't have the equipment to play them. Please don't be afraid to spoil anything, I love the way you paint a narrative.
Loved this, of course we need that part 2 video.
You said yourself, you do not want the game to fall into obscurity..
Part two is inevitable
7th playthrough of Baldur's Gate 3? Those are rookie numbers, son. You gotta bump those numbers up.
With you covering this game Max I'm surprised you haven't made a video on The Witness yet. I highly recommend it if you haven't checked it out already
Liking and saving this one for later as i haven't finished Talos2 yet😢. Talos 1 will forever be the pinnacle gaming experience in my heart, all the way up there with bloodborne and the playdead games... It may even be top1 because it's one of the rare games that embodies so much hope, rather than painting a hellscape to invoke contemplation.
So glad you finally got a chance to play the sequel. I was sure you'd love it.
I ADORE TTP2. I was just scrolling through my UA-cam recommends when I saw a channel playing it ... WAIT WHAT?? THERE'S A SECOND GAME?? And within 30 seconds it was downloading. I distinctly remember the progress marker saying 25% and I genuinely got sad that there was only 75% left. That right there is how you know it's a fuckin' banger of a game. I love my philosophy robots so much! A friend whomst I hadn't spoken to in a while, when he saw I was playing it, he said "Y'know when I heard Yaqut's voice, I thought of you!" and that's just ... so neat.
Thanks for the amazing video as always man! Love hearing your analysis on anything philosophy lol
I love that you mentioned Soma as well. I had played TP1 but didn't finish it and last week purchased both TP1 and 2 because it's been on my mind for years because I've got played anything like it since.
I can’t wait to play this one. Great job covering it 😎
I can't imagine a puzzle solving game being the most underrated game of the decade. This is what mobile games like Candy Crush got us thinking? I remember when puzzle solving was a part of a game instead of the sole gameplay element used to tell a narrative. It serves no real purpose except to extend a narrative.
I remember this game. It reminds me The Witness. It's an abstract puzzle game.
Please make a part 2! Even though the games have been spoiled for me already, I'll be starting TP1 tonight!
Thank you so much for making this video Max!
Even to this day I play talos principal
I also wondered how a sequel could possibly work. I played TP2 on day one, and I was not just pleasantly surprised; I was honestly amazed. It's on par with the first game, and easily one of the best games I've ever played. And yet, it was half the price of a standard AAA game. But the most impressive thing about it to me is (spoilers below):
That there is no villain in the story. No dark lord, no betrayals, no mysterious puppeteers operating behind the scenes, no hidden shame in the characters' past. Just life's problems and the difficulties of navigating them, with tense disagreements between friends. How fitting that a video game about robots learning to be human has the best portrayal of human experience that I've seen. And I don't think a game has made me sit and think the way TP2 did.
Otherwise, the only things I didn't like were:
1) The lack of easter eggs. One of my favourite things in TP1 were the crazy things you'd find by "breaking" the map. There wasn't much of that in TP2.
2) The bridge puzzles. Not very fun in the first person, and far too many of them.
I started TTP 1 yesterday and today i stumble upon your video. :)
That's because you haven't played Panzer Dragoon Saga yet...I suppose that came out in the 90's though. Seriously, the story of Team Andromeda itself is interesting enough. Panzer Dragoon Saga is just melancholic in every aspect, including its creation.
Definitely belongs in the conversation. By the way, the music in those games is just - (chef's kiss) - MAJESTIC in every sense of the word.
@@maxderratPanzer Dragoon II Zwei has the best OST...so you have played Saga then?
@@maxderrat there's a (short) analysis of Panzer Dragoon Saga I stumbled upon a couple of years back which made me finally play PDS. It's on Wordpress and called The Vanished and the Void. Now I can't go back to the game without thinking of Shelley's Ozymandias. The game is infused with melancholy - I love it so much.
the Talos Principle 2 was my GOT. It has the best narrative of any 2023 game by far
Absolutely fantastic video. Nice job once again Max! Would love a follow up.
Thank you sir! I'd love to do one. :)
Been meaning to check out Talos Principle.
As a truly religious person, I LOVED this game. It made me think and question things, it never condescended or enforced ideas. Masterpiece.
I think Lefthrasir’s existential monologues and speech manner is a hilarious nod to a german filmmaker Werner Herzog.
"The Talos Principle" is an outstanding game series with immense depth, which will surely create more waves with time.
They became one of my all-time favourites. Many thanks to Croteam and their writers!
I actually teared up by the end of your explanation. I hated SOMA for a long time, because I get into hopeless spirals enough as it is on my own thinking similarly to that game. But this is a treasured opposing hopeful philosophy only three other games (Dark Souls 1 & 3 Xenogears and SMT: Strange Journey) have given me. Thanks for bringing it light.
Awww! Thank you so much Locaneo! Haven't had the best day today, but reading your comment made me feel a keen swell of positive emotion! Man, I really need to do a video on Strange Journey then.
@@maxderrat I'm glad I could. Strange Journey is a wonderful experience, but it's freaking 100 hours long heh. And I adore the Redux version. People complain about the Good endings sullying the meaning of the story, I don't believe so at all, I think dragging through the muck of the hard work needed to get those endings makes them worth it.
Also I desperately want to make a Dark Souls theory video on something I feel everyone's missed. But I'm no media maker. I have the semblance of a script, and your videos inspire me to work more on them. Thanks again.
Read The Holy Quran brother! You will find Truth there God willing, and you will tear up for your soul not for fiction. God willing, will improve your life, conscience about God Almighty and yourself will improve.
@@maxderrat Play the original!
Damn you really know how to sell a game. I wanna play both of these now
I promise you won't regret it.
I would love to see another video on Talos Principle 2!
I know it's not inherent, but will you ever talk about Beastars and his philosophy?
I know, there are some parts really "manga", but the way that the characters are written and the situations that happens really made me think of the philosophical war between Aristotle (man is a social animal) and Hobbes/Plautus (man is a wolf against other wolwes/Homo homini lupus).
I really liked the fact that instead of talking about a certain situation through the eyes of collectivity it use the eyes of single characters, with same situations explained with differents ideas, depending of who is under the spotlight.
Anyway great video, The Talos Principle has got a special place in my heart, beside another game that "appears", Prey.
Love The Talos Principle. Completed it on PC years ago and now have it on my Switch. Very relaxing with great puzzles and story. It's like spending time in a place out of time.
Throughly enjoyed both games and helped me remember my philosophy studies in college 😂. Also a great intro for people who haven’t taken any philosophy courses just to understand the atmosphere within debating and coming up with choices on their own. I know we have a dialogue wheel which kinda gives structured answers so I technically isn’t an original thought but it feels like you’re coming up with your own answer in a weird way. Here’s some other games that are sort of similar to this that I enjoy: The Turing test, The Witness, Return to Grace (not many puzzles), Pneuma Breath of Life, Deliver Us the moon, Deliver Us Mars, Chants of Sennaar, Transference, Observer, Observation, North
I think you're mixing up underrated and underappreciated
Ah, Talos Principle. Slightly less nauseous to play than The Witness, thanks to twiddling the options. But it wasn't enough to actually play. Ten minutes and I'd be suffering the rest of the day.
Talos Principle made me sick as a dog too until I realised there's a big Motion Sickness button in the menu that maximises the FoV and changes the camera entirely to third person, which I drastically preferred.
But isn't what Athena wanted, disobedience, the same thing as what Elohim wanted during the first game? He even said "You were always meant to disobey me." or something along those lines.
First of all you might be interested in bicameral mind and delving into it may just help you get across all of it. Athena hoped citizens in New Jerusalem stop worshiping her as a God rather than asking them to go against her every time, for Elohim he is afraid of the examinee behave differently from algorithm outcome, which is to say he hoped the examinee obey as it should and disobey as it should.
Athena never intended to be deified in the first place. She did not have grand plans regarding 'the goal' - that was all blown out of proportion by the people of New Jerusalem. That was the impression I got, anyway.
What music starts around 16:50? So familiar
Panzer Dragoon Saga is one of the best games that did not sell what it deserved. Master piece.
To be fair, Sega printed only 3000 copies for NA market.
I bought it for 20 bucks back then. Best 20 dollars i've ever spent.
Thanks for another awesome video! Looking forward to more
I adored both games but hey i also have Asperger's and LOVE solving puzzles as well. And the storyline added was engaging and mysterious. The mystery of how these structures got there, and the the different types of puzzles was great all the new mechanics were great. I love that they allowed you to go third person even though I never used it an engaging with other robots took away the loneliness the first game had. I have a routine, i sit down next to my cat, i put big bang theory on the laptop and i watch while i solve puzzles.
Aw man an actual game on my wishlist, well off to "watch later" this video goes !
Really love all your analysis !!! I’m not a gamer never have been but I am a huge fan of psychology and philosophy!! Thank you ! Very cool and defiantly gives me more intrigue about games and the intricacy involved !!
In robots with human-like conscious but near eternal life, there is both time needed to accept responsibility though introspection and insight to not make decisions that will have short term benefits as if the robot would not be there to face the consequences in the future.
I love sirius sam series , Talos Principle 1 and corteam as a developer.
Didn't know Talos Principle 2's sales counts are this low.
After waching the first 4 minutes of your video i decided to buy it.
I hope 2024 will be a turning point for this game and more players find this game worth playing at least.
Thank you for this video. Glad to see this game get the recognition it deserves.
We spend our entire lives learning how not to get burnt and how not to burn others
That's a really pretty saying
@@technicolourmylesthankyou. it's one on my precepts
Love your content man. Keep it up. If i may, I strongly recommend a custom map (wad) for Doom called myhouse. You won't regret it.
I would like a part 2. I think of this game often
From my home country. We are small, but we good.
just bought the talos principle bundle thanks to you. will tackle it after dd2
lol, I'm less than 10 seconds into the video, and I recognized The Talos Principle's music. I haven't played the second game yet, but that first game was ABSURDLY great, and few folks talk about it. Like one of the current top commenters says, Talos is an incredible experience, and every time I play it, it only grows in beauty. It is a living piece of art. I have never felt this way about any other media. To me, this game is more important than the Bible or other texts considered to be sacred. It is absurd.
I'm pausing your video at 7 minutes in, so I can play Talos 2. Sorry, I'll come back later.
Wholeheartedly agree. I’ve only been able to convince two other people to play this series which makes me sad. I gleefully 100%’d the sequel and replayed the entire story twice to see more dialogue options and unlock every ending. The greatest thing about the endings is that all 3 give you aspects of goodness along with justifiable cause to doubt that particular decision. None of the three endings feels conclusively like the “right” choice.
P.S. SOMA is also fantastic
Left a like, leaving aa comment, coming back after I've gone through the first one, thanks Matt!
A part 2 is required!!
WE NEED A PART 2 THE MASSES DEMAND IT!!!
I loved The Tales Principle, the puzzles are great and the philosophical texts are mind-blowing. I need to play the second game !
I would love a part 2 on Talos 2.
You captured my attitude toward the sequel announcement: enthused but apprehensive. How could they possibly follow Talos 1?
And I was wildly surprised. It is even more ambitious than Talos 1 or the DLC and it delivers on it all.
It seems almost impossible to cover all the aspects of how this game is exceptional.
Every character has a genuinely distinct and identifiable 'voice', even the social-media posting characters with no voice lines.
There's the balance-yet-imbalance that is set by the Entities [Prometheus / Pandora / Sphinx] - they stand as voices of optimism / pessimism / aporia, but also two always address you as "creature of clay" while Prometheus always calls you "son of man".
There's more Straton to listen to.
There's Trevor, sort of filling the Drennan role from the first game as a voice from inside the IAN group representing their goals, yet from a new angle.
Every time I listened to a new Lifthrasir recording I thought "surely THIS time the contrarian won't surprise me anymore" and he got me every time, yet still came across as a consistent character.
Yaqut philosophically grills you the hardest of anybody, and that's entirely because he himself is genuinely grappling with these things in real time. I almost didn't feel that much about until he showed up right afterward and made me struggle with it.
Multiple social media posts are purely devoted to art criticism, totally disconnected from your quest, and are still thought provoking.
Environment design is stunning. Every zone is like 3 times as large as the average zone in Talos 1 and manages to have a unique architectural style.
Were you aware that, for Talos 1, Croteam decided to get Tom Jubert to write because of his writing on The Swapper, and then Jubert specifically asked to get help from Jonas Kyratzes to co-write because of a short little flash game called The Infinite Ocean? I just learned that recently from watching one of Croteam's interviews, and I remembered playing that game ages ago. It's incredible to consider how far that influence has come.
Did you also hear (possibly a different interview) Kyratzes really wants to write a Talos 3 ??? At this point I simply believe in his wisdom.
I noticed you included cinematics (and scenes from New Jerusalem) that I haven't seen, so you must have made choices / done endings that I didn't. I'm interested to know who Doge matched you with, and also to know if you had the foresight about the story branchy-ness (and the will to re-solve puzzles) to manually backup earlier save files in order that you could get other endings and other conversation interactions by replaying.
Also whether you complete all the gold puzzles (for one kind of bonus), and all the star puzzles (for another).
I can't say it enough. It's a truly ambitious game. And it delivers.
This game was a crazy experience for me just from the story and dialogue.. I gotta play it again and then the sequel next I'm very excited!
Yes! Pt.2 needed.
Thanks for spreading the good word about the Talos princible,
lovee 1 & 2 ( even tho i wish the robot faces were more robotic & not so uncanny)
Great stuff, keep it up
The Talos Principle was my all-time favorite game. The Talos Principle 2 now is. It's a brilliant game.
While we are on the topic of underrated, this video should have 500k or more views. I've never even heard of this game series but you still managed to completely captivate me the entire length of the video.
As a Mad Max fan that game by Avalanche was great. If you haven't played it yet, you can get it for cheap and check it out. It doesn't really do anything new but you can really tell they were big fans of the Mad Max lore.
Wow, I'm impressed someone is talking about this game. I loved it, I'll do it all over again once I forget enough because it was a sublime experience.
I love talos that was the 1st game i beat in pc when i was 14. Made ne who i am today. I haven't gotten the chance the play the 2nd. But this got me hyped
Can't believe one of my favorite channels , talk about my favorite game which non of my friends played
I would like to see a part 2!
34 played everything from atari to mario64 to bloodborne to elden ring.. just everything. The most underrated game of all time is a game called boiling point from 2005. It has stalker 1 combat and graphics but its open world with like 50+ vehicles and a 100+hr long campaign
I cant resist clicking on a max video
Well, thanks the first 2 minutes of this video, I bought The Talos Principle 1. I'm enjoying this game so much!!
I LOVED this game. This and a game called Echo by Ultra Ultra (sadly defunct) but that game was heavily underrated, sadly.
2nd part ? I'll take 3 and a half, maybe 5.
This is a great analysis ❤