ETQ Everyday Carry Tourniquet by Snake Staff Systems
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- Опубліковано 10 гру 2022
- ETQ Everyday Carry Tourniquet by Snake Staff Systems
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I got my 1.5 inch a few weeks ago. I hope it does get CoTCCC approved. Great that Snake Staff is helping making the push for EDC carry.
In the TCCC guideline in 2023 few things may change, also TQ recommendation list ...
Awesome video, thank you Skinny! Thank you for the feedback, we are working to improve the ease of use (windlass gate), it is a hard balance between being as small as possible and easy to use. Cheers, and glad your son is finally home!
This thing looks like it'd SUCK to EDC.
It's way too bulky &complicated.
I'm just gonna use a velcro strap or something REALLY lightweight that'll actually fit in my pocket.
Seriously, Is this the best we can get ???
@@nunyadambidniss can’t tell if you are serious or not 😂
In case you are, these two TQs are literally the smallest on the market, the opposite of bulky. During testing I carried 4 at a time on my person, because they are so easy to carry. I now only carry two on my person, and they disappear.
Please don’t “just carry velcro”, a TQ designed to be such is a million times better than a velcro strap, or other improvised TQ.
@@nunyadambidniss Besides the Rats TQ, this is the smallest (full-featured) TQ I've seen so far. This looks like it would easily fit in a cargo pocket or an ankle ifak. I wonder if there's a pouch for inside the waistband carry too. The thinner profile looks like it'd be easy to conceal. Probably no thicker than an iwb mag pouch.
@@BenfromFlux It's great seeing y'all take the feedback and trying to make adjustments to the product. I wish more companies had the same outlook.
I had a couple of questions though.
Is the interior part of the tourniquet kevlar like the other commonly carried tourniquets?
Is there any stress tests done yet? I'd love to see how the plastic and clip hold up to getting hit up against things after being applied.
Where is it made?
Sorry if any of this comes off sounding like a troll.
@@stealingfire5036 yeah goal was to make it fit any 9mm mag carrier, we are working on a soft IWB carrier.
I like this locking mechanism it's like an advanced or improved NAR tourniquet which we all know are pretty much the very best on the market
Thanks for the information glad to see that Gage is home and doing better you and your family are still in our prayers and thoughts
I am starting to get interested in learning how to use med supplies. Thanks for all the advice and training I pick up from watching your previous videos.
Great video. Really enjoyed your class Saturday.
Thank you for this video. I will definitely look into this tourniquet for my EDC. Currently, I on- body carry (in my cargo pants pockets) either one CAT or one SOF T, AND, one RATs. I carry the RATs for potential use on children or smaller limbed adults where the CAT and/or SOF T won't work. This ETQ tourniquet by Snake Staff Systems will give me one more option.
Am I being overly cautious by carrying the two tourniquets in my cargo pockets along with an Israeli Pressure Bandage, in addition to the two tourniquets in my IFAK, which resides attached to the outside of my EDC backpack? Thanks for your work, Sierra Mike and please keep the videos coming.
How about a hinged metal loop that you flip up to hold the windlass in place? Something like those hotel doors have. That would also allow it the lay flat- flatter when stored. Something like the SOFT versions with the triglide.
Thank you for sharing
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Thanks for listening to my comment. Great video, these things sold out in about 5 minutes a couple days back. I think $40 shipped for 1 TQ is a bit much. 🤷🏼♂️ Would like to see a TCCC approval also before I go spending that kind of money.
I am learning more and more...keep it up!
Thank you for this review!
I'm definitely gonna buy one of each size... I figure sometimes the skinny one will be better than none!
I like the idea and goal overall. I like the gate to secure the windlass tho with the hooks of a cat or sof idk how needed it is. Not crazy about the inch version and I dont like the integrated glow stick. I feel like it has to drive up the cost a tiny bit tho its probably negligible and I do carry glow sticks in my vehicle med kit so I understand the why. I feel like with carrying it daily my pocket would end up glowing at some point lol cool concept and looks like even the 1.5 is pretty compact. The more people carrying a good tq the better. Hope they find success. For me the softt wide is the standard for a compact easy to carry windlass tq. If this is comparable or more compact and most importantly works well then that is awesome.
Thanks for the feedback!
For those who want to grab one, they restock on Fridays at 1200 MST
Hey skinny, if you have a spare normal nar cat that you can cut up. I encourage you to cut it open to see the size of the nylon strap that actually tightens when you use the windlass (spoiler, its only 1in). I haven't done testing with the new ETQ, but I am pretty sure it will work just as well.
You get some compression on the edge of the cat. I have seen the data that supports you get 1.5 in compression with the CAT.
I like the idea of the chem light. If the 1 1/2” version gets TCCC recommended I’d carry it.
Right, cause it won’t save you if people that wear lab coats haven’t blessed it with the power to save lives. 🙄
@@samrussell0331 it’s more then people in lab coats, it’s a standard that has been set of a certain quality. Have a nice night
It could be years before they follow the science on these. You could get one, train with it, practice with it, and decide for yourself.
Yeah I’ve already done that with a TQ that’s on the TCCC list.
And I have used a RATS to stop bleeding. But the scientist didn’t approve those. Maybe their opinion isn’t everything.
You could do more revievs of less known tq's. Maybe the Sich could be next?
Thanks for sharing! Glad to see a review of these from a trusted source. I’ve been trying to buy either the 1” or 1.5” for months, but they sell out within seconds of their releases 😢
They don't fix their productivity issues, they're toast.
What production issues?
@@samrussell0331 their inability to keep up with demand.
@@innovacraft that’s not a supply issue. That’s a sign that their product is already in high demand before the company has had time to grow. They will continue to immediately sell everything they make for quite a while.
@@innovacraft They are ripe for a company with the ability to scale production to copy it and take all their business.
That's very interesting, thanks.
Good review , thanks for sharing , God bless !
I clicked through to their website and only then saw how small this thing is. I think size is a big selling feature for making it EDC.
It's a great idea to add a chem light to it, from a medical POV, maybe not so good for a tactical advantage. I think how well it will do will be in pricing to start off with.
It can easily be removed, and/or replaced with an IR Chem light if desired.
@@BenfromFlux sweet!
I always like seeing things like this because I want to know if there’s anything better than what I already use. I would like to see someone test and review the tactical mechanical tourniquet by combat medical systems. That’s the one I own. I actually have two of them. I also have a third training tourniquet that is a cat tourniquet. Combat medical systems is based in Charlotte North Carolina. Just curious if anybody else has ever had to use one and what their performance was like?
I’m all in on SOF Gen5. I’ve never found it difficult to carry. Iffy about the 1” size of this new one. If in five years they gain a record for saving lives, I might look into it.
Agreed. Also, after watching the guy from Refuge medical use this thing I became a little less excited to try it now and more inclined to wait a few years until they iron the kinks and it has some saves under its belt.
i have seen one video, the first one that didnt absolutely praise the etq, where the strap was twisting within the buckles (for lack of a better term, english is my secon language). if this gets more data and gets cotccc recommended, i think it changes a lot. biggest advantage i see is that you can carry zwo etq instead of one cat tq.
I think for the money I’m staying with CAT. Thanks for the video ,and I hope everyone gives the winless more turns than the demo. One turn past MFer high and tight works on me to stop blood flow. It’s supposed to hurt that’s how you know it’s working.
Stopping the blood flow is how you know it's working... whether or not it hurts, or if the patient is able to communicate such, doesn't matter. The mentality that it has to hurt, or that you're supposed to crank it down as tight as possible, is similar to the thought that when you perform CPR "if you're not breaking ribs then you're not doing it right", and it's just silly and can create more problems than you started with.
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Maybe I haven't watched enough of your tourniquet videos but what is the point of the glow light? So a medic can quickly identify where the problem might be when they arrive?
I have always wondered if there would be a way to incorporate a TQ into a belt? Maybe using the buckle as a windlass? I am not talking about an improvised TQ, but incorporating a fully functioning TQ into a belt or perhaps a should strap of a messenger bag....
They exist. As do rifle slings and leg holsters. But there are draw backs and advantages with all
The 1” version doesn’t stand a chance of getting a CoTCCC recommendation. The 1.5” could, depending on any evidence based, peer reviewed, data that supports its safety & efficacy. It looks like they’ve rushed it to market with neither, just like Stat & Rats, which are garbage.
Are you saying it does look it was rushed to market, or not?
If you do think it was rushed, the production version was in testing for a year before being released.
@@BenfromFlux Has there been any peer reviewed data to support it's safety or efficacy since it's inception? If not, yes, I believe it's fair to say it was rushed to market.
I've seen your official channel doppler video & I believe it can work. I've also seen multiple videos with the device failing due to the narrow strap and the buckle design resulting in significant twisting, narrowing of the band, and an inability to secure the windlass in the carabiner. In a world where simple usually works best the current design seems overly complicated.
As an old Doc who has done the work and instructed trauma care for a long time, I'm all for more agile minds, able hands, and effective devices. I'm just very particular about something I would use on my team, myself, my family, or any other real patient. I wish you guys luck and sincerely hope you're working to address the current known issues.
@@tacdoc8736 Fair enough, but we had enough professionals test it, along with our own testing that we are very confident in it. Getting independent studies done on unreleased stuff on a bootstrapped company from nowhere is incredibly done. You can’t pay for them, and you have to keep the idea confidential - so how do you get studies done?
I have seen Refuge Medicals video, and I took it/am taking it very seriously. It was incredibly worrisome, and my focus for the last few weeks was on replicating the issue and figuring out what the causes were.
We are going to be doing our own videos on the failure, but the failure is isolated to misuse and/or various cycles of training without resetting the Velcro (simply flattening the portion by the windlass).
So long as you pull the strap at least moderately tight and unfold the velcro near the windlass after use, it will never experience this failure. It took me close to a hundred applications, all trying to get it to fail to cause this issue.
That said, even though it is not a big deal in actuality, in case people do plan on using ETQs they trained with, we are making rolling changes to make it much less likely, we are going to make people aware of the potential issue with used TQs, and also working towards gen 2 that will completely eliminate the issue.
When you say multiple videos, can you please link or tell me where I can find any other ones? I need all information I can get to improve the design.
Finally, if this was not an issue isolated to used and not restaged TQs, I would absolutely recall them/send replacements. This is life saving gear, we take it extremely seriously.
Cheers, and thank you for your thoughts.
@@MPD90 We have had a few UK people reach out, and we had some connection to SAS for other products, I imagine we will have distribution there next year sometime.
Hello Friend. I watch your content all the time. and I always find something new. could you make a video about hub turnstiles like SAM? Thanks again for the information on tactical medicine
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When do we get the next podcast?
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Is the light also a two hour timer?
Does it work as good as a full size? Probably not in all situations, but the TQ you carry is better than the TQ you don't. The 1" EDC TQ makes carrying it easier. Win.
Yea the 1.5 inch would be easier on larger limbs
Why the chemlight? All of my tourniquets are bright orange. Not tacticool, but if I'm really using a tourniquet, who cares.
My EDC is a CAT, with the SWAT-T in your stop the bleed kit, as backup. I would need a real good reason to change.
Don't think this is any competition to the CAT.
Would "more expensive" do it?
The chem light is a little gimmicky in my opinion. A stop watch style timer that activated after application might be useful but then you have batteries. Maybe a mini sharpie holder so you can write down the time but then you need a watch 😂. I'm going to hush now.
Mini sharpie would be amazing!
I've been trying to get one since they came out. But every time I check it's sold out
Hey Skinny, thanks for this info. What would you rather have as a back to a CAT 7? An EDQ or a SWAT-T? I'm considering buying an LTC Pocket Trauma kit. I will have a CAT 7, but I'm debating the SWAT-T or the EDQ kit. Thanks!
I am currently using the ETQ as a backup to the CAT.
@@SkinnyMedic do you prefer it over the SAWT-T as a back-up?
You never went over why you would want to carry the new tourniquet over the CAT? Is it easier to carry? less bulky?
Yes it is less bulky and easier to carry for everyday carry.
One of the customers comments says it all: it didn't fully occlude his friends femoral...
Could definitely be tough for legs... even 1.5" are tough for just one on a larger thigh. The upside is that the popularity of tourniquets is based on military data and usage, where guys suffered injuries to arms and legs because they were wearing body armor and helmets when they were blown up. In civilian situations, data shows that the vast majority of gunshot deaths are from shots in the upper torso and head, where a TQ isn't going to help. In vehicle accidents, most deaths are from traumatic brain injuries, internal bleeding, spinal cord injuries, broken ribs puncturing lungs etc., and bleeding out from a wounded limb is less common. So, while carrying a TQ may be a worthwhile idea for the average citizen, it's not going to be the great lifesaver that everyone makes it out to be, so whether it's a 1" or 1.5" or TCCC approved or whatever else we like to talk about doesn't actually matter as much as we think because the likelihood of one being the thing that is actually going to be needed to save a life in reality is probably lower than someone needing to carry anti venom or something to save a life. Sure, situations arise, and it doesn't hurt to carry one, so just pick a good one that's been vetted and go with it if you want to carry one, but it's mostly a piece of mind item for people who don't work in emergency medical service positions. The regular person would probably save more lives with glucose gel packets than tq's in their lifetime. I carry 2 tourniquets on me anyway just because I always have, but I don't let myself get too wrapped around the axle about them or finding the latest and greatest ones and all that..
Awesome! TQ hit that 80/20 rule.. 80% focus on the 20% chance.
We need to be practical not just tactical.
Glucose huh?
I thought the CAT had an inner webbing that is also 1” making it the same as the smaller version? The outer material makes the CAT seem bigger but the part that is occluding is 1”
The outer material does apply some pressure during application.
Hey, this can look really nice, but are there any evidence of effectiveness? Doppler tests, long-term stability, possible tissue/nerves damage? Here in Ukraine we got dozen of new TQ manufacturers in less than a year, but hardly any of them work good and got approved by medical staff.
I believe I saw where the mfg is saying the 1in is just as effective because the CAT, etc actually have a 1in constructor band inside 1.5in webbing. Guess we'll see.
I am not sold on that
@@SkinnyMedic yeah. I saw a video where they took a CAT apart to show that......but, I'd sure like to see some independent testing on instrumented dummies showing the actual constriction numbers...total pressure exerted, psi, etc.
The psi could be telling. Being narrow would it possibly exert limb damaging pressure to stop the bleeding?? 🤷♂️
I like the name, so we are good to go 🐍
I've tried to buy this tq for a couple months now and it's always sold out.
Sorry dude, we underestimated demand, mostly because we went a bit viral on our $1500 budget launch video. We are testing out new MFGs who can keep up.
How small does this get?
*(Use on very small children)*
Does it get smaller than the CAT?
I Want one that I can fit into the spare magazine spot on my tier 1 axis elite holster. What would you recommend?
The Snakestaff 1” fits in a Tier1 axis elite. I carried mine in one for a while
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Ahh, the UA-cam comment section, where all the real experts are.
If I need one, I'd rather have 1.5 but 1 inch in my jeans pocket, beats the heck out of nothing, because I didn't want the other's bulk.
“Woop” “Bloop”
I don't see the advantage of this over a SOF-T wide which at a similar price point is TCCC approved and looks less bulky.
SOFTW is a great TQ, but the ETQ has various advantages over it, size and weight being one.
Recommendation for a fat guy? 1.5" this, or something else? Probably need two of either for me. I'm big.
I think the sof-t or sof-t wide may be able to be daisy chained? I could be wrong.
@@ghost101049 thanks lol I'm not THAT fat? Hahahaha, but it's common for someone who is very large/thick to need two TQs side-by-side to properly occlude bloodflow, not that you would end-to-end tie them together, you just need to apply pressure to a broader area, similar to how @SkinnyMedic was explaining the wider VS narrower TQ in this video. That's how I understand it anyway. My class was very brief and I haven't invested in spares to use for training - pretty dumb on my part. (re-replied from the correct account)
Considering that tourniquets which are more narrow, require more pressure to achieve occlusion...
Is there a reason that nobody's making a tourniquet that's 2-3inches wide (to get more occlusion with less pressure)?
It seems like that would be beneficial:
- More occlusion
- Lower chances of nerve damage
- Doesn't "bite" into the soft tissues as much
- Less painful for the patient
- Likely safer for children (and K9's)
- Higher success rate? (I'd imagine it'd stop the bleeding more often because of the increased occlusion, due to the extra width of the tourniquet)
Is there a reason nobody's doing this?
I was wondering the same thing...
Are you not familiar with the CoTCCC approved TX2 and TX3?
The SWAT-T is, but it will not get TCCC Approval because it is very difficult to apply one handed or on yourself. It was recommended by the top trauma doctor/dept head in my city (I forget his title but he spoke at my Stop the Bleed class) as being effective and more economical at the time, and if I recall correctly, they issued them to the LEOs in my city in pocket sized IFAK kits. It meets those points you mentioned for sure (other than success rate, I have no data on that). When I bought mine it was like $12. Today they are $20 everywhere. If I was to buy 1 tourniquet today, it would be a CAT that I hopefully caught on a $25 sale. But for some of the reasons you listed above, having a SWAT-T handy could be useful in some situations I think.
TMT tourniquet?
There are absolutely wider tourniquets in use in the military, civilian market, and in the broader medical field.
So many things wrong with this tourniquet it will never pass CoTCCC.
1. This tourniquet will act up in a combat environment or for a civilian very high stressful setting
2. Windlass is very small which will be difficult to keep a hand on turning it enough to get good arterial compression while having high stress.
3. C-clamp flexes way too much. the metal gate locking mechanism will give out, it will flip the opposite direction.
4. You have to store The windlass in the c-clamp with the locking mechanism locked .so using one handed will be difficult unless you have the windlass flopping around.
4. When turning the winless enough to get arterial compression the band moves all the way to one side then the windless is very difficult to get in the c-clamp cuz it's so small. Will be terrible under stress.
Do not stage your windlass inside the gate, bad idea. You certainly don’t “have to”.
Andrew Fisher (Trauma Daddy) is a CoTCCC member and just did a review, he believes it will get recommended.
How does a TQ, or any inanimate object, for that matter, “act up”? Maybe you mean something else?
If you use it properly, pulling the strap tight upon application, it will not have any sort of failure, or be hard to use.
Is this something you have tested yourself? Are you a professional? You have very strong opinions about it.
Yeah, but its more expensive. So there is that.
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Good luck getting one. Their production numbers STINK.
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