Downhill Bike Or Enduro Bike | Which Is Better?

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  • Опубліковано 24 сер 2019
  • Can enduro bikes handle everything that downhill bikes can? Which bike performs better in a bike park? Do the advantages when descending on a downhill bike outweigh the disadvantages when going uphill? Neil and Blake took a couple of bikes each to Whistler Bike Park to find out 🤘
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  • @gmbn
    @gmbn  4 роки тому +232

    If you could only have one bike what would it be?

    • @mineburgerl804
      @mineburgerl804 4 роки тому +76

      enduro

    • @lisapet160
      @lisapet160 4 роки тому +20

      XC or Trail: decided by a coin flip.

    • @sandeshborlikar9822
      @sandeshborlikar9822 4 роки тому +92

      Aggressive Hardtail bike😄😄

    • @martial8574
      @martial8574 4 роки тому +25

      A good all mountain who can climb good and descend good, i currently own a 140/140mm,.My dream bike is a lapierre zesty AM.

    • @eduardocadona461
      @eduardocadona461 4 роки тому +27

      A stumpjumper

  • @chrisgarty
    @chrisgarty 4 роки тому +322

    I want to see a “behind the scenes”. How do those camera men get around the mountain?! I think those camera men are doing the harder work! 🤣

  • @_gummikko_
    @_gummikko_ 4 роки тому +195

    Decision is super easy if you only have 15000 to buy both bikes 🤦‍♂️

  • @yannispop6575
    @yannispop6575 4 роки тому +316

    blake has a nukeproof enduro bike and canyon downhill bike and neil is the exact opposite.
    lol

  • @cedricfreivogel3882
    @cedricfreivogel3882 4 роки тому +105

    If you can afford only one bike than the enduro is the obvious choice because it's so versatile and you can do literally everything. However for the park I prefer my dh bike, just makes way more fun and gives me more security.

    • @jonathanoxlade4252
      @jonathanoxlade4252 2 роки тому

      Or have two wheel sets even if you have a more heavy bike even tho climbing would not be ideal with a 16kg bike have a single speed setup for pure downhill use and geared for going to work use but it would mean taking the derailleur off when you want to downhill maybe that's where the wireless derailleur is useful no wires just set I up for typical cross country and have another a wheel set for single speed may mean swapping to a smaller chain link system for it if you plan to take the bike out downhill set It up for it

    • @ROSE-by5su
      @ROSE-by5su Рік тому +1

      Or should I get 180mm travel Enduro bike set it up like DH

  • @erpol9258
    @erpol9258 4 роки тому +382

    Enduro if you can have 1 bike and you don't go to a bike park a lot . Enduro bike can do all

    • @williamturbyfill6250
      @williamturbyfill6250 4 роки тому +14

      Just explained my exact situation. Have a specialized Enduro expert carbon but it is a 26 inch from 2014

    • @sickmak90
      @sickmak90 4 роки тому +22

      Enduro is probably overkill for most people.

    • @erpol9258
      @erpol9258 4 роки тому +3

      @@sickmak90 what do you mind by overkill ?

    • @Chkhenkelosaur
      @Chkhenkelosaur 4 роки тому +24

      @@erpol9258 I agree with him, Enduro bikes are relatively heavier and have too much travel, and no remote suspension lockout usually. Sometimes you want to do climbs and ride on smoother terrain, and having 160-170mm suspension for such rides might not be optimal. I'd say XC for sure, and maybe also trail bikes are better all-around bikes.

    • @erpol9258
      @erpol9258 4 роки тому +6

      @@Chkhenkelosaur it depend what you do obviously. Me personnally i'am more dh and enduro . I do some long ride and climb and my 170/170 bike is not the best for that but it work really good for jump, dh and enduro track.

  • @mitskoala0380
    @mitskoala0380 4 роки тому +75

    First time to see Neil on a DH Bike, and he's Flying !!

    • @Arrica101
      @Arrica101 4 роки тому +10

      He used to be a dh world cup racer. No wonder he is flying

  • @Kirkov36
    @Kirkov36 4 роки тому +29

    I prefer Enduro, because its more versatile

  • @tallulahbeaverhausen4382
    @tallulahbeaverhausen4382 4 роки тому +9

    Just finished the Steamboat Epic video with Si and now, I'm in for another treat !
    You guys at GCN and GMBN are spoiling us ! :)

  • @jakemixd
    @jakemixd 3 роки тому +14

    2:11 that brake is in tune with the music.

  • @marcosharvey1427
    @marcosharvey1427 4 роки тому +63

    Great channel. Can't wait to watch this one now.

  • @kevinfrmkdz
    @kevinfrmkdz 4 роки тому +16

    My trek session is my trail bike 😂 its heavy on climbs but the way I see it itll only feel easier when I finally get an enduro 😂

  • @jooncash4709
    @jooncash4709 4 роки тому +25

    Neil’s back on a DH!
    Don’t call it a comeback!

  • @MrTKorho
    @MrTKorho 4 роки тому

    You guys are just hypnotic! That is absolutely marvelous riding!

  • @energ8t
    @energ8t 4 роки тому +21

    Whistler demands a DH bike for almost all the mountain. I rode enduro last year and DH this year. DH all the way.

    • @Mr.ZiggedWhenHeShouldaZagged
      @Mr.ZiggedWhenHeShouldaZagged 4 роки тому

      I rode there lots with a Giant Trance that I swapped in a 150mm pike on, worked great. Whistler flow trails are built so well you could prolly use a hard tail and not need much travel. The techy trails are a bit gnarly but can be done with any mid/long travel fully

    • @venomtv2928
      @venomtv2928 4 роки тому +2

      @@Mr.ZiggedWhenHeShouldaZagged can be done is something different than can have fun

    • @Mr.ZiggedWhenHeShouldaZagged
      @Mr.ZiggedWhenHeShouldaZagged 4 роки тому +1

      Yabut we’re talking about maybe 10-20% of the trails are “can be done” and 80-90% are still fun with mid/long travel fully. To spend $4-5 thousand on a one trick pony is dumb unless you’re racing or live there. A good enduro or aggressive trail bike can ride there and pretty much everywhere else in the world as well. Neil’s comment “this was better on the enduro” part way through says that enduros are actually more capable in some parts of the park as well. I’d take his perspective over most

    • @energ8t
      @energ8t 4 роки тому +1

      Mr. ZiggedWhenHeShuddaZagged Yeah, I meant if you had to make a decision toward a single bike for Whistler, go DH. I rode a 120 on the flowy stuff last year, but still... You get mad arm pump on brake bumps, tore up tracks and extended long runs especially if you don't have DH worthy brakes. You can really send some gnar with 220 and walk away with a massive grin on day one. To each their own though.

    • @venomtv2928
      @venomtv2928 4 роки тому

      @@Mr.ZiggedWhenHeShouldaZagged I was talking about those gnarly trails, and i still think that they aren't fun with 150mm. I agree with you on the other part :). I'am a racer so i'll stick to the downhill bike

  • @willbros1499
    @willbros1499 4 роки тому +3

    The comments at the end nailed it. It's fatiguing to ride those grades, and by day 3...a DH bike is so much nicer. For mere mortals, I also think it helps you gain confidence, because you do have more forgiveness on a DH bike. That confidence translates almost directly to riding an enduro bike, and you feel more comfortable doing bigger features and more difficult tech lines.
    DH bikes are just impractical. Enduro bikes have gotten so capable, that unless it's park riding exclusively, DH bikes are virtually useless. I don't think our local shops have sold more than 2-3 DH bikes a year here around Bentonville, and those are all for people who are headed out west to ride a few times a year and don't want to rent.

  • @kbeightyseven1783
    @kbeightyseven1783 3 роки тому +2

    Balls to this, Hardtail for life!

  • @casualsportshighlights
    @casualsportshighlights 4 роки тому +1

    Great vid GMBN! keep it up :D

  • @mnbv5555cxz
    @mnbv5555cxz 4 роки тому +1

    @Neil "Which bike is better when you're hungover?" NICE!! important advice. great work

  • @nhathebest2472
    @nhathebest2472 4 роки тому

    Your videos made me improve a lot in MTB

  • @gabrielathur5392
    @gabrielathur5392 4 роки тому

    very great video! thanks a lot

  • @unknown-6664
    @unknown-6664 4 роки тому +2

    I love trial bike cause my first favorite bike was enduro and second was cross country(xc) and now its trial i change it by the status!!!

  • @bouakascha
    @bouakascha 4 роки тому

    Have both. DH and Trail bike with 160 mm travel. And honestly this summer i preffered the trailbike even at the bikeparks. Its just as fun as my downhill bike at the downhills but the big advantage it can climb.

  • @wittwer427
    @wittwer427 4 роки тому +1

    This is really fun to watch the week after coming back from whistler. Rode my enduro and only on trails like schlayer did I really wish I was on a dh. Got pretty beat up by the brake bumps tho.

  • @Prof1738
    @Prof1738 4 роки тому +1

    Love your videos

  • @patrykpatryyk8083
    @patrykpatryyk8083 4 роки тому +2

    Guys thanks for new video :)

  • @craigj2483
    @craigj2483 4 роки тому +1

    I still love taking the 26" dh bike out still fun to blast on trails.. Enduro i use more 180mm up front 165mm on the rear. Takes the hits well. Lightweight easier to peddle on inclines. Depends more on how i'm feeling when i go for a ride which 1 i take with me

  • @freshturns_snowboarding
    @freshturns_snowboarding 4 роки тому +7

    "You really notice how versatile" the enduro bike is, Neil says as he bottoms out the front fork in the vid...

  • @mispace8755
    @mispace8755 4 роки тому +7

    I love your videos even if I understand nothing since I'm french, it's a pleasure to watch them

    • @haustierone
      @haustierone 4 роки тому

      lol

    • @harry0296
      @harry0296 4 роки тому

      How have you written this this if you can't even understand them 😑

    • @mispace8755
      @mispace8755 4 роки тому +2

      @@harry0296 google translate u know ?

    • @knott4me561
      @knott4me561 4 роки тому +2

      Ironically Harry his English spelling is better than yours :) .
      P.s Google translated

    • @normadicn5700
      @normadicn5700 4 роки тому +1

      Wish I knew French and could translate into French.

  • @BohdanZhelyak
    @BohdanZhelyak 4 роки тому

    Great thanks!

  • @m00nchildblues
    @m00nchildblues 4 роки тому +2

    With limited income, my primary bike is my Ibis HD4 enduro. Secondary bike to come will be an alum grab dash 29er aggressive xc hardtail w 130 travel.

    • @jaimieboy999
      @jaimieboy999 4 роки тому +1

      Yo big up the ibis crew ✌️✌️

  • @bodhigilroy
    @bodhigilroy 4 роки тому +2

    Nice to see Neil getting some big air!

  • @the_spanner_ch7mp
    @the_spanner_ch7mp 4 роки тому

    Nice riding Blake and Neil
    Great stuff #GMBN

  • @ianblueadventure
    @ianblueadventure 4 роки тому +20

    Someday I'll keep on dreaming I'll be having my enduro bike!!!! For now I will go to sleep and dreaming that bike...

    • @gabrieldean9559
      @gabrieldean9559 4 роки тому +3

      I know the feeling. Been wanting a new bike since 2009. Finally pulled the trigger and bought something a few months ago!

    • @ianblueadventure
      @ianblueadventure 4 роки тому

      Gabriel Dean wow good for you man, I’m jealous. 😔

    • @gabrieldean9559
      @gabrieldean9559 4 роки тому +1

      @@ianblueadventure sorry man i didn't mean for it to come across ina negative way. I just meant hopefully soon.

    • @rolux4853
      @rolux4853 3 роки тому +1

      Save a thousand dollars and get a 4 year old enduro bike.
      It’ll be much more capable than you are and you’ll have so much fun at a relatively reasonable price!

    • @ramonzimmermann3995
      @ramonzimmermann3995 3 роки тому +2

      Just work a bit and you'll earn enough money.

  • @jackhartwright7855
    @jackhartwright7855 4 роки тому +2

    Love the channel

  • @rahadibasuki
    @rahadibasuki 4 роки тому +1

    Hallo Niels GMBN, we all watching your vlogs in Indonesia, nice tutorial for me..

  • @Smurfnotbad
    @Smurfnotbad 4 роки тому +8

    I'd go enduro because it's better for every day riding because of the gearing but has enough suspension travel for downhill sections at bike parks

  • @dannybravo6342
    @dannybravo6342 4 роки тому +4

    both bikes are pretty sick

  • @michivanhalen7086
    @michivanhalen7086 3 роки тому

    Love you two together!

  • @jamesbeamond2917
    @jamesbeamond2917 4 роки тому +1

    ive been waiting for this video for ages

    • @antoanangelov5672
      @antoanangelov5672 4 роки тому +1

      Me too but the answer is always the same Enduro bikes are the best :)

    • @jamesbeamond2917
      @jamesbeamond2917 4 роки тому

      @@antoanangelov5672 haha

    • @jamesbeamond2917
      @jamesbeamond2917 4 роки тому

      im probs going to get a dh bike though as i am going to race

  • @garethcarberry7516
    @garethcarberry7516 4 роки тому

    I have a devincie troy but ever since I got my downhill bike (Devincie wilson) witch all my friends told me I would never use I can't get off of it! I love it!! Dh for me 🤪🤟

  • @liliandao822
    @liliandao822 4 роки тому +97

    And what about the freeride bikes ? Shorter but still long travel, can pedal better than the DH ones, and more comfy than an enduro one :) #askgmbn

    • @Mr.ZiggedWhenHeShouldaZagged
      @Mr.ZiggedWhenHeShouldaZagged 4 роки тому +26

      Enduro bikes are becoming free ride bikes, 170mm front and rear vs 180mm front and rear isn’t really noticeable, but the enduro lines can out pedal free rides with better suspension designs

    • @liliandao822
      @liliandao822 4 роки тому +4

      @@Mr.ZiggedWhenHeShouldaZagged Wise answer, thank you 👌🏼

    • @blackmetalgoat9060
      @blackmetalgoat9060 4 роки тому +10

      these days a freeride bike is just a dh bike with harder suspension and usually 26" wheels

    • @rudySTi
      @rudySTi 4 роки тому +6

      black metal goat nah freeride bikes are 27.5

    • @jaimieboy999
      @jaimieboy999 4 роки тому +2

      @@rudySTi go check all the bikes at loose fest, most using 26" wheels.

  • @kirstenoliver6953
    @kirstenoliver6953 4 роки тому +3

    Thanks for the vid, great help! Just off to les gets and morzine.

    • @davidkeane2399
      @davidkeane2399 4 роки тому

      Trails out here are just top right now. We've had a little bit of rain, and then it's dried nicely. Bit of luck there'll be showers on Thursday, then bright sunshine this weekend. Send it!

    • @kirstenoliver6953
      @kirstenoliver6953 4 роки тому

      It’s nice out here today!

  • @RESolberg
    @RESolberg 4 роки тому +4

    Btw you guys should go out to Moab and ride “the whole enchilada” some day. Then hit Grand junction and do “zipadee doda”.

  • @JhoDiariestv6418
    @JhoDiariestv6418 2 роки тому +1

    Watching from phillipines🤩

  • @flynnbruce5059
    @flynnbruce5059 4 роки тому

    so sick!!

  • @jackyoung5950
    @jackyoung5950 4 роки тому +3

    I was convinced you didn't need a dh bike until i got a dh bike, never looked back haha

  • @lawrence4899
    @lawrence4899 4 роки тому +2

    welcom back yo beautifo pepoo!

  • @controller2152
    @controller2152 4 роки тому +2

    Neil and Blake.... I love all the bike reviews and I love my Ripmo and Fat Bike.
    I would love to see those DH bikes at Northstar in Truckee for the EWS. It’s nice and Hot and Sandy for those DH’s.
    Keep Rocking the vids..... 🤘🤘🤘🤘🚴🏼‍♂️🚴🏼‍♂️🚴🏼‍♂️🚴🏼‍♂️👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🚴🏼‍♂️🚴🏼‍♂️🚴🏼‍♂️🚴🏼‍♂️

  • @Thesusoperator
    @Thesusoperator 4 роки тому

    Enduro! Sweet spot!

  • @haustierone
    @haustierone 4 роки тому +10

    if i had a real mountain/hill around & a bikepark - i'd MAYBE buy a DH, but since i dont, i dont. :) & :(
    thumbed up of course !

    • @JRGVirals
      @JRGVirals 4 роки тому

      Phridz I live in Nebraska :(
      All I got is tranquillity park or custom trails.

  • @tacostwowheels4934
    @tacostwowheels4934 4 роки тому

    Love it!

  • @pierrebroccoli.9396
    @pierrebroccoli.9396 4 роки тому

    XC bike for the Whistler Win ;)
    No - just kidding. Good summation of the differences between the two styles of bike. Looking at the Enduro Racing in California this weekend it's punishing but the bikes can take it.
    One can always add a token to their forks and rear shock and dial in more progression if it's really gnarly.

  • @gopro_vlogs
    @gopro_vlogs 4 роки тому +2

    finally neil gets/rides a dh bike

  • @ryancalkin2943
    @ryancalkin2943 3 роки тому

    I have a polygon collosus 2016 DH and I have put a bigger cluster on it so I can climb hills pritty well and ride around all the tracks in the park.

  • @Volks_Swagon
    @Volks_Swagon Рік тому

    I have an Enduro bike and LOVE it but at the time I wanted a downhill bike, still want a downhill bike but I'll never regret my Enduro

  • @charliewallace3052
    @charliewallace3052 4 роки тому +2

    sick!!!

  • @charliecosevski4720
    @charliecosevski4720 3 роки тому +1

    Downhill would obviously be better on downhill trails but the word enduro pretty much means good for everything so uphill, downhill and everyday riding

  • @danielsaloka5739
    @danielsaloka5739 4 роки тому +1

    Depending on the build an enduro can be everything. 170mm front fork even with a 150 rear and a good set of brakes can handle a bike park no problem!

  • @peytonbrezski
    @peytonbrezski 4 роки тому +3

    Downhill bikes are a bit more stable and confidence inspiring for jumps, but I prefer enduro bikes for tech trails.

  • @user-rv9qi7gb2b
    @user-rv9qi7gb2b 4 роки тому +1

    I love hardtail bike.

  • @yannispop6575
    @yannispop6575 4 роки тому +1

    Both

  • @casualsportshighlights
    @casualsportshighlights 4 роки тому +1

    personally, I love downhill bikes better, but that's just my preferred bike as I do engage in some downhill racing so... yeah. There are lots of opinions out there and it really does depend a lot on the trails you ride, but for me, downhill all the way.

  • @davidkosi7662
    @davidkosi7662 4 роки тому

    I have enduro with 180 160mm travel so kinda on downhill side too

  • @powellfamily7720
    @powellfamily7720 4 роки тому

    Finally got a gmbn jersey long sleeve

  • @charlieb9903
    @charlieb9903 4 роки тому +2

    Nukeproof are great I’ve got a mega used to have a scout and the dissent looks peng I guess they don’t do xc but who cared bout that no fun in hills

  • @josegalindo6575
    @josegalindo6575 4 роки тому

    Hi from Guatemala

  • @ltrtg13
    @ltrtg13 4 роки тому

    I'd like to see Blake and Neil ride the Atherton's bike park in Wales.

  • @stillyoung5232
    @stillyoung5232 4 роки тому +1

    Oww what a good bike park

  • @henriksaxin685
    @henriksaxin685 4 роки тому

    i can use my Dartmoor Wish 2015 for both DH and enduro.

  • @deeznuts936
    @deeznuts936 4 роки тому +1

    Relaxing techno music

  • @princealbaniel2529
    @princealbaniel2529 4 роки тому +1

    i remember Blake and Scott did this kind of comparison video in the past.🤔🤔🤔

  • @Makeitsimple.203
    @Makeitsimple.203 Рік тому

    I already have a trail bike, I want a longer travel bike so I think it would be better to get a downhill since they are cheaper where I live and since I already have a bike that can do all, I would use the downhill for harder trails

  • @ollythompson6261
    @ollythompson6261 4 роки тому

    This place is so nice

  • @liams689
    @liams689 4 роки тому

    Nice

  • @tejendra3194
    @tejendra3194 2 роки тому +1

    Cool bro

  • @powernetwork
    @powernetwork 3 роки тому

    Thx, new to MTB, and I'm building a starter bike to do it all, Thinking 10 speed 3x gearing with larger chainrings. And the longest travel with lock out. Maybe stay with 27.5 wheels. Wondering if anything like this is out there.

  • @namewastaken360
    @namewastaken360 4 роки тому

    I think durability is the best reason to get a DH bike. If I smashed laps all day on my Enduro bike it wouldn't last, instead I normally do a lap or two of the bike park to warm up then pedal further up for a longer descent. When I get a DH bike I'll spend a lot more time in the park.

    • @jonathanoxlade4252
      @jonathanoxlade4252 2 роки тому +2

      Too be honest enjuro bikes can do half of what a downhill bike can do but if you used a enjuro bike for sheer downhill riding yea that's the problem you don't see red bull riders using enjuro bikes they use DH bikes that are probably modified on a perfect suspension setting enjuro is basically a trail bike that can handle some downhill jumps but don't use it as a full downhill bike

  • @williammurphy666
    @williammurphy666 4 роки тому

    The reason I have a downhill and not an enduro is simple, my wife got it for me, and she got a beastly Kona because she liked the colour

  • @wolf_gamerw3763
    @wolf_gamerw3763 4 роки тому

    I would say enduro is better because you can climb and you are fast on the decent. Big jumps or rough single trails. And with good Equipment and components you can shred downhill trails. But it is my personal opinion.

  • @nvire5202
    @nvire5202 4 роки тому

    Downhill is good at riding on rough trails quick, enduro sort of made for lasting long long those long descents

  • @ClTlZEN_X
    @ClTlZEN_X 4 роки тому

    I've been waiting for this. I'm in the market for good bike that will hopefully handle everything I can throw at it - from XC to bombing DH. I heard DH bikes quite heavy when pedaling up the hills.

    • @lorenz9956
      @lorenz9956 4 роки тому +5

      It's nearly impossible to pedal uphill with a dh

    • @chael9323
      @chael9323 3 роки тому +3

      @@lorenz9956 I switched my DH's groupset to 12 speed instead of 7speed, and I can climb hills now.

  • @michaelvila3692
    @michaelvila3692 4 роки тому

    Awesome video guys! Were you both clipped in the pedals or flat?

  • @p199a
    @p199a 4 роки тому

    finaly some DH bike vid

  • @visionmusic1500
    @visionmusic1500 4 роки тому +1

    What should I for my first expensive bike for riding armature trails, downhill or trail?

  • @k1ng.k0e
    @k1ng.k0e 3 роки тому

    Go to Snow Shoe, WV my friends. It’s all down hill from there 😂

  • @ratcamaro
    @ratcamaro 4 роки тому +1

    DH bike hands down at a bike park!

  • @michalpawlak3344
    @michalpawlak3344 4 роки тому +1

    Blake's bike looks so big in comparison with him. Hilarious XD

  • @charliesrandomthings5457
    @charliesrandomthings5457 3 роки тому +2

    "They have less travel and can be more fatigueing" Bro i rode my first park on a 1999 santa Cruz super light 1.

  • @chasingsunset9801
    @chasingsunset9801 4 роки тому

    Im more about exploring above and beyond trails...enduro bike suits riders like me...

  • @lukebyrne506
    @lukebyrne506 4 роки тому +1

    Come to ireland to mountain bike

  • @joshuamckennna1271
    @joshuamckennna1271 4 роки тому

    Do a video on drop and roll

  • @iambazingga9418
    @iambazingga9418 3 роки тому

    damn!!!! me wishing to experience all of this on my hardtail bike😅😅😂
    Well to good to be true HT

  • @rstrakovsky
    @rstrakovsky 4 роки тому

    Neil, how do you like that POC armor kit? Looks like an intriguing option, should we expect a review at some point?

  • @bozmar1
    @bozmar1 2 роки тому

    I prefer skiing in the winter and down hill in the sommer … I don t like pedaling uphill … for this I like my enduro motorcycle

  • @w3stgeorge117
    @w3stgeorge117 4 роки тому +1

    I’m wanting to start getting into EWS what’s the best way to watch it?

  • @kaydenkubicek6767
    @kaydenkubicek6767 4 роки тому +6

    Enduro all the way

  • @seven9766
    @seven9766 3 роки тому +1

    To answer that question once and for all: A long travel trail bike with lockout, 27,5
    Maybe a 2017 Spectral...
    Change my mind.

    • @powernetwork
      @powernetwork 3 роки тому

      Thx, new to MTB, and I'm building a starter bike to do it all, Thinking 10 speed 3x gearing with larger chainrings. And the longest travel with lock out. Maybe stay with 27.5 wheels. Wondering if anything like this is out there.

  • @kevingroudev6739
    @kevingroudev6739 4 роки тому

    Do a canyon torque revew pls

  • @falk.r.h8963
    @falk.r.h8963 4 роки тому

    what is better? both!