@@ProliantLife He took his teams to the playoffs year after year, and only missed when Yao and T-Mac went down. Not a HOF coach, but definitely not a bum coach either.
ufster81 the thing is, JVG understands the game of basketball on a different level than anyone who is a data miner. There’s merit in the Moneyball type of GM... but Van Gundy doesn’t give a fuck and he’ll let everyone know lol
@Stannis Baratheon Either the list is useless, or the list is good and Paul is extremely underrated. U cant really accept the list but leave cp3 out off it
@@SethKasso its just a dumb stat. if Herro Has another similar game where he drops 30+ and gets another -3, then has a game like i believe it was iggy a few years back who played 5 mins 0 shots 0 rebs 0 stl 0 blk and had a +25. he would have to have 9 games of -3 to lose his + stat where as Herro can have 2 bad +/-games and end up with a -9. he would then need 4 games w/+3 to end up in positive light. so iggy had 6 straight bad games he would have a positive +/- but herro who had 6 straight good games would have a - score
he is on Around the horn. he is a meh guy to me, doesn't do anything interesting or anything really junk. this seems out of character to the guy i used to see on Highly Questionable
Oskiii “Get him anywhere” really? Klay at times has been the 3rd and 4th best player on his team at times. Of course he will go further than dame. What would klay do on a team where he’s the best player?
Oskiii dude, look at the rosters tf 😂 even though I like klay Thompson don’t compare their playoff runs. Put klay on the blazers instead of lillard and see what happens
Love to see real basketball guys putting these advanced stats nerds in their place. You cant just make up new stats all the time then not watch the games and act like you know everything based of those stats
Yeah it was fun and everything until my Rockets decide to build a whole ass team based on numbers. Made me hate watching my team and expect a disappointing exit every year
@@tiji905 oh ok, ima be honest I only seen one or two heat games during the regular season, even tho i seen most of their playoff games... but thats why im not a voter either lol
I felt kinda bad about the writer but to be honest, this is what it comes down to today when it comes to sports analysis. You have these people who sit around all day and read stat sheets, sometimes they watch parts of games, and they are paid to form opinions on stuff that they although have some knowledge on, have vey little practical experience in. As sports writers and analysts, they're paid to say outrageous things that are more often than not more interesting than they are true, and they're paid more if they're good at protecting their narratives. Colin Cowherd is an example of this. Dude knows basketball, but what really kills me is, he's used to first coming up with a point, and then focus on some mindless detail and disregard everything else so he makes some sense on his show. It shouldn't be like this. Everybody should be paid to tell the truths.
If I recall correctly, it wasn't that long ago that ESPN had Ronda Rousey on the top 10 list of greatest athletes. Do those guys ever get anything right?
That’s like saying Dennis Rodman wasn’t supposed to be an all star. My man plays his role at the highest level. What else do you want him to do anyways, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
well Klay is averaging 22.3 per game despite being the 3rd option. he is shooting 41% from 3 and 51% from 2p. Lillard, on the other hand, is averaging 27 as a first option lol, shooting 35% from 3 and 49% from 2p. so basically klay would average 30 point if he took the same shots as Lillard (just projection). also, Lillard can't guard a can of coke.
mikediao15 but he is the only player on the team he is making shots for himself and taking most the shots himself klay on the other hand klay has curry and kd to put some relief on klay by making him open
mikediao15 false. Klay would lose every advantage by being a primary option. He wouldn’t shoot a high percentage, sure he’d score more but he wouldn’t play as much defense
I guess we're all going to let the entire conversation distract us from the *142* points on the board by the Warriors with still a minute left to play. lol. Where tf was the defense???
Wtf you want a team to do when they're going against 2 50/40/90 members who are both mvps and a third option who can hit 14 threes in a game and drop 50 on you by doing nothing but catch and shoot.
My favorite part is when I completely agree with Jeff, I was thinking “12 guys?” while Israel was talking and then Jeff showed that he was thinking the same thing lmao
He’s not wrong when it comes to stats but the allstar voting is always weird. Sometimes they favor individual stats, sometimes they favor team success.
Its funny how great perimeter defenders can get disadvantaged by the plus minus stat sometimes, especially on great offensive teams. if you sick 1 guy on the opponents best player, hes going to be on the court going against the best guy all the time...so yeah, every other player on that team will have a nice rotation spending some minutes going against second unit guys, but your stopper will spend all his time against a superstar.
Mark Jackson is so upset because he's the father of this team. Steve Kerr got handed a team that had been meticulously DRAFTED AND BUILT over a few years.
Mark Jackson really should have kept religion out of it. It fractured the lockerroom, it turned management against him, it basically got him blackballed from coaching ever again.
He really wasnt that good of a coach. They could defend, yes, sort of. But they had no offense system. Literally none. Kerr came in and implemented one
@@miguel151420 preach! Don't care that the warriors improved in wins with him on the helm. His offense was dull and iso-heavy compared to what kerr implemented. Mind you, even after incorporating KD's isolations, the offense was a lot less stagnant since there's plenty of movement done off-ball while KD does his thing.
People always disrespect klay because he is the third option on gsw. And I think that is absolute bull. I much rather be the third best option (by far) on one of the best dynasties in NBA history than the first option on a forgetable mediocre team that will get lost in the record books.
Izzy obviously meant 12 guys in the NBA ahead of him (including durant, steph, harden, westbrook, etc). He didnt mean 12 MORE guys. Izzy's point is that he shouldnt have made the all star team, meaning there were 12 guys better this year.. not 24
He did. He literally said it at the end. He said he's a great player and a great asset to the team, but there were 12 players that should've made it over him.
Jeff Van Gundy is also talking to most of you that comment on youtube videos talking about basketball when you try bringing up advanced stats to claim one player is better than the other lol
The media knows nothing, remember when Marc Gasol made All 2nd Defense and won DPOY. The media decided the DPOY and the coaches decided the Defensive Team.
Incorrect, they are a tool like anything else that can be used for player evaluation. However, just like statistics in any other situation, they need context. The teams that use analytics the best combine them with all other facets of coaching and scouting to properly evaluate a player. For example, a player's statistics can drop from year to year, but you have to look at the context. Who is that player playing with? Has his usage dropped? Do they have a new coach? Are they recovering from some sort of injury? Did the team acquire a new player taking away minutes from him? And on and on. The problem with this analysis is that the person looked solely at the stats without applying proper context.
It still boggles my mind that media members and writers get a voice/vote for All-NBA teams and annual awards. This clearly proves how flawed the system is. It’s media narrative that drives the popularity contest.
When you use plus minus as a pure indicator I’m not listening to you. Sure it works to see how a person played in one game but a hot streak of threes from the opponent ruins a plus minus.
And yet, somehow, the most prestigous individul regualr season award is voted on by the media, which, I assume, includes a lot of these "writers". Mindboggling and is precisely why MVP means squat and has for many many years.
This was a few years ago. They lost to the Cavs in the Finals this year. Varejao was going to get a ring from Cleveland since he was on the team for the first half of the season, but he turned it down.
Tony Bass No. They lost with Varejao (trash) in 2016. This was the 2016-17 season after acquiring KD, waiving Varejao during the season, & winning the chip in 2017.
Plus minus stat, if they choose to keep it, should be revised how they derive it. If you watch full games, the plus minus stat doesn’t tell the whole story how a player is playing, if they are actually playing good or bad, heck there are times is completely opposite from the actual game
klay thompson I would love to see him as a 1st 2nd option. I think he is going to go OFF this year with Golden State. 3 pt records beware because he will not be taking it to the basket as much coming off the ACL
JVG's rants are what makes watching a 40 point blowout worth it.
Your right
Facts lol
BEY !!
Unfortunately he was a bum coach and could never do the things he rants about
@@ProliantLife He took his teams to the playoffs year after year, and only missed when Yao and T-Mac went down. Not a HOF coach, but definitely not a bum coach either.
“When I go to the writers to tell me who can guard in this league...I’ll put a gun to my own head.” 😂😂😂
Fuckin ruthless lol
DEAD!!! 😂😂😂😂💀💀💀
ufster81 the thing is, JVG understands the game of basketball on a different level than anyone who is a data miner. There’s merit in the Moneyball type of GM... but Van Gundy doesn’t give a fuck and he’ll let everyone know lol
@ufster81 These modern day analytics people are idiots. They're just making up meaningless weird stats these days.
@ufster81 right and that's why Daryl Moreys Rockets have won multiple champi... oh wait...
"And if Steve Kerr knew his +/- numbers he would have had him on the bench." 😂😂😂 Van Gundy is legit.
facts lol
JVG and mark Jackson absolutely bodied that man lol
+/- is the dumbest stat. Herro scored 37 points for miami a few nights ago and had a -3.
Chris Maylor single-game +/- is a dumb stat. Long-term +/- is a pretty good stat.
Sample size matters
@Stannis Baratheon Either the list is useless, or the list is good and Paul is extremely underrated. U cant really accept the list but leave cp3 out off it
@@SethKasso its just a dumb stat. if Herro Has another similar game where he drops 30+ and gets another -3, then has a game like i believe it was iggy a few years back who played 5 mins 0 shots 0 rebs 0 stl 0 blk and had a +25. he would have to have 9 games of -3 to lose his + stat where as Herro can have 2 bad +/-games and end up with a -9. he would then need 4 games w/+3 to end up in positive light. so iggy had 6 straight bad games he would have a positive +/- but herro who had 6 straight good games would have a - score
@Stannis Baratheon you mean the guy who wants the ball every possession and refuses to play in a system who would've thought
lmao never heard from that izzy dude again after this crazy statement lmao
he is on Around the horn. he is a meh guy to me, doesn't do anything interesting or anything really junk. this seems out of character to the guy i used to see on Highly Questionable
to be fair, I never heard of Izzy before this crazy statement either
damn it's one this to disagree but they undressed this dude on national TV.. vicious
Steve Jobs this a while ago, Steve Jobs. I agree you take Dame over Klay now. You’re just about 3 years late.
Jackson even now I’m taking klay wtf has dame done ever outside of 2 playoffs shots that didn’t get him anywhere ? The klay disrespect is crazy.
LMAO
Oskiii “Get him anywhere” really? Klay at times has been the 3rd and 4th best player on his team at times. Of course he will go further than dame. What would klay do on a team where he’s the best player?
Oskiii dude, look at the rosters tf 😂 even though I like klay Thompson don’t compare their playoff runs. Put klay on the blazers instead of lillard and see what happens
“Somebody should have asked him ‘what are you about to say’, and then not let him say anything” 😂😂😂
😂😂 I cannot stop laughing
Love how Jackson shut him down but also tried his best to save his reputation "Hes normally very good, but that was his worst display"
I like Jackson. Always respectful, but he has his opinion and expresses it well.
Klay is criminally underrated.
No he's not
Isaiah Armand Yes he is dumbass
Klay Thompson is too 10 underrated player of all time. It’s sooooo jarring that he doesn’t get his recognition
@Steve Jobs Klay is better/more clutch than Curry. His only flaw is he cant handle the ball.
Klay carries Steph as much as Steph carries him
"We just wasted bout a minute" 🤣
Haha. As if Jeff doesn't ramble for minutes, on air. It was all in good fun. I enjoyed it
Love to see real basketball guys putting these advanced stats nerds in their place. You cant just make up new stats all the time then not watch the games and act like you know everything based of those stats
Zoul125 it's the average NBA fan nowadays, the type that think LeBron is the GOAT.
Zoul125 Agreed same here well said
Agreed as well.
@@fatfuck2384 agreed lol
Yeah it was fun and everything until my Rockets decide to build a whole ass team based on numbers. Made me hate watching my team and expect a disappointing exit every year
"sometimes…just don't say anything" f'ing roasted. About as close to a public execution you can get on an NBA broadcast.
if the writers know so little why do so many get votes?
seems like a stupid system.
And thats exactly why Kendrick nunn was first team rookie over tyler herro
@@parisangelo1753 😖
@@parisangelo1753 to be fair Tyler herro didnt play like he is right now in the regular season
@@tiji905 oh ok, ima be honest I only seen one or two heat games during the regular season, even tho i seen most of their playoff games... but thats why im not a voter either lol
Paris Armstrong Speaking of which, why tf has Nunn barely played all playoffs?
And Izzy was never seen or heard of since...
😂😂 facts I’m just thinking this.
He switched to women's volleyball.
2 head coaches laying down the truth.. Guy should've retired on the spot... Lol!!!
@Mr. Bovine Joni lol!!!
And they muted his mic 😂
Fam, did you see the score in the game? Haha it was like 139 - 94 at one point! That's the type of score you have on 2K (rookie level) hahahahaha
Mabsss33 Team USA was killing the league the whole season.
I get that score on hall of fame level son. Come at me.
How to improve NBA viewer ratings: Jeff Van Gundy + Bill Walton on commentary every game.
And Reggie! He's rediculous and has a nerdy voice. He's prime meme material
Reggie Miller saying this is your codak moment when half the people watching don’t even know what that is
@@Ashish-xm9ol Kodak *
I felt kinda bad about the writer but to be honest, this is what it comes down to today when it comes to sports analysis. You have these people who sit around all day and read stat sheets, sometimes they watch parts of games, and they are paid to form opinions on stuff that they although have some knowledge on, have vey little practical experience in. As sports writers and analysts, they're paid to say outrageous things that are more often than not more interesting than they are true, and they're paid more if they're good at protecting their narratives. Colin Cowherd is an example of this. Dude knows basketball, but what really kills me is, he's used to first coming up with a point, and then focus on some mindless detail and disregard everything else so he makes some sense on his show. It shouldn't be like this. Everybody should be paid to tell the truths.
Jasper Jamm in short, paid trolls.
If I recall correctly, it wasn't that long ago that ESPN had Ronda Rousey on the top 10 list of greatest athletes. Do those guys ever get anything right?
I think ESPN made Izzy say that just so they could roast him and keep people from changing the channel lol
That’s like saying Dennis Rodman wasn’t supposed to be an all star. My man plays his role at the highest level. What else do you want him to do anyways, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
He wasn’t an all star when he played with Jordan which is ridiculous
But if we're being honest Lillard definitely was an all star, not over klay but maybe over hayward or gasol
well Klay is averaging 22.3 per game despite being the 3rd option. he is shooting 41% from 3 and 51% from 2p.
Lillard, on the other hand, is averaging 27 as a first option lol, shooting 35% from 3 and 49% from 2p. so basically klay would average 30 point if he took the same shots as Lillard (just projection). also, Lillard can't guard a can of coke.
mikediao15 but he is the only player on the team he is making shots for himself and taking most the shots himself klay on the other hand klay has curry and kd to put some relief on klay by making him open
check the games Curry doesn't play, klay always put up 30- 40 points.
mikediao15 lmao
mikediao15 false. Klay would lose every advantage by being a primary option. He wouldn’t shoot a high percentage, sure he’d score more but he wouldn’t play as much defense
mikediao15 lillard isn't just the first option he's the first of 2. Meaning defenses are zeroing in on him. So your point is way off
Izzy had a “better update my resume moment” on national tv after they laid into him.
I guess we're all going to let the entire conversation distract us from the *142* points on the board by the Warriors with still a minute left to play. lol. Where tf was the defense???
Well the warriors were unstoppable
Wtf you want a team to do when they're going against 2 50/40/90 members who are both mvps and a third option who can hit 14 threes in a game and drop 50 on you by doing nothing but catch and shoot.
@@SnAkEyEs9876 😂😂😂 good times man
@@buddharocks492 not for most of the league lmao
The defense was done by writers busy looking at stats.
Jeff van gundy is my president....perfectly represents how I feel about the game
This is why I enjoy games being on abc now in the playoffs. Mike breen, Jeff van gundy, and mark jackson
My favorite part is when I completely agree with Jeff, I was thinking “12 guys?” while Israel was talking and then Jeff showed that he was thinking the same thing lmao
More like mark jackson shut him down...
1:35 he was tryna play it off at first but then the look of pain set in REEEEALLL quick 😂😂👏🏽👏🏽
he does not care, he's been doing this for 20+ years.
som stupid writers or reporters always look solely on the stupid stats lol
some*
Yep and then they vote for Westbrick for mvp.
U can't be an All-star without putting up numbers. Period, a guy wouldn't make an All-star averaging 2.2 ppg.
why didn't you just edit your original post instead of commenting on it to correct it?
Diamond Lion bro that's just people who really don't know basketball and just follow thhe narratives that these commentators boast.
That gun line almost got him fired
Seriously?
That dude looks like an older, Mexican version of Steve-o
True
he don’t even look mexican . dude look dominican or puerto rican
this the guy who said rudy gay is a more clutch player than kobe bryant lol
Well it worked lol
Jeff Van Gundy and Mark Jackson should have a podcast
Utterly insane ESPN fired this man.
When I watched this I immediately thought about Charles Barkleys rant about analytics. He would lose his mind listening to this guy talk 😂😂
"I'm stunned" 😂😂😂 lmaooo
JVG brutality destroyed Izzy, Mark Jackson voice” Mama there goes that man”
they killed his career after this
The year is 2024, nobody has heard from the writer since this segment.
He’s not wrong when it comes to stats but the allstar voting is always weird. Sometimes they favor individual stats, sometimes they favor team success.
Rachel Nichols it's another one that shouldn't be talking basketball
She shouldn’t even have a job still for how she slandered Derrick Rose.
@@Vito_Caligiuri exactly! and that time when she spoke about LBJ should be MVP because Kobes (RIP) death. She also slandered Kobe in the past
Ill hit though.... she can get it
Brian Nola cmon bruh
Please bring back these 3 together😭😭
This is why Israel Guiterrez is a sideline reporter/writer and JVG is a commentator/ head coach.
“hold up, 12?! he wouldn’t have even made the second all-star team” lmao 😂💀
thank you, Jeff, that was amazing right from the get go
Klay is such an underrated player. He's an incredible defender which isn't talked as nearly much as his offensive skills are mentioned.
Damn Golden State blowing the Clippers out. 🤣🤣🤣
If I were Izzy I would be to embarrassed to ever come back on air
Its funny how great perimeter defenders can get disadvantaged by the plus minus stat sometimes, especially on great offensive teams. if you sick 1 guy on the opponents best player, hes going to be on the court going against the best guy all the time...so yeah, every other player on that team will have a nice rotation spending some minutes going against second unit guys, but your stopper will spend all his time against a superstar.
Mark Jackson is so upset because he's the father of this team. Steve Kerr got handed a team that had been meticulously DRAFTED AND BUILT over a few years.
Mark Jackson really should have kept religion out of it. It fractured the lockerroom, it turned management against him, it basically got him blackballed from coaching ever again.
herishmerish he also just wasn’t that great of a coach
He really wasnt that good of a coach. They could defend, yes, sort of. But they had no offense system. Literally none. Kerr came in and implemented one
Steve Kerr is a much better coach
@@miguel151420 preach! Don't care that the warriors improved in wins with him on the helm. His offense was dull and iso-heavy compared to what kerr implemented. Mind you, even after incorporating KD's isolations, the offense was a lot less stagnant since there's plenty of movement done off-ball while KD does his thing.
I’ve never heard this guys name since 😂 YESSS GO JVG
Izzy used advanced statistics to defend his position and all JVG responded with is you’re a writer and writers don’t know shit about defense
People always disrespect klay because he is the third option on gsw. And I think that is absolute bull. I much rather be the third best option (by far) on one of the best dynasties in NBA history than the first option on a forgetable mediocre team that will get lost in the record books.
A third option while averaging 21 WITH THE BEST SCORING PG OF ALL TIME AND THE BEST SCORER OF ALL TIME. Like these media guys be crazy yo.
"now I'm not saying I'm right"
Izzy obviously meant 12 guys in the NBA ahead of him (including durant, steph, harden, westbrook, etc). He didnt mean 12 MORE guys. Izzy's point is that he shouldnt have made the all star team, meaning there were 12 guys better this year.. not 24
Matt Schwartz Are you sure? He didnt correct them when they said it.
He did. He literally said it at the end. He said he's a great player and a great asset to the team, but there were 12 players that should've made it over him.
Matt Schwartz, you gotta look at how the teams doing too, blazers record was not great. klay isnt a stat chaser so you cant just look at the stats
But he's wrong either way
We’re not getting this with Doris Burke
warriors were damn near up 50 on the clippers....this season was fr a trip
Man I miss JVG and Mark Jackson 😔 Now we have Doris Burke and JJ Reddick......smfh😡
!!!!
Jeff Van Gundy is also talking to most of you that comment on youtube videos talking about basketball when you try bringing up advanced stats to claim one player is better than the other lol
It’s so sad how people don’t appreciate him :( I get it his quite he isn’t flashy but he has heart
Raymond Felton was in Big3 shape lol
The media knows nothing, remember when Marc Gasol made All 2nd Defense and won DPOY. The media decided the DPOY and the coaches decided the Defensive Team.
He ain't lying. Dame should've NEVER been snubbed because of him.
No Gordon Hayward was the guy who shouldn't have made it in front of Dame... Klay deserved it
Advanced stats are for people that have never hooped in their life
Incorrect, they are a tool like anything else that can be used for player evaluation. However, just like statistics in any other situation, they need context. The teams that use analytics the best combine them with all other facets of coaching and scouting to properly evaluate a player. For example, a player's statistics can drop from year to year, but you have to look at the context. Who is that player playing with? Has his usage dropped? Do they have a new coach? Are they recovering from some sort of injury? Did the team acquire a new player taking away minutes from him? And on and on. The problem with this analysis is that the person looked solely at the stats without applying proper context.
Is that flight wearing number 0?
This is gold
This was great 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dame shuda been an all star before klay
This is what we call being extra on somebody
change Jeff Van Gundy in title to Mark Jackson!
damnn he got shutdown
It still boggles my mind that media members and writers get a voice/vote for All-NBA teams and annual awards. This clearly proves how flawed the system is. It’s media narrative that drives the popularity contest.
The sadder part is those awards affect his contract and it happen again a writer screwed him and he couldn’t get the super max
When you use plus minus as a pure indicator I’m not listening to you. Sure it works to see how a person played in one game but a hot streak of threes from the opponent ruins a plus minus.
lol jeff letting the truth slip out a little bit here. these sports reporters dont know shit! if they didnt play or coach, they dont know shit!
Lmaooo Mark said who co-signed this? 💀💀
I’m not saying i agree with the reporter, but i do believe Dame was snubbed that year
Writers and journos who have never played any sports,suddenly are fucking experts on everything,JVG ,I’ll hold a gun to my head,fucking brilliant
This was a slam dunk argument for Marc and Jeff lol
I just wish both Dame and Klay coulda been allstars that year :(
Izzy is an analytics guy. Charles Barkley describes guys who live by analytics perfectly. That's Izzy
To be fair the reporter was right m it should have been Damian Lillard instead of Klay that year
I LOVE Jeff Vangundy!
And yet, somehow, the most prestigous individul regualr season award is voted on by the media, which, I assume, includes a lot of these "writers". Mindboggling and is precisely why MVP means squat and has for many many years.
ANDERSON VARAJAO still plays!?!?!? What?!?!?
And oh my God he played/plays on the warriors??
This was a few years ago. They lost to the Cavs in the Finals this year. Varejao was going to get a ring from Cleveland since he was on the team for the first half of the season, but he turned it down.
Tony Bass
No. They lost with Varejao (trash) in 2016. This was the 2016-17 season after acquiring KD, waiving Varejao during the season, & winning the chip in 2017.
That jus let you know it's FAVORITES
In the NBA today, if Klay is healthy, he’s easily the 1st or 2nd best SG (if you label him as that) in the League.
Jackson trash talk tooooo good❤
Plus minus stat, if they choose to keep it, should be revised how they derive it. If you watch full games, the plus minus stat doesn’t tell the whole story how a player is playing, if they are actually playing good or bad, heck there are times is completely opposite from the actual game
JVG... never change
This idea that stats and film are divorced is hilarious STATS ARE BASED ON FILM
These numbers don't come from nowhere
His take did make sense though
Sports writers have never dribbled a ball in their life and it shows. Good thing the guy got flamed by them
Bahahahaha!! Never took Izzys takes seriously
Owned....
klay thompson I would love to see him as a 1st 2nd option. I think he is going to go OFF this year with Golden State. 3 pt records beware because he will not be taking it to the basket as much coming off the ACL
TELL IT LIKE IT IS JEFF
Sometimes you just don't say anything