Oddity Archive: Episode 220.1 - Ben’s Junk: JVC HM-DH30000U & Mitsubishi HD-HS2000U D-VHS VCR’s
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2021
- A double-(4)-header of D-VHS (when possible) goodness!
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Thanks, Benny! I agree, the proprietary firewire is the biggest drawback of the Mits, as they required other Mits TVs or compatible cable boxes to record/playback DVHS content :/ Even when you have the equipment, it tended to be very finicky at best. Probably one of many reasons Mits is out of the TV business.
Backstory:
I got that Mits D-VHS off of fleabay a few years ago for $400. I thought it would be better considering I already had a Mits DLP HD TV at the time.
My first Mits 62" 720P DLP HDTV died (bad design, due to lack of cooling for overheating capacitors) and a 1080P replacement that Mits upgraded me for $300 (lawsuit settlement) which was an upgrade.
The new 65" DLP screen crapped out after a few years with more and more missing pixels. So I cowboy'd up and bought a Ssmsung 4k a couple years ago which has served me well ever since. But that meant my D-VHS went idle for a while in my garage. So, that explains the gunk you had to clean to get it working again (Pollen in Texas is hella bad).
I read there was compatability problems with the JVC, so I went with the Mits. I guess I was wrong. After reviewing this and your D-VHS 4.0 review, I made a mistake. I should have spent the extra for the JVC.
Anyhoo, glad I was able to contribute to this video, I enjoyed it lots!
The real problem was the lack of Firewire equipped TVs and tuners. The industry was going towards Firewire as a standard HD video interconnect only to completely change direction and move towards component and later HDMI (likely because of piracy concerns). The FCC Firewire mandate is the only reason why the interconnect survived on cable boxes because they were worried that early adopters would have no choice of hardware.
I can confirm the finicky part. The Samsung SIR-T165 ATSC tuner is a buggy pile of dung when it comes to interfacing with my JVC DVHS deck. It has a great feature set though, how many ATSC tuners do you see with VGA output? That tuner (or a similar Panasonic model) was the "missing piece" Ben needed with the HS-HD2000U to play/record DVHS footage. JVC did the world a favor by building in the required MPEG2 hardware in their decks to record/playback DVHS tapes without an external box.
@@NJRoadfan Thanks for that tidbit of info!
When that model started talking without sound, I was thinking "I wonder if anyone can read lips?" Literally one second later you put up the graphic "Any lip readers out there?" I mean, it lined up perfectly. :)
Well, good morning Oddity Archive friends!
Well *this* comment didn't age well, hardy har har.
(context for people reading this in the future I'm posting this at noon)
(Subbed to your channel, ma'am)
@@chuckufarlie8215 YOU CANNOT GO WRONG WITH AVERY. SHE IS FANTASTIC. SUPER UNDERRATED UA-camR. RAWR.
@@mysfiring Looks like it. I just watched one video about one of my favorite cartoons from my youngster years and It looks like smooth sailing from here. (I used to tape The Adventures of Dungeons and Dragons every Saturday morning, watched the tapes for decades!)
If only Doug Demuro started reviewing consumer electronics. He'd have a field day with the quirks and features on that Mitsubishi remote alone.
The remote for Japanese market Victor HM-DHX1 (sold as the JVC HM-DH40000U here in the US) has a LCD screen on it. The US market remote omitted it.
'*THISSSS* is a JVC HM-DH30000U, DVHS and D-theatre compatible VCR. *AND TODAY, I'M GOING TO REVIEW IT!* First, I'm going to take you on a tour of this JVC, and I'm going to show you all its interesting quirks and features, THEN I'm going to give it a VHS tape, and THEN I'll give it a DougScore!'
lol.
Doug DeMoan
Thanks so much for the direct feed tests. I've been on the fence about buying a unit and this h elped out a lot!
The way the narrator says D Theater is so funny...
I don't know why it is, but it'd so awkward, yet so enjoyable with how it's said.
16:13 Also, JVC should've also introduced D-VHS-C, a digital variant of the Smaller VHS-C cassette, to compete with Digital8 and MiniDV, but with A LOT of advantages over the other competing digital videotape formats, such as instant clip selection and access, like what started to appear on the Non-Tape video camera formats such as the DVD and SD Card or even Hard Disk Camcorders, but on Digital VHS Tape. Plus you can delete footage, unlike DVDs, and more easily than Digital8 or MiniDV! D-VHS-C will have time and date information digitally encoded onto the tape from the Camcorder, and each time you record a clip, it can additionally encode a finalization code at the end of a clip you finished recording and save that clip as a video file onto the tape (something that Digital8 and MiniDV were probably or mostly incapable of doing). And, it lets download videos to your computer from either USB or Firewire, as opposed to dubbing or capturing video from Digital8 or MiniDV. But, you would still need an adapter to play the tape of course, but the adapter would be modified with the additional holes that indicates the VCR has a D-VHS cassette inserted. IF you were to put the analog VHS-C or S-VHS-C cassette into an adaptor for the D-VHS-C cassette, the VCR will think that the tape is digital, but will have trouble playing it back, so if it reads the analog tape as digital, it automatically ejects cassette adapter from the VCR, since the formulation isn't compatible. It would do the same if you put a D-VHS-C Tape into an adapter for the Analog VHS-C or S-VHS-C tapes.
The JVC DVHS had a companion ATSC tuner that was just as large as the VCR. It used the Firewire port to record off air ATSC. I had that tuner, but was finicky as ****. But the TBC was great, and I used it to capture ED-Beta tapes I recorded from USSB satellite.
Wow, this all looks so real!
13:12 *OH COME ON*
Gotta love it!!! Looks almost like DVD quality on Super and Normal VHS!!!
With those promotional VHS test tapes again in this video, I can't help but feel there's an unsettling resemblance between the test footage and the footage they use for those weird karaoke laser disks. Like you could interchange them completely and not even the sharpest of eyes could tell the difference. I expected an accent heavy, lethargic version of a 70's Singers and Songwriters track to play during that beach B-roll.
As someone who owns, 2 30k's, 3 40k's, 2 1100u's, and a 2000u. 40k's are trash, 30k's are the best if component out is your only option or just want d-theater, 1100u have solid playback but record like trash, and 2000u is the clear winner if you have firewire. My 2000u connected to my Sony 34XBR960 is literally the best way to watch/record on dvhs
At a minimum, Benny got some use from the blank D-VHS tapes I sent!
The JVC S-VHS 9911U decks have that same problem with loading the tape; it takes a bit more "force" to get it to suck the tape in than your ordinary VCR, and sometimes it spits the tape out halfway in sometimes. The case/chassis, except for the shuttle dial on the 9911U, is a dead ringer for this D-VHS deck, down to the extraneous door in front.
Nice end music!❤❤❤
Retro Toys with very nice look ...
Wow, your JVC deck does DV to Mpeg2 codec conversion? that's really interesting. I wonder if the Mitsubishi would connect to a MicroMV camcorder which is already in Mpeg2 format.
If you want to do DVHS Firewire to a laptop there are two utilities called CapDVHS and Disk2Tape. One day I'm going to try these with a MicroMV camcorder to see if they work.
You mentioned dual units requiring separate outputs for the DVD and VHS sections. On your thrift-ventures, seek out the Magnavox dual VCR/DVD recorder with HDMI output. This unit actually outputs both VHS and DVD through the HDMI. Paired with an HDMI capture device, I've gotten really good VHS transfers this way... certainly better than a $14 Chinese EZCap device! lol
Hey Ben. Long time subscriber. I always look forward to your videos, you're one of the best. And you're very consistent in that you post every week on Thursdays without fail. I note though that your video title for the Mitsubishi says HD-HS2000U, but on-screen at 11:59 it says HS-HD2000U. Just advising.
My bad.
So glad you did q part 2 of D-VHS....I wonder if you have any of the D-Theater tapes?
There were 3 PAL models, none had HD capability. But they did accept DV signal andconverted it on the fly to MPEG to record on D-VHS. There was no FW output though.
But my manual from PAnasonic on a japanese D-VHS shows hat it can accept camcorder sources, I need to inspect it more closely.
Is the test footage at the end available as a digital source, or is it transfered from a demo tape?
That Feature Presentation frmo PAramount is so engraved in my mind after watching hundreds of Star Trek VHS tapes wirh 1 episode per tape...
Consumer VHS RC with LCD? Around 1992 i had a Sony standard VHS (without stereo, only LP), which came with a RMT-V275: you could do all the programming of start&stop time on the RC's little screen with up&down keys for each digit of hour/minute/date and then send it to the VHS... not that it did make much sense, but that was their sales pitch.
I had a Sony VHS vcr that had the wheel shuttle. It was fun to use.
Mitsubishi is a brand I tended to avoid. Enjoyed the JVC. I do remember what Tech Moan said. It is very loud.
Could you lower the volume of the bell sound? It is hard to fall to sleep to your videos with all that racket.
You can have the same with DVR'S because it's the same frequency
Best VCR if you love resolution compatible. I paid for mine a grand. It's spectacular and does alot of 😎 things. The movies are d theatre 🎭 and got a great TV . This is for video files, cost was extremely expensive, blu cheaper.
If JVC focused on recording 1080p on tape instead of just 1080i the D-VHS format would have had a chance to compete with Blu-Ray and HD-DVD since it has the recording capabilities, But I guess MPEG-2 was not efficient enough to make that happens on a 50GB tape.
13:25 and 14:55 VHS tape on DVHS Machine
Paramount Feature Presentation Logo on DVD (For Quality Comparison): ua-cam.com/video/LwEhhzNHmlM/v-deo.html
D-VHS was obviously JVC's underfunded format in keeping VHS alive, more specifically D-Theater in general. (2:58, 4:12, 6:15, 10:15)
This second part of the video is great and I know D-VHS Because of Techmoan in 2016.
3:32 What about PCs? Macs and some PCs do have firewire ports, but i think it wouldn't do better than those camcorders you mentioned, unless someone made a decoder for those codecs?
It does not work with a computer. I tried both my PC and Mac when I first got it-it won’t recognize either.
Of course neither of these will play linear stereo. The D-VHS only outputs analog VHS sound through the analog outputs, the later models could output it as PCM through the optical output (and also access DTS tracks on D-Theater tapes, which the first model can't do- shades of first-generation DVD players). I still don't own a single S-VHS tape, never thought to just search for demo tapes but I ought to do that. Searching for the few movie titles on S-VHS is like finding a needle in a haystack as tons of the regular VHS editions show up.
They are wicked hard to find. In the last 34 years, when S-VHS was released, I have never found a S-VHS movie in any retail store, thrift store, garage sale, flea market or anything. Found a few blank S-VHS tape that were new, but nothing prerecorded.
@@johnathin0061892 because svhs never was home equipment. It was marketed as "pro" devices with sick prices
I was actually wondering how it would be taken as calling the music in this video Cash Converters Jean Michel Jarre be seen as unkind or as some kind of praise? (as in, if Jean Michel Jarre only had an Atari ST and gear he bought from Cash Converters, this is the music he'd produce - but then again, Jean Michel Jarre may well have used an Atari ST in the 1990s, a lot of European electronic artists did)
I also wonder if the IBA ever considered the possibilities of putting some form of MAC directly onto VHS? MAC was a format that was basically S-Video in the form of a broadcast signal with added digital sound and apparently it did have the potential of widescreen and HDTV broadcasts.
It was intended to be the format for satellite TV in the UK with satellite TV being regulated by the UK government and broadcast in D-MAC or D2-MAC but Rupert Murdoch rented some space on a Luxembourger satellite and transmitted his programmes in regular PAL, which at the time (the late 1980s to early 1990s) was good enough for most people's TV setups of the day, so the UK government regulated satellite TV service was basically destroyed by Rupert Murdoch.
The MAC standard would probably make for a good video as MAC is very much an oddity (albeit a European oddity rather than an American one) and Applemask has done a series of videos on the storied history of BSB (government regulated satellite TV) vs Sky (Rupert Murdoch's satellite TV)
Ben, this will forevermore be the best repository of dvhs of the 2020's. It's a crying shame it won't be fully appreciated for another two centuries.
how is this VCR still working? I was looking into getting one. thanks!
Last time i used it, it was ok. Given the obscurity of the format, I’ve been trying to keep the hours to a minimum.
if only these D-VHS VCRs had component inputs, then they may have caught on
content providers would have freaked the hell out and tied it up in courts long enough to kill it anyways.
While you can't plug component into the deck, component to firewire devices does exist, dunno they exist in the early 2000s though, probably not