Sonic TALK 790 - Elyra Keytar, Cherry CR-78, Code Oscillators in hardware or VST

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  • Опубліковано 7 вер 2024

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  • @sonicstate
    @sonicstate  4 місяці тому

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  • @EannaButler
    @EannaButler 6 місяців тому +4

    Thanks each and all for your engaging commentary!
    Episodes such as this is why Sonic Talk will always be relevant.. 👍

  • @rogerzinn8898
    @rogerzinn8898 6 місяців тому +4

    More Richard please!

  • @WildernessMusic_GentleSerene
    @WildernessMusic_GentleSerene 6 місяців тому +1

    Always great to hear the debate on digital verses analog. My studio represents my assessment of the debate; it is 100% hardware, I use one to four voice analog synths for solo leads, and I use digital synths for all polyphonic needs. And I use unison digital synths for solo leads such as a 4 voice ACB Roland Boutique in unison. And I will only use analog synths when sampling. (I use a computer to master only, otherwise the studio is 100% hardware including a hardware 24 track recorder).

  • @theaudioeng
    @theaudioeng 6 місяців тому +2

    Great content this stream Nick, Richard, Steve & Paulee, a lot resonated with me (at my age .... !). See the Sonic crew following Friday evening in Bath FC clubhouse - ticket bought before Nick even thought about the next EMOM #4 !! 😁🙌🎵🎶🎹🍻

  • @SynthgodXXX
    @SynthgodXXX 6 місяців тому +4

    Excellent discussion today! Good digital oscillator options for me would be the Korg Z1, Nord Lead 2 & Access Virus Indigo....

  • @BF-up5xw
    @BF-up5xw 6 місяців тому +2

    What a crime. Richard didn't mention that Pittsburgh Modular's new module, Local Parks, is all about manipulating square waves. I think Nick might have been more than a little interested...
    A wonderful panel and it was lovely to hear everyone's insights.

  • @tuttib1902
    @tuttib1902 6 місяців тому +2

    Very enjoyable and informative episode.

  • @D.B..
    @D.B.. 6 місяців тому +4

    There are no keys, so it is not a keytar. It has buttons, so buttar?

    • @bllinstruments
      @bllinstruments 6 місяців тому

      Or synthar, or synth ? ok we choose Elyra, like E-Lyra you know

  • @DonnDeVoreMusic
    @DonnDeVoreMusic 6 місяців тому +2

    Keytars make me think of Edgar Winter Frankenstein, Prince, Gem and the Holograms, 80s Pink Floyd, and those SH-101 ads.

  • @jonbirchartist
    @jonbirchartist 6 місяців тому +2

    Really great show!

  • @Dogboy73
    @Dogboy73 6 місяців тому +1

    Miss my Korg MS2000. Great synth. HUGELY Underrated synth. I know Korg have a new MicroKorg. I'd love a new MS2000, with the same hands on control of the original.

  • @laokoon303
    @laokoon303 6 місяців тому +3

    Strawberry Switchblade!
    Richard, please, make the VRL2 as easily available in Europe as the West Pest was!

  • @apislapis
    @apislapis 6 місяців тому +2

    Great to see Richard on the panel. Nice tee Steve are Strawberry Switchblade t-shirts still being made? Would love one, love that album.

    • @stevehillieruk
      @stevehillieruk 6 місяців тому

      I honestly don't know, but I adore that album too.

  • @Angelstarscotland
    @Angelstarscotland 6 місяців тому +1

    HI Nick and Company, Really good discussions always. Regarding Elyra from BLL Instruments, I agree completely it's not a keytar - it has a Fret Board. I do think it's a great way for guitarists to access synths. Sorry Nick (btw I totally respect you and really enjoy your content) but I take slight umbrage with the comment that keytars are for only emulating real guitars and playing basslines. For starters synth guitar is a completely different thing. Preset 004 on the JD800 sounds NOTHING like a real guitar but it is IMHO one of the greatest lead sounds you could play. Then you have all your funky synth lead solos and not to mention your talk box and vocoder stuff which is far better from a performance point of view on the Keytar. I really don't see why there needs to be a PRO/AGAINST Keytar debate it's just like playing any other synth.

    • @bllinstruments
      @bllinstruments 6 місяців тому

      This is exactly our goal, to allow us to have the versatility of the synth sound, while keeping the dynamics of the guitar playing!

    • @Angelstarscotland
      @Angelstarscotland 6 місяців тому

      @@bllinstruments and we’ll acheived

  • @Psychlist1972
    @Psychlist1972 6 місяців тому +3

    If you close your eyes and just listen, especially around 31 minutes in, Richard Nicol sounds a *lot* like Penn Jillette

    • @Jason75913
      @Jason75913 6 місяців тому +2

      With magnifying lenses for glasses, lol
      I haven't seen anything like that in a long time.
      Nevertheless, it's cool to have a dev on the show.

    • @pittsburghmodular
      @pittsburghmodular 6 місяців тому +1

      That's a new one! Usually he gets Seth Rogen 😆

  • @leslie1526
    @leslie1526 6 місяців тому +1

    Hardware Dco as mentioned is identical to software Dco
    What you are paying for by getting hardware is instant hands on control

  • @user-cv8ud8qo9f
    @user-cv8ud8qo9f 6 місяців тому

    Had the CR-78 for 5 days now ... every time I switch it on it gives me song ideas and boy does it groove ... great sounds ... really easy to use ... I'm even thinking of it when I'm not in the studio ... I think that may mean I'm infatuated! ... less than £50 ... it's the bargain of the year.

  • @nickdestruct
    @nickdestruct 6 місяців тому +1

    Surprised no one mentioned Richards Atari game collection. Or maybe it's 8 tracks? Too blurry to read 😮

  • @jonbirchartist
    @jonbirchartist 6 місяців тому +1

    CR78 is still my favourite sounding drum machine. Steve got it bang on... it's small in sound, but satisfyingly full and round. It really draws you in. It ticks all my nostalgia buttons and makes me want to make music... which is nice. 🙂

    • @leslie1526
      @leslie1526 6 місяців тому +1

      Strangely not released by Roland Cloud yet ?

    • @jonbirchartist
      @jonbirchartist 6 місяців тому

      @@leslie1526 I found Roland Cloud too annoying and got rid of it. 🙂

  • @jonbirchartist
    @jonbirchartist 6 місяців тому +5

    I'd love to have heard Peter Gabriel's 'Bilko'. 😀

  • @leslie1526
    @leslie1526 6 місяців тому +1

    Strange that Roland hasn’t released CR78 yet as part of their Cloud service….?
    Than again, Roland hasn’t released any new instruments since 2022 😮

    • @julzsadventuresinmusic7492
      @julzsadventuresinmusic7492 6 місяців тому

      They updated some of their recent drum machines's firmware and included a cr78 kit

  • @rabbitnoize
    @rabbitnoize 6 місяців тому

    Chainsaw is one of the sweetest hardware digital oscillators, no doubt

  • @heartajack
    @heartajack 6 місяців тому +1

    I love referring to badly designed interfaces as "mean spirited." Made me laugh.

  • @WildernessMusic_GentleSerene
    @WildernessMusic_GentleSerene 6 місяців тому

    Keytars: Guitars have an audience advantage because the playing surface faces the audience. A keyboardist cannot play with both hands on a keytar or guitar positioned keyboard. Keytars are not the answer to bring a keyboardist center/front stage. A standard plain rectangle keyboard with a strap suspended by the shoulders hanging over the hip area of the body with the back of the keyboard flat against the body would be a good position. The audience would view the instrument upside down but have full view of the playing surface. Now the keyboardist can really show off for a short time.

  • @GregoryKane11
    @GregoryKane11 6 місяців тому +1

    What a brilliant show ... I really, really enjoyed that. Well done all.

  • @temporoboto
    @temporoboto 6 місяців тому +2

    a particularly good episode.💙

  • @zemertz
    @zemertz 6 місяців тому +1

    Luke Skywalker wants his light sabre back

  • @leslie1526
    @leslie1526 6 місяців тому +1

    That is not correct Pollie,
    Modern computer systems and software utilise Modelling not sampling
    There is NO “stepping” in Vst’s as long as long as they virtualise original Dco instead of sample it…

    • @magicalsynthadventure3216
      @magicalsynthadventure3216 6 місяців тому +1

      Some of them use sampling 😊, anything with wavetables is essentially very short looped samples.

  • @MarkoDeLaVoota
    @MarkoDeLaVoota 6 місяців тому

    9:20 they will be 15-16 and that is worrying 😅

  • @DurararaX2
    @DurararaX2 6 місяців тому

    That Elyra is total cringe, like someone playing with their PC keyboard. Playing one on stage would be absurd. If you MUST use a Keytar (please don't) get the Roland for the full cheese effect. (but please don't, we buried keytars for a reason).

    • @bllinstruments
      @bllinstruments 6 місяців тому

      I hope you will have the opportunity to change your mind by trying Elyra for real!!

  • @ChrisP3000x
    @ChrisP3000x 6 місяців тому +1

    Keytar designs are always terrible. My favorite has always been my KX5 with small keys.
    But even so, they should always have either all black keys or reverse keys.
    Suzuki wood melodions are a step in the right direction. Never the standard white/black keys.....never never never.....looks so dumb.

    • @bllinstruments
      @bllinstruments 6 місяців тому

      it's true that it's not a keytar, it's more of an electronic guitar with string and strumming type zone

    • @ChrisP3000x
      @ChrisP3000x 6 місяців тому +1

      @@bllinstruments If it was, then it would have physical knobs, buttons, etc... Having to hunch over and STARE at it, ruins the entire standing performance aspect.

    • @bllinstruments
      @bllinstruments 6 місяців тому

      @@ChrisP3000x maybe our demonstrator is getting his bearings and looking at the instrument too much, but I admit I don't understand your point, many good guitarists or bassists play by looking at their neck, right?

    • @ChrisP3000x
      @ChrisP3000x 6 місяців тому +1

      @@bllinstruments You don't to understand it. You just have to accept the way most of us think.

  • @TikiLoungeZombie
    @TikiLoungeZombie 6 місяців тому

    Cognitive Load! 😵‍💫