Rare ARP 2600 Blue Marvin Discovery w/ Ryan Hawkins & Rob Rosen
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ABOUT THIS VIDEO
Join Ryan Hawkins and me for an in-depth look at an extremely rare ARP 2600 called the "Blue Marvin". It was the first ARP 2600 prototype created in 1971 before the later gray faced Tonus versions of the instrument were made for sale to the public. There are a lot of quirky physical aspects to this beauty since it was never really completed for final production, but in spite of that, it sounds magnificent! In particular, there is a type of harmonic distortion that it delivers only to be found on the original R.A. Moog modular synths from the late 1960's through the early 1970's.
You'll also hear the back story about how it was found in a post office, changed hands and then how it was restored by Ryan. We'll explore the front panel by comparing it to the first production Tonus model and also give you a Hands-on demonstration of the compelling sounds that it delivers. All music in this video is composed and performed by Ryan.
00:00 Intro
00:08 Music Interlude 1
00:19 The Story: Finding the Blue Marvin
06:11 Rob Rosen @RosenSound replaces the power jack
07:36 About the original modules (rectangular vs later square versions)
08:25 Under he Hood with Rob Rosen
10:21 Music Interlude 2
10:31 "Blue Marvin": 2600 vs Tonus 2600 Differences
16:36 Music Interlude 3
17:10 Missing Items compared to later models
22:40 Who was "Marvin"
23:05 @AlexBallMusic Story of "Blue Marvin"
24:16 13-note chromatic scale
25:12 Keyboard Differences - "Blue Marvin" Keyboard vs ARP 3620 Keyboard
26:31 Face Differences - "Blue Marvin" 2600 Face vs Tonus 2600 Face
27:16 Making Sounds on the "Blue Marvin"
27:36 Incredible Harmonic Distortion on the "Blue Meanie" 2600
30:03 Ryan's Favorite Sounds on the "Blue Meanie 2600
31:12 Sample and Hold with a sine wave
31:45 "Blue Marvin" - Reverb
33:25 "Blue Marvin - The Way it's Built
34:33 Plugging in a Microphone
35:40 ARP 2600 Layout Designed for Learning
36:52 "Blue Marvin" at Synthplex
38:03 About Ryan Hawkins
38:21 Conclusion
39:17 End Credits Music by Ryan Hawkins
45:20 AMM Logo
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ABOUT ANTHONY
Anthony's musical touch as both composer and performer is connected with some of the most influential creative minds over the last 40 years. He’s composed and conducted original orchestral scores for over 80 feature films including Young Guns , Internal Affairs , The Man From Elysian Fields , 15 Minutes and Planes, Trains & Automobiles , been commissioned by the Los Angeles Philharmonic for his symphonic work "In the Family Way", written over one thousand TV commercials in a myriad of musical styles, co-founded Levels Audio Post (LA's premiere post production facility) and performed and arranged on big-box-office films and influential hit records such as Michael Jackson's Thriller .
His extensive work as a young arranger, orchestrator and performer for Quincy Jones , Jack Nitzsche , Lamont Dozier , Arthur Rubenstein and Giorgio Moroder was vital in launching his own career. His early years pioneering modular analog synthesizers along with his wide-ranging music scholarship positioned Anthony at the center of the music technology revolution. He attended the University of Southern California School of Music as a piano and composition major.
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Fantastic to get a proper breakdown of this one. The vcf distortion is fantastic.
Interesting thing with the reverb - I listened on a mono device and the reverb is completely phase cancelled. Interesting. I'll have to listen again in stereo.
To answer a couple of questions - Margaret Shepherd who is married to David Friend repainted the legend when the waveforms were the wrong way around. She also designed the ARP treble clef logo, which David Frederick then suggested a tweak to. She also designed the cartoons in the early ARP literature.
Blue Marvin - As Ryan said, their CFO Marvin Cohen. Why he was singled out as the nickname of the instrument hasn't ever been explained, but it was affectionate.
Love your channel Alex, I get excited every time I see a new video man. Also, thanks for the info once again, I remember seeing it in the ARP doc, “Electromotive”… which was an amazing video! Cheers from Louisiana!
@@SomeDudeSomewhere Ah-ha, that makes sense. Actually my Korg 2600 is the same now I check, but I usually record mono dry on the left and mono spring on the right so I can adjust the mix later.
That last piece of music was beautiful
right. first time seeing this channel, heard that, subscribed
just think of what a rarity it is these days, to hear a TR-808 being used... civilized.
Great piece of music... some lovely tweaks being made too...
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Oh wow, if you can get down on your knees and pray for a killer outro to a UA-cam video, it was that music going on right there. 🦾
That oscillator distortion!! 🔥
Wow that's a crazy story. In the 90's I scored a 2600 for $200 because I was the first guy to call from the Recycler. He was selling it AS IS, so I didnt even know if it was working. I negotiated it down from asking price of $300 to $200.They were going for like $2K back then. It turned out he guy used to be the touring keyboard player for the Jackson-5 and this synth used to belong to Jackson-5. It had the initials J5 carved on it. The unit was in very bad shape with slider caps missing and broken. When I got it home, I could not plug it in because as you saw in this video the power socket was not a normal one like we have these days. I was able to take a PC power cable and trim the end of it to make it fit. I plugged it in and there was no sound or power. I opened it up and noticed there was a loose power wire, so I soldered it back on. Low and behold the unit turned on, although I never find out if everything was working fine, I was able to make lot's of sounds with it. I enjoyed it for 15+ years and then Rob Rosen was able to broker a deal for me, where he restored it and sold to one of his customers.
This is FANTASTIC. Love seeing this earlier prototype of the 2600. I now know why they gave away or sold cheaply (I forget which) a blue one to someone in the early days (forget his name) as I saw in one of the ARP doco's. The blue ones really were an earlier design/prototype in so many ways. What a lovely piece of history.
A bit of History. A bit of Research. A bit of Speculation. A bit of Music. A LOT of fun. As always, Thanks for sharing. 🎵💯👏
I love it when after the conversation about the keyboard that you do a piece of music from the keyboard. Love the electronic music that you, Dr. Mix, and all the rest of the synthesizer world produce. Keep bringing us more!!!
That's quite a story, with the post office and Reddit and Synthplex bringing together these guys who already have a ton of gear from my youth and my nearly youthful days learning about synthesizers stumbling across this rare ARP. The geek-out about how this one differs from later production 2600s is perfectly natural, and the questions certainly made me want to open the synth up to get more answers. Of course, not wanting to break the machine makes sense. That said, fixing the reverb is a must. The mults can be done externally, but it would be a shame not to have the reverb working as intended.
Thanks for sharing this experience.
Wish I could like this video multiple times! This should be catalogued for future generations. And the amazing music at the end was just perfection! 🙌😱
Awesome find! I’ve been following Ryan on Instagram for a couple of years now. I never knew what he even looked liked until now.
Really nice to see and hear this. The overdrive on the mixer was wild! I recall that 808 State had a Blue Marvin.
Very enjoyable. Your channel continues to delight. Thank you!
Followup on the Control Voltage section on the BM... I opened it back up and the pcb/circuit design is basically not complete. There are traces near the jacks that end up not leading to any source. Very much a work in progress and the later PCB's look drastically different. I'd post a pic here if I could. Hope you enjoyed the talk!
I missed the first 37 minutes. Can't wait to watch this in its entirety.
Just watched the whole thing again. I'm so glad to see more 2600 coverage! Looking forward to more!
Totally fantastic video Anthony. This is some good youtube stuff goin on here!!! Cheers
Very nice, Ryan! Thank you for letting Anthony showcase your Blue Marvin!
Next, bring on Pete Townshend, Vince Clarke, Martin Gore or Daniel Miller for more ARP Tales!
Yes, some tales and music at the end, like on this video!
beautiful. thank you Anthony.
Hope the kid made more than a couple hundred
Always worth tuning in, I feel that when I eventually sit down with a 2600 I might be able to get a patch dialled in. Lush sounds from the end Jam too.
Nice to see the humble SQ-1 in among the greatness 👍
I love how Anthony's JOY just opens up when he really gets his hands on the sounds!!! (28:00) what a pleasure to see!!
And I was thinking blue meanie is only a version of a company building clones... Nice to learn
Thanks for the video, I just spent awhile studying arp oscillators so I enjoyed seeing the inside shots. If the epoxied oscillators end up with issues, they could be recreated. I just recreated the 4017s in my 2600 by x-raying the module and carving out the parts to read their values and reproduce it. The 4011 is smaller and might use an ic like a 2500 saw wave. I think the same process could be used for a 4011. I am also interested in the 4010 vca. Mine was replaced a long time ago. Did you notice any differences to your Tonus vca or do you know if it still has it's 4010? I am looking for a dead 4010 to try to reproduce it as well.
Amazing! I remember the Reddit post and replied suggesting he get in touch with Dina Pearlman but never knew what happened. Great to see it restored and in use! Thanks for another great post Anthony!
Awesome and really cool musical piece at the end too!
Yes, Great video, there's so much more to learn !!!
Thanks for showing us these perspectives.
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Brilliant!! love it, and what a great tune at the end!! super vid thanks!
I'm so used to modern synths that I mistakenly thought that the grey model was the oldest then the black/orange version came later with the Blue Marvin being a sort of special edition 😂
Wow, this is a really great story of a vintage piece!
Loved the video and Ryan's track at the end is beautiful.
Thanks for sharing this! When you get an idea and start patching it’s just magic. Your channel has been priceless to me learning to use my 2600 and figuring out what works and doesn’t. I learn something in every video. Thanks so much!🙏🤘🏼🍻
another masterclass yet ! Thank's a lot for this.
thank you both for that informative, insightful video with an unusual story and lovely outro
Absolutely fascinating! Love the really early synths! 👏👏👏
This is why i got the Blue Marvin from Behringer.
wow, amazingness! track at the end was wonderful. thanks
Very cool to see and hear this early prototype model. Your videos are great, Anthony, I'm really enjoying your channel.
anthony, you are a legend and a synth beast!!! love your new channel!!!
Its beautiful
nice anthony love it the n hamonics on this synth are outstanding, thisis clean but also harsh synth it sounds like it has raw power from that self oscilation!
thank you for your awesome channel Anthony 🙂
What a cool track at the end, definitely my style! Miss that old school sound. Great video about this old synth. Very happy that it finally (luckily) found a proper home and will be appreciated for many years to come.
I own a Grey Meanie and it sounds so much more "analogue" than the Tonus 2600 I also own. Great that you guys keep the Blue Marvin alive ! Fantastic machines !
Such a beautiful tone . . .
Love this story! Thanks for this video!
Sounds great
great video again Anthony. saying hi from England!
Great stuff, amazing story
I love this channel !!!!! 🎹🎹🎹
It's so lucky the series of events, the original owner was very generous and gave it to such a nice and sensible young man who then passed it on to be restored and it's now working and safe rather than in a landfill.
Thanks tonnes guys 😌🤘 This was grand. FAB little tune at the end. That took me back to when 90's ambient techno was the biz. Big fan of that ambient Detroit techno evolution. Wonderful feature here, with lots of Insanely interesting history. 🙏🙏🙏
Fascinating video. Nice one 👍🏾
great!
I would love to watch a video on how this song was made, every single stem, and live tweak, from start to finish, this song is awesome, where can I get it????!!!
lovely envelopes !
Lovely tune man.
Great to see one of those gems working. Awesome story with the young owner gifted by the mysterious David going to Florida
Oh dear, this reminds me of the time my friend begged me to come to check out a synth in a piano and organ store in 1996. He had a Juno 106, and nothing more. They had an Elka Synthex for sale for $400. I had never heard of a Synthex before, I had an Oberheim Xpander. So I am helping my friend, and the Synthex floor model had a broken joystick..the tip was missing.. I said. well, t's broken...and the salesman got mad at me, and took us in the back room where they had a Synthex in a box. A new box that was never opened. and I said... we will take it for $400... and he sold it to him., my friend..it was an awesome deal.
Sweetness!
Man,its rare to find synths like that just random. Lucky guy.
dope!
Another amazing video. I am blown away that the guy got a free Blue Marvin. It's great that the ARP foundation gets to use it.
I love that the keyboard can do microtonal stuff. I had been pondering how to do microtonal stuff on a synth. I have even toyed with the idea of making a one octave 24 TET controller for my Eurorack. In the meantime I picked up an Erica Synths Pico Quant pitch quantizer module. You can upload custom scales to it from a web interface. It allows you to do 24 TET scales. So far I have done C Locrian and E flat minor pentatonic with added quarter tones. So if you want to play around with microtonal synth stuff, the Pico Quant is an option. It pairs well with a Turing Machine. I have the 2hp Turing Machine. Which is pretty fantastic for only taking up 2hp. It can do up to 32 steps in the sequence. Which is handy for bringing higher notes in and out by adjusting the sequence length via CV. I did that with a pulse wave from Pamela's New Workout.
I will second the Arturia KeyStep Pro. I have two of them. I ended up getting a second one to have at my table where I have my modular, semi modular, and desktop synths. The KSP at my desk is connected to my computer and some MIDI through boxes to control keyboards and rack stuff. It's also connected via MIDI to my other KSP. So I can hit record in my DAW and both KSPs fire up. The KSP is fantastic. The CV, Gate, Mod, and Drum Gates make it super handy for Eurorack.
Can’t wait for that new Thriller video with Greg!
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This is like coming across a blue lobster. Amazing.
This is so interesting.
Fantastic video! Superb jam Ryan - only you would be rocking a Voyetra 8 on the floor 🤣
Wow, it sounds way better than the Grey face i had in the 90s.
I have seen many pcb's like these. In the 60's and 70's manufacturing pcb's was in it's infancy. I was surrounded by old equipment my whole life. That my dad repaired. To fully understand it you need to understand how pcb's were made through time.
Once you open up multiple ARP's you will see on each pcb's revision notes on the prints themselves. Because an electrical engineer will leave clues so repair is possible. These things are things they will stand up and go to bed with it while creating and manufacture and modifying based on artist input.
It would be interesting to see something from you Anthony about the ARP 2500 and recreations of the ARP 2500 modules by CMS, and MOS Lab.
+1
I’d love to get my hands on a 2500!
@ymarinellimusic If you're ever in Europe, David Morley has a 2500, a 2600, a very early Minimoog using components of the Moog modular, etc. That could be an interesting conversation. There's also a studio in Holland that have a working 2500 (Willem Twee Studios) and a museum in Switzerland with all playable synths (Synthorama in Luterbach, they have a 2500, not your typical museum with everything behind glass). Another noteworthy place in Switzerland: smemmusic ch (The SMEM does not necessarily have a 2500 but loads of other instruments). There's surely some 2500s in the USA. I think that House music producer Carl Craig has one. But that's the only one that I would know about in the USA. I'll keep my eyes on your channel. Many super interesting videos for us synth nerds. Thank you.
you can do it, I hope you get tons of ascap royaltys. I bought today in Sweden a EML 200, I bought my EML 101 personally in NYC in 1998 when I was touring as dj then, best from Spain my virtual best friend!@@anthonymarinellimusic paid 2900 euros, not bad at all. btw, being offered a 1989 SE Midimini with early serial 1000 real vintage boards, I believe those sound grittier than a Minimoog, at least as my serial 7000, could you confirm? never seen one in person.
My kind of tunes :)
✨ Noice track Ryan 💥
Vibin out to this right now 👊😎
Musical Edutainment 🎵👍
Blue Marvin the Martian uses the space modulator to make things go Ka-BOOM!!!
Look the kid, knew it was special.... I hope you also made the right move by not just giving him a few hundred dollars!!
Great video , this is off topic but will you ever do a video on the powerful Sherman Filterbank
never knew that a thing like this exists wow
Nice! Is this blue marvin one of a kind? Or do the other 34 pieces have the same issues with direct wiring on the circuit boards? Or is it unknown what happened to the other instruments? Real nice video again. Just found an old book in my shelf with how to make your own analog synth..these vids really make me try this ;-)
That epic thumbnail!
Waited for the music and enjoyed every tiny nerdy detail. You three Rob, Ryan and Anthony have an awesome chemistry together. Please nerd and show us more of your knowledge and music skills together. I love the combination of modern Arturia stuff together with the „prototype“ and vintage synths but on the other Hand Anthony just plugin in two cables and completely show us the power of it. Still trying to understand the basics of my VST and clones… Got my challenge for today.
Please use a gearspace (musicforum) to start a thread. That way you have access to other arp users and repair guys who have kept track of pcb modifications and of the inputs and outputs available on these chips. So these machines can be maintained better.
I heard like a solderbreak. That needs to be soldered through again. (around the reverb talk in the video).
I’m a grown man watching two grown men play spot the difference for 10 minutes 😂
Hahaha 😂 I found the original post on Reddit just now. The comments there are hilarious.
Love this stuff, but Anthony, could you do what you did at the show on recreating MJ on the ARP with the plugin. I tried to follow along, but it didn't show on camera.
The reverb....possibly the two channels are phasing each other out. By panning the channels on the external mixer left and right or by dropping either left or right sliders on the synth, you should hear the reverb again.
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It sounds like the guy in the post office was 'moving to florida' to give his stuff away like that. Glad he got to be a carrier of the torch! Should have kept the gold paint job on the keyboard housing 🤣
oh saw this one before, it's for the ARP center. i wouldnt swear but i'm not just basing my thought on the shape, the are oval fultons, but i think i have those very same speakers in an old mono (very classy) tape machine. i have been redisigning the arp 4072 filter, i make boards for the module and boards for controls, but i didnt know the original arp modules where molded in epoxy (is tha on all modules?). Oh and the holes are for calibration! they left them on the FS series, i aws wondering what those holes (obstruct by a piece of rubber on the fs) that's cool. damn i love this channel. Tnks you can change, the 9 type models are great for synths but i dont think they existed then... I'm happy to see those pcb's are so clean inside be cause i do my pcb's myself inthe same fashion (better epoxy or fiber boards though), the tin covering stayed nice after all these years. that jack input needs to be checked; that's what idont like about fixed connections that you can interupt with a patch, if you look at the fem jack, you'll see that the fucntion only relies on bended metal; so what happens to,metal you bend and rebend after 50 years. you should of told Rossum about that when you were there... that input jack needs either to be changed or have that lug rebent... Always a great pleasure to see mr marinelli pull on the cable to unplug the mic lol, speacking about faulty jacks.... Nice session at the end... Great time every time, thank you so much Anthony watching this is like a trip to the moon etch and every time
God I wish someone would give me a 2600 :o or anything this amazing
Those blue speaker looked to have alnico magnets. They likely sound different than the others
Is the track available to download or purchase? Would love to hear the recording in my car, or on a bigger sound system! ❤️
It’s called a meany because it growls !
is that pioneer sp16 that I see. I have one and am really enjoying it how do you like yours?
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Anthony, I'm curious, how do you do a gated reverb patch? I heard you mention it. Are you just patching the reverb out to the VCA and gating the VCA to the output? (VCOMiXer~/VCF/REV/ VCA/Output∆) (Sorry for the bad shorthand, the qwerty is missing most of the symbols I'd use)
Yes that’s it. You can patch the filter directly into the reverb and then patch the output of the reverb into the VCA with the envelope generator controlling the VCA
@@anthonymarinellimusic thank you for the response. Cheers. Also, thanks for sharing this video, I've always been curious what the Blue meanie sounded like, I honestly didn't expect it to sound as different as it does to the average 2600
I've read that these Blue Marvin's are quite a pain in the ****, for they seem to be totally unreliable. Both Behringer and Korg have done a great job at recreating/cloning the 2600, but Behringer's got a Blue Marvin clone out as well. Hope it's stable. If I were to be Uli Behringer, I'd put a knob on there which, when engaged, would present all of the artifacts that're present on the original 2600-BM, because they're part of the sound, right? :P Partly joking, haha. I'm saying this, because Mike Oldfield used to overly time-align/edit his music in the 90's/2000's and back in 2016, he recorded a new instrumental album and he played everything by hand again, leaving in the little mistakes/breath noises whilst playing his acoustic guitar or whatever, like he did in the 70's. So he's using a hybrid of modern and vintage gear (as far as Hammond organs, ARP 2600, Solinas; etc, he used software emulations), but instead of a tape machine it's Pro Tools, Neumann U-87 mic, Neve 1073 pre but mixed 100% ITB, but the point is that for his last (he retired, unfortunately) album, Return To Ommadawn, he set everything up the way he did for his 1975 album Ommadawn. So, no more than 24 tracks, no editing, only punching in at times or doing stuff all over which makes it really sound so alive and humane. I'm glad he made that album, for I think it's one of his best!! Check it out: Return To Ommadawn really loud (not too loud) on headphones. :D You might have to get used to it a bit.
With the help of this video, that thing is going to fetch you a pretty penny!
So if i'm understanding this correctly, that that this is a early prototype of the 2600?
any of the VCO's will cut off the reverb, need to be direct from preamp or out put filter.
i'm no smarty pants, just testing on the plugin.
He must be a special Generation guy not just google after the markings on the device but Start a subreddit...😂 well play3d.