@@john-zi9suI’d say he’s fought everybody and he will for the right amount. Not necessarily a villain to them. Teen Titans is seriously tho he’ll go after them just off rip.
He's like taskmaster, he does have heroes that he targets the most but overall he's a hired Henchmen that if he shows up in someone's story or book, you can immediately go "oh hey it's taskmaster, makes sense he would be here". Same with Slade, you could have him be fighting Batman in one story and then at the exact same time you can have him making an appearance in a flash story at the exact same time because "he's a Merc, of course he's jumping from job to job.
any Dc hero can be a target however; He has a true vendetta with Grayson and the Titans the entire “death of his son” story Joe talked about is a titans story originally
@@LuffyBlack yeah but Nightwing didnt start off as an original member like they are doing now with Cyborg. If Cyborg progressed like Nightwing did into becoming a leaguer, no one would see it in a bad light.
I feel like a big reason why casuals don't consider Deathstroke a TT villain is because he was called Slade in the cartoon which definitely confused people, myself included as a child. To this day, many people separate both like they aren't the same character
I think the reason for that is that "Slade" always felt like he was a more grand threat than everyone else. More than I've ever felt deathstroke to be. It's the difference between a criminal mastermind and a paid assassin for hire. This is how I feel about it at least.
He's only fought Batman a handful of times. Batman has fought Darkseid kore times than Batman has fought Deathstroke, does that make Darkseid a Batman villain?
The simple answer is dc doesn’t care about Nightwing or the titans. Nightwing is a joke now and titans well you’ve seen teen titans go, DCAMU and the titans show. Batman vs Deathstrond is also more hype because Nightwing always gets clapped by death stroke one sidedly
@@Watch-0w1Darkseid is a Superman villain, and slade is a titans/Nightwing villain. Trying to make Slade into a Batman villain, is like trying to make Black Adam a Superman rogue.
And you’d be right. So right in fact, that the reason give for Deathstroke hating Batman in the snyderverse, is the exact same reason he hated the titans in main continuity. It’s literally the same motivation word for word, bar for bar, but with Batman this time.
I dont think people realize just how crucial Deathstroke is to Dick as a character in his maturing from robin to Nightwing espeically in Judas Contract. Making him batmans rival is infinitely less cool
e simple answer is dc doesn’t care about Nightwing or the titans. Nightwing is a joke now and titans well you’ve seen teen titans go, DCAMU and the titans show. Batman vs Deathstrond is also more hype because Nightwing always gets clapped by death stroke one sidedly
@@jknetwork6211 Nightwing got the final boss W in the last big crisis event. DC has made a point recently to say that Nightwing is on par with Batman and the rest of the Justice League.
Exactly. He's a Titans villain, but for some reason, DC keeps trying to make him a Batman villain. If you want a super-assassin, then utilize the forgotten enhanced assassin, Philo Zeiss.
Yeah you right althought i more prever they make new Batman villain with similar skill and ability to replace Deathstroke ,and also give this new villain more power that make him diffrent then deathstrouke and make him ekslusive batman Villain
I like the idea that he fights around. After all, he is a mercenary. He started with the Titans back in the golden age, but he's also fought batman, green arrow, nightwing, red hood, and the justice league in general.
@@Izak-pf2uxYou're wrong about the ages. Deathstroke started fighting the Titans back in the *late Bronze Age (1970s - early 1980s). Deathstroke was never in the Golden Age of Comics (late 1930s - early 1950s). Deathstroke is a Bronze Age character. Please get it right.
Hell of anything, Slade hates Green Arrow more than Batman. And no I’m not saying that because of CW’s Arrow. After Oliver pulled that shit in Identiy Crisis where he put the arrow in Slade’s empty eye socket, he pretty much hates Arrow the way TFS Cell hates Tenshinhan. Even taking a contract on STAR City Mayor “Oliver Queen” (knowing he’s Arrow) for free (but he lost). And then almost killing Arrow and Canary as payback sometime before their wedding. Arrow even trained with one of the people who trained Slade on purpose. But this was all before the New 52, so it might as well have never happened.
Slade: Arrow..... Oliver: Hey Ho hows the eye socket? Slade: Perfect....Oh and Nightwing hows it going man? Dick: Oh uh good. i brought towels and water bottles. Slade: and like that you already contributed more than Batman.
Yup, always made me upset when people tried to say they had Deathstroke in Arrow just because they wanted him to be Batman and he was stealing a Batman villain.
@@ignisinfernal1843I mean with the exception of Slade, CW Arrow did steal Batman villains because let's be real other than Merlyn who does Queen actually have that's a worthy adversary?
Yes, but he has neve needed to have money shown to him to have specific beef with Dick and the Titans. So no, je isn't just a mercenary. His a full Titans and Nightwing villain. He's only a mercenary to pretty much everyone else
@@TequilaToothpick Lex Luthor is more of a batman villain than joker is a superman villain. Lex Luthor is almost always at odds with the entire justice league when they're together, the joker is very much only a batman villain
@@praiseareghan6042 Kingpin is Daredevil’s arch nemesis but he’s also a Spider-Man villain and that’s not really debatable especially with how many times Kingpin has been at odds with Spider-Man in comics, games, and movies
@@praiseareghan6042 I knew he’s more of a Daredevil villain, but I just think out of his appearances and what I’ve seen, he’s more of a villain towards Spidey than Deathstroke is to Bats. But that’s just my perception, it’s actually a pretty solid analogy all things considered
Ima say this one last time. He’s like Kingpin. First and foremost a Daredevil villain. But if you really want you can consider him a Spider-Man villain. Deathstroke is first and foremost a Titans/Dick Grayson villain, but if you really want you can consider him a Batman villain.
@@ZAYA.21 Kingpin also debuted in a Spider-man comic so he was a Spider-man villain first. Deathstroke debuted in Teen Titans and has never been a Batman villain so their analogy makes no sense.
@@BaithNaYeah but he’s had so many run in with Batman at this point. And so what if he first appeared in a Titans comic. Clock King was originally a Green Arrow villain before writers started using him for only Batman. Edit: And I’m not saying he should be a main antagonist for Batman. If he does go against Batman, make him a side villain. Like some hired muscle.
@@whitespider584no he hasn't, he's only interacted with Batman a handful of times. Darkseid has fought Batman more times than Deathstroke has, does that make Darkseid a Batman villain? The Joker has fought Superman more times than Batman has fought Deathstroke, does that make the Joker a Superman villain? Use your brain, kid.
That’s 2 completely different situations. Kingpin was just an average enemy of spider man then with daredevil it became personal and that made them be archenemies. Deathstroke was always and still mainly titans it will always be personal with them. Deathstroke first appeared in titans and he will always be titans. Deathstroke just fought other heroes that doesn’t mean he’s villains of them.
That Arkham Knight Deathstroke “boss battle” was a complete joke. I always assumed that the devs didnt have the bandwidth or budget to orchestrate another hand to hand combat scenario like with Origins. Such a wasted opportunity.
Yeah it was stupid. They could’ve at least had stuff happen beforehand that led up to that, especially since the big tank battles or chases were associated with major plot points and character moments (chasing down the mercs to find Barbara, fighting AK, AK chasing you under the tunnels, fighting the mercs outside GCPD, etc.)
@@Deviant-Strategic-Assassins I don’t really see that. They do a good job with showing how far he’s gotten, and how advanced all the stuff around him is (Batmobile, Batsuit, Waynerangs), but I feel like Deathstroke himself should have some impact. He wasn’t super old or out of it, he was in a similar position to how he was before. Yeah he’d try to fight Batman, but he’d do more than just sit in a tank and egg him on to fight in person. If Batman had at least handled him quickly in a h2h fight, and THEN did the finisher with the Batmobile Boost later on, I’d find it quite sensible. That could show Batman’s abilities, while also respect Slade’s, and giving us some cool moments. I think people just found it exceptionally lame that it came after doing all that work to shut down the militia drones/tanks/bombs/outposts, AND by definition of how much you progress through the story, taking out Arkham Knight himself, who was aided BY Slade himself
@@Deviant-Strategic-Assassins I hope my comment went through. Short thought it, I agree he should be strong, but Slade is strong too. They should’ve showed that difference more in a H2H fight if they wanted to do the tank fight and the Batmobile Boost one shot punch. I think gamers found it annoying after doing all the militia stuff and then THAT was the ending. Riddler was way better
Darksied IS a Superman villain (and a JL villain). He and all of the Fourth World stuff debuted in one of the main Superman titles. If anything, Darksied is like Dr. Doom for Marvel (w/Doom being both a Fantastic Four villain AND greater Marvel villain).
Darkseid is a Fourth World villain! The Fourth World is mostly just connected to Superman because Jack Kirby asked DC to give him their lowest selling title and they gave him Superman’s Pal, Jimmy Olsen. The Fourth World stuff routinely has less presence in Superman lore than the freakin’ Legion of Superheroes. It’s mostly just Intergang and Project Cadmus.
Unpopular opinion but i never liked when superman is able to take on darkseid by himself. I think Darkseid should be able to easily take down superman. You should need the entire league and more tag teaming darkseid to take him down
Like what someone else up above said. Darkseid is partially part of Superman's list in history. Just the last decade or so he's progressed to being far more than Superman can take and he's thus a guy on everyone's list. Like Doctor Doom indeed.
So basically in the Barflack movie Slade had his lead up to Judas Contract motivation while acting like Bane in Knightfall. Weird stories to mash to make a new one tbh.
Not exactly Judas Contract. Slade works with Hive to finish Grant's contract because Hive gave a special Power up to Grant that made him dying and Slade thinks Teen Titans kill him during his mission. I think it's on Judas Contract that he learns that was Hive that kill his son.
@@ghostrouxinol6169 in both the BatFlack movie and the lead up to Judas Contract Slade blames the hero/es for the death of his son, just or not, which led to him wanting revenge and was the reason and motivation for a lot of his actions. I don't see how I'm wrong here. I'm not saying it's a one to one.
Yeah I do find it weird, although there are some differences with the Snyderverse than other universes. I think him GAINING an extra motivation to really go through with it DURING the beginning of the movie, would make a lot more sense. He can start out as a one off villain, but then, for whatever reason, gain the motivation to come after Batman. Opposite to Deadshot losing his motivation to target Batman, when Batman came to grab DS and his daughter was in the way
If Slade is going to be a Batman villain, he should at least operate primarily out of Gotham. That being said, Slade is always ready to throw hands with anyone who gets in his way. Like, it's always 100% on sight when he shows up in any comic, and I enjoy it every time.
@@KillMonger592 No it's a constant need to shoehorn Batman into everything. Or that a character is at their peak relevance only if they are connected to Batman.
DC is kinda stuck with that. The Bat books have been their best sellers for years, so if they want to push a character, they kinda have to use Batman to get as many eyes on it as they can
@@KillMonger592 dumb comment tbh. “Nightwing fans are constantly being FORCED to share their villains” is what you should’ve said. Your original comment just makes no sense.
@@ronnie3613 this. Batman is DC’s top seller so now they just can’t let him sit out on anything. He HAS to be in every single goddamn story no matter how little sense it makes for him to be in it. It’s like that Batman: Soul of the Dragon movie. Shit had nothing to do with Batman. If anything it was a Richard Dragon movie, but NOPE. Batman has to be in it. They don’t trust any DC character to sell a film unless Batman is in it. Saddest part is, they might actually be right (DC fans can’t stop riding Batman’s meat either. It’s made me sick of Batman in general).
Teen Titans is the best way imo. Jericho could've been part of the Titans and died on a mission. He wants vengeance on them. Serves the story better. Rose is part of it as well. I like Deathstroke when he shows up. YJ, Teen Titans, Beware the Batman, and the animated movie where he's the main character. I think its called Knights and Dragons. Really good. He can intertwine with Batman but not his main villain.
Arkham Knight ruined him in the arkham verse for me. All that potential wasted but then again look at the Jason all that talk for them go down with little to no effort.
I absolutely appreciate the straight up glaze you give Nightwing every single chance you get. The love for Nightwing (The BEST Robin) is always very much appreciated.
nightwing is the best nightwing, tim drake is the best robin, theres a reason his standalone name is still (red) ROBIN, no hate to dick, he's a goat but but tim is the best robin hands down
At this point Deathstroke has more beef with Black Canary or Green Arrow than Batman. Fun Fact: Deadshot isnt really a Batman villian. Until New 52, Batman never fought Deadshot in real life since 90s.
That Deadshot "Fun Fact" isn't true in the slightest. Deadshot and Batman still fought in the Batman: Fugitive storyline that ran in the early 2000s, almost a decade before the New 52. Please read more comics instead of making stuff up.
Deadshot started in Batman back in the 60s I think where he posed as a hero while committing crimes on the side until Batman caught him He wore a black Western style outfit and was kinda forgettable. Then he wasn't used for a decade or so, until he returned with his new costume and wrist magnums in the late 70s/early 80s and then hit the big-time in the Suicide Squad and later, the Secret Six.
@@samspurgeon4222 I amn't saying he never wasn't. I am saying after 90s/00s, it feel that he wasn't a Batman Villain as he barely personally fought Batman.
Kingpin debuted in Spider-man, that's why he's used a Spider-man villain. Deathstroke debuted in Teen Titans and has never been a Batman villain. Try again, kid.
@@BaithNatheir point is that deathstroke and kingpin can be used for characters like Batman and spiderman but they’re better as villains for the titans and daredevil..? Why are you so pressed 😭
@@callmepsycho3132because that's dumb, untrue and a false equivalency. Deathstroke has barely interacted with Batman during his 50 years of existence, in no way shape or form is he a Batman villain. Darkseid has fought Batman more times than Deathstroke ever has, is Darkseid a Batman villain now too?
I don’t think there should be a “sure” about it. I think with villains like them, (deathstroke) they can have their own rouges gallery and thrive just as much.
I would argue that post Judas Contract he was even a Beast Boy villain for a while due to his connection Terra and everything he did to her and BB wanting some kind of revenge.
e simple answer is dc doesn’t care about Nightwing or the titans. Nightwing is a joke now and titans well you’ve seen teen titans go, DCAMU and the titans show. Batman vs Deathstrond is also more hype because Nightwing always gets clapped by death stroke one sidedly
Is funny because technically Deathstroke should not struggle at all with Batman. Literally old first stories that had both meeting had him wiping the floor with Bats His rivalry with the Titans is interesting and dramatic since Slade always pursuit them with more personal beef for blaming them for the death of his son Also dude literally debuted first in a Titans comic. He is a Titans villain
As someone who just read the identity crisis comics I can definitely say that he is built different. Seeing him 1 v 6 the justice league with careful planning was so sick to see.
That Terra situation is mind boggling. Why people trying to whitewash Terra? Terra was a sociopath and rotten to the core. She was a monster and underage that's the entire point of her character. Deathstroke used her but he knew how dangerous she is. When Deathstroke confronted with Beastboy , he told how a lost cause she is. That's funny after that confrontation Slade retired but he was incredibly popular and returned. But Terra thing was still exist. Both of em are villians and bad peoples, there is no need for whitewash. Different versions exist like TT animated series and there are good Terra II (don't know much about her) version in comics.
I don't care how "evil" or "monster" Terra was. It doesn't make the grown ass weird ass 50 year old assassin cool for fucking her. Just say you like kids yourself. Stop hiding by trying to defend this dumb PDFile character. Deathstroke fans annoying ass hell. Stop being so damn weird. Terra was Deathstroke's victim. She was a child. Period.
Deathstroke isn't a Batman villain he's a villain who's faught Batman and many other heroes such as Wonder Woman, Superman, green arrow, Green Lantern, Robin etcetera. Deathstroke is the only villain with a heroes gallery he has Many enemies. But his real arch enemy has always been Dick Grayson aka The Nightwing. Slade has always been a villain to the Teen Titans and Nightwing.
Not the only one! Marvel have more villains with sub-enemy's/gallery of hero. Kingpin, Murphys (Blade enemy, he is a vampire), ???Doctor Doom???, HYDRA, M.O.D.O.K, and more and more villains. Marvel has no particular problem pitting an individual hero against an individual villain. It happened that even Electro was an enemy of the Punisher. At DC, apparently only Slade has many enemies among superheroes... Maybe Darkside, or Trigon
Since his physical abilities wouldn’t realistically be enough to take on an entire team of powerful metas, there is only one way to make Slade a proper Teen Titans villain, and it’s simply by asking this question: What is the biggest difference between Slade and the Teen Titans? Age and experience. Let him be a starter villain for the Teen Titans, where he outsmarts them constantly and really emphasizes that the Titans are just kids who are starting out and are scared of his veteran brutality regardless of their powers. Imagine the story-telling potential
I'm... *_really_* glad the Snyderverse interpretation never got the treatment that was rumored. The idea of Batman encountering a bunch of his rogues in Arkham Asylum in one movie has far more potential to be a terrible anthology of short encounters with villains I want whole movies for than anything I'd actually like. However, it sucks that Joe Manganiello never got to actually fight Affleck's Batman at all, too. I consider Deathstroke just a DC villain who's capable of fighting whoever DC wants him to fight. But it isn't just Arkham Origins. Arrow was basically played by the CW as a "we can't use Batman, so we're gonna make Green Arrow Batman instead" show, and gave us, imo, one of the best versions of Deathstroke we've ever gotten. I get the sense that since Slade is perfectly capable of standing toe-to-toe with Bruce, DC themselves wanted to elevate the character. I don't care if he originated as a Titans villain. Punisher started as a one-off Spider-Man villain. Kingpin started off as a Spider-Man villain but became far more associated with Daredevil over the years. Characters can grow as the years go on, and if the writing's good, and people take to it, I have no real problem with it.
7:20 thats my biggest problem with the Arkham Games, and no not just Suicide Squad. Its the fact they glazed Batman in his series so much, that other characters like Nightwing and Deathstroke are treated like fodder. Ironically enough, Suicide Squad is still a bad game, but atleast they scaled Deathstroke to how he should actually be like. He actually looks like a menace, and that suit goes hard.
That’s not glazing if it’s a series ABOUT him, especially revolving around him and Joker’s relationship. I think it’s only bad if they treat them bad when they show them. In Origins he was treated well. In Knight, not so much. In City, Nightwing was basically in the background but playable. In Knight, he had more of a role but the Arkham Episode was short, and Tim had the bigger role in the whole series (City, HQR/Post-City, and Knight) Edit: Also I haven’t played nor care whatsoever about SS. It’s not canon
He literally nuked an entire city, wants ro mueder superheroes that he met as kids, seduced a child and, again, literally nuked a city out of pure malice at a specific guy. Yes, he is a villain and about the only time he had good tendencies was dueing the Rebirth era and maybe a bit after the Lasarus Tournament Damian was on. And both were such a short timeframes that it would be like saying Carnage and Hobgoblin had good intentions because of Axis
@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686 let's not forget him turning down contracts cause he didn't like the scum offering him the job. Testing batman and leaving him down and out but not killing him. Beating a girls father half to death because he pimped his teenage daughter and sent her to seduce him (of which he was totally disgusted). When you've read deathstroke comics from the beginning you start to get a gist of who he is at his core and can spot out bs out of character panels from writers who misunderstand him. The guy has been active as deathstroke almost 2 decades before the titans were even formed and has over 2 decades of combat experience as a spec ops soldier even before that. War heroes don't jus go around hating the world for no reason unless he thinks he's been wronged I'm some way.
@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686 He was a anti-hero in his first solo book. He saved the world from a nuclear holocaust. He also worked with earth's heroes against War World around this time .
@@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686 Incorrect. Deathstroke has been a morally gray good guy long before rebirth. From turning down a contract just cause he didn't like the scum offering him the job to fighting batman out of curiosity leaving him badly beaten and unconscious but didn't want to kill him. He beat a guy near to death for pimping out his teenage daughter and trying to get her to seduce slade. All these are pre rebirth Era. Certain things are really just out of character when it comes to Deathstroke and his personal grudge with nightwing is one of em. Nuking a city out of spite was so out of left field for Deathstroke ad a character I had to laugh at how hard the writes was trying to make his grudge more than what it is
@@ultron_sigmathat’s cause Arrow is Green Arrow in name only. It’s very much them wanting to do a Batman movie without being allowed to use the character.
I'll be honest, the first time I met the character was in the Son of Batman movie, the scene where he puts on his mask for the first time and says he's Deathstroke I was like: "Am I supposed to know who that is?". Then years later after knowing more about him I retroactively realized he was "Slade" in the Teen Titans show, and have disliked that interpretation of him ever since.
@@isaacdebord7812 well in the 2003 version he does actually do fairly well to being accurate to the 1980's comics...and Ron Perlman is a fitting voice...it's just that they couldn't call him Deathstroke. That said in-universe what if that Slade just thought using codenames was for wimps?
@@isaacdebord7812 no, but that's also because the time and run that the 03 show is based on...Rose didn't exist, just Grant & Joey prior to 1994....so you see earlier point Deathstroke not to mention Rose has weird aging too.
Deathstroke is not a Batman villain, but he is not a Teen Titans villain either, he is a general villain of the DC universe, he has fought against the Teen Titans, Batman, Superman, the Justice League, etc.
No, he is a Teen Titans and Nightwing villain. He literally has the biggest beef with the Titans and Nightwing the most than any other hero. That's like saying that Red Skull and Zemo aren't Captain America's arch nemesis just because Hydra is an antagonistic force for every hero in Marvel
Deathstroke is a Batman villain but hes NOT a part of his Rogue’s Gallery. Dr. Doom is part of the FF main adversaries but hes has battled Iron Man, Spider-Man, and Black Panther.
Deathstroke is definitely more of a titans/ nightwing villain, but I kinda see it like dr doom where he has his main adversaries, but also has beef with everyone
Is Slade Wilson, Deathstroke, a member of Batman's rogues gallery? No. But is he one of Batman's greatest adversaries? Yes. Darkseid is not strictly a Superman villain either. He was created by Jack Kirby as part of his "New Gods" storyline for DC after Kirby left Marvel. But today we consider Darkseid to be one of Superman's greatest enemies.
That comparison doesn't fit. Darksied still made his debut in a Superman title, Deathstroke debuted in the new Teen Titans, a crossover team book. Not at all the same trajectory.
Major difference is Darkseid mostly targets the justice league and Superman specifically Deathstroke targets the teen titans because he likes those teens and primarily targets Nightwing or Robin
12:02, later, it's revealed that fhe whole thing was orchestrated by the H.I.V.E to give Slade a motivation to go after the Titans after he had rejected their offer. 12:50, him sleeping with Terra and the whole ordeal was recanonized again in Shadow War event.
its the Reductio ad Batman Villain theory: given enough time, almost every DC villain ends up being a Batman villain, too, especially in the more modern stories.
Well, given Oliver did train under Natas, the two have fought several times in the comics and Slade crashed his and Dinah’s wedding… I’d say he could classify as a Green Arrow villain to a degree.
@@HRGAMES-rw7yd He's definitely more of a Green Arrow villain than he is a batman villain if we're making it a competition. Deathstroke is a villain of many. He's primarily a titans/nightwing villain though
It’s why I always think Slade works better if he has his own hero’s gallery, where he’ll fight characters like Batman, Green Arrow, Superman, Wonder Woman, Justice League, and Birds of Prey, but his archenemies should always be Nightwing and titans. Kinda like how Doctor Doom has his own hero’s gallery where he’ll fight characters like Captain America, Iron Man, Black Panther, Thor, Doctor Strange, Avengers, and Shield, his archenemies should always be Mr. Fantastic and Fantastic Four.
I'm fine with him facing off against Batman, slade is a great character to use for multiple different heroes but he shouldn't be the main villain in a Batman movie, there's no real connection between the two characters unlike with nightwing and deathstroke
Right. While I do hope and want to see Batman vs. Deathstroke in the DCU live-action film, he'd better show up in Teen Titans or whichever movie or show first before he meets Batman. Obviously, he is the main villain of TT and Nightwing, but in my opinion, he is a side villain for Batman. They fought multiple times.
Deathstroke is a complete DC Villain and the reason why we see him fight against Batman is that he was hired or something valid. Bro has beef with batman's son why yall so surprised that Deathstroke is also fighting against him 😭
Thank You! Tired of them dogging DEATHSTROKE to make batboy look good, he's way beyond batman, he's a Titan villain, a villain who can take out Entire Teams, batman ain't in his league and we should blame those Hacks at Rocksteady for this!
The post credit scene reminded me that Full Fat Videos made a pitch for what ended up being Venom: The Last Dance where, because of Doctor Strange’s spell, Topher Grace’s Eddie Brock and Joe Maginello as Agent Venom end up in the movie’s universe leading to a three way fight and our Eddie/Venom teams up with Agent Venom against Topher Grace. That would’ve been awesome. I haven’t seen the movie btw because I’ve been told that it’s the worst of the trilogy.
It's really weird how much they try to minimize the significance of the teen titans because they are just as important and strong as the justice league like come on now. Between Deathstroke being more equated to Batman and Cyborg being more with the Justice League at this point, this shit should be a crime. They need more respect honestly 😭!!! But in general though, Deathstroke is a mercenary so he's bound to run into everybody, and it's funny that he does LOL. Great video man
@@baki484 Firstly, Green Arrow was practically Batman with how much the CW tried to make Arrow into the Batman. Secondly, it's not like most people knew who Green Arrow was before Arrow, it's not so bad when a lesser known hero takes a major hero's villain, because that lesser known hero usually isn't going to get as much attention as that major hero. Arrow lasted for 8 seasons, and yet do you see any Green Arrow projects lined up?
Reminder that Solomon Grundy was a Green Lantern villain and somehow Batman, the guy that had his back broken by a steroid luchador, somehow has people saying that the super zombie that used to have beef with the guy with a magic ring and that can punch Superman is also one of his minoe villains
The simple answer is dc doesn’t care about Nightwing or the titans. Nightwing is a joke now and titans well you’ve seen teen titans go, DCAMU and the titans show. Batman vs Deathstrond is also more hype because Nightwing always gets clapped by death stroke one sidedly
Exactly. He was originally a Green Arrow and Teen Titans villain, and then was basically all over as a villain, appearing prominently with some people, and occasionally with others; Rarely as a JL villain
There's some parallels between Batman and Deathstroke from the get-go, but I feel him being used as a Batman villain in stuff like Arkham Origins and Beware the Batman was an attempt at synergy when they were planning that Ben Affleck Batman movie vs. Deathstroke. Beware was originally going to use Hush instead of Slade.
The fact that a lot of these so called "deathstroke fans" seem to outright DISLIKE him being a Titans villain is laughable. A bunch of fake fans that only saw the arkham origins trailer and thats it. I bet you they have never touched a single deathstroke comic in their lives. Hell I can't think of a SINGLE noteworthy Deathstroke comic where hes a batman villain. Bane has Knightfall, Two Face has Long Halloween, Joker has like a million but Slade? I can't think of one
THANK YOU! Someone else said it! Deathstroke is too op for batman anyway. It makes more sense for Deathstroke to fight an entire team of heroes. With many members having powers. He's the arch nemesis of the teen titans. He is NOT a batman villain! Batman doesn't need to hog all the villains.
The simple answer is dc doesn’t care about Nightwing or the titans. Nightwing is a joke now and titans well you’ve seen teen titans go, DCAMU and the titans show. Batman vs Deathstrond is also more hype because Nightwing always gets clapped by death stroke one sidedly
How is he too op for batman? Batman literally beat deathstroke in issue 86 of current 2016 batman run, batman has been buffed so much in recent years with multiple stuff added to his repertoire like new martial arts moves new tech and armors, in my opinion deathstroke should be a villain for batman who challenges him on a combat level.
To quote Batspecter:" Deathstroke is one of the few villains you can say has a heroes gallery"
aw shucks
@TheBatspecter HOLY SHI-
hmm
Yeah that's perfectly fine. It's just that the misconception that he's a batman villain is a bit annoying.
No he isn't
Deathstroke is really every Dc heroes villain…for the right price of course.
@@john-zi9suI’d say he’s fought everybody and he will for the right amount. Not necessarily a villain to them. Teen Titans is seriously tho he’ll go after them just off rip.
He's like taskmaster, he does have heroes that he targets the most but overall he's a hired Henchmen that if he shows up in someone's story or book, you can immediately go "oh hey it's taskmaster, makes sense he would be here". Same with Slade, you could have him be fighting Batman in one story and then at the exact same time you can have him making an appearance in a flash story at the exact same time because "he's a Merc, of course he's jumping from job to job.
So deathstroke is like cad bane
any Dc hero can be a target however; He has a true vendetta with Grayson and the Titans the entire “death of his son” story Joe talked about is a titans story originally
Yup. He’ll run the fade against anybody in the Dc universe.
Favorite Batman villain ❌
Favorite DC villain ✅
Best edit that with 'No Diddy'
Best Batman villain usually translate to best dc villain anyway
It could be worse, people think Darkseid is a Superman Villain
reminds me of what they've been doing with Cyborg--for me he's always best as a Teen Titans member, not a Justice League member
Yea him as a justice league member doesn’t do it for me, it will alwyas be Martian man hunter, cyborg is much better as a titans villain
Disagree. If Nightwing could advance and evolve beyond the Titans so should Cyborg
@@LuffyBlack Exactly... besides DC constantly re-writing their entire continuity anyway, character development is, or at least should be, a thing
@@LuffyBlack yeah but Nightwing didnt start off as an original member like they are doing now with Cyborg. If Cyborg progressed like Nightwing did into becoming a leaguer, no one would see it in a bad light.
Cyborg in TT: backbone
Cyborg in JL: Victor, open a boomtube now
I feel like a big reason why casuals don't consider Deathstroke a TT villain is because he was called Slade in the cartoon which definitely confused people, myself included as a child. To this day, many people separate both like they aren't the same character
Perhaps, but I doubt so. I've always known Deathstroke was Slade Wilson since young
I think the reason for that is that "Slade" always felt like he was a more grand threat than everyone else. More than I've ever felt deathstroke to be. It's the difference between a criminal mastermind and a paid assassin for hire. This is how I feel about it at least.
I think because of his adversary to nightwing that it links back to Batman to the reason why he ends up fighting Batman a lot with the writers.
He's only fought Batman a handful of times. Batman has fought Darkseid kore times than Batman has fought Deathstroke, does that make Darkseid a Batman villain?
@@BaithNait make him JL villain which batman in it
He share some trait with batman. So sometimes he like a evil batman for nightwing fight.
He a rich tactical ninja merc
The simple answer is dc doesn’t care about Nightwing or the titans. Nightwing is a joke now and titans well you’ve seen teen titans go, DCAMU and the titans show. Batman vs Deathstrond is also more hype because Nightwing always gets clapped by death stroke one sidedly
@@Watch-0w1Darkseid is a Superman villain, and slade is a titans/Nightwing villain.
Trying to make Slade into a Batman villain, is like trying to make Black Adam a Superman rogue.
i always thought of him as Primary Teen Titans villain
Nightwing especially
exactly he's a Titans villain . him being a Batman villain is just occasional but they trying to make him a main one
That’s what he is.
And you’d be right. So right in fact, that the reason give for Deathstroke hating Batman in the snyderverse, is the exact same reason he hated the titans in main continuity.
It’s literally the same motivation word for word, bar for bar, but with Batman this time.
Ditto.
Deathstroke is more of a Dick Grayson villain.
Than Batman yes. Than Titans no.
Dick's Stroke of Death
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@@ghostrouxinol6169about the same as the titans
Yeah the dad evil twin clone
I dont think people realize just how crucial Deathstroke is to Dick as a character in his maturing from robin to Nightwing espeically in Judas Contract. Making him batmans rival is infinitely less cool
Exactly Nightwing and DS literally had their first appearance in the same comic
Right exactly. Slade should be a side villain to Batman, THE villain to Dick
Deathstroke is Nightwing archnemesis.
e simple answer is dc doesn’t care about Nightwing or the titans. Nightwing is a joke now and titans well you’ve seen teen titans go, DCAMU and the titans show. Batman vs Deathstrond is also more hype because Nightwing always gets clapped by death stroke one sidedly
Isn't Block Buster his main adversary?
@@baki484 Block Buster is number 2.
@@jknetwork6211Nightwing has one of the best on going series in comics
@@jknetwork6211 Nightwing got the final boss W in the last big crisis event. DC has made a point recently to say that Nightwing is on par with Batman and the rest of the Justice League.
Exactly. He's a Titans villain, but for some reason, DC keeps trying to make him a Batman villain. If you want a super-assassin, then utilize the forgotten enhanced assassin, Philo Zeiss.
Yeah you right althought i more prever they make new Batman villain with similar skill and ability to replace Deathstroke ,and also give this new villain more power that make him diffrent then deathstrouke and make him ekslusive batman Villain
I like the idea that he fights around. After all, he is a mercenary. He started with the Titans back in the golden age, but he's also fought batman, green arrow, nightwing, red hood, and the justice league in general.
@@alihmaulaakmal That would be Philo Zeiss.
But nobody cares about that guy
@@Izak-pf2uxYou're wrong about the ages. Deathstroke started fighting the Titans back in the *late Bronze Age (1970s - early 1980s). Deathstroke was never in the Golden Age of Comics (late 1930s - early 1950s). Deathstroke is a Bronze Age character. Please get it right.
Hell of anything, Slade hates Green Arrow more than Batman. And no I’m not saying that because of CW’s Arrow. After Oliver pulled that shit in Identiy Crisis where he put the arrow in Slade’s empty eye socket, he pretty much hates Arrow the way TFS Cell hates Tenshinhan. Even taking a contract on STAR City Mayor “Oliver Queen” (knowing he’s Arrow) for free (but he lost). And then almost killing Arrow and Canary as payback sometime before their wedding. Arrow even trained with one of the people who trained Slade on purpose. But this was all before the New 52, so it might as well have never happened.
Slade: Arrow.....
Oliver: Hey Ho hows the eye socket?
Slade: Perfect....Oh and Nightwing hows it going man?
Dick: Oh uh good. i brought towels and water bottles.
Slade: and like that you already contributed more than Batman.
Yup, always made me upset when people tried to say they had Deathstroke in Arrow just because they wanted him to be Batman and he was stealing a Batman villain.
Upvoting for TFS reference
@@ignisinfernal1843I mean with the exception of Slade, CW Arrow did steal Batman villains because let's be real other than Merlyn who does Queen actually have that's a worthy adversary?
@@Drums_of_LiberationBrick
He's a mercenary. If the price is right, he's willing to fight the likes of Wonder Woman & Superman.
Yes, but he has neve needed to have money shown to him to have specific beef with Dick and the Titans.
So no, je isn't just a mercenary. His a full Titans and Nightwing villain. He's only a mercenary to pretty much everyone else
I agree slade Wilson isn’t a Batman villain if anything he’s a great villain for the teen titans in my opinion.
Saying Deathstroke is a Batman villain is like saying Joker is a Superman villain because they've fought a couple of times.
Joker is a Superman villain just like Lex Luthor is a Batman villain.
@@TequilaToothpick Or how The Kingpin is a Daredevil villain, after originating as a Spider-Man villain.
@@TequilaToothpick Lex Luthor is more of a batman villain than joker is a superman villain. Lex Luthor is almost always at odds with the entire justice league when they're together, the joker is very much only a batman villain
Lol "fought". You mean roasted so bad that he surrendered to the police with a sad frown.
@@EdnaKonrad4MVS Exactly.
I always thought of Deathstroke as a Teen Titans and Batman villain just like how Kingpin is a Daredevil and Spider-Man villain
@@Sabreeeee correct. I don't know why Deathstroke fans get all weird about him being a villain to both heroes.
Maybe, but I’d say Kingpin seems more of a Spidey villain than Slade does Batman. But I do think that’s a really good comparison
Uh no kingpin is to daredevil as joker is to batman just cuz hes in new york like spiderman is doesnt mean shit@Jonathan-A.C.
@@praiseareghan6042 Kingpin is Daredevil’s arch nemesis but he’s also a Spider-Man villain and that’s not really debatable especially with how many times Kingpin has been at odds with Spider-Man in comics, games, and movies
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I knew he’s more of a Daredevil villain, but I just think out of his appearances and what I’ve seen, he’s more of a villain towards Spidey than Deathstroke is to Bats. But that’s just my perception, it’s actually a pretty solid analogy all things considered
Ima say this one last time. He’s like Kingpin. First and foremost a Daredevil villain. But if you really want you can consider him a Spider-Man villain. Deathstroke is first and foremost a Titans/Dick Grayson villain, but if you really want you can consider him a Batman villain.
The difference is that Slade doesn’t have a deep connection with Batman. Unlike kingpin with daredevil.
@@ZAYA.21 Kingpin also debuted in a Spider-man comic so he was a Spider-man villain first. Deathstroke debuted in Teen Titans and has never been a Batman villain so their analogy makes no sense.
@@BaithNaYeah but he’s had so many run in with Batman at this point. And so what if he first appeared in a Titans comic. Clock King was originally a Green Arrow villain before writers started using him for only Batman.
Edit: And I’m not saying he should be a main antagonist for Batman. If he does go against Batman, make him a side villain. Like some hired muscle.
@@whitespider584no he hasn't, he's only interacted with Batman a handful of times. Darkseid has fought Batman more times than Deathstroke has, does that make Darkseid a Batman villain? The Joker has fought Superman more times than Batman has fought Deathstroke, does that make the Joker a Superman villain?
Use your brain, kid.
That’s 2 completely different situations. Kingpin was just an average enemy of spider man then with daredevil it became personal and that made them be archenemies.
Deathstroke was always and still mainly titans it will always be personal with them. Deathstroke first appeared in titans and he will always be titans. Deathstroke just fought other heroes that doesn’t mean he’s villains of them.
“How dare you say something so controversial yet so brave”
it rlly isnt to ppl that actually know what theyre talkign about
@ Very true
That boy is Nightwings nemesis and I stand on that
Sooooo
A Batman villain
Dick Grayson is apart of the Batman verse
@@breathofthestars7043nightwing is more a titans thing then Batman thing
@@breathofthestars7043 no, titans. u dk what ur talking ab
I love you made this video. I have always said this. He’s a Teen Titans/Titans villain. He’s their arch nemesis through and through.
That Arkham Knight Deathstroke “boss battle” was a complete joke. I always assumed that the devs didnt have the bandwidth or budget to orchestrate another hand to hand combat scenario like with Origins. Such a wasted opportunity.
tbh i think it was lore accurate to how far the character has come, he should be one shotting Deathstroke, he's done it in the Comics multiple times.
Yeah it was stupid. They could’ve at least had stuff happen beforehand that led up to that, especially since the big tank battles or chases were associated with major plot points and character moments (chasing down the mercs to find Barbara, fighting AK, AK chasing you under the tunnels, fighting the mercs outside GCPD, etc.)
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I don’t really see that. They do a good job with showing how far he’s gotten, and how advanced all the stuff around him is (Batmobile, Batsuit, Waynerangs), but I feel like Deathstroke himself should have some impact. He wasn’t super old or out of it, he was in a similar position to how he was before. Yeah he’d try to fight Batman, but he’d do more than just sit in a tank and egg him on to fight in person. If Batman had at least handled him quickly in a h2h fight, and THEN did the finisher with the Batmobile Boost later on, I’d find it quite sensible. That could show Batman’s abilities, while also respect Slade’s, and giving us some cool moments.
I think people just found it exceptionally lame that it came after doing all that work to shut down the militia drones/tanks/bombs/outposts, AND by definition of how much you progress through the story, taking out Arkham Knight himself, who was aided BY Slade himself
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I hope my comment went through.
Short thought it, I agree he should be strong, but Slade is strong too. They should’ve showed that difference more in a H2H fight if they wanted to do the tank fight and the Batmobile Boost one shot punch. I think gamers found it annoying after doing all the militia stuff and then THAT was the ending. Riddler was way better
Deathstroke is not a Batman villain he is a Teen titans villain who occassionally Tangos with Batman
Like when people say Darkseid is a superman villain. No, he's a Justice league villain that likes to make himself everyone's problem
Darksied IS a Superman villain (and a JL villain). He and all of the Fourth World stuff debuted in one of the main Superman titles.
If anything, Darksied is like Dr. Doom for Marvel (w/Doom being both a Fantastic Four villain AND greater Marvel villain).
Darkseid is a Fourth World villain! The Fourth World is mostly just connected to Superman because Jack Kirby asked DC to give him their lowest selling title and they gave him Superman’s Pal, Jimmy Olsen. The Fourth World stuff routinely has less presence in Superman lore than the freakin’ Legion of Superheroes. It’s mostly just Intergang and Project Cadmus.
Unpopular opinion but i never liked when superman is able to take on darkseid by himself. I think Darkseid should be able to easily take down superman. You should need the entire league and more tag teaming darkseid to take him down
Like what someone else up above said. Darkseid is partially part of Superman's list in history. Just the last decade or so he's progressed to being far more than Superman can take and he's thus a guy on everyone's list. Like Doctor Doom indeed.
@@ezekielrayfield1512All you need ie flash
So basically in the Barflack movie Slade had his lead up to Judas Contract motivation while acting like Bane in Knightfall. Weird stories to mash to make a new one tbh.
Not exactly Judas Contract. Slade works with Hive to finish Grant's contract because Hive gave a special Power up to Grant that made him dying and Slade thinks Teen Titans kill him during his mission. I think it's on Judas Contract that he learns that was Hive that kill his son.
@@ghostrouxinol6169 in both the BatFlack movie and the lead up to Judas Contract Slade blames the hero/es for the death of his son, just or not, which led to him wanting revenge and was the reason and motivation for a lot of his actions. I don't see how I'm wrong here. I'm not saying it's a one to one.
Yeah I do find it weird, although there are some differences with the Snyderverse than other universes. I think him GAINING an extra motivation to really go through with it DURING the beginning of the movie, would make a lot more sense. He can start out as a one off villain, but then, for whatever reason, gain the motivation to come after Batman.
Opposite to Deadshot losing his motivation to target Batman, when Batman came to grab DS and his daughter was in the way
If Slade is going to be a Batman villain, he should at least operate primarily out of Gotham. That being said, Slade is always ready to throw hands with anyone who gets in his way. Like, it's always 100% on sight when he shows up in any comic, and I enjoy it every time.
This solo Batman movie with Death Stroke as the main Villian sounds absolutely sick. I hope we get a movie like this in the DCU or Matt Reeves verse
Thank you, I am so tired of the forced rivalry between Bats and Slade. Like damn let Dick have some interesting rogues for himself.
Lol that's the real problem isn't it. Nightwing fans don't wanna share their villains lmao
@@KillMonger592 No it's a constant need to shoehorn Batman into everything. Or that a character is at their peak relevance only if they are connected to Batman.
DC is kinda stuck with that. The Bat books have been their best sellers for years, so if they want to push a character, they kinda have to use Batman to get as many eyes on it as they can
@@KillMonger592 dumb comment tbh. “Nightwing fans are constantly being FORCED to share their villains” is what you should’ve said.
Your original comment just makes no sense.
@@ronnie3613 this. Batman is DC’s top seller so now they just can’t let him sit out on anything. He HAS to be in every single goddamn story no matter how little sense it makes for him to be in it. It’s like that Batman: Soul of the Dragon movie. Shit had nothing to do with Batman. If anything it was a Richard Dragon movie, but NOPE. Batman has to be in it. They don’t trust any DC character to sell a film unless Batman is in it. Saddest part is, they might actually be right (DC fans can’t stop riding Batman’s meat either. It’s made me sick of Batman in general).
Teen Titans is the best way imo. Jericho could've been part of the Titans and died on a mission. He wants vengeance on them. Serves the story better. Rose is part of it as well. I like Deathstroke when he shows up. YJ, Teen Titans, Beware the Batman, and the animated movie where he's the main character. I think its called Knights and Dragons. Really good. He can intertwine with Batman but not his main villain.
Him appearing in the Arkham games was a blessing and a curse.
More of a curse bc they really didn’t do jack shit with him and just made him a fodder against Batman, he just there.
Curse I'd say, one cool fight scene, then waste in Arhkam and he's kinda cool in the Suicide Squad game.
No, just a curse.
Arkham Knight ruined him in the arkham verse for me.
All that potential wasted but then again look at the Jason all that talk for them go down with little to no effort.
I absolutely appreciate the straight up glaze you give Nightwing every single chance you get.
The love for Nightwing (The BEST Robin) is always very much appreciated.
nightwing is the best nightwing, tim drake is the best robin, theres a reason his standalone name is still (red) ROBIN, no hate to dick, he's a goat but but tim is the best robin hands down
At this point Deathstroke has more beef with Black Canary or Green Arrow than Batman.
Fun Fact: Deadshot isnt really a Batman villian. Until New 52, Batman never fought Deadshot in real life since 90s.
That Deadshot "Fun Fact" isn't true in the slightest. Deadshot and Batman still fought in the Batman: Fugitive storyline that ran in the early 2000s, almost a decade before the New 52.
Please read more comics instead of making stuff up.
@tebS23 90s/00s i often put that together.
Deadshot started in Batman back in the 60s I think where he posed as a hero while committing crimes on the side until Batman caught him He wore a black Western style outfit and was kinda forgettable. Then he wasn't used for a decade or so, until he returned with his new costume and wrist magnums in the late 70s/early 80s and then hit the big-time in the Suicide Squad and later, the Secret Six.
@@samspurgeon4222 I amn't saying he never wasn't. I am saying after 90s/00s, it feel that he wasn't a Batman Villain as he barely personally fought Batman.
He's like Kingpin sure he can be a spiderman villain but he thrives as a daredevil villain or most street level heroes
The difference is that I don’t think Slade has any deep connection to Batman
Kingpin debuted in Spider-man, that's why he's used a Spider-man villain.
Deathstroke debuted in Teen Titans and has never been a Batman villain.
Try again, kid.
@@BaithNatheir point is that deathstroke and kingpin can be used for characters like Batman and spiderman but they’re better as villains for the titans and daredevil..? Why are you so pressed 😭
@@callmepsycho3132because that's dumb, untrue and a false equivalency. Deathstroke has barely interacted with Batman during his 50 years of existence, in no way shape or form is he a Batman villain. Darkseid has fought Batman more times than Deathstroke ever has, is Darkseid a Batman villain now too?
I don’t think there should be a “sure” about it. I think with villains like them, (deathstroke) they can have their own rouges gallery and thrive just as much.
Deathstroke has always and will always be a villain for Nightwing and the Titans, NOT Batman.
I would argue that post Judas Contract he was even a Beast Boy villain for a while due to his connection Terra and everything he did to her and BB wanting some kind of revenge.
I like the idea that he fights around, personally. He is a mercenary after all.
@@Izak-pf2uxthat's his job but when he fights his enemies, he's targeting Dick Grayson and the Titans.
e simple answer is dc doesn’t care about Nightwing or the titans. Nightwing is a joke now and titans well you’ve seen teen titans go, DCAMU and the titans show. Batman vs Deathstrond is also more hype because Nightwing always gets clapped by death stroke one sidedly
@@jknetwork6211they do make nightwing damsel in distress.
It all damn glazing that batman getting.
Exactly. He's a teen titans/ nightwing villain
I mean, he is a villain for most dc characters. But if I had to give him one character he is a villain to, it's nightwing
Of course he’s a titan s villain nut I also think he’s one of the villains that has his own rouges gallery. Green Arrow, half the titans, and Batman.
Is funny because technically Deathstroke should not struggle at all with Batman. Literally old first stories that had both meeting had him wiping the floor with Bats
His rivalry with the Titans is interesting and dramatic since Slade always pursuit them with more personal beef for blaming them for the death of his son
Also dude literally debuted first in a Titans comic. He is a Titans villain
I'd say he's more like mogul/Darkseid as he fight s more than one group but yeah he works as a titans villan and a batman villan
@@spincycle6724 he doesn't work as a batman villain please
@@spincycle6724 no, he’s not a Batman villain. He’s just not.
Their first encounters Deathstroke either ran like the coward he is or got K.O.ed it was Nightwing he could beat
@isaacdebord7812 he literally beat batman
As someone who just read the identity crisis comics I can definitely say that he is built different. Seeing him 1 v 6 the justice league with careful planning was so sick to see.
Deathstroke is and will always be the Teen Titans’ villain & mostly even Dick Grayson Arch nemesis
Deathstroke isn’t a Batman. He’s is a Man Villain.
Actually, Stroke is Dick's
Man Aslume
He's certainly more dangerous around teens
Deathstroke isn't a primary batman villian however he makes a amazing adversary and equal to batman.
But thats Banes job not Slades. The problem is that i feel like DC is trying to replace Bane with Slade
@@CursedShinobiClownDc doesn’t like Bane, they keep trying to fuck the character up so much
I’ve always considered him to be an Teen Titans/Nightwing villain.
That Terra situation is mind boggling. Why people trying to whitewash Terra? Terra was a sociopath and rotten to the core. She was a monster and underage that's the entire point of her character. Deathstroke used her but he knew how dangerous she is. When Deathstroke confronted with Beastboy , he told how a lost cause she is. That's funny after that confrontation Slade retired but he was incredibly popular and returned. But Terra thing was still exist. Both of em are villians and bad peoples, there is no need for whitewash. Different versions exist like TT animated series and there are good Terra II (don't know much about her) version in comics.
I don't care how "evil" or "monster" Terra was. It doesn't make the grown ass weird ass 50 year old assassin cool for fucking her. Just say you like kids yourself. Stop hiding by trying to defend this dumb PDFile character. Deathstroke fans annoying ass hell. Stop being so damn weird. Terra was Deathstroke's victim. She was a child. Period.
Batman has already the best rogues gallery of comics, he doesn't need another one with Deathstroke
Deathstroke isn't a Batman villain he's a villain who's faught Batman and many other heroes such as Wonder Woman, Superman, green arrow, Green Lantern, Robin etcetera. Deathstroke is the only villain with a heroes gallery he has Many enemies. But his real arch enemy has always been Dick Grayson aka The Nightwing. Slade has always been a villain to the Teen Titans and Nightwing.
Not the only one! Marvel have more villains with sub-enemy's/gallery of hero. Kingpin, Murphys (Blade enemy, he is a vampire), ???Doctor Doom???, HYDRA, M.O.D.O.K, and more and more villains. Marvel has no particular problem pitting an individual hero against an individual villain. It happened that even Electro was an enemy of the Punisher.
At DC, apparently only Slade has many enemies among superheroes... Maybe Darkside, or Trigon
Since his physical abilities wouldn’t realistically be enough to take on an entire team of powerful metas, there is only one way to make Slade a proper Teen Titans villain, and it’s simply by asking this question: What is the biggest difference between Slade and the Teen Titans? Age and experience. Let him be a starter villain for the Teen Titans, where he outsmarts them constantly and really emphasizes that the Titans are just kids who are starting out and are scared of his veteran brutality regardless of their powers. Imagine the story-telling potential
This channel has so many great takes.
Deathstroke is a Titans villain. And more than blockbuster , definitely Nightwing’s nemesis.
I'm... *_really_* glad the Snyderverse interpretation never got the treatment that was rumored. The idea of Batman encountering a bunch of his rogues in Arkham Asylum in one movie has far more potential to be a terrible anthology of short encounters with villains I want whole movies for than anything I'd actually like. However, it sucks that Joe Manganiello never got to actually fight Affleck's Batman at all, too.
I consider Deathstroke just a DC villain who's capable of fighting whoever DC wants him to fight. But it isn't just Arkham Origins. Arrow was basically played by the CW as a "we can't use Batman, so we're gonna make Green Arrow Batman instead" show, and gave us, imo, one of the best versions of Deathstroke we've ever gotten. I get the sense that since Slade is perfectly capable of standing toe-to-toe with Bruce, DC themselves wanted to elevate the character. I don't care if he originated as a Titans villain. Punisher started as a one-off Spider-Man villain. Kingpin started off as a Spider-Man villain but became far more associated with Daredevil over the years. Characters can grow as the years go on, and if the writing's good, and people take to it, I have no real problem with it.
what an intro
Deathstroke is not a Batman Villain nor is he a Green Arrow or Justice League Villain, he’s a Teen Titans Villain and that’s It
Calling Deathstroke a "Batman Villian" is about as stupid as calling Black Adam a Superman Villian.
Atom or Adam?
@@MichaelHesterII1356 Adam as in Teth-Adam as in Black Adam as in The Captain's wacko predecessor.
Thank God. I say that for years and nobody believes me.
The time I growing up, he was presented to me as a teen titans villain. Then as sort of a DC Villain then got spear headed as a batman villain.
7:20 thats my biggest problem with the Arkham Games, and no not just Suicide Squad. Its the fact they glazed Batman in his series so much, that other characters like Nightwing and Deathstroke are treated like fodder.
Ironically enough, Suicide Squad is still a bad game, but atleast they scaled Deathstroke to how he should actually be like. He actually looks like a menace, and that suit goes hard.
That’s not glazing if it’s a series ABOUT him, especially revolving around him and Joker’s relationship. I think it’s only bad if they treat them bad when they show them. In Origins he was treated well. In Knight, not so much. In City, Nightwing was basically in the background but playable. In Knight, he had more of a role but the Arkham Episode was short, and Tim had the bigger role in the whole series (City, HQR/Post-City, and Knight)
Edit: Also I haven’t played nor care whatsoever about SS. It’s not canon
“Imagine if David Finchers the game was real” that would be such a sick premise for a Batman movie
I still call him the terminator. Sounds cooler than deathstroke. And he is, and has always been a teen titans villian
Heroes have a rogues gallery.
Slade has a heroes gallery.
The word "villain" gets thrown around alot. The guys a bad guy with good tendencies and is a MENACE to anyone who he deems enemy.
He literally nuked an entire city, wants ro mueder superheroes that he met as kids, seduced a child and, again, literally nuked a city out of pure malice at a specific guy.
Yes, he is a villain and about the only time he had good tendencies was dueing the Rebirth era and maybe a bit after the Lasarus Tournament Damian was on. And both were such a short timeframes that it would be like saying Carnage and Hobgoblin had good intentions because of Axis
@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686 let's not forget him turning down contracts cause he didn't like the scum offering him the job. Testing batman and leaving him down and out but not killing him. Beating a girls father half to death because he pimped his teenage daughter and sent her to seduce him (of which he was totally disgusted).
When you've read deathstroke comics from the beginning you start to get a gist of who he is at his core and can spot out bs out of character panels from writers who misunderstand him.
The guy has been active as deathstroke almost 2 decades before the titans were even formed and has over 2 decades of combat experience as a spec ops soldier even before that. War heroes don't jus go around hating the world for no reason unless he thinks he's been wronged I'm some way.
@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686 He was a anti-hero in his first solo book. He saved the world from a nuclear holocaust. He also worked with earth's heroes against War World around this time .
@@luisalejandrolopezbuendia9686 Incorrect. Deathstroke has been a morally gray good guy long before rebirth. From turning down a contract just cause he didn't like the scum offering him the job to fighting batman out of curiosity leaving him badly beaten and unconscious but didn't want to kill him.
He beat a guy near to death for pimping out his teenage daughter and trying to get her to seduce slade. All these are pre rebirth Era.
Certain things are really just out of character when it comes to Deathstroke and his personal grudge with nightwing is one of em. Nuking a city out of spite was so out of left field for Deathstroke ad a character I had to laugh at how hard the writes was trying to make his grudge more than what it is
6:20 I always assumed he was a Green Arrow villain because of Arrow
Arrow borrowed alot of batman villains into the series.
@@ultron_sigmathat’s cause Arrow is Green Arrow in name only. It’s very much them wanting to do a Batman movie without being allowed to use the character.
I find it amusing how Deathstroke has the super soldier serum but loses to Batman & other human heroes even though they’re human.
Yea it's like the writers seem to always forget the part about the guy having the strength of 10 men and brain juice dialed up ×90
@@KillMonger592And a healing factor.
Dude Lady Shiva could also stand against Batman physically I mean in combat you know which would also be something cool to see
Deathstroke is a threat mainly to young girls, not to Batman.
I'll be honest, the first time I met the character was in the Son of Batman movie, the scene where he puts on his mask for the first time and says he's Deathstroke I was like: "Am I supposed to know who that is?". Then years later after knowing more about him I retroactively realized he was "Slade" in the Teen Titans show, and have disliked that interpretation of him ever since.
It's more accurate to comics because teen titans couldn't make him act like himself
@@isaacdebord7812 well in the 2003 version he does actually do fairly well to being accurate to the 1980's comics...and Ron Perlman is a fitting voice...it's just that they couldn't call him Deathstroke. That said in-universe what if that Slade just thought using codenames was for wimps?
@@Superlad9494 I mean they couldn't make Deathstroke do things like beating up rose "for training".
@@isaacdebord7812 no, but that's also because the time and run that the 03 show is based on...Rose didn't exist, just Grant & Joey prior to 1994....so you see earlier point Deathstroke not to mention Rose has weird aging too.
@Superlad9494 I used that example because UA-cam doesn't like when you name his actions with Terra although he also abused her
Deathstroke is not a Batman villain, but he is not a Teen Titans villain either, he is a general villain of the DC universe, he has fought against the Teen Titans, Batman, Superman, the Justice League, etc.
No, he is a Teen Titans and Nightwing villain. He literally has the biggest beef with the Titans and Nightwing the most than any other hero. That's like saying that Red Skull and Zemo aren't Captain America's arch nemesis just because Hydra is an antagonistic force for every hero in Marvel
"I guess ive just been... fighting around. I don't really HAVE a nemesis"
He’s not a Batman villain but everybody’s villain
Exactly what I've been saying he's been everywhere.
Deathstroke is a Batman villain but hes NOT a part of his Rogue’s Gallery.
Dr. Doom is part of the FF main adversaries but hes has battled Iron Man, Spider-Man, and Black Panther.
Slade Wilson has always been a Teen Titans villain. *ALWAYS!!!*
Deathstroke is definitely more of a titans/ nightwing villain, but I kinda see it like dr doom where he has his main adversaries, but also has beef with everyone
Is Slade Wilson, Deathstroke, a member of Batman's rogues gallery? No. But is he one of Batman's greatest adversaries? Yes.
Darkseid is not strictly a Superman villain either. He was created by Jack Kirby as part of his "New Gods" storyline for DC after Kirby left Marvel. But today we consider Darkseid to be one of Superman's greatest enemies.
That comparison doesn't fit. Darksied still made his debut in a Superman title, Deathstroke debuted in the new Teen Titans, a crossover team book.
Not at all the same trajectory.
Didn't Darkseid make his first appearance in Kirby's New Gods series in the 70s?
@@samspurgeon4222 Correct.
@@44excalibur I apologize, I didn't see the bottom paragraph you wrote. Well said and high five! Lol
Major difference is Darkseid mostly targets the justice league and Superman specifically Deathstroke targets the teen titans because he likes those teens and primarily targets Nightwing or Robin
He’s every teenager’s worst nightmare
12:02, later, it's revealed that fhe whole thing was orchestrated by the H.I.V.E to give Slade a motivation to go after the Titans after he had rejected their offer.
12:50, him sleeping with Terra and the whole ordeal was recanonized again in Shadow War event.
its the Reductio ad Batman Villain theory: given enough time, almost every DC villain ends up being a Batman villain, too, especially in the more modern stories.
Can u please do video called “ problem with dc street tier heroes” there’s a bunch of street level heroes outside of Gotham
From the beginning, he’s always been a Titan/Nightwing villain
He's also a Batman villain.
CW fans: "EXACTLY he's clearly an Arrow villain as he's clearly made for only Oliver and no one else.....i totally know comics"
Well, given Oliver did train under Natas, the two have fought several times in the comics and Slade crashed his and Dinah’s wedding… I’d say he could classify as a Green Arrow villain to a degree.
@@HRGAMES-rw7yd He's definitely more of a Green Arrow villain than he is a batman villain if we're making it a competition. Deathstroke is a villain of many. He's primarily a titans/nightwing villain though
@@JigglyBooties Arrowverse did borrow heavily from Teen Titans tho. Bethany Snow was Brother Blood's PR guy, for instance.
It’s why I always think Slade works better if he has his own hero’s gallery, where he’ll fight characters like Batman, Green Arrow, Superman, Wonder Woman, Justice League, and Birds of Prey, but his archenemies should always be Nightwing and titans.
Kinda like how Doctor Doom has his own hero’s gallery where he’ll fight characters like Captain America, Iron Man, Black Panther, Thor, Doctor Strange, Avengers, and Shield, his archenemies should always be Mr. Fantastic and Fantastic Four.
7:11 that’s a myth
The video game bros out here swearing DS is the absolute villain because he had a cool cut scene in a video game
I'm fine with him facing off against Batman, slade is a great character to use for multiple different heroes but he shouldn't be the main villain in a Batman movie, there's no real connection between the two characters unlike with nightwing and deathstroke
Right. While I do hope and want to see Batman vs. Deathstroke in the DCU live-action film, he'd better show up in Teen Titans or whichever movie or show first before he meets Batman. Obviously, he is the main villain of TT and Nightwing, but in my opinion, he is a side villain for Batman. They fought multiple times.
Never thought of Deathstroke outside Teen Titans.
Deathstroke is a complete DC Villain and the reason why we see him fight against Batman is that he was hired or something valid. Bro has beef with batman's son why yall so surprised that Deathstroke is also fighting against him 😭
Thank You! Tired of them dogging DEATHSTROKE to make batboy look good, he's way beyond batman, he's a Titan villain, a villain who can take out Entire Teams, batman ain't in his league and we should blame those Hacks at Rocksteady for this!
The post credit scene reminded me that Full Fat Videos made a pitch for what ended up being Venom: The Last Dance where, because of Doctor Strange’s spell, Topher Grace’s Eddie Brock and Joe Maginello as Agent Venom end up in the movie’s universe leading to a three way fight and our Eddie/Venom teams up with Agent Venom against Topher Grace. That would’ve been awesome. I haven’t seen the movie btw because I’ve been told that it’s the worst of the trilogy.
It's really weird how much they try to minimize the significance of the teen titans because they are just as important and strong as the justice league like come on now. Between Deathstroke being more equated to Batman and Cyborg being more with the Justice League at this point, this shit should be a crime. They need more respect honestly 😭!!!
But in general though, Deathstroke is a mercenary so he's bound to run into everybody, and it's funny that he does LOL. Great video man
Batman's a professional villain stealer and hog. How many Green Arrow villains end up being adapted as Batman villains?
Makes me wonder how many people know Gentleman Ghost is actually Hawkman's archenemy lol
You mean like Green Arrow becoming a poor man's Batman with Ras wanting Oliver as his successor?
@@baki484 Firstly, Green Arrow was practically Batman with how much the CW tried to make Arrow into the Batman. Secondly, it's not like most people knew who Green Arrow was before Arrow, it's not so bad when a lesser known hero takes a major hero's villain, because that lesser known hero usually isn't going to get as much attention as that major hero. Arrow lasted for 8 seasons, and yet do you see any Green Arrow projects lined up?
Reminder that Solomon Grundy was a Green Lantern villain and somehow Batman, the guy that had his back broken by a steroid luchador, somehow has people saying that the super zombie that used to have beef with the guy with a magic ring and that can punch Superman is also one of his minoe villains
Diddystroke was originally a teen titan villain but then made his way to Batman mythos
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Dude, you have the coolest comment.
Deathstroke, in my opinion, works as a Nightwing Villain, he's an assassin with a hatred for teenagers. Nightwing works too well.
Dude doesn't have a hatred for teenagers tf😂
He's got a hatred for a specific group of teenagers that he blames for his sons death.
The simple answer is dc doesn’t care about Nightwing or the titans. Nightwing is a joke now and titans well you’ve seen teen titans go, DCAMU and the titans show. Batman vs Deathstrond is also more hype because Nightwing always gets clapped by death stroke one sidedly
@@KillMonger592 Deathstroke loves teenagers. Physically, I mean. 🤣 (Seriously, you fell into that one.)
An adult super soldier who can't kill teenagers, that's not cool.
@@jknetwork6211 I agree, Titans is a niche franchise, unlike Batman.
Exactly. He was originally a Green Arrow and Teen Titans villain, and then was basically all over as a villain, appearing prominently with some people, and occasionally with others; Rarely as a JL villain
hey i’ve seen this one this is a classic!
in all seriousness this is a great vid that expands on a LOT of what i talked about in mine
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Damm that Batman and Deathstroke movie and footage sounds and looked dope
1:32 that’s why I’m glad that film didn’t get made. Deathstoke being the main villain is boring. We’ve seen him multiple times in tv.
Correct. I am bored of this media. It has overstayed its welcome in my attention span. I acquire new stimulation.
Slade still needs to be the main villain of a teen titans movie though
@@cole6843 I’m ok with that.
There's some parallels between Batman and Deathstroke from the get-go, but I feel him being used as a Batman villain in stuff like Arkham Origins and Beware the Batman was an attempt at synergy when they were planning that Ben Affleck Batman movie vs. Deathstroke. Beware was originally going to use Hush instead of Slade.
Deathstroke is at his most boring as a character when hes a Batman viilain. Everything interesting about him is when hes against the Titans
I feel like every once in a while when the DC heroes are hanging out they all swap their own deathstroke stories 😂
The fact that a lot of these so called "deathstroke fans" seem to outright DISLIKE him being a Titans villain is laughable. A bunch of fake fans that only saw the arkham origins trailer and thats it. I bet you they have never touched a single deathstroke comic in their lives. Hell I can't think of a SINGLE noteworthy Deathstroke comic where hes a batman villain. Bane has Knightfall, Two Face has Long Halloween, Joker has like a million but Slade? I can't think of one
Ever since Arkham Origins people think hes mainstream batman villan
THANK YOU! Someone else said it! Deathstroke is too op for batman anyway. It makes more sense for Deathstroke to fight an entire team of heroes. With many members having powers. He's the arch nemesis of the teen titans. He is NOT a batman villain! Batman doesn't need to hog all the villains.
The simple answer is dc doesn’t care about Nightwing or the titans. Nightwing is a joke now and titans well you’ve seen teen titans go, DCAMU and the titans show. Batman vs Deathstrond is also more hype because Nightwing always gets clapped by death stroke one sidedly
How is he too op for batman? Batman literally beat deathstroke in issue 86 of current 2016 batman run, batman has been buffed so much in recent years with multiple stuff added to his repertoire like new martial arts moves new tech and armors, in my opinion deathstroke should be a villain for batman who challenges him on a combat level.
He was Batmans villain for a bit when Dick Grayson was Batman