TRUMP 2024 IS A SHELL OF TRUMP 2016
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on UA-cam. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news - the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on UA-cam, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
It’s probably for the best - the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all - class issues,” he said on a recent episode.
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It's really impressive that Krystal and Kyle managed to get 100% of JD Vance fans on the show at once.
Even Vance's wife is voting for Kamala Harris
🤣🤣🤣🤣
lol yeah
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Nah, have you seen Saagar Enjeti? JD Couch has at least TWO simps 😇😂😂
Trump 2016 was the interesting first album. Trump 2020 was a middle of the road sell out that flopped. Trump 2024 is a desperate greatest hits where the hits have dated badly.
Let's make these jokes after Nov 5. With Trump you never know, don't trust the polls.
trying to repeat his one hit wonder every night but he just doesn't have it anymore
If he was the "interesting first album."...why were you framing him as Orange H....r?
18:07 in 2016 you called MAGA insane too Kyle. Stop moving the goalposts - it makes you look like an establishment fraud
@@sevendeadlychins Trump would be a hair metal album. Even the good songs the fans know deep down kind of suck but some people have fun with how shocking and over the top it is. So now he is hair metal in 1993
It is pathetic how this guy is trying to some what defend JD Vance 🤮🤮
It's not pathetic to tell the truth.
@@WL1264 what’s the truth?
It’s absolutely pathetic and hilarious
@@WL1264truth is you’re probably overweight and watch too much Fox News
@@WL1264The "truth?" There's nothing truthful about JD Vance. He's a total fraud on every level and sometimes he's inept enough to admit it
There's a reason why Trump didn't want to debate in the Republican primary. His decline would've been evident much earlier
I mean. It made no sense for him to either
@@RealOGMudboneObviously he didn't have to, but I don't think it would've been a good idea to put Trump on a debate stage against Chris Christie and Nikki Haley. Republicans would've had to compare him to the other candidates
@@sirwill619 I think Desantis would’ve crushed him on the debate stage too
@@RealOGMudbone You show him side-to-side with DeSantis and Vivek and his age really shows. It showed with Kamala as it is
@@sirwill619 it does, I’ll never understand how people can still vote for him
JD is just as much of a snake
This wasn't the best guest lol.
I will say, the fact that they brought on someone who can say positive things of JD Vance means that when he issues fire warnings for the Trump and GOP, it feels meaningful.
Exactly. Knowing what the other side thinks is valuable information to counter it. @@jiado6893
Trump 2016 was more of an outsider, now hes grafted himself on to the establishment.
He was never an outsider. He just ripped off Bernie's talking points.
He went to the Clinton's wedding. He was never an outsider. Just another talking point people fell for.
The man who was handed millions from his father is an outsider and definitely not part of the elite 😂
He was always a corrupt player. He was in the club…which is why none of the other plutocrats called out his crimes.
@@je830but he was an outsider in politics. Prior to 2016 he had never been in politics. That's what we mean when we say "outsider"
In 2016 people saw him as something new, and something different, an "outsider" who could perhaps shake things up a bit and solve some problems. Of course that experiment went horribly wrong. Horribly wrong. He didn't fix anything, in fact he made things worse. How many manufacturing jobs did he lose? 300,000? It was a lot.
The amount of Republican voters who have literally admitted that they made a horrible mistake voting for him in 2016 is a large number.
When he said he likes JD Venice the couch lover, I muted him on my brain.
Why is this jd Vance defender on this show
So they can debunk his crap? I see your a fan of living in echo chambers, and I guess you just want to be comfortable and not ever challenge yourself…
Cause kyle is part of krystal, kyle and friends and he wants to promote the show and the show takes on all types of political types. Like kyle they attempt not to back down
Because not all of us want to live in an echo chamber.
It's better when they confront opposing viewpoints head on
@@ChrisRosenberg-p1s Grifting is when you talk to people who think differently than you and challenge their claims.
Secular Talk found the only JD supporter in the entire country🤣
Imagine how vapid and cringy Trump 2028 will be. He's going to sink the Republicans for the next 50 years.
He said recently that he wont run in 2028 if he loses. But we'll see, i think he couldn't help himself but keep runing in some form. Or he'll stick around like a ghost to haunt the gop's every decision
It would be fun if he ran for governor of Florida instead
He won't run. He will just say he won three times already, blame fake polls, fake news, fake votes, fake Americans -- but we all know who the fake really is.
@@lazyrmcat this point anyone who believes anything out of his mouth is being very gullible
@@lazyrmc when Trump says something I typically tend to believe the opposite.
Even trumps hair is pathetic compared to 2016
Go look at his 2012 hair lol.
He’s just pathetic period. And who is this guy saying VD Vance is all that?!?
@jasonashley9853 he's had multiple hair transplants and takes finasteride for hair loss and his hair has always looked bad. He would be bald if he poor. Finasteride is cheap now but it used to cost over 100 dollars a month and that was in the 2000s
@@veilmontTV wasn't even aware of the hair transplants and finasteride. Look, I can't stand the guy, but I also won't make fun of men for hair loss.
@jasonashley9853 when I was losing my hair before I discovered minoxidil and finasteride I was pretty fucking depressed. I do tend to live my life never making fun of bald people. Trump cares so much about his hair and he's evil so him and Steven Miller are the only two people who deserve it. I swear Miller lost his hair to pure hatred
And, of course, the obligatory conflation of immigration and ILLEGAL immigration.
Who is this dissembling guest - incoherent.
Embarrassing
He is the establishment now that’s the difference
He was the establishment in 2016, he just marketed better
Hillary was mana from heavan for Trump in 2016. Kamala is his kryptonite in 2024.
Very true!
Kamala is brown Hillary.
@@emhu2594 Hillary Clinton is much more pro-business than Harris.
Trump didnt go the republican debates. Why? Because he would have been tested and possibly lose.
Like kamala
Lmao not like harris she objectively crushed Trump on the debate stage - here’s this L for you
No way Trump would lose to other Republicans.
Trump IS the republican party, he has coopted the entire thing with his personality cult.
That dude's Ikea shelves are set up improperly. I hope he has them bracketed to the wall.
Universal tariffs is a batshit crazy, deeply stupid idea. This guy is a crank
Can't wait for Trump to get his clock cleaned by Harris in November. Salty MAGA tears 😂
I actually feel bad for MAGA. Most of them got FooCKED by neoliberalism, but Trump does that on steroids. Yeah Democrats suck, but you want even worse? Let me introduce you to the right......
I think your hopes are way overstated because she needs Michigan and with 240k Arabs in our state and we are livid with the Biden/Harris administration over the wars in Gaza and Lebanon not to mention Ukraine. Also, the UAW rank and file in our state are solidly behind Trump/
I'm gonna collect jars of the stuff and distill the salt for margaritas,
@@VengeanceN7 Better yet, sell the salt to his followers, they've demonstrated time and time again that they'll buy it.
@@diealtedunkelheit53 like what ,? Protection salt?, they actually think witches are a real issue, honestly don't see what the gripe with them is there, so yeah, or mix the salt with whatever bronzer Orange Shitler slathers up his faciladia and call it a skin cleanser lol, if anyone thinks of ideas for maga salt uses feel free to chime in!
This guy is a joke.
Trump was never a populist. His appeal was his racism. And this guy is a more sophisticated racist than the vulgar racist that trump is.
such a woke thing to say. and i'm not white.
White Americans are the founding stock of this very nation, our ancestors bequeathed it to us, America is our inheritance.
End of discussion.
What about Obamagate! /s
What a stupid comment.
@OnlyNattysatUSC44 I'm not white either, and I am woke af.
Doesn't matter how you spin it, JD admitted to making up stories for attention. That's pathetic.
Hey Kyle I’ve noticed in the past few K&K episodes that the audio quality is really jarring. The bass on your mics seems super high, it makes the videos hard to listen to with headphones and I have to turn the bass settings all the way down in my car. Not sure if this is just me, or just from this particular interview, but your regular videos I don’t have this issue.
WHO IS HE??
They really should have done a better job of not cutting that information out, but I *believe* he is a conservative journalist named Sohrab Ahmari. I had to do some digging though
@@DallasWales He’s an illiberal right-wing philosopher. His lane is what is called Catholic Integralism.
What do I care what this nerd has to say?
You meant terd
@@jd-tg1ox lol love it 😂
Yet, he is a stones throw away from winning. I think Kyle is too confident that he can't win.
It’s funny how he can see through the empty populism of Trump and Musk, though I suspect it’s just because they came out and said it directly, but JD’s seems to have won him over easily.
JD simp
Wow! Carrying water for JD and Trump. Good call on the guest, Kyle. Thank goodness he knows better than Trump what Trump's policies are.
Trump has no policy other than selling out to the highest bidder.
Crystal lookin 🔥
Yowza! 🔥🥵🥵🔥
Why do you never say the name of the guest?
Yeah, they really should have done a better job of not cutting that information out, but I *believe* he is a conservative journalist named Sohrab Ahmari, but that's just me guessing after digging,
The city asked for aid, not to be thrown under the bus by their Senator
Exactly 😒
bro come on, even jd deep down doesnt like jd.😂
That's obvious. Deep down Trump and JD both have deep self hatred and insecurity and that's what makes them so narcissistic.
He even talked faster then. Was he on drugs back then?
Yes and still is
Trump went from Nationalist, to Fox News conservative to radical Zionist.
Who is this fella lauding Vance?All those books behind him, and such ignorance. Kudos to Kyle for trying to find common ground
Teamsters president thought he was getting a seat as transportation secretary.
I'll say it again....The Orange Clown is going down!
Imagine being a jd vance defender lmao get outta here man
Is this joker for fucking real?!?
No one presses people better than Krystal.
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I really didn't see much "pressing," they were too easy on this Vance sycophant.
Their needs to be an upper age limit on running for president
And term limits for SCOTUS.
I wouldn't say it's very "populist" to oppose reproductive freedom. People seem to be throwing around that word a lot nowadays and have absolutely nothing of substance to back it up.
The adoration of his uneducated minions convince him of stupid positions, and clearly he Needs their worship.
2016 trump would think 2024 Trump is a loser.
Guys forgot to mention those Twitter interviews barely worked.
We all know what Vance "meant to say" when he said he creates stories, but it was clearly a Freudian slip
Biden is doing Trump? Who is this 🤡?
I was delusional in 2016, I did not think it was even a possibility that Trump could actually win the White House. I’m clearly voting for Kamala Harris but I’m concerned that he could beat her. I’m not feeling as confident. I do see a shift in Trump, I just see so many people who still support him and even people in this new generation of first time voters that aren’t solidly with the left. They are more open to MAGA conservatives because they’ve been desensitized growing up with a guy like Trump. Nervous.
And he is more dangerous.
I can't help but feel that polls are showing way too close a race, than what is actually happening.
How can Gallego(not even an incumbent btw!) run 10 points ahead of Harris in Arizona, how can Rosen run about 10 points ahead in Nevada?
Split tickets are increasingly rare at presidential level for federal races, something's got to give, and i think you will see something in the middle, Harris winning both of those states by a somewhat comfortable margin, not unlike the senate candidates for dems.
Voter poll manipulation, the distance between Harris & Tramp has got to be much greater, 5 weeks away will tell it all!
If you voted for DonOLD in 2016, you were fooled. If you plan to vote for DonOLD in 2024, you are a fool.
What this guy forgets is that J.D. Vance is even more disliked by the American public overall than Trump is
I remember in 2016 when people were talking about how much of a wreck Trump‘s campaign was. Do not get complacent.
Krystal is right in pointing out that JD Vance's so-called new right economic populism did not surface during his political campaigning --- which the guest should be questioned as to why.
He is, and that's precisely why people should be worried. In 2016 and 2020 he was formidable, and drew out a lot of people to vote against him. Now he looks old and weak and Kamala is surging. A lot of anti Trump people will cool their jets and not come out to vote on Nov 5. Key to beating Trump is the anti-Trump vote because his fans always come out in full force.
Kyle please cover Trump talking about his impeachment while standing next to Zelensky. I might say that it is truely a new low as hard as that might be.
Seniors are going to hate this, but there comes an age, maybe 70ish, where one becomes really too old to rule.
30 seconds in and this dude blows his nose into his hands wtf lmfao
He's always been a shell. An empty shell.
Da fuq is this guy?
He peaked in 2015
This guy is a joke!
i think that before the southern strategy, democrats were the somewhat right wing party and republicans were the somewhat left wing party. after the southern strategy this ideology shift happened. when clinton won and pretty much took over every right wing republican platform AND kept left wing democratic platforms, the republican party responded by freaking out and, instead of shifting to the left (which would have been seen as the politically salient option) they decided to shift even further right. and then with obama continuing to eat even more right wing positions, republicans freaked out again and went full nazi
With Clinton, the Democrats went neoliberal which means they aligned with Republicans on economic policy and war while remaining mildly liberal on social policy. To my surprise, Biden took steps away from neoliberalism which is why the economy is doing far better now, and real wages are rising for the first time in many decades. I think it has to do with Biden finally listening to Bernie and the other progressives. With Harris selecting Walz for VP, we can hope the progress continues.
@@bevtaylor5466 from everything harris has said and done it seems she is committed to protecting the working class and holding corporations accountable. however i also do think she will thread the needle between catering to workers and corporations
@vietimports I think right now she has to appear to thread the needle. There’s a growing number of Republicans who are voting for her. They aren’t MAGA, just traditional conservatives who find the GOP’s turn toward fascism dangerous (as we all should). She doesn’t want to offend those voters.
But I was surprised that Biden as president was different than Biden as Senator. Long time pundits had characterized him as a “finger in the wind” politician who would move in the direction demanded at the time, so it’s possible there is some flexibility with Harris as well. The only alternative with the red party is entirely unacceptable, so any chance is better than that.
Since she selected Walz, who has a real record of good policy, I take it as a good sign. It’s the first time we’ve had a chance to get someone with that record in that high a position. It sets him up for a presidential run in the future, so I think we should take advantage of that while being ready to press Harris for what we want when she gets in office.
A shell of a shill
It’s basically like Jurassic Park vs Jurassic World. You can’t recreate the same level of excitement as the first time you watched the movie. At least that’s the sense I’m getting from Trump supporters from 2016 to 2024.
Except they were saying all the same stuff about him in 2016. He was an "existential threat"
@@sevendeadlychins
Because he was and still is…
Hes the political equivalent of the 80s hair metal band playing the tired old hits at the county fair 10 years later.
But I love those gigs STILL and I can't stand MAGA so can you love one but hate the other?😅
@@notpub hair metal bands are dumb harmless fun. Donald Trump is flat out scary.
Kyle stooges for DNC corporate Kamala is a new low. What happened to this guy
Kyle 2016 is baby compared to Kyle 2024, it’s like a dragon ball Z evolution!
Trump twonny twonny VS Trump twonny twonny four, FIGHT!
Trump is a shell of himself since 2016??? Boy if that’s not the pot calling the kettle black
Hillary lost because of Jill Stein. Kyle endorsed Stein in 2016. Over at Breaking Points, Krystal is doing everything she can to help Trump. Thank folks like Kyle for Trump winning in 2016.
why has kyle turned so anti trump?
Can’t believe I’m hearing this guy slurp Vance like this.
Sometimes I like to check back in on this channel and confirm as to why it it hasn’t grown in years 😂
Who is this guy?
Ultimately this convo is making it crystal clear why we must get Harris/Walz to win so we can work to get a Third Party Progressive like Dr.Jill Stein or Dr. West and much better people running our government.
Let’s get democracy happening for real in the U.S. of A. ❤
You guys are pretty and ridiculous. The comments I leave are tame in comparison to the right wing lies, hate speach, name calling, and literally traitorous comments they leave on the "other side". Hope you're proud of it U-Tube.
Lets be real. It was definitely O’Brian’s fault.
Why are they humoring this Vance apologist? What a fucking joke.
Still, he's polling much better than both 2016 and 2020.
Loved this podcast! Trump brought brain rot to the GOP; I think the smart solution moving forward is to get Kinzinger & Cheney to form a third US political party to neuter the GOP. I like a name for it like USACP (USA Conservative Party).
Why are most web commentators living in book-archives oO?
Pretty scary to think about, Trump was scary stupid in 2016, and now you can't really quantify it.
kyle turned into a complete hack. Kyle.... this is what you decided to turn your career towards? that bag is just too good huh?
The "fair" interpretation people try to give Vance's "we made up the story" comment is so off the mark. Even granting him the benefit of the doubt, that all he meant was he's creating the media's interest in the story, he's still admitting he's misrepresenting and spinning what the actual story is
And yet, he just might be your president again. What a joke.
Knowing nothing about this guy, he seems like a republican who whishes that trump would just tone down the messages
I think it's more his true colors showed especially after four years of his corpo rule.
Entertaining JD Vance as if he's something other than what he actually is = 🖕🤨
OK so then there's nothing really to worry about right
I think he's laying out a defense for being unwell, and his mental capacity is diminished to face charges to avoid prison.
This dude is living in a fantasy land.
Fully agree. Trump went from an out of touch old man in 2020 to a fifteen year old boy in 2024. Maybe that's his secret to staying young, given how little he takes care of himself lol.
I wish car/truck people would speak up about tariffs. The chicken tax is notoriously hated in the car community because it's Toyota's reason why they won't sell us the Hilux. All our small affordable pickup trucks are gone because of a stupid tariff on Japan.
Money plays both sides and has moved to the democrats because they are adults in the room. Markets actually like it when they can predict the future. When everyone has to play by the same rules. Its not a good thing really, In the long run not having a real party to contend with will make the democrats sloppy. Checks and balances.
JD has attempted achievements?
This guy is from maybe July. It makes no sense to say these things now.
He kind of lost me when he started loving on JD Vance 😆😂
Vote anything but D