Yamaha P-225 & P-145 Preview
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- Exciting news! Yamaha has released new P-Series digital pianos! The P-225 replaces the P-125 and the P-145 replaces the P-45. These are not available where I live yet, but I wanted to let you know they are on the way and give you my initial reaction to the specs as listed online (in July of 2023).
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UPDATE: My review on the Yamaha P-225:
• Yamaha P-225 Review
Yamaha P-225: geni.us/eFj7
Yamaha P-145: (not available yet)
Yamaha DGX-670 Review: • Yamaha DGX-670 Review
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Yamaha P-125 Review: • P125 Full Review
P-125A Video 1: • Yamaha P-125A vs. Yama...
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Thanks for the video. With all the pianos of this category/price out there, I purchased the P-225. From the info on this video, I made an excellent choice. The P-225 has more features than I realized.
That's awesome congrats! I'm looking forward to reviewing that one!
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Hey i was wondering if you do a comparison of the standard action (ghs) and the newly released and updated ghc action, i find the kawai es120 and the p 225 very similar because of their action (the ghc and rhc).
They both have a "compact" action, im really in the mood to choose a digital piano right now so just make a comparison i guess.
I’ll definitely talk about the action once I’m able to rent a P-225; they haven’t even been announced on my country’s website yet (not expected to be available until late in 2023, and then I have to wait until they start renting them so could be a while).
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in your opinion, what is more durable between keys in P145 (GHC) and Korg Liano (Semi Weighted)?
im looking for digital piano that is durable in term of key. no matter weighted or semi weighted
The 145 (GHC) hasn't been out long enough to know for sure - the prior action (on the P-45: GHS) was one of the best built ever, and the GHC does feel just as good, but it is brand new. And the other thing to consider is fully weighted actions have more moving parts, grease. etc so a non weighted keybed might last longer.
To be honest, I can't say one way or another :)
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I have the roland fp30 but there are somethings i never liked with it so i might go for the 225 if the key action is good. 😊
It will be interesting to check out the action; I am betting it will be a lighter action than the FP30. Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
The end of the video was *EXACTLY* what I was wondering, the difference between the P145 and the P143, I thought it was key differences (the 3 perhaps being short for "73 keys") but the website says otherwise, so until they are released these are very confusing models.
Also, I wonder if you can ask your Yamaha rep if there's a replacement coming for the MX series? I asked Blake on one of the Yamaha live streams for the CK model if the CK was a replacement for the MX and he, point blank, said "No", so I wonder if there really is a replacement coming for the MX.
I don’t actually have direct access to a rep, I asked my keyboard manager and he hasn’t heard anything so can’t say for sure sorry.
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Hi so the P125 and the P145 are the same price. Which one would you recommend? The older P125 or the newer P145? Any assistance appreciated. Thanks in advance
As long as it is the P-125 and NOT the P-125a then I would recommend the P-125; the P-145 is newer and it has been upgraded to a similar sound engine as the P-125 uses so the sound quality should be close (I haven't reviewed the 145 yet but plan to soon); but the P-125 has more sounds, the onboard rhythms are super useful for practice, and the 125 has L/R line outs (the 145 only has a headphone out). But if it's the 125a, then I would recommend the P-145 (the 125a has no audio interface built into the USB port - the 125 does and so does the 145 and it's a huge feature).
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I am looking to get a piano and was going to go with a p125, but hearing about this update, I think it may be best to hold off a bit. Any idea how much the price increase is for the 225? Hopefully not too much.
Not sure where I live - no prices announced for North America yet - looking at UK prices - $800 pounds = $1000 USD so looks like it will definitely be more money. If you can find a p125 (not a 125a) you might save yourself some cash.
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@@PianoTone Thanks! I am on the fence between this, waiting, or getting the DGX 670. Your reviews are super helpful and I appreciate the response
@@lucanus8997 If you don't need portability, the DGX-670 is spectacular (I have one and love it) - there's a review on my channel on that as well; it's a beast to move bulky and 50 lbs
@@PianoTone I just need to be able to move it into my apartment. I would only move it if I moved, but am not going to need to perform.
Yeah, I saw that. It is great. I'm leaning in the direction of the DGX-670. Having a lot of things to play around with and a screen to help with learning/tutorials will help motivate me. Plus, I saw what you said about the p-125a downgrade, which is a shame. I would have to get used if I wanted a p-125, and I'm a bit hesitant to do that.
@@PianoTone The price is already listed on Yamaha US
Waiting for you to review the p-225. Looking get either p125 or p225. Please advise
I probably won’t have access to a P-225 until late 2023 or 2024 (they haven’t even been announced on Yamaha’s website where I live yet), so I can’t really give you a firm recommendation. If you can get a P-125 (but do not buy a P-125a!) for significantly less $ than a P-225 that might be a good idea.
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@@PianoTone thank you for your reply. I have definitely watched your video about p-125 vs p-125a. Thank you for your videos. Very helpful 🫡💪
I got in touch with Yamaha in Canada and they are telling me that P-225 will be available in November here.
Michael
Ps. I returned my P-125 (that I got after selling P-515 - I needed lighter action) and just got a rental. I will wait for P-225.
Sounds cool, looking forward to seeing these new models
Cfx p225 is amazing sound for solo, but for play with band i choose voice cf3s p125 / p145
Yeah sometimes for a band context a brighter piano sound cuts through a mix better - will be interesting to hear what other piano sounds are included on the P-225.
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I'm guessing that the simpler tone may work better on stage. I'm a big fan of the CF and the CF samples anyway.
But I don't think the new P-225 model is really made for gigging so much as for home use. It lacks a screen, lacks a battery option, and the speakers now point out for use against a wall. At gigs you need upward facing monitors - at least the tweeters. I know because I own both a P-255 (not a misprint) and a P-121. I realise, however, that there are some improvements, but I think the P-121 still remains the best Yamaha deal.
@@Zoco101 Would need to see how much "venting" of sound comes out the front, but I'm not a huge fan of downward or backward facing speakers TBH. They haven't announced a "P-221" (73 key version) hopefully they do. The P-121 still has the audio interface, they never made a "P-121A"; the 121 is a great portable option, and a great basic gigging keyboard if all you need is piano, EP and basic organ.
These pianos are already listed on Yamaha Europe Web site but there is nothing official about their release in Canada (the only hint may come from the price drop of Yamaha P-125a). I would not mind a second (I have P-515) Yamaha digital piano (I really do not need what DGX670 or CK88 offer - I only ever use main acoustic piano sounds) but the short pivot of the key action concerns me.
I would like to add that I had three digital pianos (and MIDI controllers) with PHA-4 action and although I initially preferred PHA-4 to GHS (it is too light for me) this action always developed a clicking noise after 4-5 months of intensive use. It was not as bad as Kawai plastic actions (that I really do not like) but it was nevertheless unacceptable for me.
Thank you for your preview!
Thanks!
MUSIQUE GAGNÉ is already listing it. I called about the price but they pretended that they do not know it yet. Yamaha P-125 is disappearing slowly from the stores.
Hopefully soon then …
Tony, did you see that Yamaha P-525 is announced in USA and in Europe?
Michael
It’s on the USA website as well!
@@PianoTone Yes, I saw it. They announced it simultaneously this time. I am surprised and it changes everything for me.
Michael
Is DGX 670 still better than 225? So I don't need DGX features.
It's not better, it's different. If you don't need all the DGX features then definitely get the P-225; it has the same high quality CFX Grand piano sounds and it's way more portable! I have one rented now, should have a review up in the next week or so; stay tuned (but it's awesome!)
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@@PianoTone We are waiting for the review as soon as possible..👍🏻
Are you sure that P-45 did not have USB Digital Audio Interface? The Website (Digital Pianos with USB Audio Interface) lists it.
I’m pretty sure the P-45 does not have a built in audio interface; I would have to test one in a store to re-confirm (I reviewed that piano a long time ago). I also don’t see that feature listed on any Yamaha website, and I’ve seen other reviews online explicitly saying that’s a big difference between the 125 and 45. But I will check if my local store has any on display so I can test and make sure.
@@PianoTone Did you look at Website I mentioned, please? Thank you.
@@mfurman Are you talking about the one that's listed off of the piano world forum? Yes I see that it is listed there, but I don't think that's correct
@@PianoTone This is the one that already lists P-225 and that also says that no Kawai digital pianos have it.
I actually bought P-125 in Best Buy (Canada) today - it is $800 and they give Yamaha matching stand for free! They are not saying that it is P-125a and although I think that it is a mistake, I am still hopeful that I may get P-125. My Yamaha P-515 NWX action started to become a problem for my fingers when playing for longer period of time. I do not need features of DGX670 or CK88 and I can use my VSTs with Scarlett Digital Audio Interface. I hate Kawai bouncing actions (I tested quite a few of their digital pianos including CA49 that I could get for C$2800. Thank you for all your videos. Michael
@@mfurman That's awesome congrats hope it arrives soon! And also hope it is a 125 not 125A (but I know people have ordered 125 from Amazon and gotten 125A). But if you have an audio interface then that will help if it ends up being a 125A
They gave the 225 a shorter key length which will affect playability, more like the consumer Casio DPs now. On the positive side, a somewhat better sound (though with rear-facing speakers), better polyphony, a slightly better audio interface, a 2nd headphone jack
Yes it will be very interesting to test out the action I’ll be thrilled if it feels the same as the GHS - happy about the CFX grand, not so much about the back facing speakers though
Hey thanks for the info!
I tested a P-145 at the music store yesterday and compared it to a P-125A. I had never tested the old GHS before, so both were new to me. All in all, I have to say I liked the new GHC a lot actually! More than the GHS, although that one wasn't bad either. (Though I'm not sure how representative my action preferences are haha -- I don't like the PHA-4 at all, for example). Anyway the big difference is that the GHC action is much more cushioned at the bottom (which also makes the keys a LOT less noisy). It doesn't have that sharp bottoming like the GHS has at all. As for pivot length, they seemed pretty similar. Weight too (as in force required to depress the key). Key return speed seemed about the same as well, perhaps the GHS was slightly faster, it was hard to compare.
Looking forward to hear what you think once you get your hands on one :)
That’s all great to hear thanks for sharing that info! I have had 3 pianos with GHS and they all feel super close but still slightly different too. My DGX-670 feels the best but I think that’s the heavy case it is in (I’ve never opened it but I’ve heard it is heavy because it has a heavy possibly wooden base); the action feels a tiny bit “sturdier” than my P-125 or CK88.
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When you say that the weight is pretty similar - is GHC slightly lighter or slightly heavier than GHS? I just got two days ago P-225, but I am not sure about the keys weight - I feel them a bit heavy, so I am wondering if GHS is lighter?
@@niliev Sorry couldn't say. None of them felt particularly heavy compared to the acoustic I'm used to playing
@@davidhogberg3997 Thanks for the info.
Have you, by any chance, measured static weight needed to move the keys? Is it properly weighted? How difficult it is to press write keys close to the fulcrum?
I always thought that GHS has a “softer bottom” than PHA-4 or Casio PX-S digital pianos.
Is the action bouncy when coming to the rest position?
Thank you very much,
Michael
the Casio Px-s 1000 was such a brilliant revolutionary concept that Yamaha couldnt help theselves but copy it.They made the action short,the case slim and they put the speakers infront just like Casio.I hear even the keys are textured.
Yeah it definitely surprised me they went that direction with the key action (I personally really like the Casio smart scaled action, but it was a hot topic online with many people disliking it). I’m not a fan of speakers facing back or down though, I wish they’d left them where they were - I had a PXS1100 and 3000 and really liked them (especially the 3000) but the speakers never sounded as good as my P125; might be necessary to save that 1 inch in depth …. And if they are copying Casio, Casio needs to do the same and start including built in audio interfaces (Yamaha has been doing it for years even in their inexpensive PSR-E series keyboards; it’s a massive amount of functionality Casio is ignoring - can’t figure out why)
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@@PianoTone i have afriend who is a concert pianist,she still goes gigging for extra income in small places with aYamaha,i think the new one with speakers facing the audience will be useful for that.
I received my P225 a couple of days ago, I purchased it from the Guitar Center and I am in California, I also have a DGX670 to compare with. I am really surprise on the improvements on the P225 and I am surprised that there are so few non store reviews for this machine in the US. I expected the key action to be not as good as the one on the DGX670, however it is much better, the down distance is slightly less, it doesn't have that bounce vibration that the GHS has, the touch is very responsive, maybe slightly lighter, and it has almost no sound when playing unlike the GHS which is a little noisy. I really like the GHC better than the GHS and not by a little bit, I am surprised. The sound of the CFX is better than what was on the P125, the rest of the sounds are the same. I thought the speakers would not be as good as the P125, but once again they sound much better, they have a more full sound. I also now feel the vibration in the keys that is similar to a grand piano which I don't have in the DGX670. The logo is smaller on the back and they removed the white print for the connectors. Overall I like this new version a lot better than the P125 and now I wish this action was in the DGX670. Now I wonder what everyone else thinks about the changes.
Wow that’s all really encouraging to hear! Now I’m really looking forward to when I can get my hands on one (still not even announced as available in Canada yet)
I also just got my P225 few days ago and I am wondering if the GHC is lighter or heavier than GHS. I want to minimize the impact on my hands so I would prefer easier to play keyboard (it is not a real piano, so I don't need it to mimic a real one). I would really appreciate your thoughts.
@@niliev I'm super curious as well - I won't be able to get my hands on a P-225 for at least a few months though :(
@@niliev My opinion is that GHC is slightly lighter that the GHS. The huge difference is the noise, GHC is almost silent. GHS has a bit of a bounce at the end of the stroke and you hear it with a thud sound, you can also feel this bounce and it’s not how a real piano feels. The GHC seems to have dampened this bounce. So it feels a bit more “piano like” in that respect, but I think it makes it a bit easier to play in that you don’t get tired as easy. Also I noticed that the dynamics are a bit more controllable. I noticed on the GHS I can get about 8 levels of sound from the quietest to the loudest with each key. With the GHC I can get a few more especially in the quiet end. I like to play on the GHS keyboard and its one of the better ones at this price level. I do think they have improved it with the GHC which is hard to believe because it is more compact so intuitively you would think they would have to make some compromises. When I put the two keyboards next to each other and play on one then immediately play on the other its hard to tell them apart, however if I play on one for a day or two then play on the other you do notice that it is different. I suspect that the GHS will be replaced with the GHC in the future. The GHS has been around a long time, it time for it to be replaced. What I don’t know is what the build quality is or the quality of the parts or the quality of engineering.
@@vincentchandler611 Wow - thanks for the detailed description! So I am not going to return my P225 :) I was thinking about getting YDP-145 (GHS) to compare the two and choose which one to keep, but your observations really help me decide. Thanks a lot!
Please review Kawai ES120 and ES920
Hi there! Would love to but Kawaii is hard to find where I live; I have never even seen one in a store.
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Preordered P-225 (Canada).
Michael
Awesome where from? Keep me posted!
@@PianoTone Long&McQuade. They listed it today (at the same time as Yamaha Canada). I will 😊
@@PianoTone I uploaded videos to my channel. One about P-225 action noise test and the other - a short P-225 sound test.
Michael Furmaniak
An update: I returned P-225
@@mfurman How come? I've had one rented (review coming soon) for a couple weeks and I quite like it.
I am wondering why my comments with some price details are being deleted.
Hey there - I haven’t deleted any comments of yours, so not sure?
@@PianoTone I did not mean to say that you did but UA-cam algorithms do not like certain combinations of words and I think that you can have some input into it. I generally cannot include the links to Web sites in comments.
just after I bought the p125 but oh well, the p225 is 250 euros more expensive anyway so Im satisfied
The P125 is still amazing so I wouldn’t worry about it if I were you .
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@@PianoTone I love the p125 everyone online was raving about the fp-30x and ES-110 but for me the p125 is just the best pick overall
Bluetooth MIDI would have been MUCH more important IMHO, and is still missing. But nevermind, speakers at the back have already been the show stopper for me. Totally brain-dead if 90% (my estimate) of buyers will want to position their digital piano directly at the wall :-( And 64x polyphony for a 600€+ d-piano? Give me a break. BTW, Thomann in Germany states availability "in 7-9 Weeks" (for 639€/888€!).
I’ve never been a huge fan of speakers at the back either but it seems backward and downward facing speakers seem to be common recently. I don’t use MIDI much myself, but have always found Bluetooth midi to be too laggy to be of any use (at least in keyboards that have had that have had that feature that I’ve tested it in).
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@@PianoTone Thanks for your reply. Interesting you'd say that. Speakers at the bottom or the back are probably becoming more common due to the quest for 'compactness', which itself is questionable IMHO. If anything, key mechanisms should also become *less* compact and increase the distance to the pivot point to make playability more even from front to back of the key (again, IMHO). As for BT MIDI, that should usually have *less* latency than BT audio, simply b/c it has much less data to transport. I was especially interested in BT MIDI since it would simplify the adapter situation for tablets/smartphones, and circumvent the USB host/device conundrum.
BTW: Any chance you're going to release a review of that M-Audio MIDI controller keyboard (which I presume that is) that can be seen in the background of this video any time soon? I've never seen a model with such a button/controls layout. Really interesting.
Actually I just rented that for an upcoming video on using an external board to trigger sounds on my new Yamaha CK88 stage piano, so no I won’t be doing a review on the MIDI controller sorry. I know zero about midi controllers and their ability to control DAWs etc so I can only comment on the key action, which I found surprisingly nice - almost semi weighted feeling and true full size (piano size) octave width so easy to transition to if you’re used to a piano.
@@PianoTone Thanks again, esp. for the info on the key action. I found the model now: Oxygen Pro 49. It is actually advertised as having semi-weighted keys (with Aftertouch, which is nice).
so, this or Casio PX-S1100?
Hi there! I haven't seen a P-145 yet and I've only briefly played a P-225 in store (but I plan to be renting and reviewing a P-225 soon). These 2 pianos have a new key action I need to spend more time with before I can say for sure, but if the key action is as good as the prior GHS then I would most likely recommend the P-225 over the Casio PX-S1100 for sure; the P-145 would be a closer comparison. Stay tuned for the review on the P-225!
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@@PianoTone Thank you. Im currently torn between casio cdp-s360, yamaha P-145 and casio PX-S1100.
The bluetooth audio is a nice extra, and the audio over MIDI will be welcomed back by P-125 fans. I'm suspicious of the new action. Ambitious students need something nearer to the GH3 action, not GHS meets Casio compact... Even the GH action on my old deleted P-255 is sturdier and effectively quicker than GHS. How much does the P-225 weigh?
And the P-121 remains unchanged? That's just as well, because it is fine as it is. There's no need to bump the price up with unnecessary extras. It might even have the audio over USB anyway. It's only a glorified entry-level instrument, so therefore imperfect, but imperfect in a very balanced way, and great for the price.
As I've said elsewhere, I think the P-121 is Yamaha's best deal in DPs, and has been for a while. And finally, I have put my wallet where my mouth is and have bought one as a travel/backup instrument. It only weighs 10kg, and it fits in my RV. Only having 73-keys makes it a great travel width, but I don't need it to be any slimmer. I hope the audio over USB is still there, but it's not a deal breaker for me.
The 225 weighs 25 lbs so about the same as the 125. We'll have to wait and see on the action, I'm hoping it's as advertised and it feels like the GHS (I love that action); I've never played GH before . . .
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@@PianoToneThanks for the review of these pianos. I enjoyed it. I think I shall subscribe.
just when I wanted to buy my first one🧸but saldly there's a huge difference yet😔 p45 is 400€ here while P145 is 600€
Wow that’s quite a difference; although the piano sound has been upgraded and the built in audio interface is a huge new feature in the 145; I guess it comes down to how the action feels.
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Just bought my P-121 for about €525. It's only got 73 keys, but it's much better than a P-45. Even the GHS action feels better to me than a P-45 GHS action. Are you sure you need 88 keys?
@@Zoco101 Awesome! 121's aren't easy to come by in Canada any more.
P125A actually also have a upgrades to 125, for example this model now have a "strings vibration " mode and a coupe others.
This three new models is good signal before Yamaha make a big step with UPgrade to P515...we all waiting for this !
Hi there! Actually that’s not the case; the P-125 always had string resonance and key off samples (I demonstrate that in this video:
ua-cam.com/video/80eCBafq1TI/v-deo.html
But yes, really looking forward to these new models!
I just bought a P 145 and if anyone says that its is good then please go to specavers and get a hearing test as It sounds dreafull
That’s not good to hear! Is it through the speakers that you don’t like or through the headphones?
How do you compare the action of this digital piano (GHC) with GHS of P-125 and other Yamaha digital pianos. Have you, by any chance, measured static weight needed to move the keys? Is it properly weighted? How difficult it is to press write keys close to the fulcrum?
Thank you,
Michael
@@PianoTone I dont use headphones
Hi! You try to do atuning of your keybed on 432 Hz instead of default inbuilt 440 Hz, it might be improved
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