God of War Ragnarok- Hints and Details Tyr Secrets!
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- God of War Ragnarok Tyr is not who he says he is. In this video here is every hint on that twist.
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The writing is so good! All they had to do was cloud my mind with “Tyr just wants peace” and that prevented me from seeing the truth.
It works because we were told he was a peaceful war God over a destructive one and had no reason to believe this was far off from his real personality
@@nnightkingj yes but at the same time he was the god of war - though we are told that was the last thing he wanted, we are never told he was this "mockery" of wanting peace.
The writing in Naughty Dog and Santa Monica studios are just unmatched in the games industry.
sadly some other aspects of the story were lacking, the thrud thor sif lore was bad, how casual it was just atreus talking to them and thrud accepting him. also ragnarok was just a city siege, and freyr kinda dying for no reason. etc
@@FrostCrash shut up crybaby. The writing was amazing. F off
@@lucashubbard5998 hahahah chill , it was a good game, just lacking parts of story, dont just mindlessly consume
The biggest clue I picked up on was when he
stabbed Brok in the chest and revealed himself to
be Odin the whole time. It was subtle, but that was what convinced me that something wasn't right with Tyr
You have some crazy critical thinking skills, to be able to get so much from so little. Wow. Bravo, sir.
@@blessedbycandy5501 lmaoooooo
10 million IQ you should go to NASA.
@@elviraweekes3906 he should start his own NASA.
@@elviraweekes3906 YALL GOTTA CHILL LMAOOOOOOO
I also noticed that tyr right after recovering from running away once you set him free, bonks his head into a low ceiling, meaning he isn’t used being in such a tall body
oh damn thats really cool
I never noticed that, great detail
And even then we would think in our first playthrough that "Tyr" isn't used to moving since he was locked for soo long
Not wrong, but I bump my heard all the goddamn time
I hate it when comments don’t have a time stamp
Only reason as to why Brok was able to sniff out that something was wrong is that he looked at the nature of Tyr not the form of him
Omg. I could cry.
Exactly. Brok judges by nature just like a master smith. Tyr knows how to travel to Asgard but didn’t mention anything and walking off with the mask in his hand doesn’t make sense for someone who wants peace only.
Brok also kinda not intimidated nor respect "Tyr", not having bias like the others
@@hafirenggayuda good observation brother.
This made me miss Brok so much…
There is another huge hint you didn't mention.
The first time Atreus goes to Asgard and is walking around with Odin, Odin let's a big hint slip on accident. He tells Atreus at one point during their walk that "At least Mimir hasn't lost his sense of humor." This line implies Odin has been spending time recently with Mimir. The only time we've seen Odin and Mimir interact recently is at the very beginning when he and Thor came to "talk." But in that scene, Mimir was angry and hostile with Odin; he never made jokes or anything. So Odin bringing up Mimir's sense of humor reveals that Odin has been Tyr and spending time with Mimir at Sindri's house; where Mimir would be relaxed and act more like himself (joking, telling stories, etc...)
I like what your thinking but hes deff talking about visiting the house and mimir being a dick lol
One of his lines before that also I feel was a hint, “Well he hasn’t exactly got a good perspective with my former employee and ex-wife in his ear” Not the exact quote but Atreus only went to Asgard right when Freya moved into Brok and Sindri’s House. Kratos did spend plenty of time with Freya in the last game but with that little detail definitely felt off with me that he mentioned Freya
Honestly that wasn't such a big tell, given the fact that Mimir Immediately went hard on him when he visited their home, So we're kinda mislead to believe he was referring to this moment.
Odin is known for using ravens as his spies to find out what happens in the Nine Realms and he is also spoken of as a god that wants to know everything, so these hints don't actually hint at Odin being Tyr but can simply be a nod towards Odin knowing a lot.
Odin also had plenty of time to talk with Atreus and Mimir when Kratos was fighting with Thor.
Missed one. They said in god of war 4 that tyr was entrusted with the giants secrets, yet “tyr” said they were very private people and he did not know much
If I learn secrets of a race of people who are wanted dead, chances are I'm gonna act like I don't know anything either 💀
Didn't know anything about the loki prophecy, Faye (just that he heard about her), Didn't know anything about the Unity Stone/jumping off the edge of the world tree... which HE helped put together in his temple.
Yeah they ask lots of questions that the REAL tyr would have the answers to! but says he doesn't know anything...so yeah I already knew this wasn't the real tyr at all from the start
And that the real one knew the steps to getting into Jotunheim. Would've mentioned one of two of them by then.
I think that the reason that Artreus is teleported outside Asgard and forced to climb the wall is to buy some time for Odin to teleport back when it's not suspicious.
That actually makes a lot of sense when you think of it.
Good eye! Thats clever writing paired with meaningful gameplay
That, and also so he could have atreus meet up with Heimdall so he could later undo the tension between the two, making him seem like the good guy who prevented heimdall from killing him
i thought it was to make atreus meet heimdall, who odin knows is an asshole, so that when odin comes in and resolves the conflict, he makes himself look better in front of atreus.
Also worth noting that when Atreus comes back the time after unleashing Garm. The group is battling Hel Walkers. “Tyr” comes out at the last second, probably bc it took Odin some time to get back after JUST talking to Atreus about the whole situation in Asgard.
The 4 biggest hints to me after re-playing were.
1. When the group learns that Goa hid the true prophecy. Odin's pure shock and horror to realize all the preparations mean nothing. And the outbursts of anger he has towards Atreus and Kratos.
2. If you go back to the "cell" we rescued him from. There's tons of raven feathers covering the floor.
3. The way he tries to stroke Atreus' ego after they learn he's the champion of the Giants.
4. And I think this is the biggest tell. When Freya first enters Sindri's home he calls her Frigg. Which is stated by Mimir to be something that only Odin ever called her as a cute nickname.
And not really a tell but the fact that Tyr this 10 foot tall god that towers over even Kratos fit himself in a broom closet just made me chuckle but realizing Odin just used the area to go back and forth between Sindri's home and Asgard makes a lot more sense than him curling up in a ball trying to fit LMAO
Wait the broom closet thing actually makes so much sense as I was wondering how Odin was able to travel back and forth without the others getting suspicious of him disappearing all the time
There's a couple others who call her frigg though.
@@T-roccBABY who?
@@Atticus711just Aesir gods I think?
Heimdall and Sif I believe both refer to Freya as “Frigg” during at least one point in the game…tho Heimdall saying it is right before the fight with him and Freya is the companion…and he probably does it solely to piss her off to lose her focus.
Sif I think says it during a random side conversation during one of the mask building missions.
When 'Tyr' first sees the prophecy, he bumps into Atreus on the same side as Odin's missing eye.
Holy ur right
That’s some masterful observation
Ok that's a reach
@@mydude8731 hold a hand over one eye and you'd be surprised how much vision you lose.
He usually has his Ravens to make up for that but when he's Tyr he doesn't have that luxury.
clearly not on odins part
Another small hint I noticed: In Alfheim, when Atreus mentions they killed the Dark Elf King, "Tyr" mentions wondering what happened to him. He should have no way of possibly knowing the king even went off the radar.
Also, the way he gets in Sindri's face upon finding out that they took Draupnir is a pretty big one.
He legit gets irritated when hearing about the ring. Another thing i was confused by but ignored lol
I forgot about that, but in the Niflheim prison you see all sirts of prisoners Odin kept alive to turn into, an Elf being among them
There was also a subtle hint if you have the subtitles on. The false "Týr" was named "Tyr" in the subtitles, while the real one, found later in the game, was indeed called "Týr". I love that one !
Edit: indeed, the pieces of Asgard fell not only in Midgard, but also in the other realms... My bad ! Big thanks to the people who corrected below 😊
What u find him again in late game tf?
@@sleeper6548 yep, after the main quest 😊
@@g36Christiana heeeeeeeeh? After the story wasn't it just gone, no one saw real Týr
@@sleeper6548 In the post game, some pieces of Asgard fell on Midgard. And one those is a prison... where you can find the real Týr ^^
@@g36Christiana the prison was in Niflheim, not Asgard
Also love the detail that Brok was so offended when Tyr said there's another way to Asgard, because Brok and Syndri know all the ins and outs of all the realms except Asgard and Johtenheim. And Brooks proud of that knowledge but all of a sudden Tyr has a way, when this conversation started I got a bad feeling.
I was completely oblivious to any hints (well, I recognized one or two but shrugged them off as, "Eh. I'm sure in 2018 they explained how Tyr and Freya were super close so he too called her Frigg and I just completely forgot. Oh well 🤷♂️". But yeah, once Brok started getting confrontational I was like, "Uh oh. I don't like where this...WHAT THE FUCK!?!? NOOO!! 😳"
Took me a while go realize that Odin was Tyr. My brain was so rattled by what happened that I actually thought Tyr was working WITH Odin and after he stabbed Brok, he teleported out of there and Odin appeared.
I was legit like, "Wait! Where did Tyr go!?!?". Took a bit to realize what had actually happened. Lol
@@hersh23 same, I thought taht Tyr was working for Odin too
@@hersh23 underrated comment 💯
Brok smell the BS on Odin when he mention that
Brok was onto him from the beginning , lots of subtle hints.
As boring as the game can be a parts, the writing and characters are 👌🏼👌🏼
I have seen antagonists use compassion, love and politics as a weapon. But never have I’ve seen a antagonist use, someone’s desire of peace for a hole game as a weapon. How are they going to top Odin in the far future?
The fact that theres always a way is what keeps me excited about what will come next.
Shame I got spoiled by some A hole in Jon Ford's comment section
Still was cool to notice things and still leaks + actions in-game didn't fully align when I played
Like no way Odin would be able to be in 2 places at once. Or to have Týr's abilities, like Hulk jumping. I thought Týr would double-cross the team for his own reasons, "for the greater good of Nine Realms" or any other bullshit, like of course we can't truly trust him.
But no. Odin impersonating Týr theory was right all along. Also leaked images (some art book) having topless Týr's with tattoos and a spear... What a bamboozle from both developers and leakers.
Maybe a god that wants to kill kratos more than kratos is able to kill him
@@Markuzsosa Like a Gorr the Godkiller situation ?
Living in a country where calls for peace and harmony are immediately used when people have a religious complaint, it is hardly new to me unfortunately.
Once you understand that peace and civility is a weapon used by the status quo, conflict only upsets them.
An interesting thing I noticed when Atreus was in Asgard was while in Odin's library, I was looking around to see everything he had. Then on his desk, I saw the same travel door diagram that Brök and Sindri made. At 1st when I saw it, I thought it was that the level designers messed up and put that there by accident. After finding out about Tyr, it made sense why he had it.
true
@@ThwipThwipBoom toph is better
@@eclipseter3656 The Boulder merely let her win as the honorable Boulder would never beat up a little disabled girl
One thing I noticed is that mimir states Odin finds it difficult to turn down a challenge in his story about the Asgardian wall. When Brok tells “tyr” to try making food he accepts without hesitation, seeing it as a challenge and slamming down on the table. Along with that (as many people have pointed out) he used vegetables in the soup, Odin wouldn’t normally do this but since he was challenged and didn’t want to lose, he acted carelessly. “Tyr” also begins to become more agitated with brok near the end when he calls his food “passable dirt soup”, seeing it as Brok saying he underperformed in the challenge.
One question, HOW the hell would you know what type of soup Odin would make... none of this is passable
@@ThePlatinumVault why do I need to know? All I need to know is broks opinion on it
@@ThePlatinumVault I believe I read somewhere that Brok asked where Tyr got the vegetables for the soup he makes them, as they are only capable of being grown in Asgard during Fimbulwinter
lmao this is a stretch but it's still hilarious to think
Imagine Odin muttering to himself after stabbing Brok and escaping the house: "take that you stupid dwarf. My soup is NOT just 'passable'"
I'd like to think Odin wouldn't have killed Brok until he called his soup bad. At that point, it was personal
You also forgot to add the scene where Brok insults “Tyr” for making stew with vegetables in it. We know because of Mimir that the only places that can grow food are Svartalfheim and Asgard. And because Svartalfheim is being occupied by Asgardian forces they can’t grow their own food either, and are forced to buy it from Asgard. Meaning the only way “Tyr” would have access to vegetables is if he traveled to Asgard.
But how did they not notice this? Mimir being the smartest man alive should definetly see this as suspicious at the very least.
People are talking about how good this twist is, while in reality the writers themselves had to hold back information from the players to not draw suspicion, and also make the characters dumber in order to hide their twist.
i noticed that as well thinking "huh, vikings eating vegetarian?" but brushed that off because i thought that was a stupid assumption to think vikings only eat meat and jerky
@@tamas9554 This is the major problem with the twist. How did Freya or Mimir not know it wasn't Tyr, when they knew his personality already and couldn't work out it was Odin who they also both knew. Kratos and Atreus get a pass because they didn't know much about Tyr or Odin from first hand experience and Freyr wasn't around 'Tyr' for that long.
Mimir is supposed to be the smartest man alive but Brok is the one who figures out Tyr is hiding stuff.
@@ItsAv3rageGamer Yeah, and of course us the players can't know it either
@@ItsAv3rageGamer probably thinking he has changed after torture, don't forget Odin also knew about tyr on somewhat a personal level and also can always ask and find out how he acted
Tyr turning into Odin was epic. I absolutely DID NOT see that coming. What a twist it was! Im so glad that I got to enjoy this game. GOW3 was my All-time-favourite from this series but now I can proudly say that GOWR is the best of all of them. Cant wait for the next one.
You know a twist is fuckin great when you go back and feel SOOO dumb for not seeing it coming but it surprised you all the same. I remember as it unfolded there were times where “Tyr” said things that made u think “hmmm that was odd” but brushed it off because you took it as “eh he probably is just different now because of how badly he was tortured and how recent it was. Well done Santa Monica
Even in the first game. Baldur's dialogues gave the impression that he knew who Kratos were. But we realized he was just tracking a Giant, the dialogues made sense in a different way.
That’s also why Baldur says when he sees Kratos for the first time “I thought you’d be taller”
Going through the story of god of war ragnarok the first time around, it's a surprise to find out that Odin was disguised as Tyr, but looking back at the hints after the story is over, it seemed so obvious that Odin was disguised as Tyr the entire time.
the main clue was how easy they freed him, while it was believed that Tyr will lead the Ragnarok at the time and Odin thought so too
@@chistovmaxim I honestly don't think that how they freed "Tyr" was actually a main clue. Even how "Tyr" referring to Freya as Frigg and talking about Baldur seem like bigger clues.
@@chistovmaxim If anything the big clue with freeing Tyr is that there are raven feathers all over that room.
@@chistovmaxim
Even more so considering the only realm no one could travel to is asgard. Why in hell would tyre be stashed in a dwarvin realm of all places when it makes more sense to imprison him in a realm nobody can go to
@@symbiotezilla12345
The best part about that is, it logically made sense beforehand. We know the realm of the dwarves is subservient to Odin and Asgard, it was spelled out pretty heavily the whole time. So it naturally made sense that Odin would stash an enemy of Asgard in a realm (that was previously also locked and no one could get to), in a realm that is completely loyal to him only.
It still shocks Me that Odin was Tyr in Disguise and Rewatching the Story made so Much Sense Now,also you Forgot to add “Tyr” finding Out that Sindri and Brok stole Odin’s Ring while Tyr is Upset and Odin telling Kratos about Gods Wotship Gods.
It's crazy knowing that Odin was Tyr all along and starting NG+. Rewatching these cutscenes now you can pick up on subtle things that hint at his identity. My first playthrough I had no idea though 😂.
Tyr is also confused when atreus tells him about the unity stone
Could u explain further what ur talking about here?
@@AliZYT @AliZ the first time you take tyr to sindris house you go through the realm between realms. There you can bring him to the ledge where you jump off with the unity stone in the first game to get to the Jotunheim tower. A dialogue triggers "tyr this is where we jumped with unity stone, and it protected us!" Tyr responds "oh yes, so much work to protect the giants. Did it work?"
@@atlas-2260 damnn I didn’t know this and I thought I had seen all dialogue in this game. Seems like I was completely wrong
@@atlas-2260 I'm glad someone finally mentioned this, I haven't seen anyone mention it in "Odin is tyr hints" videos on this bit of dialogue I picked up on it straight away I was like what do you mean "did it work" you helped them escape
Not to forget during the Visions of ragnarok Odin Tyr walks forward to take a closer look only to bump into Atreus on the side where He is missing his eye.
Even Freja and Frejr looked at Kratos with confusion, when Tyr said that he will lead them to Asgard..
He’s also always shown as standing or emerging from the dark/shadows and shown from a low camera angle which makes him appear larger and more intimidating. This is frequently used by filmmakers and creates a contrast between him and the other characters while also creating an unsettling or “off” feeling when he is shown.
Visual Foreshadowing!
to be fair... he was pretty damn large compared to everyone else lol
@@edelleaa My hint was when he was approaching Kratos and Freya talking to each other, he was walking in the shadows with only his eyes lit-up. Really freakin' ominous!
Honestly every time I returned to Sindri's place from doing story or side quests I ALWAYS looked for Tyr just to see what he was up to because I thought he was cool and I could NEVER find him. He never showed up until there was a cutscene and he would just appear mysteriously from off screen. I just assumed he had shut himself in the broom cupboard but it makes sense now that he wasn't actually there because he was off doing Odin stuff, using the raven in the cupboard as a discreet way to travel back and forth
9:03: “and give us a pair of eyes in the enemy’s inter-sanctum”
Orin’s double meaning is crazy
9:05 was when I started getting suspicious, it’s a brilliant line. Having eyes in the enemy sanctum. Seems so innocuous, unless you’ve been paying real close attention. Dialogue in this game is top tier
Theres another two! When Tyr makes his soup, Brok mentions that it has just veggies in it, but veggies would only be available from Asgard since the other realms have such messed up ecosystems, like how the Dwarves had to get food imported from Asgard because of the mining making all the soil infertile. Also he refuses the spear Atreus offers him and calls it a walking stick (Odin is the only one to have a walking stick)
walking sticks aren't that rare you know? it wasn't a hint, he was rejecting the idea of holding a weapon.
I think the Odin uses the spear to make Týr look like a coward who doesn't even consider defending himself
@@ILiekFishes sorry my wording was incorrect, Odin is the only one to use a spear AS a walking stick.
Apostrophe over the y? Do you mean an acute accent mark?
@@ILiekFishes That's what Odin/the devs wanted us to think...
Think about it, it's a clear reference to Odin being Tyr in that scene, like the other guy said, he's the only one/one of the few to use a spear as a walking stick.
Also theres a little moment before you get the spear to kill Heimdall where they admit they stole Draupnir. Sindri is walking out of the little stall and Tyr towers over him and stands his way while saying "*They* stole Draupnir?" Sindri almost bumps into him and sorta looks up at Tyr and he's gazing back with pure anger.
When a stranger feels they have greater authority over your child's decisions, especially when you're a chad like Kratos, that's a red flag.
I had my suspicion when Tyr stabbed Brok then transformed into Odin. But idk I wasn’t too convinced.
Same I just thought he was having a bad day
I don't know if this is just a glitch, but if you have been to the raven tree and go to sindri's house, you can still hear the ravens near "Tyr's" room
i never knew where his room was
Perhaps a glitch - or an implication
this is too specific to be a glitch
really smart hinting
Nah bro its a glitch, i went to musphlheim and the raven tree sounds were there. Usually happens when are in niflheim and go to other realm
It said that Tyr is going to lead the War against Asguard but he never did he was in a Prison for the Entire Game. I believe that instead of it being Tyr the Board was giving a more broad of an answer and instead of it being Tyr it would be a God of War. So Odin tried preventing it but another God of War interjected to continue the Prophecy that being Kraros.
So imagine the shock that Odin hiding in plain sight of Tyr still seeing the Prophecy is the same because he didn't count Kratos being the God of War that would Substitute The Fate.
makes sense like in original series as well, Kratos was a replacement in case of another prophecy.
Or, in my point of view, "Tyr" still led the war. Although he was in prison, the characters were moved by the real Tyr's memory and Odin being discovered as Tyr, because the group attacked following the reveal. Basically, TYR the god never led them, but Odin as Tyr did, and the prophecy never really said he had to be on the battlefield, let alone actually there. It only showed his body.
A god of war that also ended up wielding a spear btw
@@stefvanroey8191 exactly you're right. The God of War is depicted as holding a spear that just further goes to show that when trying to prevent your faith you assist it in the end.
Wait, groa writes prophecies based on her dreams, what if she just saw a God of war will lead the army and thought that Tyr will be the one cause she didn't knew kratos existed?
That was my exact thought I got when Freya told kratos to lead the army
I started questioning Tyr from the start bc he was like I’m all about peace and don’t want no war but encouraging Artreus to follow his prophecy when that leads to war
what really got me was that shock and realization that Odin was always there. In most of the previous games most bad guys don't feel like a big threat cz you know Kratos will wreck anyone in his way but with the question of how Kratos's fate will play out and how Odin was set up really made him feel like an actual God of War villain since Zeus in the second game.
I had a feeling that Tyr wasn't to be trusted not long after rescuing him, around when he says to Freya "So, you're not here to prevent Ragnarok?", but I thought it would be more along the lines of Odin having brainwashed and gaslighted him into trying to prevent Ragnarok at any cost. I did not expect Tyr to actually BE Odin, and I did not expect it to end with Brok's death. That indulgence of my expectations whilst also subverting them was something I was not ready for at all. Hats off to the writers for that one.
I didn't pick up on #6.. wow... That one was so obvious, and I still completely missed it, despite already not trusting Tyr
Was there ever a time that freya had suspicions about Tyr?
Especially after completing her companion quest, and finding out her time with Odin was so miserable for her and their marriage led her people to hate her, it would have been cool if there was a dialogue from freya about Tyr not seeming the same, reminding her of someone, having an uneasy feeling around him, etc.
She had some close contact with Odin, so she should have noticed something.
That would be cool, but I feel like such a line would raise speculation too early. I feel like a different cadence or facial expression in the way she speaks after tyr says something suspicious would work, however. Still make the plot twist feel out of nowhere and unfounded
@@curllumI think she was too blinded by vengeance to see it
Impos-Tyr's dirt soup used vegetables that could only be produced in Asgard during Fimbulwinter. Another hint they dropped on us.
“Impos-tyr” lol love that
@@sierra2502, thank you! Lots of practice with being punny in my field. 😂
after knowing "Tyr"'s true identity it becomes apparent how ominous he always was. something about his eyes, but i sure damn didnt expect it. rip brock
There is another hint, right before the big reveal, when Atreus just gets back from Asgard, "Tyr" shows up late to the fight, Mimir takes notice of this after he asks "Is it over?" which he replies with "Not thanks to you", weird sounds can be heard before "Tyr" opens the door and asks the question, implying Odin teleported right behind the door.
First time I noticed was when he was super curious about what happened when kratos stepped into the light. Reminds me of the story mimir said his curiosity and lust for knowledge overwhelms him
When Tyr was talking about Odin's promise I thought it was just an oversight by the writers because not once was Odin's deal to Kratos discussed with Tyr, and now it all makes sense knowing Odin was Tyr.
Another one is when Brok and Sindri talk about Draupnir, when they say they have it, “Tyr” says,”YOU stole draupnir?!” Why would Tyr care? He says it as if he’s shocked it was THEM who stole it from Odin.
My first clue this wasn't the real Tyr is when he called Freya 'Frigg'.
I always noticed that when they were at home "Tyr" was always in the dark or shadow rather than the light like everyone else.
8:25 his pauses are the same as Odin's. Didn't catch that before.
I can’t believe that I never saw it before. It was right in front of me all along. The biggest foreshadow was the subtitles when “Tyr” first speaks after you break him out.
Whenever he spoke, the subtitles would spell “Tyr”. But when anyone else spoke his name, it would spell “Týr”.
I remember thinking tyr is ruffling too many feathers with his words for someone not wanting to go to war..
There are also three details that could also clue you in on Tyr's true identity. One was when Tyr stood in from on those spears in the Jothun shrine. Then later Odin talks to Kratos and walks over to spears. There's when Tyr called a spear that was offered to him a walking stick. Odin later uses his spear as walking stick. And lastly Brok brings up the fact that Tyr's stew has vegetables in it. While this could just mean Sindr stocked some fruits and vegetables. Asgard is the corner stone for most vegetable and fruit exports as mentioned by Mimir. So it's likely he either just like vegetables or brought them from Asgard. Those are some details i noticed.
How was Odin in Asgard and tyr at the same time
@@Sabrinajeromej They weren't. He had his raven stashed in the broom closet to allow him to travel back to Asgard at any time.
The story was so well written. I shed a tear at the end of the game
Me too!
It was the start that got me😢 lost my doggo few months before and fenrir felt way too real
I've played it twice and both times was serious depressed at the end. End game is hard without Atreus.
@@kajekage9410 I've played it twice and both times i did all side missions too 100%... only game I've ever done it all. Only game I came close to doing 100% fully was batman arkham
@@gerryinkstains9876 The second time I didn't finish all the side stuff because I rushed through the story and once Atreus is gone it just doesn't feel right. My second playthrough was actually a back to back NG+ of both games as I Just wanted to experience the story again. Definitely a sadness once it's all over. If they don't make a sequel to this, which is what they're saying, I think they're nuts. I think Atreus should come back after like 6 months with some giants and they know about the mask and the rift... and the story goes from there and you actually go across multiple pantheons or something. Not to mention find a way to save Brok. Just my desire lol
My favorite hint about him not being the actual Týr is that in every single thing that he is mentioned in, be it writing or someone saying his name, the y has an accent over it, but whenever "Tyr" speaks, in the Speaker's Name, Tyr does not have an accent over the y
Another point, during Groa's prophecy w/ 'Tyr', if look closely, swear you can see a hint of Odins tattoos, especially whilst he's walking past Atreus in the beginning of the video
Oh wow you totally can!
You can !
Also he bumps into Atreus because he’s standing on his blind side so he couldn’t see him..
One of the few things that i caught was the way odin puts his hand on atreus at the beginning there is an emphasis and it is done in the same manner when tyr calls him champion and gives him food at sindris house
Another thing I noticed is that when atreus goes to asguard, Odin says something about kratos having a biased view between mimir and freya. Odin has no way of knowing that freya is with kratos unless he saw her with him.
Another one is when you have subtitles on everyone says his name as "Týr" but Týr's name in the subtitles is just "Tyr"
You forgot a part where while talking to Atreus about the mask, he says, “It has to be more to my story, Ragnorok cannot be the end” despite him supposedly not knowing Ragnorok is where he will die
I also saw that Tyr called Atreus "Loki", like Brok said. Usually Odin calls Atreus "Loki".
1:44 i remember thinking how odd it was that "tyr" was dragging the elf he killed by the foot after being supposedly devastated he murdered it. like "why is he dragging the elf instead of carrying it if hes so upset??" this game is amazing
The biggest hint for me is when you free tyr and he says « what game are you playing with me odin »
I like how Kratos is like "We are not present in this prophecy" because he has no idea the featured god of war with a spear is actually him.
You should make a video of every Old kratos moment, and every time he shows the old self and badassness insert an image of GOW 3 kratos 😂
When disguised Odin is speaking, the subtitles call him "Tyr", when the real deal is speaking the subtitles call him "Týr"
What about the broom closet? Makes us think he's used to be being in a tight dark space but really he's been teleporting.
Kratos was starting to put it together when Tyr knew about his deal with Odin. He kept looking around as if he was thinking. Then Atreus got his attention with Asgard.
Finally finished the game last night. Looking back on all these clips, I cant believe he was RIGHT there the entire time listening to the plans and what the next move would be. My jaw dropped when tyr stabbed Brok. RIP Brok
same, i really needed time out after the reveal 🥲
When Atreus is following Odin around in Asgard he is asking how his father reacted and then says "at least Mimir still has a sense of humor" unintentionally revealing he has been around the whole time.
Try was my favourite. He was so damn kind and seemed to only want to do right. The twist was gut wrenching, especially since he killed Brok, my 2nd favourite.
Damn you’re beta
The reveal really got me. One moment you think you got a plan and the upper hand and the next you realize Odin was one step ahead the entire time. He had us all fooled
On my first playthrough, I didn't pick up on the hints towards a plot twist and when the twist happened, it felt like it didn't pop outta nowhere. That's genuinely a sign of great writing
I love how often "tyr" is framed between Kratos and Arteus, he's always in the picture and always trying to get between these too
1:33 This right here is the biggest hint.
"Glettings Bára!"
The second I saw how he reacted to groas prophecy it was obvious. If tyr really only wanted peace, why would he look devestated that only asgard would be getting destroyed instead of everything?
I just assumed it was his rigid pacifism. I just assumed the death of anyone or anything, even those that caused him pain, was devastating. The twist got me hook line and sinker. I just felt sorry for the 'broken god of war'
Missed one, when Tyr goes to Sindri's house for the first time he ask for a biscuit, this is a thing that Odin does in mith when he visits houses in disguise.
The signs were notably there, including if you played the 2018 game. Mimir spoke highly of Tyr and how courageous he was, and yet "Tyr" in this game was a coward who appeared to how he never wanted to speak ill of Odin. Groa's prophecy upsetting him was the biggest clue, as why would Tyr be devastated that Groa lied and Asgard falls, including when Odin imprisoned and tortured Tyr? The scenes and hints in his character were for me easy to foreshadow.
and tyr calls odin all father.
Interesting note, when discussing the mask Kratos asks "Is it and Oracle?" Tyr looks at Kratos and winks with his right eye before saying "Much, MUCH more", the eye he lost trying to gaze into the source without the mask.
Notice that when "Tyr" is shocked upon learning the prophecy, he's so transfixed that he accidentally bumps into Atreus on his right.
"Why is this notable?"
Remember how Odin is missing an eye and thus has a blindspot? It just so happens to also be his right.
Thanks for posting this. I'm trying to place some clues in my book that involves betrayal and this video has been a great help!
Another little hint was when Atreus offers him a spear to use and “Tyr” thinks it’s a walking stick. Odin used his spear as a walking stick
6:30 When Kratos asks if the mask is an oracle, Odin winks his busted eye when answering “Much much more” 🤯
A few more clues that you didn't mention: Tyr encouraging Atreus going back to Asgard, calling him Loki. Which Smartest Man Brok pointed out, knowing how to go to Asgard. Yeah.
I cant unhear Odins voice in Tyr's now such a great game!
9:03
Nobody really points this out but I really like that Tyr particularly says this tidbit, considering he's doing the exact same thing to them
2:05 That’s such a nice callback. I never noticed the line Atreus says to Odin is the same one he says as Tyr.
Some missed details
1. When Kratos, Atreus and ''Tyr'' see Groa's actual prophecy, ''Tyr'' is so obsessed with it that he bumps into Atreus as he's completely hypnotised.
2. When Garm creates realm tears that allow the Einherjar to seek out Sindri's house, ''Tyr'' comes out to fight after the battle has ended indicating that he couldn't kill his own soldiers and was hoping for them to injure our protagonists badly which would in turn give him an upper hand when Ragnarok inevitably arrives
I feel guilty for killing odin tho I regret it.
why
@@inuenndo_ I think they regret feeling guilty
The dwarf that spits into the river from a bridge when kratos and Atreus first arrive at Svartalfheim is Odin in disguise of a dwarf.
Yea I think the creator of the game revealed this
I feel this is one of gaming's newest plot twists, that a character was actually another wearing a disguise, I can't think of any other singleplayer game that does this, real genius from the writers.
12:53 the tone on kratos voice shows how much he loves atreus and how he doesn't wanna lose him and blah blah blah
I can't believe that Odin teleported himself in place of Tyr. OP spell. I wonder why he didn't do that sooner. Also, where did Tyr go?
Tyr is in another Prison you find him after the main game
@@theredscum4202 that was such a moment. I was like no way this is Tyr again the mind tricks. Did not trust anyone xD
Odin was Tyr the entire game. But after you beat the main story, you can find the real Tyr alive and well still locked in the asgardian prison. I forgot what realm the prison piece was in, maybe svartalfheim
@@overhalledNiflheim. Same region as the Raven Tree. Originally the prison was in Asgard, but after Surtr blew it to smithereens, that prison was thrown all the way to Niflheim
always polite and considerate Tyr, pushes Atreus aside to see Groa's prophecy up close. The pursuit of knowledge was more important than the smallest task of even just one step to the side.
What I like the best is that whenever tyr is mentioned by any characters his name has accents in them. but whenever odins tyr speaks the accent is gone. (Only if you have subtitles on)
I realised that with subtitles on Odin's Týr is just "Tyr" while the actual Týr is "Týr"
There's a very subtle hint with the subtitles is that his name is spelled "Tyr" and not "Týr" This isn't a typo made by the developers as once you freed the REAL Týr his name is actually spelled correctly.
I love how Freyr communicates with Kratos without a word before throwing the mask, they just looking at each other for a while and come up with a plan
You can't forget about how Tyr says "I don't need a walking stick" when Atreus hands him a spear.
I also noticed in general, everytime Tyr appears for the first time in a scene, he always comes out of the shadows. I felt like that was subtle foreshadowing that he has dark intent/is Odin
Jon Ford is the real Goat 🐐
If you pay attention to the subtitles, when people talk about Tyr, his name is spelled with the accent above the Y, however when fake Tyr speaks, the speaker name is spelled without the accent above the Y which is a subtle hint that Tyr is actually Odin. Also, when you rescue the real Tyr in post-game, his speaker name is spelled with the accent above the Y which is a very clever attention of detail from the developers.