I had one as a loaner when my Bagger packed up and i loved it. Really fast bike with superb handling and the Boxer engine made it awesome coming out of the slower corners. Being naked keeps the top speeds down, wizz it up through the gears but soon have to slow it down to more normal speeds due to the wind pressure.I loved it. As a 2nd bike it would be excellent.
Great detailed review, no stupid music, no robotic voice, own a 2016 r1200r, great all around bike, took off the flyscreen for nice clean air, screen causes reflection and noise, hepco Becker c bow luggage, heated grips, cruise control, water and air cooled ,shaft drive ,shift assist, abs, esa, keyless ignition, traction control, rider modes, info modes, GPS prep, over 200 miles per tank, great handling, flickable, comfortable, its not a gold wing, its not a Harley, and its not a Ducati or Padilla, its a boxer motor than can do basically everything well!
Another fine review Mr TMF. I own one of these and I've put 18,000 miles on it in less than a year! in general riding I get over 50mpg on a more sedate touring ride 56-60 mpg is easily attainable which is mighty impressive in my opinion. I've sent you a personal message! cheers tony
Hi I've just bought one of these, upgraded my F700GS! You ask why would so one buy one of these instead of other bikes in the range, for me one of the most important factors was the riding position, I have carpal tunnel, and the position of the bars is great. Then you add in cruise control, lovely engine etc.... 😀Great videos keep them coming!
Great video. I have the 2015 version and still love it. Its just such a simple, reliable, easy bike to own. Highlights for me are the quickshft and cruise control. Also rider comfort.
I've got the 2016 model , they are a great all round bike , I thought after a few months that I wasent over excited by it but the more I think on it - it's just that it does everything at its ease , shaft drive is great too for lack of maintenance & keeping the rear very clean compared to chain & sprockets , gear shift assist eats up the rear tyre a bit quick due to faster acceleration , comfort is a big plus compared to any other bike in its class I think
Yeah I think we tend to forget that these BMWs just do the job well and we mistake that for being boring - in fact they are very good at the job for which they are intended. Thanks for watching - TMF
Hi there. Can you give me an opinion, what do you thinkg about the 2007 R1200R model? I like it's design but I find it very big, i was scared when I first saw one. Is the newer model any smaller? Does it handle better? Any detail would help me make my decision.
That's a Sport specced up to Exclusive. And here is a nice thing. The frame and handle bars and paralever are all the same as the GS so the stuff fits. Mine has GS bark busters to keep the hands out of the breeze and aux lights which really light up the road. Motorways are fine as get to speed, switch on cruise control and off you go, zero stress. Can't wait to try the new Dynamic Pro suspension settings on a 2017 version. The S1000R doesn't have hard luggage and needs Super Unleaded to run according to the handbook. Think lighter faster and little GS and it's about right for this bike. Nice review as always.
I see you've ridden the S1000R and this R1200R. I'm close to purchasing one or the other. Which would you recommend for long-day (or multi day) mountain twisties runs at an aggressive pace? I don't commute.
Nice review, mate! I have a 2015 R1200R and to your point about riding it for hours; I have ridden mine for 10 hours straight and it's an amazing-feeling bike. I was surprised not to see your Nav V in the cradle on this bike too :)
Thanks Gavin - well this was a demo bike and the dealer hadn't fitted the Nav V (I know how that works anyway as it happens ;0) Cheers for stopping by - all the best - TMF
I've just bought the same bike but without ESA, this is my second bike, after doing direct access last year and buying a Crossrunner 800. A quick visit to my local Motorrad dealer and they had a pre reg bike in the showroom fitted with the comfort pack, which I traded up to immediately. Can't believe how easy the bike is to ride, it feels so light and manouverable, much more so than the Honda and really inspires confidence. The engine is peachy smooth and makes it easy to make relaxed progress just using the torque of the engine leaving you free to concentrate on the road and traffic.
citizenpmd56 I currently have a Crossrunner and have a test ride at the end of the month on the R1200R. Paid £10400 for my crossrunner and BMW are offering £6500 for it as trade in 😱
Go for it if the figures work for you. I have no regrets, I loved the Honda but this trumps it easily with monster torque and importantly the suspension, brakes and tyres are way better and make riding a doddle.
citizenpmd56 I did enjoy the test ride. Found it to be punchy in 2nd and 3rd. I loved the low down weight. The cross runner feels heavy fuelled up and the R1200r didn't. It's in for its service this Friday and I am having the Africa Twin DCT for the day. I really like the DCT and this could also be my next bike. I didn't really notice the electronic suspension when I rode the exclusive 1200?
The overtaking poke is immense on the BM , any gear will do !. I never tried the ESA model, I know people who have ridden both and say there's not much of a difference to notice especially for everyday riding. I'm not going back to chain drive any time soon, love the easy to clean shaft drive bike, no more dirty horrible oily chain to clean and lube. Plus, I reckon the BM looks fantastic !
Hi mate, great review. I owned the R 1200 R for 8 months and put 10,000 miles on it during that time. I added an SC Project slip exhaust and it sounded amazing I have to say. Great all around bike but wasn't all that exciting to ride and when the Tuono Factory went on sale at my local Aprilia dealer I couldn't resist making the change. If I could have afforded to own both I would have kept the R 1200 R for sure. I averaged 52-55 mpg and about 225 miles/tank but that was mostly non city riding.
Sleepingdragon 1 I love the Tuono and thinking of trading it in when the 2017 arrives here in April. New Tuono has cruise control, TFT display, quick shift up and down, all things that will make it perfection on 2 wheels!
It's a lovely looking bike. Add a V4 and you've got my attention. The bikes a proper weapon, it ticks alot of boxes for me. It's capable of so much from a Sunday blast to a European tour or even a commute or a trip out to get some milk. The only thing that worries me and I maybe wide of the mark is tank range and high fuel consumption. Apart from those two negatives I'm sold.
Another great review, not sure I'd swap for my Speed Triple though. As you hinted the ST probably has more get up and go. One question, where was the tacho? I'm assuming the dial was speedo but could be wrong (failing eyesight probably!).
Late to this one as well, TMF. I think that behind the Triumph Tiger Sport, this is possibly the best looking bike you've reviewed. BMW certainly did a very harmonious design on this one. Beautiful!
It is weird, although I often think I'm a little bit weirder in that respect than most. I don't like many fully faired bikes for some or other reason, and I really don't like riding bikes with clip-ons and the attendant kilometer wide steering circle. I think the combination of cramped, uncomfortable seating position, the poor low speed handling and the suicidal need for speed on sport bikes makes them a bit useless for me.
I think the R1200R is a massive unsung hero of BMW. You don't see many about but they are a fantastic bike, not as much grunt as some of the naked roadsters but still a great choice.
Great review. I've owned the 2016 R1200R Exclusive for 6 months and put on 11000 Kms and love it. Great for the daily commute, weekends away or even cross country. I test road the 2017 GS last week and have ordered one for my 3 month South Africa tour next year. The GS will handle the rough road conditions with the extra suspension travel and has a little more room for my luggage. I'll be keeping the R for the shorter trips, just love the boxer. Keep up the great reviews, cheers.
Hi mate! Just wanted to thank you for all all your interesting reviews. I own a BMW GS from 2009 and a new Bonneville T 120. I'm very fond of both brands and love the totally different characters of these two 2 cylinder bikes. The BMW R 1200 R Roadster could be an interesting alternative for me in future if one day I want to replace the GS. Enjoying also the nice british landscapes during your tours. Best greetings from Luxembourg - Romain
Hi TMF, Great review as usual, I bought one of these on the back of this review and others, a Feb 2017 bike with all the packs but the previous red framed model with a very clunky gearbox (1400 miles on the clock). Is your GS clunky (sometimes a c,c,c,clunk) from neutral to first and still noisy up to 3rd? Mine sounds embarrassing. When it's cold, neutral to first is silent. Also on start up at any temperature, it rattles for a second or so. Sounds like hydraulic tappets filling, but not nice! Should I just ignore this stuff and put my faith in BMW, and accept it's normal?
Yes my GS is a bit clunky (as you'll hear in my videos) - I think it's all part of the "character"! Don't like the sound of the rattling.....maybe get that looked at?
Spoke to BMW today. The rattling is the cam chain tensioner pressuring up and is perfectly normal, apparently they all do it. They also said it's called a 'crash' gearbox for a reason and the 2017one is much improved. I'll stop worrying and just enjoy the bike. She went in to BMW for a RH front fork oil seal leak and they replaced the whole leg. He said if there were any noise or gearbox issues on the test ride they would have told me. I think they would have liked the warranty work. My first ride was from Bournemouth to Stamford in Lincolnshire (180 miles, unless you get lost like me, 200 miles) and I could have done it again without stopping. What a great bike! I love it! The wind takes all the weight off my wrists and shoulders which makes it really comfortable for me. Mine's doing 56mpg and I don't hang about. I'm looking at the Shad luggage. Any opinions on that? Apparently they make the OEM BMW luggage.
great review. I've got the sc project exhaust on mine and mostly ride in dynamic mode. surprises a lot of people how quick it is and the handling is superb. I've also got the taller sport seat on mine (there are 4 seat options) and that made it much more comfortable for me.
I bought a new F800gs last April. Have to say its a great fun bike, comfortable, superb on fuel and even the tiny screen is bearable. The big problem I have is under breaking. The noise takes a massive dive. Will probably lose a lot of money doing it, but I'm looking to change to one of these 1200r's, or the 1200gs. Don't really ride motorways, even if we go away on a trip. Gonna need to go try both I think. Thanks for the in depth review, appreciate it
Just completed a 60 mile ride on the r12r, having it for a week as a loan bike whilst the GS is in for a service and having some other stuff done. Have to say, very surprised and very impressed. The motor seems smother than the GS, pulls quite strongly, (impressively so from mid range), handles nicely and is really good fun. The surprising aspect is that, once it picked up from 4K or so, it seemed to pull as quickly as the r1r, but had none of the downsides - manic motor, harsh vibes, aching wrists, aching bum. After the r1r it was great to be on this boxer. If I could justify having a second bike just now, this could be it. Much overlooked bike it seems.
You have neglected to mention why this bike is the sleeper int their model range. It takes the RT style hard bags, which converts this bike to a light weight tourer. My top case from my GS also fits easily. With the large screen it has replaced my GS for the hi way. Same electronics and convertebility makes it very much an all-rounder.
Although the R1200RS is better protected by the fairing and windscreen, I prefer the handling of the R1200R and for protection and highway riding I installed a ZTechnik Z2355 VStream windscreen which is superb. Now I have a bike less tiring than the RS on long distance travel at highway speeds with a more up-right posture and lighter and better handling...
Agreed Rui - the R1200R handles in a much more sprightly manner than the RS - I guess it depends what you're after. I for one would have the R for Sunday blasts and the RS for cross-continental touring....Thanks for watching - TMF
@@TheMissendenFlyer Yep, I agree you are costing me a fortune! Just bought one of these & a GL1800! Quick question please Andy, I have the BMW Motorrad Garmin SatNav fitted & wanted to add another switched USB port to the bike to charge a phone. Bought the QLite-Can interface from Nippy Norman then realised you can't use it if you have the satnav fitted! Any ideas?
I have a 2018 r1200r fully optioned out and contemplating trading up to a 2021 r1250 gs adventure low suspension model (my height is 5’7”). I love the r1200r but can’t help to ponder about the GS. I know it’s a huge price difference between the two. If you had to have one bike, which one would it be among the two mentioned? I wish I could have more than one.
Another good review and just letting you know that your channel was the first placed I searched as I am thinking about purchasing one when I upgrade one of my bikes very soon.I have never owned a beamer or a shaft driven motorcycle so it will be a new experience for me mind you I will still have two chain driven motorcycles and a belt driven one .Cheers Chips.
I brought this bike - great engine with Akra and sports seat - so lovely - for my 32.5 inseam - so practical and 0-100 and 1/4 mile times competes with all bikes including speed triple! - so it’s amazing - but it’s speciality is that it can cruise alone - or push it around in the bends quick - a good rider will keep up with the best on team streets . I love 3rd gear.....do it all!
Thanks very much. Good review. I own a GS like yours, an RT and a XR. Used to own an S1000R and I have ridden a RS quite a bit. I have never ridden the R, and have really wanted to, hence my interest in the review. A lighter and lower version of the GS, with narrower bars would make a fantastic all rounder/commuter. The Akro sounds good as well. The only downside it the ugly front. Thanks again. Rgds Glenn PS - I have lots of time in Trinidads and Tobagoes as well.
another cool review and bike, my type of bike. I'm too old to need that super sonic acceleration and speed and I avoid motorways wherever possible. I came over to Canada a year ago for 3-5 years and miss those nice windy roads and the fact you can take the bike out between Nov and March.
Thanks or the kind words - I was out on my bike for five hours yesterday in close to freezing temperatures....believe me it's not something I would choose to do!!! :0) Roll on spring eh!?
It's my time to renew my bike, so the only models on the market today that I really like is the 2017 XJR1300 and the R1200R the only thing that stops me from the BMW is price and costs in maintenance, the reliability that everyone talks about the Bavarian electronic failures on its vehicles, and of course the options that you have to add to it which increase its price. But is a lovely bike, love the design and looks, the XJR is also another diamond roadster to be taken in consideration, any feedback you can share ??
Well I've not ridden the XJR so I can't really comment - if it were me chosing between the two I'd be very keen to ride both, on looks alone the XJR would win for me (both great bikes I'm sure though)....
Love your reviews!. So - how will the R do as a sport touring bike? I have a WC GS and frankly I am getting tired of tall bikes. The RS is not currently available in my area so I am considering the R. By adding the side panniers and a windscreen, would the bike do well on long days? Thanks!
Thanks for this review! I was hoping you would ride the R1200R, since I just bought one 2 months ago. I debated about the GS, but since I live in Florida, it's just too blasted hot most of the year to have a faired bike as your only M/C. Close call, though. Thanks again!
Talk about serendipity TMF! I've been trawling UA-cam for the past couple of days for R1200R reviews as I've just ordered one without a test ride (no available demo at my local BMW dealer... only got to try the RS) and then you gift me with one of your splendid reviews... much obliged TMF, much obliged. BTW, was that a highly specced up Sport or a lightly specced Exclusive? I went the Exclusive route as the touring add-ons are more important to me.
Hi Onyeka - glad my timing worked for you and hope you like the bike, it does feel quite different to the RS I thought (more nimble) - nice bit of kit all the same - as all the BMW boxers are IMO. I don't honestly know which variant this was, I suspect it was an Exclusive as dealers usually tend yo have top of the range models as demo's.....enjoy your new bike! All the best - TMF
Hello ! First of all , nice review , really enjoyed the whole vid! The design on this bike is absolutely stunning! I'm up for a new bike in the next year and I'm thinking of bying a monster 821/ r1200r / street or speed triple . Do you have any suggestions ? Pros/cons between them? Mostly want the bike for work (in town riding) plus a few trips on the weekends! Thanks in advance!
when you are coming into Cookham from Maidenhead there is a road on your right called Mill Lane right before the fork in Cookham that leads to the Thames. A few nice places down there to do your walk arounds. The green lanes around that area are some of my favorite memories of England for trail running.
Really, Green Lanes??? I need to check those out...I have a feeling they aren't there anymore but I will check....thanks for the intel WestOrange MC - where are you living now out of interest??
Personally like the idea of this bike, it's just nice to ride. Monsters like Super Duke, MT-10, S1000R can be intimidating yet this machine has enough go yet friendly pet. In love with boxer power plant, happy '07 GS owner
As you know this is my bike! (Red and white sport.) I agree, a good all-rounder. My GS was a better tourer, but I always found the better protection meant I went (too) fast. On this one I tend to stick to 70 as more comfortable. You can change the display - go into "style" and you have a choice of 3. Nicely done yet again sir. Regards, Jon.
Great review. your bike collection is magnificent and something to aspire for. Btw loving the passenger seat on the naked bmw..would like to see passenger seats on Monsters too.
Thanks for the review TMF. Like the shaft drive, bullet proof engine, she's a bit bulky perhaps for a fun naked. Styling wise, as always with BMW is very Marmite they arent always the most attractive bikes, unlike Italian bikes for example. Not quite sure what that bike is best put to use at. The s1000r would get my money over that I think. Ive ridden the Speed and the s1000r has the Triumph licked. Having ridden it what application is it best suited to TMF? All rounder, tourer? Obviously anyone who buys one would be happy, after personal preference it's still a quality product. Ride safe must be a bit chilly.
+Sleepingdragon 1 Yeah I'm with you on that - to my mind this is a great all rounder or commuter....usual BMW quality, as you say any owner wouldn't be disappointed....
Great stuff TMF, I've always dismissed the 1200r in the past as pre 2016 the looks were so bland... Might give it a try as a loan bike next time my GS is in for a service. Keep up the good work!
I have the same bike\year fully loaded and it puts my other 18 GSXS to shame in all aspects of riding. The GSXs is faster WOT and that's about it. I've see no reason to trade up to the 1250 either. The bike is so confidence inspiring until the electronics are turned off that is. It then slips and slides with frequent front wheel action and one needs to be focused. After 45k it remains my favourite ride.
Nice review TheMissendenFlyer , well structured thx - I rode the R12R nearly 10 years ago and at the time I though "wow.. almost perfect" - since then I got into touring riding with the dual adv bikes.. I wonder what I'd happen if I rode this one again... drop my Caponord Rally? who knows..
Another great review TMF. Thanks! Pleasantly surprised by the small change to your normal somewhat patronising sounding catch phrase. ;) Anyway, quick question, do you find the navigation wheel gets in the way of using the indicators, or do you just get used to it?
You just get used to it - can I refer you to this video ua-cam.com/video/6Jc4mEwF7jU/v-deo.html for the latest thoughts on my patronising catch phrase? Cheers - TMF
Already watched it! ;-) I really am a big fan. Even watched some of your plane vlogs. Very impressive skills! Unfortunately I still hate "hi kids", much prefer the catch phrase, "hi folks". It's my problem I know... The only way I've managed to get used to it, is that I imagine you have kids, and you're making a video for them, and I'm lucky enough to get to watch it too... Thanks for taking the time to read and reply to my comment. Looking forward to your next vid, all bar the first few seconds. ;-)
Thinking of one of these to replace my Suzuki GSXS1000. Just trying to figure out if the extra cost of the electronic suspension is worth it as I ride solo and usually spend a while to configure the best settings.
Really tossing up between this bike and the RS version. I like the protection offered by the fairing, and note your comments about its requirement for more man handling into bends. Sounds like the front end geometry is quite different between the two models. Thank you for a great review, as usual touching on all the pertinent points. Cheers from Down Under.
the r1200r is a really fun and not fully appreciated bike! it is pricey relative to its competition though such as the speed or street triple which also are fun roadsters. the rs has a longer wheelbase and different rake and trail i believe which is why it felt much more reluctant to change direction in my experience test riding these two bikes. i do prefer the look and fairing protection of the rs i only wish it had the chassis? of the r1200r and then maybe the rs would be perfect :)
Yes agreed - I was surprised just how different the handling characteristics of the tow machines are (given the similarities between them)....thanks for watching - TMF
I've done 16,000 miles on my 2015 1200R, including tours around Germany, down to Austria and Italy as well as Spain and Portugal. I think it's a great bike (previously did 18k on a K1600GT and still have an old R1100RT so my first naked since 1977!) and I much prefer it to any of the BMW fours. I've had both an S1000R and an XR loan bike whilst mine's been in for service and they are very buzzy and although great for a Sunday blast I find them very "busy" and quite annoying on longer runs. The R is a very easy bike to live with and I think the most fun of the boxer range.
I have one in pretty much identical spec and love it. Would you consider it a suitable first bike for a 50-something that had just passed their direct access test (on the third or fourth attempt)?
Personally no, I think this is a bit too performant for a new rider (regardless of age) - My advice to him/her would be to go for a 600cc for six months to learn his/her craft then go for one of these (so get a second hand 600....)....
Again an excellent review tested one of these at the weekend and fell in love with it, which I didn't think I would, I had been looking at Tracer GT and the Tiger XRT (current have a tiger XRT the old one). So add a few modes and I think I might ( for me ) have found my perfect bike. I guess in a few years I will have to grow up to the GS, we will see.
@@TheMissendenFlyer 6 months on and this bike is fantastic, all the weight is at the bottom making it so easy to get through traffic, it comfortable quick enough for me and it handles like it's on rails. I can't believe I turned my nose up at the boxer engine for so long. I had up until the 1200r had been changing my bike about every two years or so I don't think I will be letting this one go anytime soon, it would have to be a bloody good bike to get me to swop
another great review you ar always fair.i noticed on the r1200r there is no mud or rain deflector . like on gs.is that an option or even needed? none on rs either? keep up the awsome reviews! !!
Fascinating to watch your review or the R1200R and compare it to my test ride last Friday on the new r1250R... Have you tested this amazing bike yet? Looking forward to your review in due course... I wonder if you will be as excitable as me! Cheers...
@@TheMissendenFlyer Sounds good... What gets me is why it feels so much faster than the NEW R1250GS, yet it's weight is only 10kg less... see what you think next week, some sort of wizardry going on, looking forward to comparing notes once you post your review. Cheers
Have you ever ridden any of the KTM's? Ive got the superduke GT and would love to watch you review this beast. Loving the videos keep them coming. Cheers
I owned the olded aircooled version, the best boxer to put on a trailer behind a car, drive to the Alps or Pyrenees. Unfortunately, no mountains in Amsterdam, for long distance travelling and then going for mountain riding, nothing beats the trusted GS (although I did 1200km a day easily). Tip: The higher seat makes it less up-right and a bit more sporty ride.
Yep, like the nineT (Roadster, not the Scrambler), beautiful bike. The arguably most beautiful aircooled would be the HP2 Sport. But after owning a Lc GS and the GsA, the LC engine is definitely a smoother engine, with (only) 15 ponies more. Wish they could make one with 150+ hp, because the KTM's and Ducs are more exciting to ride. When is the review of these bikes coming TMF?
Oooh, well I've not ridden the new Street 765 yet of course, but based on the old Street Triple (which I currently own) - the Street Triple every time based on performance, handling, lightness of weight, sound, looks and Britishness....but I am biased of course.....quite different machines, the BMW is more of a lazy all rounder, the Street Triple is like an eager sports bike in comparison.
Thanks for this. I have been very tempted by it and your review concurs with my thoughts. Any chance of a short review comparing your views of all the BMW bikes and ranking them? I think we all know the obvious winner but still interesting nonetheless!
Great bike review...as usual. You should try to get a hold of an R1200GS . Since I also have a 2014 model, I'd be interested in hearing your comment's on the 2017 model. It has all of the upgrades that you have mentioned regarding all of the other R1200's. Unfortunately I can't take a test drive myself....I'm in Northern Ontario in Canada....8 feet of snow on my front lawn. No biking for me until late April . Cheers Rick
I really dislike the look of that screen, as though it's just been taped on. I like the front end of the s1000rs, but I hate the split lights. I don't know why manufacturers keep splitting headlights, it just looks rubbish when only one of them is on. I'd love to see something between them, with a bit more fairing on the front than this, but with this one's light and the engine too - got to love the boxer. Lovely noise, particularly with the quickshifter when shifting up.
I'm completely with you on the split light thing Matt - if you must have two then go the Yamaha/Triumph route and at least make them symmetrical (and please make sure they both come on all the time rather than just one!)....
Hi TMF Thank you for your honest review. I'm pleased you tried this model because I own one and having tried all the other bikes in the BMW range found it to be one of the best real World bikes they offer. I believe the main reason why the bike seems bland is the standard exhaust. Fitting the Akrapovic, minus the baffle, combined with the Dynamic performance mode, cured that and never failed to put a smile on my face! This bike provides more than enough performance for safe quick overtakes and the semi-automatic suspension keeps the ride stable and comfortable. I have used it for Sunday morning blasts on A and B roads, 80 mile commuting and not once have I ever been bored with it. The running costs are reasonable with typically late 50mpg helping. Having previously owned a number of BMW GS Adventure bikes, mainly for their road presence, I decided to improve the road presence of the R1200R LC and fitted the BMW LEDs to Krauser engine protection bars. This made a big difference as I found cars waited for me at junctions and moved over on the motorway to let me through. In short, after nearly a year, it is a hard bike to replace!
Thanks for your feedback Guy - glad you're getting on well with the bike...it's great when you know you've found the "right one" isn't it (I'm a bit like that with my GS)....cheers for watching and for stopping by - all the best - TMF
In this lockdown period I have re-watched this a couple of times - I'd like to downsize from my Caponord and this R has always been in my mind...BUT I'm not sure about weight and comfort.. however this engine is ace!! cheerio
I have the 2015 lc model and must say that the roadster is a great all-rounder. This may put some people off saying the bike is uninspiring ; it is not a beast and not meant to be, but it will certainly put a smile on your face when you turn the throttle up or ride the twisties. True, it is not a light-weight naked but a roadster. Despite the weight it handles remarkably well. I am 5ˋ8 and feel very comfortable,however, if you are tall , you may feel cramped. Wish the community well through this crisis and ,of course, thank you tony for your time and effort for another great video. Big fan .
Hello sir! I’m in a big dilemma... I used to own a r ninet classic model, now I’m looking for another bike( I find the r nine t to hard on suspensions) I’m mostly commuting in the city and I’m planning to do some tour around Europe, but I can not decide btw this and the super duke r 17-18 model, or any other bike you advice me? I can about the look of the bike and the performance, but I’m also concerned about the power of the super duke if I can commute and sometimes with passenger! Thank you very much and all the best!!! 👍
Ok looking bike I got the impression it didn't set your soul alight ha! You rode both the S1000r and rr? How have I missed that! do you have the reviews on your channel?
You're right - it's not a bike I personally would rush out and own, but then I'm very happy wit the bikes I do have for the purposes for which I bought them. I haven't ridden the RR (yet) and did ride the S1000R a year or two back - no video though as my camera failed! Great bike though....just those darned squinty lights again!
TheMissendenFlyer ha yes it is an acquired taste, I actually like its jekyll and hyde face, think it reflects the bike's persona. If you don't mind and can stretch your memory back was there any stand out pro and cons from your test ride of the S1000r?
Nothing not to like (except the squint) - smooooth, comfy, fast, very nice all round if you can get on with the looks...in fact may be a bit too good (in a clinical soul-less sort of way if that makes sense)....that's what I recall anyway....that and the effin camera not working...
When you (and maybe some YT commenters here) say the bike is not as hairy as the Triumph, or not too exciting, do you mean the top speed of the R 1200 R isn't as high as for those bikes? Or that the torque is less, and/or comes at much lower revs on the R 1200 R, so you get hit with that surge of power when you're going slower on the R 12000R than the competitors? Or some other thing? I'm not contesting your point, just not sure I follow.
...never been to Pennsylvania even though I live 2 miles from where Sir William Penn lived! ....and the local village of "Penn" is named after him....even has a pub made with the same timbers as the Mayflower!! Useless fact for you.... ;0)
Not useless at all, that's quite interesting in fact! The state capitol building in Harrisburg (which is the city where I work) is the most ornate in the country compared to the other 49, and is loaded with beautiful artwork and design. His "holy experiment" quote is engraved in the rotunda ceiling. It truly is a magnificent building. I'd love to visit that pub! I've not been to the UK yet, went to Rome for two weeks for work which wasn't too awful. ;) Need to make another trip across the puddle. Best!
Thanks for the review! How would you compare it to the R Nine T? Which one do you prefer and why? I personally love the looks of the R9T but the R1200R seems to be a better value for the money with stuff like dynamic ESA, riding modes, ABS Pro, quickshifter, more power|torque, etc...
I've been watching quite a few reviews on the various models of Boxer BMW's and amongst all the facts and figures, such as BHP an Torque we get seat height and weight which, especially as a shorter rider, is very important. It then occurred to me that what would be really helpful would be a measurement for centre of gravity. The weight is just one aspect but I would suggest the centre of gravity is at least as, if not, more important. I appreciate some reviewers bother to mention it, but a figure might help. Anyway, not a complaint regarding your reviews, just wanted to get it off my chest.
Another great review thank you. I am aware someone has asked you to test ride an f800 GS, which would be good to see. I appreciate the time it takes but if you could, would you do a test on the f800 GT as well as I am considering both of these machines. Many thanks.
Hehe, I love how you guys assume I can just go and ride any bike - I'd love too!! If I can I'll do the reviews, but at the moment I don't have access to those machines alas - stay tuned though 'cos you never know! Thanks for watching, all the best - TMF
Thanks Stu - to be fair the local dealer does let me ride and review the bikes, but they don't always have demos for all the range available....the F800's being cases in point. I will mention it to them when next we speak and maybe there's something I can do in future....cheers again for your kind words - TMF
very cool video, I was just wonderin' if you could review the 2017 F800 Gs Adventure for me I'm so confused if it's the right bike for me cause I'm a new rider, thanks.in advance.
Hi, great review, well done! Is it right that GB is biker`s heaven because of a much better acceptance, consideration and better traffic regulations especially for bikers?
....err, not sure where you heard that, I would say not right! Bikers are not really seen in a positive light here and the authorities don't make any special arrangements for them....bicycle's and cars get all the help here - motorcycles just have to get on with it in their world....
that`s what I`ve heard from bikers visiting GB or read in forums - but reading your response it seems to be similar nearly everywhere - enjoy your riding :)
I think that is one extremely excellent motorcycle! I suspect I would prefer the RS version because I like fairings and a more forward riding position. I'm not going to test ride them because I can't afford it right now. I love boxer BMWs. Lovely low CoG with such user friendly power. They make such great all-round bikes as you say. Not as powerful as a good multi like the speed triple, but plenty enough power as far as I am concerned. Robert Pirsig rode a BMW in his book "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance". That is recommendation enough for me :)
I agree with you on the Boxer Brighton dude, so much to be said for low COG if you can't have "really light" instead.....and as you say, 125hp isn't too shabby......
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I had one as a loaner when my Bagger packed up and i loved it. Really fast bike with superb handling and the Boxer engine made it awesome coming out of the slower corners. Being naked keeps the top speeds down, wizz it up through the gears but soon have to slow it down to more normal speeds due to the wind pressure.I loved it. As a 2nd bike it would be excellent.
Great detailed review, no stupid music, no robotic voice, own a 2016 r1200r, great all around bike, took off the flyscreen for nice clean air, screen causes reflection and noise, hepco Becker c bow luggage, heated grips, cruise control, water and air cooled ,shaft drive ,shift assist, abs, esa, keyless ignition, traction control, rider modes, info modes, GPS prep, over 200 miles per tank, great handling, flickable, comfortable, its not a gold wing, its not a Harley, and its not a Ducati or Padilla, its a boxer motor than can do basically everything well!
Thanks for watching and for stopping by! All the best - TMF
Nice post, I am now the proud owner of the R1150r 80th anniversary No 1217 of 2003 and I love it....
Great 👍
Another fine review Mr TMF.
I own one of these and I've put 18,000 miles on it in less than a year!
in general riding I get over 50mpg on a more sedate touring ride 56-60 mpg is easily attainable which is mighty impressive in my opinion.
I've sent you a personal message!
cheers
tony
Hi I've just bought one of these, upgraded my F700GS! You ask why would so one buy one of these instead of other bikes in the range, for me one of the most important factors was the riding position, I have carpal tunnel, and the position of the bars is great. Then you add in cruise control, lovely engine etc.... 😀Great videos keep them coming!
Fair point nobbs67 - thanks for watching and congratulations on the new bike...all the best - TMF
Great video. I have the 2015 version and still love it. Its just such a simple, reliable, easy bike to own. Highlights for me are the quickshft and cruise control. Also rider comfort.
Yes the quickshift works a treat on the R doesn't it...great fun. Thanks for watching and for the kind words - TMF
I've got the 2016 model , they are a great all round bike , I thought after a few months that I wasent over excited by it but the more I think on it - it's just that it does everything at its ease , shaft drive is great too for lack of maintenance & keeping the rear very clean compared to chain & sprockets , gear shift assist eats up the rear tyre a bit quick due to faster acceleration , comfort is a big plus compared to any other bike in its class I think
Yeah I think we tend to forget that these BMWs just do the job well and we mistake that for being boring - in fact they are very good at the job for which they are intended. Thanks for watching - TMF
I haven't owned a BMW for 20 years or more, i'd love one of these. Great review, bloody narrow roads in the UK though!
Hi there. Can you give me an opinion, what do you thinkg about the 2007 R1200R model? I like it's design but I find it very big, i was scared when I first saw one. Is the newer model any smaller? Does it handle better? Any detail would help me make my decision.
Newer model definitely is better….
Marlow is a splendid little town, nice scenery!
Marlow is lovely too ;0)
this is one of the best review i have seen in my life, brilliant! thanks for all of these details.
Thank you very much!
That's a Sport specced up to Exclusive. And here is a nice thing. The frame and handle bars and paralever are all the same as the GS so the stuff fits. Mine has GS bark busters to keep the hands out of the breeze and aux lights which really light up the road. Motorways are fine as get to speed, switch on cruise control and off you go, zero stress. Can't wait to try the new Dynamic Pro suspension settings on a 2017 version. The S1000R doesn't have hard luggage and needs Super Unleaded to run according to the handbook. Think lighter faster and little GS and it's about right for this bike. Nice review as always.
Thanks for the insight TheCcponyboy...and I agree with your conclusion. Thanks for watching and for stopping by - TMF
I see you've ridden the S1000R and this R1200R. I'm close to purchasing one or the other. Which would you recommend for long-day (or multi day) mountain twisties runs at an aggressive pace? I don't commute.
You can't go wrong with either!
@@TheMissendenFlyer thanks! Seemed you felt the r1200r was a bit boring
@@Longpath1050 - i'd miss the no rear wheel mudguard
Nice review, mate! I have a 2015 R1200R and to your point about riding it for hours; I have ridden mine for 10 hours straight and it's an amazing-feeling bike. I was surprised not to see your Nav V in the cradle on this bike too :)
Thanks Gavin - well this was a demo bike and the dealer hadn't fitted the Nav V (I know how that works anyway as it happens ;0) Cheers for stopping by - all the best - TMF
I've just bought the same bike but without ESA, this is my second bike, after doing direct access last year and buying a Crossrunner 800. A quick visit to my local Motorrad dealer and they had a pre reg bike in the showroom fitted with the comfort pack, which I traded up to immediately. Can't believe how easy the bike is to ride, it feels so light and manouverable, much more so than the Honda and really inspires confidence.
The engine is peachy smooth and makes it easy to make relaxed progress just using the torque of the engine leaving you free to concentrate on the road and traffic.
citizenpmd56 I currently have a Crossrunner and have a test ride at the end of the month on the R1200R. Paid £10400 for my crossrunner and BMW are offering £6500 for it as trade in 😱
Go for it if the figures work for you. I have no regrets, I loved the Honda but this trumps it easily with monster torque and importantly the suspension, brakes and tyres are way better and make riding a doddle.
citizenpmd56 I did enjoy the test ride. Found it to be punchy in 2nd and 3rd. I loved the low down weight. The cross runner feels heavy fuelled up and the R1200r didn't. It's in for its service this Friday and I am having the Africa Twin DCT for the day. I really like the DCT and this could also be my next bike. I didn't really notice the electronic suspension when I rode the exclusive 1200?
The overtaking poke is immense on the BM , any gear will do !. I never tried the ESA model, I know people who have ridden both and say there's not much of a difference to notice especially for everyday riding. I'm not going back to chain drive any time soon, love the easy to clean shaft drive bike, no more dirty horrible oily chain to clean and lube. Plus, I reckon the BM looks fantastic !
It does look fantastic in that Cordoba blue :)
can you remove the db killer form that exhaust ?
+pietro ramiti I don't honestly know Pietro, sorry about that....
dont worry ,,, love that bike.... hows the torq ? top speed ?
Hi mate, great review. I owned the R 1200 R for 8 months and put 10,000 miles on it during that time. I added an SC Project slip exhaust and it sounded amazing I have to say. Great all around bike but wasn't all that exciting to ride and when the Tuono Factory went on sale at my local Aprilia dealer I couldn't resist making the change. If I could have afforded to own both I would have kept the R 1200 R for sure. I averaged 52-55 mpg and about 225 miles/tank but that was mostly non city riding.
Nice one Pete - and I'm 100% with you on the "great all rounder but not that exciting" summary....
PistolPete63 Do ya like your Tuono Pete? I'm looking at ownership closely.
Sleepingdragon 1 I love the Tuono and thinking of trading it in when the 2017 arrives here in April. New Tuono has cruise control, TFT display, quick shift up and down, all things that will make it perfection on 2 wheels!
It's a lovely looking bike. Add a V4 and you've got my attention.
The bikes a proper weapon, it ticks alot of boxes for me. It's capable of so much from a Sunday blast to a European tour or even a commute or a trip out to get some milk. The only thing that worries me and I maybe wide of the mark is tank range and high fuel consumption. Apart from those two negatives I'm sold.
Another great review, not sure I'd swap for my Speed Triple though. As you hinted the ST probably has more get up and go. One question, where was the tacho? I'm assuming the dial was speedo but could be wrong (failing eyesight probably!).
Late to this one as well, TMF. I think that behind the Triumph Tiger Sport, this is possibly the best looking bike you've reviewed. BMW certainly did a very harmonious design on this one. Beautiful!
Funny how people’s taste vary isn’t it - give me a panigale to look at any day!
It is weird, although I often think I'm a little bit weirder in that respect than most. I don't like many fully faired bikes for some or other reason, and I really don't like riding bikes with clip-ons and the attendant kilometer wide steering circle. I think the combination of cramped, uncomfortable seating position, the poor low speed handling and the suicidal need for speed on sport bikes makes them a bit useless for me.
It looks so comfortable and capable for a wide range of riding circumstances. I would love one if I had the money 💵
You always have the best reviews. Would like to know which one do you preferred and why. The R1200R or the R1200RS? Thanks.
I prefer the RS - just on looks grounds.....
I think the R1200R is a massive unsung hero of BMW. You don't see many about but they are a fantastic bike, not as much grunt as some of the naked roadsters but still a great choice.
birdoneword acceleration is 0-60 in 2.8" so up there with the quickest.
Yeah, I guess it's just not that glamorous or doesn't have a stand-out headline to make everyone focus on it...certainly slipped under my radar....
Bobby Fett I meant horse power, both the Ducati monster and speed triple have more.
Great review. I've owned the 2016 R1200R Exclusive for 6 months and put on 11000 Kms and love it. Great for the daily commute, weekends away or even cross country.
I test road the 2017 GS last week and have ordered one for my 3 month South Africa tour next year. The GS will handle the rough road conditions with the extra suspension travel and has a little more room for my luggage.
I'll be keeping the R for the shorter trips, just love the boxer. Keep up the great reviews, cheers.
Thank you Trev, sounds like a great trip next year.....enjoy the GS (another fabulous boxer based machine!)
nice flex
Hi mate! Just wanted to thank you for all all your interesting reviews. I own a BMW GS from 2009 and a new Bonneville T 120. I'm very fond of both brands and love the totally different characters of these two 2 cylinder bikes. The BMW R 1200 R Roadster could be an interesting alternative for me in future if one day I want to replace the GS. Enjoying also the nice british landscapes during your tours. Best greetings from Luxembourg - Romain
Thank you for your kind words Romain, good to know you're out there!
How is this bike on the motorway? Does it feel exposed with the lack of wind protection?
Fine up to 70mph - any faster and you have to really hang on (the same with any naked bike)....
Hi TMF, Great review as usual, I bought one of these on the back of this review and others, a Feb 2017 bike with all the packs but the previous red framed model with a very clunky gearbox (1400 miles on the clock). Is your GS clunky (sometimes a c,c,c,clunk) from neutral to first and still noisy up to 3rd? Mine sounds embarrassing. When it's cold, neutral to first is silent. Also on start up at any temperature, it rattles for a second or so. Sounds like hydraulic tappets filling, but not nice! Should I just ignore this stuff and put my faith in BMW, and accept it's normal?
Yes my GS is a bit clunky (as you'll hear in my videos) - I think it's all part of the "character"! Don't like the sound of the rattling.....maybe get that looked at?
Spoke to BMW today. The rattling is the cam chain tensioner pressuring up and is perfectly normal, apparently they all do it. They also said it's called a 'crash' gearbox for a reason and the 2017one is much improved. I'll stop worrying and just enjoy the bike. She went in to BMW for a RH front fork oil seal leak and they replaced the whole leg. He said if there were any noise or gearbox issues on the test ride they would have told me. I think they would have liked the warranty work.
My first ride was from Bournemouth to Stamford in Lincolnshire (180 miles, unless you get lost like me, 200 miles) and I could have done it again without stopping. What a great bike! I love it! The wind takes all the weight off my wrists and shoulders which makes it really comfortable for me. Mine's doing 56mpg and I don't hang about. I'm looking at the Shad luggage. Any opinions on that? Apparently they make the OEM BMW luggage.
great review. I've got the sc project exhaust on mine and mostly ride in dynamic mode. surprises a lot of people how quick it is and the handling is superb. I've also got the taller sport seat on mine (there are 4 seat options) and that made it much more comfortable for me.
Nice one Mark - this is definitely the sprightliest of all the boxer BMW's I've ridden....nice machine...thanks for watching - TMF
I bought a new F800gs last April. Have to say its a great fun bike, comfortable, superb on fuel and even the tiny screen is bearable. The big problem I have is under breaking. The noise takes a massive dive. Will probably lose a lot of money doing it, but I'm looking to change to one of these 1200r's, or the 1200gs. Don't really ride motorways, even if we go away on a trip. Gonna need to go try both I think. Thanks for the in depth review, appreciate it
Apologies for the predictive text mistakes. Wrote that on my phone
Just completed a 60 mile ride on the r12r, having it for a week as a loan bike whilst the GS is in for a service and having some other stuff done. Have to say, very surprised and very impressed. The motor seems smother than the GS, pulls quite strongly, (impressively so from mid range), handles nicely and is really good fun. The surprising aspect is that, once it picked up from 4K or so, it seemed to pull as quickly as the r1r, but had none of the downsides - manic motor, harsh vibes, aching wrists, aching bum. After the r1r it was great to be on this boxer. If I could justify having a second bike just now, this could be it. Much overlooked bike it seems.
+samsara Nice one! Thanks for watching and for stopping by - all the best- TMF
You have neglected to mention why this bike is the sleeper int their model range. It takes the RT style hard bags, which converts this bike to a light weight tourer. My top case from my GS also fits easily. With the large screen it has replaced my GS for the hi way. Same electronics and convertebility makes it very much an all-rounder.
+Joe Maracic Nice one Joe - cheers....
Although the R1200RS is better protected by the fairing and windscreen, I prefer the handling of the R1200R and for protection and highway riding I installed a ZTechnik Z2355 VStream windscreen which is superb. Now I have a bike less tiring than the RS on long distance travel at highway speeds with a more up-right posture and lighter and better handling...
Agreed Rui - the R1200R handles in a much more sprightly manner than the RS - I guess it depends what you're after. I for one would have the R for Sunday blasts and the RS for cross-continental touring....Thanks for watching - TMF
@themissendenflyer what software do you use to edit your videos if you don't mind me asking?
I use PowerDirector on the PC (it's not very good)....
Why is it that anytime you do a bike review I end up on the manufactures website looking at it.
As long as it's only that and not at the dealers with your wallet open!
I already have my eye on the R 1200 RT and the K 1600 GT/L. Just no funds to buy anything.
Me,too! LOL
Hoping to get one of these next year.
Me too!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Yep, I agree you are costing me a fortune! Just bought one of these & a GL1800! Quick question please Andy, I have the BMW Motorrad Garmin SatNav fitted & wanted to add another switched USB port to the bike to charge a phone. Bought the QLite-Can interface from Nippy Norman then realised you can't use it if you have the satnav fitted! Any ideas?
Just got myself a 2006 one... what a machine!
Congratulations Duncan and enjoy!
I have a 2018 r1200r fully optioned out and contemplating trading up to a 2021 r1250 gs adventure low suspension model (my height is 5’7”). I love the r1200r but can’t help to ponder about the GS. I know it’s a huge price difference between the two. If you had to have one bike, which one would it be among the two mentioned? I wish I could have more than one.
Thanks for the great video review. Did you find the bike to be a bit buzzy when pushing the rev range?
No, can't say that I did....
Another good review and just letting you know that your channel was the first placed I searched as I am thinking about purchasing one when I upgrade one of my bikes very soon.I have never owned a beamer or a shaft driven motorcycle so it will be a new experience for me mind you I will still have two chain driven motorcycles and a belt driven one .Cheers Chips.
Thanks for watching and stopping by chips, appreciate the kind comments - good luck in the search for your new bike, all the best TMF
I brought this bike - great engine with Akra and sports seat - so lovely - for my 32.5 inseam - so practical and 0-100 and 1/4 mile times competes with all bikes including speed triple! - so it’s amazing - but it’s speciality is that it can cruise alone - or push it around in the bends quick - a good rider will keep up with the best on team streets . I love 3rd gear.....do it all!
Thanks for watching and for stopping by! All the best - TMF
Thanks very much. Good review.
I own a GS like yours, an RT and a XR. Used to own an S1000R and I have ridden a RS quite a bit. I have never ridden the R, and have really wanted to, hence my interest in the review. A lighter and lower version of the GS, with narrower bars would make a fantastic all rounder/commuter. The Akro sounds good as well.
The only downside it the ugly front.
Thanks again.
Rgds
Glenn
PS - I have lots of time in Trinidads and Tobagoes as well.
Good man....how I miss our TB-10 :0(
You make really very good reviews of the current BMW Motorcycles ... Great!
Thank you!
another cool review and bike, my type of bike. I'm too old to need that super sonic acceleration and speed and I avoid motorways wherever possible. I came over to Canada a year ago for 3-5 years and miss those nice windy roads and the fact you can take the bike out between Nov and March.
Thanks or the kind words - I was out on my bike for five hours yesterday in close to freezing temperatures....believe me it's not something I would choose to do!!! :0) Roll on spring eh!?
I love the R1200 R. If I didn't already have a GS Adventure and a Scrambler X I'd have one
Go on, you can't have too many bikes can you?? ;0)
It's my time to renew my bike, so the only models on the market today that I really like is the 2017 XJR1300 and the R1200R the only thing that stops me from the BMW is price and costs in maintenance, the reliability that everyone talks about the Bavarian electronic failures on its vehicles, and of course the options that you have to add to it which increase its price. But is a lovely bike, love the design and looks, the XJR is also another diamond roadster to be taken in consideration, any feedback you can share ??
Well I've not ridden the XJR so I can't really comment - if it were me chosing between the two I'd be very keen to ride both, on looks alone the XJR would win for me (both great bikes I'm sure though)....
Great review. Do you think this is a bit too much for a first step up from a 125? I want it
Yes, I think it probably is....
Love your reviews!. So - how will the R do as a sport touring bike? I have a WC GS and frankly I am getting tired of tall bikes. The RS is not currently available in my area so I am considering the R. By adding the side panniers and a windscreen, would the bike do well on long days? Thanks!
Yes I think it would make a great tourer - very comfortable machine on a long run I would think - luggage is the only question for me....
Thanks for this review! I was hoping you would ride the R1200R, since I just bought one 2 months ago. I debated about the GS, but since I live in Florida, it's just too blasted hot most of the year to have a faired bike as your only M/C. Close call, though. Thanks again!
"Too hot" - what a wonderful concept (I've been on a bike for 5 hours today and it's not been above 1 degree C...bbrrggghhhh)
Another great review, thank you. I especially enjoy seeing the beautiful English countryside. Cheers!
Thank you Charles - lot's more "in the can" - stay tuned!
Talk about serendipity TMF! I've been trawling UA-cam for the past couple of days for R1200R reviews as I've just ordered one without a test ride (no available demo at my local BMW dealer... only got to try the RS) and then you gift me with one of your splendid reviews... much obliged TMF, much obliged. BTW, was that a highly specced up Sport or a lightly specced Exclusive? I went the Exclusive route as the touring add-ons are more important to me.
Hi Onyeka - glad my timing worked for you and hope you like the bike, it does feel quite different to the RS I thought (more nimble) - nice bit of kit all the same - as all the BMW boxers are IMO. I don't honestly know which variant this was, I suspect it was an Exclusive as dealers usually tend yo have top of the range models as demo's.....enjoy your new bike! All the best - TMF
Hello ! First of all , nice review , really enjoyed the whole vid! The design on this bike is absolutely stunning! I'm up for a new bike in the next year and I'm thinking of bying a monster 821/ r1200r / street or speed triple . Do you have any suggestions ? Pros/cons between them? Mostly want the bike for work (in town riding) plus a few trips on the weekends! Thanks in advance!
Get a Street Triple ;0)
Yeah i figured! Just saw a '15 model returning from work yesterday and had a chat with the owner . Amaazing bike . Will do so ! Tyvm !
when you are coming into Cookham from Maidenhead there is a road on your right called Mill Lane right before the fork in Cookham that leads to the Thames. A few nice places down there to do your walk arounds. The green lanes around that area are some of my favorite memories of England for trail running.
Really, Green Lanes??? I need to check those out...I have a feeling they aren't there anymore but I will check....thanks for the intel WestOrange MC - where are you living now out of interest??
Personally like the idea of this bike, it's just nice to ride. Monsters like Super Duke, MT-10, S1000R can be intimidating yet this machine has enough go yet friendly pet. In love with boxer power plant, happy '07 GS owner
I have a g310r and that just looks like the big version of it and I love it
Zach McKinney also own a g310r and also love it 😊
As you know this is my bike! (Red and white sport.) I agree, a good all-rounder. My GS was a better tourer, but I always found the better protection meant I went (too) fast. On this one I tend to stick to 70 as more comfortable. You can change the display - go into "style" and you have a choice of 3. Nicely done yet again sir. Regards, Jon.
Thanks Jon - yes I did play with the styles on the display but forgot to mention it on my review - oops!
Great review. your bike collection is magnificent and something to aspire for. Btw loving the passenger seat on the naked bmw..would like to see passenger seats on Monsters too.
Thanks again - glad you've found my efforts of interest :0) All the best - TMF
As per normal another quality review.Really looking forward to the MT10 review when you get the chance.
Me too JayJay - I'm working on it!
Thanks for the review TMF.
Like the shaft drive, bullet proof engine, she's a bit bulky perhaps for a fun naked. Styling wise, as always with BMW is very Marmite they arent always the most attractive bikes, unlike Italian bikes for example. Not quite sure what that bike is best put to use at. The s1000r would get my money over that I think. Ive ridden the Speed and the s1000r has the Triumph licked. Having ridden it what application is it best suited to TMF? All rounder, tourer?
Obviously anyone who buys one would be happy, after personal preference it's still a quality product. Ride safe must be a bit chilly.
+Sleepingdragon 1 Yeah I'm with you on that - to my mind this is a great all rounder or commuter....usual BMW quality, as you say any owner wouldn't be disappointed....
Great stuff TMF, I've always dismissed the 1200r in the past as pre 2016 the looks were so bland... Might give it a try as a loan bike next time my GS is in for a service. Keep up the good work!
Yeah it's worth a go David, nice bike all round....
I have the same bike\year fully loaded and it puts my other 18 GSXS to shame in all aspects of riding. The GSXs is faster WOT and that's about it. I've see no reason to trade up to the 1250 either. The bike is so confidence inspiring until the electronics are turned off that is. It then slips and slides with frequent front wheel action and one needs to be focused. After 45k it remains my favourite ride.
Nice review TheMissendenFlyer , well structured thx - I rode the R12R nearly 10 years ago and at the time I though "wow.. almost perfect" - since then I got into touring riding with the dual adv bikes.. I wonder what I'd happen if I rode this one again... drop my Caponord Rally? who knows..
Give it a try and see what you think???
Hi will mate, for sure it deserves it - at the moment I carry on enjoying the south west twisties on the aprilia caponord
Another great review TMF. Thanks! Pleasantly surprised by the small change to your normal somewhat patronising sounding catch phrase. ;) Anyway, quick question, do you find the navigation wheel gets in the way of using the indicators, or do you just get used to it?
You just get used to it - can I refer you to this video ua-cam.com/video/6Jc4mEwF7jU/v-deo.html for the latest thoughts on my patronising catch phrase? Cheers - TMF
Already watched it! ;-) I really am a big fan. Even watched some of your plane vlogs. Very impressive skills! Unfortunately I still hate "hi kids", much prefer the catch phrase, "hi folks". It's my problem I know... The only way I've managed to get used to it, is that I imagine you have kids, and you're making a video for them, and I'm lucky enough to get to watch it too... Thanks for taking the time to read and reply to my comment. Looking forward to your next vid, all bar the first few seconds. ;-)
Thinking of one of these to replace my Suzuki GSXS1000. Just trying to figure out if the extra cost of the electronic suspension is worth it as I ride solo and usually spend a while to configure the best settings.
Not sure I would bother if only riding 1 up....
Really tossing up between this bike and the RS version. I like the protection offered by the fairing, and note your comments about its requirement for more man handling into bends. Sounds like the front end geometry is quite different between the two models. Thank you for a great review, as usual touching on all the pertinent points. Cheers from Down Under.
Thank you for watching, glad you found it of interest! All the best - TMF
the r1200r is a really fun and not fully appreciated bike! it is pricey relative to its competition though such as the speed or street triple which also are fun roadsters. the rs has a longer wheelbase and different rake and trail i believe which is why it felt much more reluctant to change direction in my experience test riding these two bikes. i do prefer the look and fairing protection of the rs i only wish it had the chassis? of the r1200r and then maybe the rs would be perfect :)
Yes agreed - I was surprised just how different the handling characteristics of the tow machines are (given the similarities between them)....thanks for watching - TMF
I've done 16,000 miles on my 2015 1200R, including tours around Germany, down to Austria and Italy as well as Spain and Portugal. I think it's a great bike (previously did 18k on a K1600GT and still have an old R1100RT so my first naked since 1977!) and I much prefer it to any of the BMW fours. I've had both an S1000R and an XR loan bike whilst mine's been in for service and they are very buzzy and although great for a Sunday blast I find them very "busy" and quite annoying on longer runs. The R is a very easy bike to live with and I think the most fun of the boxer range.
You get a centre stand! What’s that flashing message? Not low on oil?
I have one in pretty much identical spec and love it.
Would you consider it a suitable first bike for a 50-something that had just passed their direct access test (on the third or fourth attempt)?
Personally no, I think this is a bit too performant for a new rider (regardless of age) - My advice to him/her would be to go for a 600cc for six months to learn his/her craft then go for one of these (so get a second hand 600....)....
Cheers, pretty much my advice word for word, however with your comments about the bike during the review I wondered if i was being overly protective
Did you see this video I made a while back? >> ua-cam.com/video/MIOWKnwUco0/v-deo.html ...maybe point him/her at that???
Will do, cheers.
Again an excellent review tested one of these at the weekend and fell in love with it, which I didn't think I would, I had been looking at Tracer GT and the Tiger XRT (current have a tiger XRT the old one). So add a few modes and I think I might ( for me ) have found my perfect bike. I guess in a few years I will have to grow up to the GS, we will see.
...every one does eventually! In the meantime...enjoy!
@@TheMissendenFlyer 6 months on and this bike is fantastic, all the weight is at the bottom making it so easy to get through traffic, it comfortable quick enough for me and it handles like it's on rails. I can't believe I turned my nose up at the boxer engine for so long. I had up until the 1200r had been changing my bike about every two years or so I don't think I will be letting this one go anytime soon, it would have to be a bloody good bike to get me to swop
another great review you ar always fair.i noticed on the r1200r there is no mud or rain deflector . like on gs.is that an option or even needed? none on rs either? keep up the awsome reviews! !!
I imagine it probably would need one - bound to be available after market...
Fascinating to watch your review or the R1200R and compare it to my test ride last Friday on the new r1250R... Have you tested this amazing bike yet? Looking forward to your review in due course... I wonder if you will be as excitable as me! Cheers...
Not yet - due to ride it next week I think!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Sounds good... What gets me is why it feels so much faster than the NEW R1250GS, yet it's weight is only 10kg less... see what you think next week, some sort of wizardry going on, looking forward to comparing notes once you post your review. Cheers
Great video mate. This is a great all round bike. Fast and comfortable.
+gtx332 Thanks...and agreed!
Have you ever ridden any of the KTM's? Ive got the superduke GT and would love to watch you review this beast. Loving the videos keep them coming. Cheers
Funny you should say that Robbie - I'll be reviewing the Superduke GT and Superadventure in the next couple of weeks....stay tuned!
It may be light for a boxer engined bike but it seems a hefty beast compared with most naked competitors (tuono and street triple come to mind).
For sure, it's not in Street Triple territory - it's more of a competitor for the Speed Triple I would say....thanks for watching - TMF
I owned the olded aircooled version, the best boxer to put on a trailer behind a car, drive to the Alps or Pyrenees. Unfortunately, no mountains in Amsterdam, for long distance travelling and then going for mountain riding, nothing beats the trusted GS (although I did 1200km a day easily). Tip: The higher seat makes it less up-right and a bit more sporty ride.
...yeah I'm with you on that - it's the GS for me too :0)
...yeah they do seem to have a bit of a cult status don't they...
Yep, like the nineT (Roadster, not the Scrambler), beautiful bike. The arguably most beautiful aircooled would be the HP2 Sport. But after owning a Lc GS and the GsA, the LC engine is definitely a smoother engine, with (only) 15 ponies more. Wish they could make one with 150+ hp, because the KTM's and Ducs are more exciting to ride. When is the review of these bikes coming TMF?
I'm torn between this bike and the new Triumph 765 Street Triple - which do you think is better?
And also the Ducati Monster 821 if you don't mind me jumping on your bandwagon. I am also torn between these three :(
Oooh, well I've not ridden the new Street 765 yet of course, but based on the old Street Triple (which I currently own) - the Street Triple every time based on performance, handling, lightness of weight, sound, looks and Britishness....but I am biased of course.....quite different machines, the BMW is more of a lazy all rounder, the Street Triple is like an eager sports bike in comparison.
Much appreciated, cheers!
Are you intending road testing the new KTM 1290 S when it's available in March
Yes I'd like too - I'm going to ride my first KTM's later this week so I'm hoping to get a bit of a relationship going with my local dealer....
Thanks for this. I have been very tempted by it and your review concurs with my thoughts. Any chance of a short review comparing your views of all the BMW bikes and ranking them? I think we all know the obvious winner but still interesting nonetheless!
Mmm, hadn't thought of that.....
Nice looking bike and a fair review can't say anymore than that.
Cheers Norrie - appreciate you watching and stopping by - TMF
I really like your review on the motorcycle but curious to know how does it work with at least 15 mile per hour cross winds and rain?
15mph cross wind wouldn't be an issue I wouldn't think - not having big fairings and the like is an advantage in this regard....
Great bike review...as usual. You should try to get a hold of an R1200GS . Since I also have a 2014 model, I'd be interested in hearing your comment's on the 2017 model. It has all of the upgrades that you have mentioned regarding all of the other R1200's. Unfortunately I can't take a test drive myself....I'm in Northern Ontario in Canada....8 feet of snow on my front lawn. No biking for me until late April . Cheers Rick
...don't much like the sound of 8 foot of snow! Would make for a fun video though....
I really dislike the look of that screen, as though it's just been taped on. I like the front end of the s1000rs, but I hate the split lights. I don't know why manufacturers keep splitting headlights, it just looks rubbish when only one of them is on. I'd love to see something between them, with a bit more fairing on the front than this, but with this one's light and the engine too - got to love the boxer. Lovely noise, particularly with the quickshifter when shifting up.
I'm completely with you on the split light thing Matt - if you must have two then go the Yamaha/Triumph route and at least make them symmetrical (and please make sure they both come on all the time rather than just one!)....
Hi TMF
Thank you for your honest review. I'm pleased you tried this model because I own one and having tried all the other bikes in the BMW range found it to be one of the best real World bikes they offer.
I believe the main reason why the bike seems bland is the standard exhaust. Fitting the Akrapovic, minus the baffle, combined with the Dynamic performance mode, cured that and never failed to put a smile on my face!
This bike provides more than enough performance for safe quick overtakes and the semi-automatic suspension keeps the ride stable and comfortable. I have used it for Sunday morning blasts on A and B roads, 80 mile commuting and not once have I ever been bored with it. The running costs are reasonable with typically late 50mpg helping.
Having previously owned a number of BMW GS Adventure bikes, mainly for their road presence, I decided to improve the road presence of the R1200R LC and fitted the BMW LEDs to Krauser engine protection bars. This made a big difference as I found cars waited for me at junctions and moved over on the motorway to let me through.
In short, after nearly a year, it is a hard bike to replace!
Thanks for your feedback Guy - glad you're getting on well with the bike...it's great when you know you've found the "right one" isn't it (I'm a bit like that with my GS)....cheers for watching and for stopping by - all the best - TMF
In this lockdown period I have re-watched this a couple of times - I'd like to downsize from my Caponord and this R has always been in my mind...BUT I'm not sure about weight and comfort.. however this engine is ace!! cheerio
Have no fear on either! Weight is low and comfort is high!
I have the 2015 lc model and must say that the roadster is a great all-rounder. This may put some people off saying the bike is uninspiring ; it is not a beast and not meant to be, but it will certainly put a smile on your face when you turn the throttle up or ride the twisties. True, it is not a light-weight naked but a roadster. Despite the weight it handles remarkably well. I am 5ˋ8 and feel very comfortable,however, if you are tall , you may feel cramped.
Wish the community well through this crisis and ,of course, thank you tony for your time and effort for another great video. Big fan .
Btw I ended up with this bike eventually... 😂
Great review, first time on your channel, thanks!
Thanks for watching and stopping by Claire - appreciate the kind comment!
Hello sir! I’m in a big dilemma... I used to own a r ninet classic model, now I’m looking for another bike( I find the r nine t to hard on suspensions) I’m mostly commuting in the city and I’m planning to do some tour around Europe, but I can not decide btw this and the super duke r 17-18 model, or any other bike you advice me? I can about the look of the bike and the performance, but I’m also concerned about the power of the super duke if I can commute and sometimes with passenger! Thank you very much and all the best!!! 👍
The Super Duke R is a completely different animal - if you want sensible and steady go for the BMW, if you want lunatic thrills, head for the KTM...
Georgeous bike. Beautiful ride, is that close to Missendon?
+rmteflonpenguin Yes not too far away, within 10 miles or so.....
Ok looking bike I got the impression it didn't set your soul alight ha! You rode both the S1000r and rr? How have I missed that! do you have the reviews on your channel?
You're right - it's not a bike I personally would rush out and own, but then I'm very happy wit the bikes I do have for the purposes for which I bought them. I haven't ridden the RR (yet) and did ride the S1000R a year or two back - no video though as my camera failed! Great bike though....just those darned squinty lights again!
TheMissendenFlyer ha yes it is an acquired taste, I actually like its jekyll and hyde face, think it reflects the bike's persona. If you don't mind and can stretch your memory back was there any stand out pro and cons from your test ride of the S1000r?
Nothing not to like (except the squint) - smooooth, comfy, fast, very nice all round if you can get on with the looks...in fact may be a bit too good (in a clinical soul-less sort of way if that makes sense)....that's what I recall anyway....that and the effin camera not working...
This sabbatical is great. Long may it continue TMF!
I agree 100% NilSatis No9 :0) Though I suspect at some point it will have to end alas.....not yet for a few months at least though!
When you (and maybe some YT commenters here) say the bike is not as hairy as the Triumph, or not too exciting, do you mean the top speed of the R 1200 R isn't as high as for those bikes? Or that the torque is less, and/or comes at much lower revs on the R 1200 R, so you get hit with that surge of power when you're going slower on the R 12000R than the competitors? Or some other thing? I'm not contesting your point, just not sure I follow.
...doesn't accelerate in such a brutal way is what I mean....
Excellent review, I'm a huge fan of these bikes - need to take one for a spin. Big fan from the States, keep it up! :-]
Thanks Siper2 - where in the States are you?? (I love the internet....)
Central Pennsylvania, though I'm originally from New Hampshire. You're welcome!
...never been to Pennsylvania even though I live 2 miles from where Sir William Penn lived! ....and the local village of "Penn" is named after him....even has a pub made with the same timbers as the Mayflower!! Useless fact for you.... ;0)
Not useless at all, that's quite interesting in fact! The state capitol building in Harrisburg (which is the city where I work) is the most ornate in the country compared to the other 49, and is loaded with beautiful artwork and design. His "holy experiment" quote is engraved in the rotunda ceiling. It truly is a magnificent building.
I'd love to visit that pub! I've not been to the UK yet, went to Rome for two weeks for work which wasn't too awful. ;) Need to make another trip across the puddle. Best!
Yes Rome is amazing, Penn in Buckinghamshire less so..... :0)
i like the flat twin boxer engine... i don t like the front look of the bike. but i like the review.
great job!
cheers Tom
Thank you Tom - good to hear from you again.....TMF
Very nice review. Another great BMW motorbike!
Thanks Antonio...
Very good review! I always liked the Roadster bike! I'm looking at those myself!!
+Dona_Mane Thank you Dona_Mane - glad it was of interest :0)
Hows the vibration.. Is it less than rninety
R1200r or superduke ? What would you choose?
SDR - would have an R1250R over that though...
I've been riding a bmw on my holidays today in gran canaria. Absolutely splendid roads and scenery. Shame about the standard of driving.
Aww lucky you - I've ridden for 5 hours in freezing fog here today....not fun at all!
Great review Mr Flyer, not too sure on the screen headlight front end
Yes agreed, I think I would look to remove that too....
Thanks for the review! How would you compare it to the R Nine T? Which one do you prefer and why? I personally love the looks of the R9T but the R1200R seems to be a better value for the money with stuff like dynamic ESA, riding modes, ABS Pro, quickshifter, more power|torque, etc...
I prefer the R9T, just love the looks of it and the quality of build (plus I have the GS for touring and gizmos).....
I've been watching quite a few reviews on the various models of Boxer BMW's and amongst all the facts and figures, such as BHP an Torque we get seat height and weight which, especially as a shorter rider, is very important. It then occurred to me that what would be really helpful would be a measurement for centre of gravity. The weight is just one aspect but I would suggest the centre of gravity is at least as, if not, more important. I appreciate some reviewers bother to mention it, but a figure might help.
Anyway, not a complaint regarding your reviews, just wanted to get it off my chest.
Yes very good point - wouldn't it be great if there was a standard "Centre of gravity height" spec all manufacturers used....
Another great review thank you. I am aware someone has asked you to test ride an f800 GS, which would be good to see. I appreciate the time it takes but if you could, would you do a test on the f800 GT as well as I am considering both of these machines. Many thanks.
Hehe, I love how you guys assume I can just go and ride any bike - I'd love too!! If I can I'll do the reviews, but at the moment I don't have access to those machines alas - stay tuned though 'cos you never know! Thanks for watching, all the best - TMF
Your doing BMW a big favour, they should be throwing the bikes at you lol. You do such a great job of reviewing them.
Thanks Stu - to be fair the local dealer does let me ride and review the bikes, but they don't always have demos for all the range available....the F800's being cases in point. I will mention it to them when next we speak and maybe there's something I can do in future....cheers again for your kind words - TMF
If you can great, if not no problem, Thanks for responding.
very cool video, I was just wonderin' if you could review the 2017 F800 Gs Adventure for me I'm so confused if it's the right bike for me cause I'm a new rider, thanks.in advance.
Would love too - just need to get hold of one! Stay tuned....
Hi, great review, well done!
Is it right that GB is biker`s heaven because of a much better acceptance, consideration and better traffic regulations especially for bikers?
....err, not sure where you heard that, I would say not right! Bikers are not really seen in a positive light here and the authorities don't make any special arrangements for them....bicycle's and cars get all the help here - motorcycles just have to get on with it in their world....
that`s what I`ve heard from bikers visiting GB or read in forums - but reading your response it seems to be similar nearly everywhere - enjoy your riding :)
I think that is one extremely excellent motorcycle! I suspect I would prefer the RS version because I like fairings and a more forward riding position. I'm not going to test ride them because I can't afford it right now.
I love boxer BMWs. Lovely low CoG with such user friendly power. They make such great all-round bikes as you say. Not as powerful as a good multi like the speed triple, but plenty enough power as far as I am concerned.
Robert Pirsig rode a BMW in his book "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance". That is recommendation enough for me :)
I agree with you on the Boxer Brighton dude, so much to be said for low COG if you can't have "really light" instead.....and as you say, 125hp isn't too shabby......
Why is the display blinking? I like the blue frame. Thanks!
...just a frame rate issue between my GoPro and the Beemer - steady in real life...