as soon as you told about the executioner begging for forgiveness, i couldn't stop crying. before i was emotional about it sure, but that just made me feel moved. the political meaning behind is definitely not something to ignore, but the painting confined to itself is such a heartbreaking thing to know that happened. she wasn't even an adult nor did she really choose to be queen, but she was killed anyway to prove something. it's just not something i can really think about and not feel horrible for her
I watched a documentary on Mary Tudor. Lady Grey was a child, and she didn't even want the crown, she didn't have a choice! But nope, her aunt didn't care. Definitely one of the biggest monsters in history.
I mean, Mary did give her a choice. She said that she would spare her life if Jane gave up on her protestant faith but she didn’t, which is why Mary killed her
Well really, Mary never wanted to kill her, however Jane’s father was in talks with rebels who wish to restore her to the throne, which is why Mary executed her
Interesting painting. Lady Jane Grey was a political pawn, powerless over the events she was caught up in; the figurehead of the cause of a Protestant queen rather than the Catholic Mary Tudor. Note England had only really been Protestant under the short reign of Edward VI. There were many Catholics in the country that wanted the return of the "true" religion. Subsequent events gave the soubriquet "bloody" to Mary because of her persecution, torture & execution of leading Protestants. Lady Jane Grey's husband was executed the same day.
I'm not sure whether this painting really reflects the values of juste milieu, politically speaking. I think the more straight forward interpretation is that it is denouncing indiscriminate political violence. If you have any sources that discuss the political affiliations of Delaroche, I'd be curious to read them!
I got to see this painting in London earlier this year and it caught my eye without knowing anything about it. I’m so glad I got to learn more about this painting thank you!
Such paintings are so complex and suggest different poins of view and consequences of actions. Despite having a political content included, you can still appreciate it for the strong visual impact. Every time I see this painting it makes me question and still enjoy it as an art piece, but this explanation made me love it even more.
This is my favourite painting. I used to visit the National Gallery and sit in front of it for half an hour during lunchtimes. There is always something to draw the eye in - be it a shadow or the realism of the fabric on her skirt. It broke my heart when it was moved from main galleries with their natural light, to a new basement where a shadow was cast across the top of the painting. I complained. It appeared I was not the only one.
This paining hangs in London and I regularly go to view it. It’s painted in life size (yes, it’s huge), which really enhances the immersion. You feel you’re stood as a spectator to Queen Jane’s beheading
Based. Thank you. What I see is the cruel oppression of a monarch -- but yes, it is the centrist appeal to "civilized" behavior. We can see it very clearly now, a tyranny of civility, even in the face of blatant genocide. Protests against the mass slaughter of innocents by suppressed by force for -- impoliteness. Your subjects are always timely, but this is especially so.
I would love to see this painting in person. I feel like I could look at it for hours to make sure I took in every detail. I could probably spend an hour just looking at her dress. The fabric, the folds, the wrinkles, the colours, the way the light hits it, the small decorative details...it's absolutely stunning!!
Love your stuff and the video. I'm intrigued by the censorship of the word exécution in the title though, is it for algorithm/youtube purposes or is it self imposed ?
Definitely not self imposed. UA-cam has gone full 1984 and will demonetize a video over the mere mention of words they've deemed as "bad", no matter how harmless or educational the context.
The untold tragedy of this story is how closely related the participants are to each other. Surprisingly I have a connection to most of them. The executioner John Brydges was likely descended from King Edward III through the Clifford family though I haven't found the connection yet. Elizabeth Grey, wife of John Brydges, was the 3rd cousin once removed of Lady Jane Grey through John of Beaufort. Elizabeth was also the 5th great granddaughter of Edward III. Mary Queen of Scots was the 2nd cousin of Lady Jane Grey through their great grandparents Henry Tudor and Elizabeth York. Mary and Lady Jane were 6th great granddaughters of Edward III. Guildford Dudley was the 3rd cousin once removed of Lady Jane Grey through Edward Grey. Guildford was the 1st cousin 8x removed of Edward III. King Edward III was my 23rd great grandfather which makes me the 7th cousin 17x removed of Lady Jane Grey. This image portrays one of the many senseless tragedies of people caught up in wars based on intolerance of religion, nationality or ancestry. There are many more stories like this that have appeared in my family research and this image captures so much of the tragedy and loss.
mais um salve do Brasil. Sobre essa pintura, eu me pergunto se foi proposital terem apenas mulheres no lado esquerdo e homens do lado direito, levando em conta também a diferença de tamanho desses personagens, ou se foi uma mera fidelidade histórica ou coincidência
Lady Jane Grey's rise to the throne was a result of political maneuvering and intrigue by powerful figures seeking to advance their interests. Her execution can be seen as a consequence of the volatile political landscape during the Tudor era.
I find it more and more troubling these days the censorship of words that has conquered the internet. If else, I find this contradictory to your content. Murder. Execution. Death. These are just words. The channel that has influenced me so much about how to criticize art, has not separated the word from its purpose. Words are tools. purposeless sequences of letters. There was no enforcement of the idea of execution in your content. How far is this from the censorship of art. Should this painting even exist then? You beautifully express that even if you dont agree with the ideology of this painting, you appreciate certain elements of it. This would not exist if the topic of execution would be off limits. And above all, depictions of the ugliness of the human capability should not be suppressed, for it will always be among us.
this is the first time I see this painting and after watching some documentary about Lady Jane Grey, historians says this is not accurate. One historian even says the only accurate here are the straws. But still this is an amazing painting and story of Lady Jane Grey.
The emotions and actions are accurate. But the place and background aren’t. I feel like it was a way to depict the tower she was imprisoned in for the last year of her life as well as the darkness of the event. But the lieutenant guiding her to the block. The ladies in waiting in despair and the executioner being solemn are all true. The emotions are true and that seems to be the main message of the painting
In Victorian England children were sentenced to death. Somwhere I came across the assizes records for a northern English town. Two 13 year old girls were sentenced to death by hanging for some relatively minor crime along with a 6 year old boy for stealing a bread bun from a baker. The person presenting this, I cant recall if it was in a book or the early days of the internet, was unable to discover if these horrendous sentences were ever carried out or were commuted to the living death of transportation. But the callousness of the judge is appalling. Then of course there is the holocaust. This execution pales into insignificance.
I would love to have these paintings as a wallpaper but I fail a lot to find good sources. Even Google Arts is very limited. Is there a website with hi res images of paintings?
I think you could also interpret the politics of the painting differently. After all, the execution taking place is a pointless and cruel event, created because of power-hungry aristocrats. No one in the painting wants to be there, yet is forced to by their circumstances and the violence of the system involved. It is unjust and kills "the most beautiful, innocent and fair ones", so to speak. So, you could say that the aristocrats are chopping their own heads off because of their scheming, in the process destroying the very things which their class prides on (beauty, gentleness, reason and so on).
excellent analysis of an excellent painting. Thanks again and keep up your good work. Btw: Would you at all be interested in a collaboration on art, psychologie, history and philosophy? Please let let me know, if so...
Jane Grey was a child that "blindly" obeyed her authority figures. She came to believed what they said, that she was chosen by God to rule. Lady Jane never questioned it or them. This is what ultimately led her to the block where she blindly groped for direction and just like always was led by a authority figure. It is important to learn that respecting authority should never be at the cost of our own discernment.
I have a question. If all art is expressing political ideas of one sort or another and I disagree with the worldview or message being conveyed, am I allowed to dislike the art piece for this reason? By "allowed" I mean no one would try and say that thinking like this is immoral or uncultured. Would I be expected to put aside my beliefs while examining a painting? If yes, why? I do not do this when in conversation about political subjects with others. The painting is a mechanism to transmit an idea akin to words, so why the separate expectations? If no, then wont art just degenerate into political preferences and messaging? It would even cease to be effective at convincing anyone of a different opinion since they would rightly dismiss any art that goes against their beliefs as nonesense. What criticism could anyone have of this dismissive position other than saying they have incorrect political beliefs?
IAM stress the fuckkkk out homie I'm just for small hadnd me down I don't my stuff iqm pqrticammy homlees bro in my cousin this shit make mentale in losing bruh
You didn't mention it's HUGE, about 2.5m by 3m (8.5 by 9 feet). It dominates the room it's in. And people still cry in front of it today.
This is deeply touching... I understand why people still cry in front of it today.
Why? She was just a Protestant.
No shame to admit I was one of them
as soon as you told about the executioner begging for forgiveness, i couldn't stop crying. before i was emotional about it sure, but that just made me feel moved. the political meaning behind is definitely not something to ignore, but the painting confined to itself is such a heartbreaking thing to know that happened. she wasn't even an adult nor did she really choose to be queen, but she was killed anyway to prove something. it's just not something i can really think about and not feel horrible for her
that was the moment that also broke me, it's just too much to see this child bending towards her death, regardless of the political meanings
I watched a documentary on Mary Tudor. Lady Grey was a child, and she didn't even want the crown, she didn't have a choice! But nope, her aunt didn't care. Definitely one of the biggest monsters in history.
Was it "The She Wolves of England?"
Mary didn't want to kill her initially. But Lord Grey joined some rebels and this forced Mary Tudor's hand on the matter
lmao mary was a saint compared to her father and her siblings
I mean, Mary did give her a choice. She said that she would spare her life if Jane gave up on her protestant faith but she didn’t, which is why Mary killed her
Well really, Mary never wanted to kill her, however Jane’s father was in talks with rebels who wish to restore her to the throne, which is why Mary executed her
i love your channel so much
I love yours more.
Interesting painting. Lady Jane Grey was a political pawn, powerless over the events she was caught up in; the figurehead of the cause of a Protestant queen rather than the Catholic Mary Tudor. Note England had only really been Protestant under the short reign of Edward VI. There were many Catholics in the country that wanted the return of the "true" religion. Subsequent events gave the soubriquet "bloody" to Mary because of her persecution, torture & execution of leading Protestants.
Lady Jane Grey's husband was executed the same day.
I'm not sure whether this painting really reflects the values of juste milieu, politically speaking. I think the more straight forward interpretation is that it is denouncing indiscriminate political violence. If you have any sources that discuss the political affiliations of Delaroche, I'd be curious to read them!
I got to see this painting in London earlier this year and it caught my eye without knowing anything about it. I’m so glad I got to learn more about this painting thank you!
Such paintings are so complex and suggest different poins of view and consequences of actions. Despite having a political content included, you can still appreciate it for the strong visual impact. Every time I see this painting it makes me question and still enjoy it as an art piece, but this explanation made me love it even more.
This is my favourite painting. I used to visit the National Gallery and sit in front of it for half an hour during lunchtimes. There is always something to draw the eye in - be it a shadow or the realism of the fabric on her skirt.
It broke my heart when it was moved from main galleries with their natural light, to a new basement where a shadow was cast across the top of the painting. I complained. It appeared I was not the only one.
This paining hangs in London and I regularly go to view it. It’s painted in life size (yes, it’s huge), which really enhances the immersion. You feel you’re stood as a spectator to Queen Jane’s beheading
"Queen of the nine days", from Leicestershire. Amazing video. Thanks.
Based. Thank you. What I see is the cruel oppression of a monarch -- but yes, it is the centrist appeal to "civilized" behavior.
We can see it very clearly now, a tyranny of civility, even in the face of blatant genocide.
Protests against the mass slaughter of innocents by suppressed by force for -- impoliteness.
Your subjects are always timely, but this is especially so.
I would love to see this painting in person. I feel like I could look at it for hours to make sure I took in every detail. I could probably spend an hour just looking at her dress. The fabric, the folds, the wrinkles, the colours, the way the light hits it, the small decorative details...it's absolutely stunning!!
what a platform YT is where execution has to be censored
But it isn't? Not in many many other titles. What's going on?
@@SpearcaCreators spend too much time making videos to have them demonetized. It might make it past the censors, but not worth the risk.
Tous tes vidéos sont super intéressants, j'aime particulièrement ton approche. Un commentaire et un thumbs up pour t'encourager :)
Love your stuff and the video.
I'm intrigued by the censorship of the word exécution in the title though, is it for algorithm/youtube purposes or is it self imposed ?
Definitely not self imposed. UA-cam has gone full 1984 and will demonetize a video over the mere mention of words they've deemed as "bad", no matter how harmless or educational the context.
i’ve never seen this painting before. been haunted by jane grey’s story since forever ago though - beautiful art and your narration really resonates
Resonated. Thank you
The untold tragedy of this story is how closely related the participants are to each other. Surprisingly I have a connection to most of them.
The executioner John Brydges was likely descended from King Edward III through the Clifford family though I haven't found the connection yet.
Elizabeth Grey, wife of John Brydges, was the 3rd cousin once removed of Lady Jane Grey through John of Beaufort. Elizabeth was also the 5th great granddaughter of Edward III.
Mary Queen of Scots was the 2nd cousin of Lady Jane Grey through their great grandparents Henry Tudor and Elizabeth York. Mary and Lady Jane were 6th great granddaughters of Edward III.
Guildford Dudley was the 3rd cousin once removed of Lady Jane Grey through Edward Grey. Guildford was the 1st cousin 8x removed of Edward III.
King Edward III was my 23rd great grandfather which makes me the 7th cousin 17x removed of Lady Jane Grey.
This image portrays one of the many senseless tragedies of people caught up in wars based on intolerance of religion, nationality or ancestry. There are many more stories like this that have appeared in my family research and this image captures so much of the tragedy and loss.
mais um salve do Brasil. Sobre essa pintura, eu me pergunto se foi proposital terem apenas mulheres no lado esquerdo e homens do lado direito, levando em conta também a diferença de tamanho desses personagens, ou se foi uma mera fidelidade histórica ou coincidência
Lady Jane Grey's rise to the throne was a result of political maneuvering and intrigue by powerful figures seeking to advance their interests. Her execution can be seen as a consequence of the volatile political landscape during the Tudor era.
In his time , Paul Delaroche was called “The Court Painter to our Fallen Majesties” 😔😔
i think she is an icon and didn’t deserve to be treated bad
I find it more and more troubling these days the censorship of words that has conquered the internet. If else, I find this contradictory to your content.
Murder. Execution. Death.
These are just words. The channel that has influenced me so much about how to criticize art, has not separated the word from its purpose. Words are tools. purposeless sequences of letters. There was no enforcement of the idea of execution in your content. How far is this from the censorship of art. Should this painting even exist then? You beautifully express that even if you dont agree with the ideology of this painting, you appreciate certain elements of it. This would not exist if the topic of execution would be off limits. And above all, depictions of the ugliness of the human capability should not be suppressed, for it will always be among us.
this is the first time I see this painting and after watching some documentary about Lady Jane Grey, historians says this is not accurate. One historian even says the only accurate here are the straws.
But still this is an amazing painting and story of Lady Jane Grey.
The emotions and actions are accurate. But the place and background aren’t. I feel like it was a way to depict the tower she was imprisoned in for the last year of her life as well as the darkness of the event. But the lieutenant guiding her to the block. The ladies in waiting in despair and the executioner being solemn are all true. The emotions are true and that seems to be the main message of the painting
Thanks!
Fantastic breakdown as always.
In Victorian England children were sentenced to death. Somwhere I came across the assizes records for a northern English town. Two 13 year old girls were sentenced to death by hanging for some relatively minor crime along with a 6 year old boy for stealing a bread bun from a baker.
The person presenting this, I cant recall if it was in a book or the early days of the internet, was unable to discover if these horrendous sentences were ever carried out or were commuted to the living death of transportation. But the callousness of the judge is appalling.
Then of course there is the holocaust.
This execution pales into insignificance.
I would love to have these paintings as a wallpaper but I fail a lot to find good sources. Even Google Arts is very limited. Is there a website with hi res images of paintings?
I think you could also interpret the politics of the painting differently. After all, the execution taking place is a pointless and cruel event, created because of power-hungry aristocrats. No one in the painting wants to be there, yet is forced to by their circumstances and the violence of the system involved. It is unjust and kills "the most beautiful, innocent and fair ones", so to speak. So, you could say that the aristocrats are chopping their own heads off because of their scheming, in the process destroying the very things which their class prides on (beauty, gentleness, reason and so on).
Can you give an example of a succesful society with equally shared power and no leaders ?
C'est une scène troublante illustrée agreablement
Agreed!!❤
Incredible
excellent analysis of an excellent painting. Thanks again and keep up your good work. Btw: Would you at all be interested in a collaboration on art, psychologie, history and philosophy? Please let let me know, if so...
Do you have any sourecs for the claim that Paul Delaroche believed in Juste Mileu? I can't find anything.
all art is propaganda
thank you
Based juste milieu between sadistic majoritarian revolutionaries and sadistic absolut Monarchists
Thomas Hobbes
I have pay pall I need resinfzr place internet coffee and draft for this our community if this works iqm rethinking my life '''''
Do you still have the invitation of artists to canada? Where can I find the sign up?
Awesome to hear you talk about this! Grey has been a favorite recent discovery of mine.
Might be a good idea to show the spelling of the painter's name... Delarosh?
Delaroche
We need to talk about penis/dagger.
Who are the two women crying in the background?
The ladies in waiting
@@sousaligka331 oh thanks!
Was kind of worried untill 2:40.
Doesn't she come back as the Dark Phoenix?
In b4 this gets age restricted
Jane Grey was a child that "blindly" obeyed her authority figures. She came to believed what they said, that she was chosen by God to rule. Lady Jane never questioned it or them. This is what ultimately led her to the block where she blindly groped for direction and just like always was led by a authority figure.
It is important to learn that respecting authority should never be at the cost of our own discernment.
She didn’t have a choice. As a child and as a woman, she couldn’t do anything against her parents. She even married against her choice.
I have a question. If all art is expressing political ideas of one sort or another and I disagree with the worldview or message being conveyed, am I allowed to dislike the art piece for this reason? By "allowed" I mean no one would try and say that thinking like this is immoral or uncultured. Would I be expected to put aside my beliefs while examining a painting? If yes, why? I do not do this when in conversation about political subjects with others. The painting is a mechanism to transmit an idea akin to words, so why the separate expectations? If no, then wont art just degenerate into political preferences and messaging? It would even cease to be effective at convincing anyone of a different opinion since they would rightly dismiss any art that goes against their beliefs as nonesense. What criticism could anyone have of this dismissive position other than saying they have incorrect political beliefs?
IAM stress the fuckkkk out homie I'm just for small hadnd me down I don't my stuff iqm pqrticammy homlees bro in my cousin this shit make mentale in losing bruh
this channel is obviously a leftist who must politicize every single thing
algo rhythm
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thank you for bleeping "execution". God loves you
This is a beautiful painting