I watched a documentary on Mary Tudor. Lady Grey was a child, and she didn't even want the crown, she didn't have a choice! But nope, her aunt didn't care. Definitely one of the biggest monsters in history.
I mean, Mary did give her a choice. She said that she would spare her life if Jane gave up on her protestant faith but she didn’t, which is why Mary killed her
Well really, Mary never wanted to kill her, however Jane’s father was in talks with rebels who wish to restore her to the throne, which is why Mary executed her
as soon as you told about the executioner begging for forgiveness, i couldn't stop crying. before i was emotional about it sure, but that just made me feel moved. the political meaning behind is definitely not something to ignore, but the painting confined to itself is such a heartbreaking thing to know that happened. she wasn't even an adult nor did she really choose to be queen, but she was killed anyway to prove something. it's just not something i can really think about and not feel horrible for her
I got to see this painting in London earlier this year and it caught my eye without knowing anything about it. I’m so glad I got to learn more about this painting thank you!
Interesting painting. Lady Jane Grey was a political pawn, powerless over the events she was caught up in; the figurehead of the cause of a Protestant queen rather than the Catholic Mary Tudor. Note England had only really been Protestant under the short reign of Edward VI. There were many Catholics in the country that wanted the return of the "true" religion. Subsequent events gave the soubriquet "bloody" to Mary because of her persecution, torture & execution of leading Protestants. Lady Jane Grey's husband was executed the same day.
I'm not sure whether this painting really reflects the values of juste milieu, politically speaking. I think the more straight forward interpretation is that it is denouncing indiscriminate political violence. If you have any sources that discuss the political affiliations of Delaroche, I'd be curious to read them!
Such paintings are so complex and suggest different poins of view and consequences of actions. Despite having a political content included, you can still appreciate it for the strong visual impact. Every time I see this painting it makes me question and still enjoy it as an art piece, but this explanation made me love it even more.
I would love to see this painting in person. I feel like I could look at it for hours to make sure I took in every detail. I could probably spend an hour just looking at her dress. The fabric, the folds, the wrinkles, the colours, the way the light hits it, the small decorative details...it's absolutely stunning!!
Based. Thank you. What I see is the cruel oppression of a monarch -- but yes, it is the centrist appeal to "civilized" behavior. We can see it very clearly now, a tyranny of civility, even in the face of blatant genocide. Protests against the mass slaughter of innocents by suppressed by force for -- impoliteness. Your subjects are always timely, but this is especially so.
Love your stuff and the video. I'm intrigued by the censorship of the word exécution in the title though, is it for algorithm/youtube purposes or is it self imposed ?
Definitely not self imposed. UA-cam has gone full 1984 and will demonetize a video over the mere mention of words they've deemed as "bad", no matter how harmless or educational the context.
this is the first time I see this painting and after watching some documentary about Lady Jane Grey, historians says this is not accurate. One historian even says the only accurate here are the straws. But still this is an amazing painting and story of Lady Jane Grey.
The emotions and actions are accurate. But the place and background aren’t. I feel like it was a way to depict the tower she was imprisoned in for the last year of her life as well as the darkness of the event. But the lieutenant guiding her to the block. The ladies in waiting in despair and the executioner being solemn are all true. The emotions are true and that seems to be the main message of the painting
mais um salve do Brasil. Sobre essa pintura, eu me pergunto se foi proposital terem apenas mulheres no lado esquerdo e homens do lado direito, levando em conta também a diferença de tamanho desses personagens, ou se foi uma mera fidelidade histórica ou coincidência
i dont know why, but this art piece reminds me of the unequal marriage by Vasili Pukirev (dont know if that name is even correct, i somewhat forgot) id really like to see you do a video on it!
In Victorian England children were sentenced to death. Somwhere I came across the assizes records for a northern English town. Two 13 year old girls were sentenced to death by hanging for some relatively minor crime along with a 6 year old boy for stealing a bread bun from a baker. The person presenting this, I cant recall if it was in a book or the early days of the internet, was unable to discover if these horrendous sentences were ever carried out or were commuted to the living death of transportation. But the callousness of the judge is appalling. Then of course there is the holocaust. This execution pales into insignificance.
Lady Jane Grey's rise to the throne was a result of political maneuvering and intrigue by powerful figures seeking to advance their interests. Her execution can be seen as a consequence of the volatile political landscape during the Tudor era.
I would love to have these paintings as a wallpaper but I fail a lot to find good sources. Even Google Arts is very limited. Is there a website with hi res images of paintings?
I have a question. If all art is expressing political ideas of one sort or another and I disagree with the worldview or message being conveyed, am I allowed to dislike the art piece for this reason? By "allowed" I mean no one would try and say that thinking like this is immoral or uncultured. Would I be expected to put aside my beliefs while examining a painting? If yes, why? I do not do this when in conversation about political subjects with others. The painting is a mechanism to transmit an idea akin to words, so why the separate expectations? If no, then wont art just degenerate into political preferences and messaging? It would even cease to be effective at convincing anyone of a different opinion since they would rightly dismiss any art that goes against their beliefs as nonesense. What criticism could anyone have of this dismissive position other than saying they have incorrect political beliefs?
IAM stress the fuckkkk out homie I'm just for small hadnd me down I don't my stuff iqm pqrticammy homlees bro in my cousin this shit make mentale in losing bruh
I find it more and more troubling these days the censorship of words that has conquered the internet. If else, I find this contradictory to your content. Murder. Execution. Death. These are just words. The channel that has influenced me so much about how to criticize art, has not separated the word from its purpose. Words are tools. purposeless sequences of letters. There was no enforcement of the idea of execution in your content. How far is this from the censorship of art. Should this painting even exist then? You beautifully express that even if you dont agree with the ideology of this painting, you appreciate certain elements of it. This would not exist if the topic of execution would be off limits. And above all, depictions of the ugliness of the human capability should not be suppressed, for it will always be among us.
Jane Grey was a child that "blindly" obeyed her authority figures. She came to believed what they said, that she was chosen by God to rule. Lady Jane never questioned it or them. This is what ultimately led her to the block where she blindly groped for direction and just like always was led by a authority figure. It is important to learn that respecting authority should never be at the cost of our own discernment.
I think you could also interpret the politics of the painting differently. After all, the execution taking place is a pointless and cruel event, created because of power-hungry aristocrats. No one in the painting wants to be there, yet is forced to by their circumstances and the violence of the system involved. It is unjust and kills "the most beautiful, innocent and fair ones", so to speak. So, you could say that the aristocrats are chopping their own heads off because of their scheming, in the process destroying the very things which their class prides on (beauty, gentleness, reason and so on).
You didn't mention it's HUGE, about 2.5m by 3m (8.5 by 9 feet). It dominates the room it's in. And people still cry in front of it today.
This is deeply touching... I understand why people still cry in front of it today.
Why? She was just a Protestant.
I watched a documentary on Mary Tudor. Lady Grey was a child, and she didn't even want the crown, she didn't have a choice! But nope, her aunt didn't care. Definitely one of the biggest monsters in history.
Was it "The She Wolves of England?"
Mary didn't want to kill her initially. But Lord Grey joined some rebels and this forced Mary Tudor's hand on the matter
lmao mary was a saint compared to her father and her siblings
I mean, Mary did give her a choice. She said that she would spare her life if Jane gave up on her protestant faith but she didn’t, which is why Mary killed her
Well really, Mary never wanted to kill her, however Jane’s father was in talks with rebels who wish to restore her to the throne, which is why Mary executed her
as soon as you told about the executioner begging for forgiveness, i couldn't stop crying. before i was emotional about it sure, but that just made me feel moved. the political meaning behind is definitely not something to ignore, but the painting confined to itself is such a heartbreaking thing to know that happened. she wasn't even an adult nor did she really choose to be queen, but she was killed anyway to prove something. it's just not something i can really think about and not feel horrible for her
that was the moment that also broke me, it's just too much to see this child bending towards her death, regardless of the political meanings
I got to see this painting in London earlier this year and it caught my eye without knowing anything about it. I’m so glad I got to learn more about this painting thank you!
Interesting painting. Lady Jane Grey was a political pawn, powerless over the events she was caught up in; the figurehead of the cause of a Protestant queen rather than the Catholic Mary Tudor. Note England had only really been Protestant under the short reign of Edward VI. There were many Catholics in the country that wanted the return of the "true" religion. Subsequent events gave the soubriquet "bloody" to Mary because of her persecution, torture & execution of leading Protestants.
Lady Jane Grey's husband was executed the same day.
I'm not sure whether this painting really reflects the values of juste milieu, politically speaking. I think the more straight forward interpretation is that it is denouncing indiscriminate political violence. If you have any sources that discuss the political affiliations of Delaroche, I'd be curious to read them!
Such paintings are so complex and suggest different poins of view and consequences of actions. Despite having a political content included, you can still appreciate it for the strong visual impact. Every time I see this painting it makes me question and still enjoy it as an art piece, but this explanation made me love it even more.
i love your channel so much
I love yours more.
I would love to see this painting in person. I feel like I could look at it for hours to make sure I took in every detail. I could probably spend an hour just looking at her dress. The fabric, the folds, the wrinkles, the colours, the way the light hits it, the small decorative details...it's absolutely stunning!!
i’ve never seen this painting before. been haunted by jane grey’s story since forever ago though - beautiful art and your narration really resonates
"Queen of the nine days", from Leicestershire. Amazing video. Thanks.
Based. Thank you. What I see is the cruel oppression of a monarch -- but yes, it is the centrist appeal to "civilized" behavior.
We can see it very clearly now, a tyranny of civility, even in the face of blatant genocide.
Protests against the mass slaughter of innocents by suppressed by force for -- impoliteness.
Your subjects are always timely, but this is especially so.
Fantastic breakdown as always.
i think she is an icon and didn’t deserve to be treated bad
In his time , Paul Delaroche was called “The Court Painter to our Fallen Majesties” 😔😔
Love your stuff and the video.
I'm intrigued by the censorship of the word exécution in the title though, is it for algorithm/youtube purposes or is it self imposed ?
Definitely not self imposed. UA-cam has gone full 1984 and will demonetize a video over the mere mention of words they've deemed as "bad", no matter how harmless or educational the context.
Thanks!
what a platform YT is where execution has to be censored
But it isn't? Not in many many other titles. What's going on?
@@SpearcaCreators spend too much time making videos to have them demonetized. It might make it past the censors, but not worth the risk.
Tous tes vidéos sont super intéressants, j'aime particulièrement ton approche. Un commentaire et un thumbs up pour t'encourager :)
this is the first time I see this painting and after watching some documentary about Lady Jane Grey, historians says this is not accurate. One historian even says the only accurate here are the straws.
But still this is an amazing painting and story of Lady Jane Grey.
The emotions and actions are accurate. But the place and background aren’t. I feel like it was a way to depict the tower she was imprisoned in for the last year of her life as well as the darkness of the event. But the lieutenant guiding her to the block. The ladies in waiting in despair and the executioner being solemn are all true. The emotions are true and that seems to be the main message of the painting
Resonated. Thank you
Awesome to hear you talk about this! Grey has been a favorite recent discovery of mine.
mais um salve do Brasil. Sobre essa pintura, eu me pergunto se foi proposital terem apenas mulheres no lado esquerdo e homens do lado direito, levando em conta também a diferença de tamanho desses personagens, ou se foi uma mera fidelidade histórica ou coincidência
C'est une scène troublante illustrée agreablement
i dont know why, but this art piece reminds me of the unequal marriage by Vasili Pukirev (dont know if that name is even correct, i somewhat forgot) id really like to see you do a video on it!
This is a beautiful painting
thank you
In Victorian England children were sentenced to death. Somwhere I came across the assizes records for a northern English town. Two 13 year old girls were sentenced to death by hanging for some relatively minor crime along with a 6 year old boy for stealing a bread bun from a baker.
The person presenting this, I cant recall if it was in a book or the early days of the internet, was unable to discover if these horrendous sentences were ever carried out or were commuted to the living death of transportation. But the callousness of the judge is appalling.
Then of course there is the holocaust.
This execution pales into insignificance.
Lady Jane Grey's rise to the throne was a result of political maneuvering and intrigue by powerful figures seeking to advance their interests. Her execution can be seen as a consequence of the volatile political landscape during the Tudor era.
Incredible
I would love to have these paintings as a wallpaper but I fail a lot to find good sources. Even Google Arts is very limited. Is there a website with hi res images of paintings?
Do you still have the invitation of artists to canada? Where can I find the sign up?
Do you have any sourecs for the claim that Paul Delaroche believed in Juste Mileu? I can't find anything.
Was kind of worried untill 2:40.
algo rhythm
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Might be a good idea to show the spelling of the painter's name... Delarosh?
Delaroche
In b4 this gets age restricted
I have a question. If all art is expressing political ideas of one sort or another and I disagree with the worldview or message being conveyed, am I allowed to dislike the art piece for this reason? By "allowed" I mean no one would try and say that thinking like this is immoral or uncultured. Would I be expected to put aside my beliefs while examining a painting? If yes, why? I do not do this when in conversation about political subjects with others. The painting is a mechanism to transmit an idea akin to words, so why the separate expectations? If no, then wont art just degenerate into political preferences and messaging? It would even cease to be effective at convincing anyone of a different opinion since they would rightly dismiss any art that goes against their beliefs as nonesense. What criticism could anyone have of this dismissive position other than saying they have incorrect political beliefs?
IAM stress the fuckkkk out homie I'm just for small hadnd me down I don't my stuff iqm pqrticammy homlees bro in my cousin this shit make mentale in losing bruh
We need to talk about penis/dagger.
Based juste milieu between sadistic majoritarian revolutionaries and sadistic absolut Monarchists
Thomas Hobbes
Doesn't she come back as the Dark Phoenix?
I find it more and more troubling these days the censorship of words that has conquered the internet. If else, I find this contradictory to your content.
Murder. Execution. Death.
These are just words. The channel that has influenced me so much about how to criticize art, has not separated the word from its purpose. Words are tools. purposeless sequences of letters. There was no enforcement of the idea of execution in your content. How far is this from the censorship of art. Should this painting even exist then? You beautifully express that even if you dont agree with the ideology of this painting, you appreciate certain elements of it. This would not exist if the topic of execution would be off limits. And above all, depictions of the ugliness of the human capability should not be suppressed, for it will always be among us.
Jane Grey was a child that "blindly" obeyed her authority figures. She came to believed what they said, that she was chosen by God to rule. Lady Jane never questioned it or them. This is what ultimately led her to the block where she blindly groped for direction and just like always was led by a authority figure.
It is important to learn that respecting authority should never be at the cost of our own discernment.
She didn’t have a choice. As a child and as a woman, she couldn’t do anything against her parents. She even married against her choice.
woopeedy yeehaww
Yeehaw woopeedy
thank you for bleeping "execution". God loves you
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I think you could also interpret the politics of the painting differently. After all, the execution taking place is a pointless and cruel event, created because of power-hungry aristocrats. No one in the painting wants to be there, yet is forced to by their circumstances and the violence of the system involved. It is unjust and kills "the most beautiful, innocent and fair ones", so to speak. So, you could say that the aristocrats are chopping their own heads off because of their scheming, in the process destroying the very things which their class prides on (beauty, gentleness, reason and so on).
all art is propaganda