Toro Timemaster engine hack - Kohler Command Pro CV 224 upgrade. Cut Quality Showcase
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- Update video to the previous video. Enjoy. As always links in description below
Engine Swap Guide: • Toro Timemaster Engine...
Toro Timemaster engine is underpowered even with the briggs 223 upgrade. from the old 190cc engine. The kohler command pro is more powerful, more efficient, and the standard engine on the turfmaster.
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Kohler Command Pro CV224 Engine (Choose one only)
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- Current Price $599.00 4/24/23
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- Current price $449.99 as of 4/24/23
Kohler CV224 Must meet this specification:
Kohler CV224-3002 Command PRO 11.0 TP 224cc Toro Timemaster 25mm x 3-5/32" w/ Oil Filter
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Also please tag me in your engine upgrade video!! I'd love to see how your lawn turns out with this beast engine.
If you are attempting this swap the links are in the description but I will post here as well. Currently as of 4/24/23 small engines has this engine going for $450 and brandnewengines has it for $600. I dont know how long the $450 price will last as everything has gone up in price. Any amazon links are affiliate links, but the engine links I do not make money on - at all - I dont have an agreement with these people to send you to their website. I am just giving you a resource for you to use so you dont have to search for it.
If you prefer to search yourself the specification for this engine is: Kohler CV224-3002 Command PRO 11.0 TP 224cc Toro Timemaster 25mm x 3-5/32" w/ Oil Filter - throw that in a google search and you will see tons of websites selling it.
Great video! My plan is to run the Briggs and Stratton (BS) into the ground ... then do this swap. Probably sooner rather than later.
Thanks again.
Great video. You showed me exactly what I was looking for without the fluff. Salute!!!
Much thanks for posting these videos. The engine on my Timemaster was falling apart but with the help of your videos I was able to easily replace it with the Kohler, took only an hour and a half!
excellent!! how are you liking it so far? much better right?
@@atg4469 definitely a game changer - mowed a bunch of yards with it today and all I could say over and over was "wow"! Thanks again!
I'm thinking about this upgrade for my timemaster. This is the best video of its kind -- nice work! Also, the drone footage is just perfect.
Thank you so much! This made my time master a dream machine, it runs so great, it's night and day, you will not regret it
Did mine today, thanks for the videos...FYI, You can remove the black spring that is holding the transmission belt and make it much easier for yourself rather than using the 2x4 block method and wrestling with that transmission/belt combo. Just grab on tight to the black spring with a pair a pliers, pull it out of the holder, and voila! No more transmission blocking/belt to deal with, just put it back together in reverse when ready.
Thanks I really appreciate you making these videos regarding the Briggs to Kohler swap. This is something that I have been considering for some time, but I didn’t have the knowledge/confidence to tackle it.
YOU have given me that!
Thanks again
Nice looking patch of grass. Mower sounds great!
Thanks a million. Just swapped the 190cc on a 2016 TM and your video was a great help and gave me the confidence to do it.
Fantastic, glad to hear it!
Coming from a Timemaster owner, I can verify that the B&S engine would have bogged down after 2-3 swipes on that type of tall wet grass.
It's night and day man trust me. Toro should offer the command pro as an optional upgrade from factory.
@@atg4469 appreciate the videos and info. I've been frustrated with the Timemaster since I bought it. I'm definitely thinking of making the switch.
You sir are the man. I've had my time master since 2013 the 190cc. Thank God I do all repairs myself if not I'd be broke. I've bandaided this engine way too many times. Minute it's hot it shuts down. Thanks a million for the review. I shall consider your recommendation. BTW I cut on A height. Im in Florida and have St. Augustine grass. ✌️ My friend.
Thanks for watching, I think that's a good option. This spring season I've noticed my grass is literally healthier because the cut is much neater and more consistent. It has a better vaccum and it leaves no stragglers. Even the grass matted down from the wheel paths are pulled up. I have struggled for many years with that underpowered Briggs and I don't think ppl realize what a peace of junk it really is. For the money Toro really should just give the cv224 out of the box.
I think for your grass type, you won't be disappointed. Would love to see a follow up vid if you ever decide to change out the engine with your comparison
@@atg4469 I have two 30" Time master. I'm thinking this week I may order this. I'll stay in touch with you on the swap.
@@capeman10 perfect, if you run into trouble please take a video and tag me and I'll make a video back to try and help out
@@atg4469 I've placed a new head gasket on the junker I found. I started it and will video it cutting. The 224 Kohler is still on board. I'm going to ship local and check out the price.
@@capeman10 excellent keep me posted
Thanks for all the info I just picked up one of these mowers at an auction for 70 bucks and can’t wait to play with it haven’t brought it home yet to see what it needs but if it needs an engine I know what to put in it.
Great video! Lots of camera angles I like that, I have the 21” self propelled toro commercial I’m thinking on doing the same swap
Ty brother. Scag has a 21 inch with this engine attached to it. I think if you did this swap on a 21 inch I would be EXTREMELY interested to see the result. I'm sure it would be a beast.
😅 Im pretty much sold on that kohler pro just because of the all metal engine housing
Lmao I know right, imagine a manufacturer not using plastic for an engine of all things..
Nice video. They are 1,600 now. Nice to know the 10.0 Briggs is under powered. I have 2 8.75s they are underpowered.
I did see that.. A shame
The blue foam thing saved my engine after my toddler son dumped sand in the gas tank lol
Oh man this made me laugh out loud, you gotta love kids hahahahaha, well listen at the end of the day he was getting hands on experience young. Good on you. Lots of kids these days can't even identify the starter cord!
very interesting! The weak point of the original Timemaster is that the grass sticks and blocks the mower deck...and the reputation of not good for tall grass. Did you observe a difference now? Is your machine able to work well with tall grass and in the collection mode in the basket?
Yes, partially the deck clogs because of the shallowness of the deck but also the airflow pattern. It can be mitigated to a degree by using slip plate graphite coating and/or lawnmower spray lubricant which I believe is silicone. Some people use Teflon or ceramic coating. I typically mitigate the clogging by raising the deck to the highest setting and using side discharge, then going back over in the same setting and mulching. Then I would go to the next setting down and sidr discharge and go down incrimentally with side discharge taking off bit by bit. I never clog like that. But if I have to mulch I would make sure the grass isn't wet or ensure I have a deck coating. Now since the geometry of the deck hasn't changed theoretically if is the same risk of clogging. That being said I noticed on the Briggs engine that mulching DRY grass would bog down. In this video I showed that I mulched overgrown damp to wet grass and there was no bogging - I did not follow my typical pattern of raising the deck with side discharge and mowing, I just set it to c which is 3.25 inches and went straight to mulching and the machine never boggs down. I do have slip plate graphite coating on the bottom of the deck here but in my honest opinion I like gumout deck coating better. The slip plate doesn't work well in my opinion. I also wash out my deck after each cutting (total cutting of the entire lawn, not each pass).
Hope I gave some insight. Also yes it works well with the bagging as well.
Try just lifting the front wheels off the ground slightly when mowing in tall stuff...works like a charm.
I did this as well. Night and day difference.
The blue sponge in the TT-30 catch dirt while you have your gas cap off.
Lol what you said it's 100% accurate and true. But the engineers who designed also put a fuel filter. isn't that why they have a fuel filter?
Thank you. I have a little less than 1/2acre to cut on my property but my side yard is a slight incline (5~10* maybe) and the Briggs is definitely underpowered. It blew the oil seal a month after warranty ran out (right on queue). Replaced it but after a year later, the engine is running very rough. After watching your video, I'm not even going to attempt to diagnose and repair it. I ordered the Kohler today (it's still $450).
A question... what did you end up doing with the kill stitch? I have electric start and I'm thinking I just remove it altogether (never worked all that well on the Briggs anyway) and just use the throttle/chock lever.
Thank you so much for watching!! In regard to the kill switch, I ended up just not using it at all. It isnt worth the time and the energy to splice it back in because the yellow lever acts like a kill switch.
the blue foam is a splash guard. gas cap was terrible on those, gas would start to leaking out the top if you took the foam out. I know trust me :/
Thank you for a nice video. Would you mind tell me where did you get the engine and cost of it? Thanks.
@@mitchdzik9420 the link is in description, the price fluctuates. Anywhere from 450 to 600
Very nice video.. did you also Change out the two idler pulleys to the upgraded ones as they always blow out also.
Yes I did
Always blow out?..I've been running mine 5 years commercially with no issues.
replacing my engine now, the original briggs just wont stay running, took it apart completely twice, replace head gaskets, check valves, everything, has low compression. My dilemma is do I get a Kawasaki or a Kohler? Kawasakis make great engines I know, I've heard mixed reviews on Kohlers. I know the Kohlers have more hp, but I dont need that much more HP, have 8000k of bermuda and cut dry everytime
I'm biased brother, I recommend the Kohler. Better to have the horse power than to be in a bind. You never know the future. Could have an emergency where you can't cut the lawn and it becomes overgrown or worse you have no choice but to cut it wet.
This inspires me to find someone to swap my hrc216 with a gxv390 or at least something woth 240cc. Then that small mower can cut a foot worth of southern grass lol
When you do it tag me, modding mowers to work as we expect them to should be a thing and maybe these corporations will catch on and make better models for homeowners
It’s all fucking metal lol loved that
How much heavier is the mower, and how much more difficult is it to turn, with the Kohler engine?
It is heavier due to the construction but it's not that much heavier to be honest. It's not more difficult to turn at all. If anything the weight distribution feels a bit better. It's more balanced when tipping for oil change, it's more balanced when cleaning out the deck. It's more balanced when I have to lift it up slightly to turn. The weight is neglible honestly but I can describe it as being better balanced on the deck itself. The lawn mower feels "made in America" if you catch my drift. It doesn't feel flimsy anymore.
Are you tipping the Kohler to change oil or undoing the square drain plug?
Any clumping issues with the wet grass??
Clumping was improved, basically eliminated.. the engine has more power and generates more air flow.
Does the blade engagement feature still work as it did with the old Briggs engine? I didn’t see where you had to unhook or reconnect that?
Yes it works the same way
Any tip on an engine for the exmark or toro 30 inch commercial swap?
I don't quite understand what you're asking. Can you be a bit more specific on what you're looking for? The commercial Toro is the exact same mower as this. Uses the same deck. So this swap is identical. In regard to the exmark I believe it's also the same. But I'm unsure
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How long did it take you to do the swap from start to finish?
@@juanarredondo18 I was recording so it took me longer. But the entire process is very straight forward. It's three bolts. It takes 10-15 minutes if you are optimized. More realistic is 30 mins
@@atg4469 oh wow, I was anticipating much longer. I have the 190cc and head gasket is blown along with other motor issues. Have been on the fence swapping for a while but now I don’t have much of a choice. Hoping to get it ordered this week.
any tips on removing the pulleys? i dont really understand the squeeze thing you showed??
When looking from underneath the mower there are two belts. The blade belt and the transmission belt. The belts are round so there are two sides. If you are trying to remove the transmission belt squeeze both sides together to make them touch each other. Then using a piece of wood behind the transmission leverage the transmission by pushing it forward then there should be more slack in the belt you just pinched together and it should come off. The blade belt should be slack and have no tension because you have to use a blade clutch to engage it so it should be loose by default. If my explanation makes sense please let me know, if not I will make a video
The command pro for me has a very weak Transmission, these 30s are hit and miss if it's not a problem with the belts there is a problem with the cables
hmmm what do you mean by that? the transmission is a separate component correct me if i am wrong? I will say though that the belts and cables ARE a problem and need adjustment too often in my opinion
Do you know if the Kohler command cv12.5s engine will it fit the time master?
I'm not sure. The spec I left in the description box. If you have a link to the engine you're looking at, post it, and I'll review and get back to you. My gut feeling is no. But it's not out of the realm of possibility as long as the keyway and the bolting pattern matches. Theoretically you could bolt anything thing on as long as you're willing to drill the deck.
Man might as well buy the truff master and save some money
Turf master is still more expensive
Anyone do an oil and filter change on this engine ? What method used? drainplug,tipping, or suction thru dipstick?
i always do suction through dipstick. Even for cars lol
Hey i have a guy doing mine where did you get the throttle level
the throttle level comes attached to this model. which model number did you get that doesn't have a throttle lever??
@atg4469 hey have you had problems with the transmission since the swap
@@Clip5299 no, make sure the ball bearings in your wheels are lubricated with some sort of silicone spray. A lot of times your wheels can get clogged with dirt and then your transmission has to work against that.
Where you get the new engine?
I ordered it. Link in description. If it doesn't work let me know
Will this swap work on timemaster 20199? 190cc briggs and stratton engine
yes
yes and in fact you need this engine. the 190 is a horrible engine and severely underpowered. I went from the 223 cc and even that felt underpowered.
On the Briggs ans stratton engine there is a drain plug located on the bottom near the crank shaft. I just bought the mower and ordered a drain hose for fast and easy oil changes. Has anyone pulled this plug out to make sure it is actually a plug for the oil? I cannot find anything online or in the manual about it and I have not hit the 5 hour mark for the first oil change yet.
I used an oil extractor.. Most people tip the engine. I don't know of the drain plug you're referring to but I recommend oil extractors. Nothing is easier.
@@atg4469 I have one that I have to use for my Audi, but do not want to have to use and clean it each time if I don't have too. If you tip the mower up and look up in the compartment that has the transmission you can see it. It is a black drain plug with a box end on it.
@@peterpowers4851 I am at work now, when I get home I'll check becuase I still have the old engine. I'll pull the plug and see what happens and post back
@@atg4469 that would be awesome, thank you so much
@@peterpowers4851 I don't have any plug near the bottom near the crankshaft. I just have the oil fill location which is where I put an oil extractor in. I use the same oil extractor for all equipment and cars. I just wape with a rag after each use and I've never had an issue for years. I recommend you just drain with the oil extractor it's clean and fast
Underpowered for sure.
That grass wasn't 8" brother....
Lol next time I'll use a ruler
If you have to do all of this just buy another mower....
This was made for owners of the machine who want to do something without breaking the bank. The process is actually extremely simple. "all of this" is literally three bolts on the bottom of the deck. It's really not that big of a deal.
Lastly this mower isn't all that bad, there are some advantages of doing this. Number 1 it's cheaper to do this than buy a new mower. Ferris 15, Turf master, and scag 30 are all WAY MORE expensive than swapping out to the motor those machines use. WHY SPEND 1500, when you could spend 500? This is actually a way of having a good machine but spending less money. Number 2, putting this mower on the machine while keeping the other good aspects of the time master is beneficial. You maintain the personal pace, lightweight, easy to maneuver, 30 inch cutting deck machine and make it more capable.
I understand your sentiment, appreciate you watching the vid, but understand there is a market for everyone
@@atg4469 I own this mower. I wouldnt' dare put another engine on it and have over $2,000+ grand invested in it. Just buy the commercial version.
Did you ever hear of the thirds rule in cutting grass?..you never cut more than a 3rd of the length of the grass...if you're deck height was at 3 1/4 there's NO WAY that grass was 8 inches.
The rule of thirds doesnt prove or disprove the height. It's the rule for cutting healthy grass. My mower was down for weeks and it was not cut. Out of the 1000s of views this video has, this is the first comment claiming the grass wasn't what I said it was. It's clear in the vid that the grass is extremely long. 8 inch grass isn't 16 inch grass that went to seed lol.
Either way, I agree with the rule of thirds, it was a torture test and I said that in the video
Thanks for watching brother
@@atg4469 just going by the vid, you can clearly see its not...typical man claiming something is bigger than what it really is...I feel ya man.
@@Browns4life no problem brother, thanks for watching