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Tracking & Plugin BEAST - How to use it as both with the press of one button - Warm Audio WA73-EQ
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I'm falling in love with my Warm Audio WA73-EQ more every tracking and mixing session. One main reason is, I love that I can use it on the front end of my tracking or as a plugin/insert for my DAW. And the Warm Audio WA73-EQ is a beast at doing both! In this video I show how I setup my WA73 to be used both ways.
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just bought the wa273. and its my first analog piece of gear! thanks for the tutorial. literally nothing else on YT with a video on how to route this for both! you should do more of these!
Awesome! I'm glad the video helped! I laid in bed many hours thinking of how to get the most out of it because I love how it sounds. I was skeptical about running it this way, thinking it might effect the sound quality somehow, but after multiple test, it sounds great! Enjoy your wa273, it's a fantastic unit!
We’re friends now! This was helpful af. I will defend you in battle if ever there comes a time.
Haha! Thank you! Glad this video was helpful!
Just picked up this unit and I can't wait to try this. This just made me stoked to get in there. I have a WA-2A on the send returns of the EQ which brings this to a whole new level. I might add my WA76 for dual compression option.... forgot how much I missed hardware.... thank you
Excellent! Happy tracking/mixing!
Nice Tutorial! I have done this on my drum tacking and call it "Post-Pre Amping" - the pre adds so much color and clarity (between a TB12 or a WA73EQ, best of both worlds!). Plus its nice to be able to clean up the track (gates, filtering, mild eq/comp) before it hits the preamp - creates a great sounding clean tracks/stems). A cost-effective game-changer! Cheers!
Absolutely! I agree with everything you said! Takes a little extra time to print the drums, but in the final mix it's fantastic!
The examples of the recordings of the guitars and snare came out real nice, sounded fantastic. Well Done
Thank you!
Most informational video I've watched on outboard gear 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
Many thanks. This video confirmed my purchase of WA73-EQ. Very clear explanations, I will subscribe this channel now.
If you don’t want to connect both outputs simultaneously, you can switch the routing in the vst connections when you want to change over
I've just purchased this 73 online and doing the youtube thing...I never thought to use it for both applications without changing setups. Nice video, I like the way you explain things for novice to pro, without throwing the interest away by being too simple. Very straightforward and one to save in my Audio Playlist. Thanks!
I never leave UA-cam comments BUT your video has helped me figure out once and for all what I was doing wrong with my routing for external hardware into Ableton. After years of spending a few hours here and there troubleshooting I can finally use this amazing piece of gear to its true potential. A great big thank you my friend. Subscribed!
That makes me happy! I figured there mush be more people out there like me trying to get the most out of our analog gear! I laid in bed many nights routing in my head to figure out the best way to set up my analog rack! Glad this video helped and thank you for the sub! :)
I just purchased a wa 73 eq,i am waiting for it,and your video is colossal!i am learning. Thanks!!!
I love the unit so much! I use it on anything I track with a microphone! Such great bang for buck too!
Really handy tip that is easy to understand. You just got a new subscriber
Thanks you for watching! Glad it helped!
Thanks a lot .. that’s worth it enough.. to be used like an send return unit !!! Add the fact that’s a great device for any insert mic or instrument!
It works to be my next unit to buy.
Your video is very handy and well worked .. thanks
Thank you for the very helpful video, I recently got my WA73 and haven't put it through its paces yet, mostly because I couldn't figure out how to use it as an insert. Keep up the great content 👍
Congrats on your new purchase! Glad the video was helpful and thanks for watching!
Warm overview 👾 niceone , I’m thinking about stepping up tracking signal quality and getting a preamp… glad I found your channel.
I do the same thing through a pair of Neve clones as well. Besides re-amping I put it on the 2 bus after a SSL clone compressor.
Nice! I bet that sounds great and adds some color!
Very helpful! Thank you :)
Very helpful,great content !
Thanks for watching!
Clever! Thanks for sharing!
You are so welcome!
This was an amazing video, exactly what I was looking for thank you 👏👏
great explanation and thanks!
Great Video, thanks man!
Thank you for watching!
Great video! Can you use an Apollo Twin X instead of the focusrite as the interface??
Looks like you should be able to. You'd go out of Output 3 and into Input 2 for the "plugin" part of it.
@@ZachWirchak Thank you!! Trying it out soon! 💯🙌🏾
You explain it the best. Do you have one explaining recording levels for recording vocals. I just bought the wa 87-R2 and the WA73
Thank you! And I don't have a video explaining that yet. But I am experimenting with the way I'm been using it recently. I've been using my Warm Audio compressor as an Insert with the WA-73.
Question 🙋♂️ do you like the sound of hardware over plugins of the same gear?
I personally do... to my ears, with the hardware I have vs the plugins that they are modeled after, the hardware sounds 5-10% better. That percentage over a bunch of tracks makes a decent difference in the end IMO.
Teach us for stereo too
If you take XLR out of the 73 and go XLR into the Scarlett wouldn’t you be also using the Scarlett’s in built preamps? Wouldn’t you be better to go line in for you front end to bypass the Scarlett’s preamp stage?
I've found the preamps on the 3rd gen scarletts to do very little to no coloring with the preamps. I'd say 95+% of the color I get while recording is coming from the WA73 & WA76. I also think that if you use the 1/4" you're still using the circuitry that the XLR uses. I also always start with "Air" turned off when using the WA73 & WA76 so I'm getting the most transparent sound/signal from the scarlett. But I've been super happy with the sound I'm able to get from the WA73! Would absolutely recommend!
Thanks for the great video. I really enjoyed it. Just wondering, could you not just run the balanced 1//4" TRS line level output from the 1073 to your interface, thus bypassing the pre amps in your interface (assuming the interface is set to 'line')? I have a UAD, so perhaps it is different. Or, maybe you are running two outputs simultaneously? Thanks again for the great video!
Very informative, thank u. I saw in another video of yours that has this simultaneous set up going through the wa76. Did u use both xlr and trs inputs and outputs in that scenario too? Was there any sound detrements ran this way?
So I use just an XLR between the WA73 and WA76. Then on the output of the WA76 I have both. XLR running to the front end of my audio interface, and the 1/4" to my interface input 3 for using it as a plugin/insert in my DAW. I tested it before deciding to do it this way and I've noticed ZERO change in in the quality of sound. I love that I can use it this way. People have asked why I just don't track with input 3 when recording, but with Cubase if you have a external fx setup, then that in/out is disabled from use. So it's just easier for me and more flexible to have it being sent to 2 different inputs.
intelligence appreciated
How do you use the rear xlr on the wa73? Just got mine, and I’m not getting any signal from rear xlr, only the front xlr. Any tips?
Do you have them both plugged in at the same time by chance? If so unplug the front and test the rear XLR. Other than that, just make the sure the "Line" button isn't pressed when checking the rear XLR. Let me know if that helps!
Make a vid on how to do the plugin routing
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do u get a phasing issue when you use it as a plug in? i tried that with my tascam dp 24 and when i run it back in its slightly off from everything else, if i try to run the new snare sound with the original in parallel they phase really bad
I haven't had any phase issues with it. I also haven't ran a printed track thru the WA73 with the original track to check phase. Cubase adjusts for any latency with offboard gear, so I'm sure that helps a lot.
What about for vocals? Where do I plug my mic so I can use the WA73 as a plug-in?
You would plug in the mic on the front end XLR. You can then monitor it in your DAW while it's loaded up at an external fx on your track. Or you can add it as a plugin after you've already tracked your vocals.
@@ZachWirchak ohhhh! Thank you!!!
@@YSBG_ No problem! Best of luck!
Curious why you use both outputs ... why not loop it through 1 input/output? Wouldn't it still all work the same? ALSO, have you used the INSERT function at all? I'm so curious about that and how levels would work.
The main reason is w/ Cubase if you setup an external FX, it then makes it so you cannot use that for any other inputs. So if I had input 1 assigned to the WA73 as a "plugin", then I wouldn't be able to use input 1 for tracking. And since on my Focusrite 18i20 3rd gen, I have both input 1 and 2 on the front, I use those for stereo recording and I wouldn't want the WA73 signal chain one side and not the other.
Also, I have not used the insert on the WA73 yet. But I think I might switch to using my WA76 in that fashion, or at least try it.
Wouldn't that send audio to the line input on channel 3 of your interface at the same time you're using the inputs on the front? Why not just use the line out for all and just change the i/o as out 3 and in on 1 of the focusrite?
Great question! The main reason I have it setup this way, is because once you assign an external device in Cubase, you can't select it as a track input. So since I have it setup as a "plugin", I can no longer choose input 3 for a track source to record. There are ways to record it into Cubase with input 3, but it's just easier to use it on the front end into input 1. Or at least for my workflow it works perfectly.
What about adding compressors ?
Thanks for this info, it was difficult to find information on this. Regarding the mic inputs, can you not use the one on the back of the unit? It is labeled "mic" so I assume you cannot plug in a line level source to it. And if the Line button is pressed, it should turn that input off as well, no? Or am I wrong? I only ask cause I prefer to not have a mic cables coming out of the front of this.
Is there a reason you use the XLR output for the mic/bass and 1/4" output for when you are using as an FX? Just wondering as I'd rather use just the one input on my audio interface for both uses... thanks!
Hey Zach great content. Thanks for these good 💎 you’re putting out. I have a question for you, do you use balanced or unbalanced TRS cables for that set up? Thanks in advance.
Thank you for the kind words! I use balanced TRS cables for all my patching on my off board gear.
Yalready know 💯💯. Thanks again, keep doing what you’re doing bro.
@@mjayo2468 Thank you so much! Glad I could help!
as far as I know, both will work on Line in and outputs. Some recording engineers recommend TS cables for the Line connections. I have heard that for short cable connections there is no quality difference, for longer cables TS can cause some problems. I hope that is correct what I have heard!?
Do you have any issues doubling up on the preamps? Since you can't bypass the Scarlett's? I know they're pretty transparent but wondered if that's caused problems at all? Thanks for the video!
I have not had any issues with it. Like you said, they are pretty transparent to begin with. But I love the color I can get from this preamp alot!
I'm having a hard time being able to use de line in. The preamp and eq works great while tracking but I just don't seem to be able to use the wa73eq as an insert without distorting the crap out of it. Do you have to use the line out trs instead of the xlr to make it work?!
It should work with either output you choose. I personally use the TRS when using it as an insert. What DAW and interface do you use? Do you have the ability to adjust the send and receive level when using it as an insert? The level adjustments I look at when using it as an insert are the send level from the DAW, the preamp level, the output level and then the return level in the DAW. I rarely have to touch the send and return from the DAW.
@@ZachWirchak today I spent a couple hours in the studio troubleshooting the thing and it all comes down to cables... Might have do re-do the all thing and see if there is a bad one. I found funny thought that I had more output thought the trs than the xlr but yeah, both work. Thank you!
Thanks for a rather detailed review, but I didn’t understand this points: if the line button is pressed, does input and output (TRS jack) works or only input works? And if its not pressed, does the input and output (XLR) works? And in what case does the rear xlr-input (mic-input) works?
Sorry for the delayed response! The line button only changes the input from XLR to Line. For example, I have my XLR output going to Input 1 on my Focusrite and the TRS going to Input 3 on my Focusrite. When I'm tracking on the front end or using it as a plugin, I see meter moving on both my Input 1 and 3 on my Focusrite. I hope that helps? If not let me know!
Hey Zach. Thanks so much for the video. I have to 2 questions if that's ok? So are you using both line outputs from both channels? Cause there's and trs option and an xlr option. Why are there 2. I'm using xlr to trs for the xlr output option and im using trs to trs for the line input because that's the only option available for the input. Also, what are the unbalanced insert send and returns for? Im running all of my gear into a patch bay. Thanks for your help man.
For my setup I am using both outputs. The 1/4" output I use for my "plug in" loop and the XLR I use for my front end recording. Those sends and returns are for inserting another piece of gear (like a compressor). There is a button on the front that will engage that loop. If I remember correctly it places the insert after the preamp? Let me know if that answers your question!
If I'm using two microphones for the guitar amps could I plug in the second mic on the back of the WA73 that says MIC INPUT all the way to the right?
Hmmm.... I have never tried that. The main issue you might run into if it does work, then you'll have just one signal coming out instead of two.
Since it is a MONO preamp, that will not work. The front XLR mic input jack is just to give you more choice wether you want to use the front or the back. Most preamps have only XLR connections at the back. Warm Audio made it easy to connect a mic at the front very easy. If you need to use 2 mics, then better buy the Warm Audio WA 273 EQ, that is a twin preamp with same features and same layout.
Great Video! Does WA-73EQ have long life and internal quality build? Some people say it dies after - year and the switches are crooked? Is that true?
Thank you! For the time I've had mine, it's been like brand new. I use it a fair amount too. But mine has also never left the rack since I've owned it. I'm pretty confident that it'll last for many years to come.
@@ZachWirchak thank you!
@@vindsoft No problem!
Hi Zach! Have you compared the sound of the instrument input of this unit vs. a direct box straight to your interface to capture electric guitar/bass? Your "input" would be gladly appreciated!
I have! It was only an ear test, I didn't pull up an EQ to see what difference there was. But from what I noticed once I got a proper level from both, was the WA73 had more color to it. Not an over the top color, but it felt like it had more depth. I tested it with electric guitar and bass, and it was more noticeable on the clean bass guitar. They both were set with zero EQ and the tone button not engaged. I'm a big fan of the tone button on the unit, I have it engaged about 99% of the time. But where I think this unit really runs away with it, is I've recently used it for voice.... and that is it's sweet spot for me. Vocals or voice over into the WA73 and then into the WA76... it's amazing. The signal into the DAW is outstanding. Before I'd always go right into the interface and then slap some plugins on the track. That is my honest "input" on the unit!
@@ZachWirchak Thanks for the quick reply!
Hello, I just purchased one of these a few days ago, and I am having trouble connecting it to my interface to record vocals, should I try following the first set of instructions in the video?
The best way to do it would be to run the mic into the unit, make sure the 'Line' button is NOT PRESSED, then you'll want to set your level which is the red knob. Then you'll want to make sure your output level is at a good level. Then you want to run out of one of the outputs on the back to your interface. Then your final level adjustment will be on the actual interface itself. Sorry for the delayed response, but I hope you've had luck with it!
@@ZachWirchak Hello, Thanks for the response! I really appreciate it and so far I haven't been able to get it set up properly but I am going to follow these steps and give it a try. Thanks again I really do appreciate it this has been a huge headace since I am new to external equipment. I'll be sure to let you know how it goes!
@@johnnyjackson6138 Let me know if you have any luck with it!
So that mean we can't have 2 setup on one device.
If I want to use it like plugins I will set up only for plugins? Or there is another way to do it like record vocals and use it sale time like plugins? Because I don't understand it well
When using it like a plugin - Once you have it dialed in on a vocal track and I love the way it sounds, I export that vocal track solo so it mates/prints the Preamp/EQ to the track. Then you can reimport it to the project and it will keep that sound. Then you can move on to the next track, etc. It's more time consuming than using a digital plugin, but it most all the time can/will sound better.
BUT, if I were to track vocals, I'd suggest getting the sound you want on the front end when recording them. And then fine tuning with digital/in the box plugins.
@@ZachWirchak OK I understand now,I'm using to record vocals only , now I will get 2 trs line and start using it like plugins too.record done and switch it to plugins mode for mixing 👍🏾
so we don't need XLR cable when we want record vocals, or it's 2 setup? I mean XLR line for vocals, and the 2 trs for plugins mode right
"One Gear 2 setup?" sorry 🙏🏾 I'm disturbing you.i just want to learn from you, cause I never use analog gear before tkx bro
@@future_Victoryofficial You'll want 2 XLR's and 2 1/4" patch cables.
1 XLR will be from the microphone to the front input on the preamp. This is for when you're actively recording your lines. And the other XLR will go from your output on the preamp to your audio interface.
To run it like a plugin in you'll want 1 1/4" patch cable going from an output on your interface to the 1/4" input on the back of the preamp. Then you'll run the other 1/4" patch cable from the 1/4" output on the preamp to an input on your audio interface.
Depending on your setup, you could run it all on 1 input on your interface. You just wouldn't ever be able to track with it and have it active as a plugin at the same time. For example, if i'm tracking guitar, I get a signal sent to input #1 and input #3. Input #1 is from the front end of the preamp (the XLR in and XLR out on the preamp). My input #3 is the one I us for the plugin, that is being fed by the active guitar XLR on the front and the patch cable on the back. Aka, the XLR and patch cable output on the preamp are both sending a signal to their respective inputs on the audio interface. That might be a little more confusing, but that's why I left it out of the video. Hope all that helps!
does it have to be virtual instrument or can it be a recorded signal to use as a plugin because the wa73 recieves signal but i can't eq or adjust any of the settings while in play back
Should work with any (mono) signal you are playing from your DAW. I've used it as a plugin on real guitars, bass, snare and vocals. I assume you have the EQ engaged on the unit itself when playing it back?
@@ZachWirchak yes but nohing comes out as far as sound only see the signal
@@ZachWirchak yes i have eq engaged i got it to work but if i turn it up it starts to feed back any ideas would be great
I have two interfaces recording 16 mics all together. Will getting a mic preamp and running it into the interfaces effect all of these mics? I’m a noob to this. Thanks
Or is it just for one mic. Thanks
If you ran them all to this unit, you would run into two issues. 1) it would effect all the channels with any adjustment you make and 2) which I think is the bigger issue, it is a mono unit so it would only output 1 mono signal. This particular unit if really best used with 1 signal in and out. But if you've got money to spend... you could buy 16 of them or 8 of the two channel versions, then you've have a epic setup!
@@ZachWirchak ok so maybe I’ll start out with getting one two channel version and use it for my drum overheads and for some vocal takes. Then down the road possibly get more. Thank you!
@@larrytate1657 No problem! Let me know what you think of it if you pick up the 2 channel!
HI Zach (or anyone). Thanks for a great video. I've tried following your steps: I've taken 1 of the 2 lines out (TRS 1/4in) from my Scarlett 18i8, into the line in of my WA73-EQ, then TRS out from the WA73 to Line in 5 (TRS 1/4in) in the Scarlett. The 'Line' button on the WA73 is pushed in. I created an External FX in Cubase and inserted it into an audio channel which had been giving out about -10 dBFS. When the FX is active, the volume decreases to a very low level (-20 to -40) and when I increase gain, either in the WA73 or the volume knob on the Scarlett, I get loud feedback. What am I doing wrong?
Hey! Thanks for watching! What output are you running from the 18i8 to the WA73? you'll want to make sure to use 3 or 4. Then in Focusrite control you want to make sure that output 3 or 4 is assigned properly, I believe it should say DAW 3 or 4 depending on what output you are running. But I can confirm when I'm back in front of my recording rig.
@@ZachWirchak Hey it's fixed! Thanks a million Zach! It never occured to me to swap to Output 3-4 as the Focusrite Control Monitor source (there are only 2 physical outputs on the 18i8), although I did add output 3 to the Control's DAW Playback Group and use Output 3 for the External FX. I'm never sure I follow the logic of the Focusrite Control software. It might have more options for a later than 2nd Generation Scarlett.
@@gffWillie That is great to hear! Yeah, Focusrite control took me a few sessions to fully understand it. Best of luck with your WA73!
Hi! Did you also use it on the whole mix as a part of mastering chain?
I do not. Mainly because it's only a mono unit. They do make a stereo version if you wanted to use it on a stereo application.
@@ZachWirchak I see. Do you think it would be O.K. (to buy...) to use it (stereo version) on the whole mix (only three eq positions) or would be better to not fool around and I just go for Manley massive passive EQ? 😀😀 I'm now on plug in's for the mastering stage and I want that special 10%, "the edge". It's just frustrating, so many options ...
@b.hornetiii.6771 if it were between those two, I'd say go with the Manley! But if you're looking for EQ on a bus, the EQP-WAs are great in a stereo pair. I run those with the WA Bus-Comp and I love it. Altho, I am confident the WA73 Stereo would enhance a bus sound if that were the route you wanted to go. I'd also look into the SSL Fusion if I were you.
@@ZachWirchak Thanks ...
Gerat tutorial. I am a drummer and I use a TASCAM Model 24 mixer for my miced up drum set, for live tracking and recording. I am considering to change the mixer for rack gear. I wish to buy preamps, EQ´s and compressors for all my drum mics and want to run it into my DAW with an Apollo x16. Is it the possible to track all the analog gear.......preapms, EQ´s and compressors Live? I want to have a Live sound like I would have on a ready mixed and processed recording, Is that possible? I would not know how to setup the DAW and the signal chain for that!? Thanks
That sounds rad and it's totally do able! I would recommend running them on the front end of the system. That is how you'll see it don't commonly enough. Run each mic into it's dedicated signal chain on the front end and then into the audio interface. Then each track going into your DAW would be processed with the preamp, EQ & compressor. I use my WA73 EQ and WA76 Compressor 90% on the front end, so the starting point with my track in the DAW is that much better sounding and closer to final. 500 series gear is a great option too depending on exactly what you're looking for and it saves space.
@@ZachWirchak Thanks very much for answering Zach. Sounds good. 500 Series gear is really great too. I will save some cash now to buy a nice system.
@@mrsayang Awesome! Let me know what you end up getting down the road!
@@ZachWirchak yes I will
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I never unboxed mine and had planned to return it. I hate to admit that I'm a brand snob, but I'm also a gear slut and you made this unit seem useful and worthy.
My question: should this process be similar with say a Neve Newton paired with an RME UCFIII interface?
You don't have to use both outputs. You could just use one. They are the same signal.
The way I have them set up in my DAW, they run to two different I puts. One goes to the front of my interface and the other to input 3 on the back. I suppose running a splitter cable is an option, but the travel distance in my setup up is pretty different for both inputs. But if someone was running them to the same spot, you're 100% correct tho!
@@ZachWirchak I guess I don't understand why you can't just use same input on your daw? I am not criticizing, just trying to understand.
@@mjsthx1138 oh gotcha! In Cubase, once you setup an input for an external device, you can't access it as a regular input.
@@ZachWirchak Awe I See said the blind man... I was not aware of that. Thanks for the response. Nice video. I liked the graphics. Well done.
@@mjsthx1138 Thanks for watching! This was a fun video to put together with all the graphics!
It's not a microphone LINE.. but a microphone CABLE.....
BUT…
I hate the way solid state preamp sounds with this edgy high midrange pronounced sound .. I got a DBX 286 which used to kill all the warmth and the smoothness of an AT4040 to the point that I thought that the 4040 is worst mic I’ve ever had .. that I put it on Amazon to sell it brand new with half the price to see how I’ve been like deceived and disappointed by that mic than I got the idea of buying others like the WA87 and the AKG C214 and it sounds almost with the same issues .. than i did test of all my mics the problem was more or less pronounced from mic to mic but still there .. I didn’t need to be a genius to figure out that comes from the DBX more I add the drive more it’s there ! I tested all my mics with my Roland Octacapture Amd everything sounded just perfect .. and the 4040 has an unequal sound .. one of the best of my Arsenal on everything I tried it .. and it was the first time I heard all it’s potential as I bought it with the DBX and never tried to test it straight through my interface ..
Now I understood that I need a tube preamp and I’ve heard about the WA73 I’m wondering if this thing would have the same solid state problem! Which is .. a cut edgy agressive sound around 1.5-2khz.. that turn everything unusable for my taste.
This is strange advice... You only need one line output connected, and it is not generally good advice to plug an XLR line out into a Mic amp! Not wise and not necessary!
Thanks for the comment! You can run this same setup with just the 1 output from the preamp, in my case output 3. It works better with my brain having it setup for "front end" use and "plugin use". I'm also curious why you shouldn't run XLR Line out to a Mic Amp (which I assume you mean audio interface?) I've tested it with both line and mic levels to the audio interface from the WA73 and there was zero difference in the two signals.