I was lucky enough to see one of the 421 SD Tempest cars up close and personal, many years ago, very impressive little car, lots of aluminum, and very aggressive sounding little car, never saw it race, the man who owned it was a collector, he’s probably long gone now, wasn’t that young back then, I think it was in the late 80’s, or very early 90’s, he had a large collection of Pontiac Cars from the 60’s, all SD cars as I remember.
You should have had the 73 Firebird formula 455 super duty on the list . These cars had the shaker hood of the Trans Am . Only 43 made and just 10 with a 4 speed.
In the 1971 Pontiac GTO The Judge with the 455 2X 4 barrel with the factory tune-up you were lucky to get 14 miles per Imperial gallon, I did a tune up on one that was getting 8 miles per Imperial gallon, to get up to 14 mpg took 2 cans of carb cleaner to clean it out , they carboned up really back in day-to-day driving and remember, even in Canada we had the 55 mph speed limit, not enough to keep them clean.
Great story , wonderful memory thanks for sharing that with the rest of us… Young folks today could not gap their own spark plugs if their life depended on it…
@@tejastiger61 I was working for a Buick, Pontiac, GMC dealer and had just gotten back from a week long course on how to use the emission tune up equipment and he showed up on the Saturday. I was really glad to help him,I left about month later to join the Canadian Military and spent 17 years in the Engineers and RCAF as an Aero Engine Tech worrking on CF-101 Voodoos, CC-130 Hercules and CC-137 Boeing 707s.
That’s kind of a nice story but Pontiac never made a 71 judge w 2x4 bbl carbs . They were single 4 bbl only . There wasn’t even a 2 x 4 bbl intake made for that at the time. It woukd have had to have been a SD 421 intake which wouldn't fit properly on the intake passages , aftermarket intake and carbs, or a RAV engine w a very very rare one of 4 dual quad pro stock intake Not to mention I have a dead stock 69 350 4 bbl firebird convertible (higher compression ) and tubes properly it gets 21 mpg around town. Beating even my diesel pick up for milage. .
@@jeffp862 Well let's see it was 50 years ago and I've had over 10 concussions from my time in the military, so it's a wonder I still remember my name, so when you've had a life let me know.
I never saw a 71 Judge in person and been to so many shows. They all seem to be 69's. My 71 Cutlass Supreme SX had a 455, 16mpg would be good for me with a 2barrel, but it was tired or it should've been a lot better on gas. I remember those 455 Pontiacs were torque monsters, Buick too, and station wagons were the best place to find one for a donor
Love this video and anything regarding the history of Pontiac and collectible rare cars. Well done! I have a1967 Firebird Convertible which was my Dad's car he purchased in 1971, been in the family since then. A Fun car and gets looks each time I take it for a cruise. Thanks for the work to compile this information.
All 8 1969 Trans Am convertibles were ordered by John Delorean for the 8 Pontiac District Managers in North America. As of today, 4, possibly 5 of them are in the same collection. All RA3, 4 autos, and 4 4speeds. The last one seen in public was the only "triple white" built. It was auctioned at Mecum Kissimmee a few years ago. It may have been sold to the "Brothers Collection" with the other 4 they have.
I would submit one more for your list: in 1962 Pontiac made exactly ONE Daytona Champion, which was an otherwise Grand Prix with a 421 and a 4-speed, but with special badging. It was painted Aztec Gold with a black vinyl top and presented to Fireball Roberts after he won the 1962 Daytona 500. Fireball was a friend of my family, and this car in our driveway always drew a crowd, in Nascar-mad Charlotte. Glenn loved the attention, especially from the kids and always had photos and other memorabilia in hand to sign. I still cherish my memories of him.
The 1970 Ram Air Formula , 1971 and 72 455 HO Formula should have been there, 1968 Firebird RA II, 1969 RA IV Firebird and tons more had lower numbers then some of these listed.
In 1988 I bought a 69 GTO Judge convertible at the Pomona swap meet for $3k at 3am. I smoked some tires around LA for a week before shipping it back to Australia. I moved to the US in 89 & sold it down there for $27k but nobody wanted it because we had to convert cars to right hand drive back then to be road legal & I wasn't about cut it up. It was a nice rust free Colorado car, one of 108 convertibles.
MY buddies 68 Firebird had the 350/265 hp engine and it really ran. The unique thing was that it was a 3 speed/floor manual Hurst. I've often wondered how rare that might have been.
Apparently, Pontiac never trademarked the name or they abandoned the trademark at some point as the "SuperDuty" name has been owned by Ford since about 1998.
There's a real nice one at a house near a restaurant I often go to, and another pretty solid one (but would need a complete restoration) at a junkyard near my dad's house. I never knew they were that rare.
Guess I'll just have to stick with my 1965 Parisienne 2+2 hardtop coupe . She is dark-blue-teal with ivory interior . factory 327 4bbl . Prettiest car of the 1960s (sister to the American Catalina)
The price of a single 4 bbl 390 hp 421 super duty for 1963 was $1,003.91. Seems pretty unlikely that the dual quad from '62 was $2250.00. Where are you getting this number?
This list is not really all that accurate. I have a 1971 Formula 455 HO Ram Air M22 4 speed 3:73 gear car that is Lucerne Blue with a white interior. Only 321 Formula 455's were built in 71. 159 were 4 speeds, 7 were 3 speeds, and the other 155 were automatics. Of the 321 cars only 109 of them had the Ram Air option. Mine is one of those cars and when considering the almost 50/50 ratio of automatics and 4 speeds probably only 50 to 60 of the 4 speed cars had Ram Air. Not many of them came with 3:73 gears either because you could not get air conditioning from the factory with that gear set.
I bought a 74 SD-455 trans am with auto and 308 gears because I wanted AC. I would have preferred a 4 speed. I did change the gear set to 3.73's after warranty and it ran much better. The block off plate on the shaker made it home to the garage before having the rivets drilled and the plate thrown away. The exhaust system went as soon as the warranty was over for glass paks and a real dual exhaust instead of that sideways mess. Some one talked about fuel economy? 6 mpg in town and 12 on the highway. But gas was $.54 so really not too much as issue.
Grand Prix 2 + 2 at 165 hp and the Can Am at 200 Hp were NOT muscle cars. Should have been replaced with a 68 Firebird Ram Air II and a 70 Trans Am with a Ram Air IV. So much for your "experts".
I was lucky enough to see one of the 421 SD Tempest cars up close and personal, many years ago, very impressive little car, lots of aluminum, and very aggressive sounding little car, never saw it race, the man who owned it was a collector, he’s probably long gone now, wasn’t that young back then, I think it was in the late 80’s, or very early 90’s, he had a large collection of Pontiac Cars from the 60’s, all SD cars as I remember.
You should have had the 73 Firebird formula 455 super duty on the list . These cars had the shaker hood of the Trans Am . Only 43 made and just 10 with a 4 speed.
I absolutely like this video pd evolution
In the 1971 Pontiac GTO The Judge with the 455 2X 4 barrel with the factory tune-up you were lucky to get 14 miles per Imperial gallon, I did a tune up on one that was getting 8 miles per Imperial gallon, to get up to 14 mpg took 2 cans of carb cleaner to clean it out , they carboned up really back in day-to-day driving and remember, even in Canada we had the 55 mph speed limit, not enough to keep them clean.
Great story , wonderful memory thanks for sharing that with the rest of us… Young folks today could not gap their own spark plugs if their life depended on it…
@@tejastiger61 I was working for a Buick, Pontiac, GMC dealer and had just gotten back from a week long course on how to use the emission tune up equipment and he showed up on the Saturday. I was really glad to help him,I left about month later to join the Canadian Military and spent 17 years in the Engineers and RCAF as an Aero Engine Tech worrking on CF-101 Voodoos, CC-130 Hercules and CC-137 Boeing 707s.
That’s kind of a nice story but Pontiac never made a 71 judge w 2x4 bbl carbs . They were single 4 bbl only . There wasn’t even a 2 x 4 bbl intake made for that at the time. It woukd have had to have been a SD 421 intake which wouldn't fit properly on the intake passages , aftermarket intake and carbs, or a RAV engine w a very very rare one of 4 dual quad pro stock intake Not to mention I have a dead stock 69 350 4 bbl firebird convertible (higher compression ) and tubes properly it gets 21 mpg around town. Beating even my diesel pick up for milage. .
@@jeffp862 Well let's see it was 50 years ago and I've had over 10 concussions from my time in the military, so it's a wonder I still remember my name, so when you've had a life let me know.
I never saw a 71 Judge in person and been to so many shows. They all seem to be 69's. My 71 Cutlass Supreme SX had a 455, 16mpg would be good for me with a 2barrel, but it was tired or it should've been a lot better on gas. I remember those 455 Pontiacs were torque monsters, Buick too, and station wagons were the best place to find one for a donor
Love this video and anything regarding the history of Pontiac and collectible rare cars. Well done! I have a1967 Firebird Convertible which was my Dad's car he purchased in 1971, been in the family since then. A Fun car and gets looks each time I take it for a cruise. Thanks for the work to compile this information.
All 8 1969 Trans Am convertibles were ordered by John Delorean for the 8 Pontiac District Managers in North America. As of today, 4, possibly 5 of them are in the same collection. All RA3, 4 autos, and 4 4speeds. The last one seen in public was the only "triple white" built. It was auctioned at Mecum Kissimmee a few years ago. It may have been sold to the "Brothers Collection" with the other 4 they have.
Awesome Video loved it. Thanks so much for sharing 💯✌️
I have a 72 Lemans GT 400 only 613 ever produced.
I would submit one more for your list: in 1962 Pontiac made exactly ONE Daytona Champion, which was an otherwise Grand Prix with a 421 and a 4-speed, but with special badging. It was painted Aztec Gold with a black vinyl top and presented to Fireball Roberts after he won the 1962 Daytona 500. Fireball was a friend of my family, and this car in our driveway always drew a crowd, in Nascar-mad Charlotte. Glenn loved the attention, especially from the kids and always had photos and other memorabilia in hand to sign. I still cherish my memories of him.
The 1970 Ram Air Formula , 1971 and 72 455 HO Formula should have been there, 1968 Firebird RA II, 1969 RA IV Firebird and tons more had lower numbers then some of these listed.
I drove a friend's 69 Trans am 400 4 speed. Fast car.
In 1988 I bought a 69 GTO Judge convertible at the Pomona swap meet for $3k at 3am. I smoked some tires around LA for a week before shipping it back to Australia. I moved to the US in 89 & sold it down there for $27k but nobody wanted it because we had to convert cars to right hand drive back then to be road legal & I wasn't about cut it up. It was a nice rust free Colorado car, one of 108 convertibles.
MY buddies 68 Firebird had the 350/265 hp engine and it really ran. The unique thing was that it was a 3 speed/floor manual Hurst. I've often wondered how rare that might have been.
I knew. As
Guy with a 69 Judge. With a three speed stick
I got to see a really rare firebird don’t remember the year but think 70’s but with the paint job it was a 1/3 or 1/1 car ever made
I've never even seen a picture of an Aero Gran Prix. The rear glass was standard on the Impala.
No. It wasn’t even close to the wrap around Impala back glass. If anything it was close to the 3rd generation F body rear hatch glass.
It was the same as (or very similar to) the back glass on the Monte Carlo Aerocoupe. Not an Impala.
I knew guy who made a 71
judge into a stock car!
I had a 67 grand prix with 421 4 speed 411 r end factory
I don't know how Ford got away with calling their big pickups "Superduty" as the name belongs to Pontiac.
Apparently, Pontiac never trademarked the name or they abandoned the trademark at some point as the "SuperDuty" name has been owned by Ford since about 1998.
Pontiac never made it official Ford made it a trademark they have the rights to the superduty logo they paid for it Pontiac didn't
Saw the Aero coup as an every day driver in Indiana
There was a Grand Prix 2+2 in my neighborhood back in the day. Used to park around the corner from my house.
There's a real nice one at a house near a restaurant I often go to, and another pretty solid one (but would need a complete restoration) at a junkyard near my dad's house. I never knew they were that rare.
Really a rarest Pontiac video that doesn’t cover the RAIV firebird best power to weight ration Pontiac ever built. , or the RAV engine program. .
Guess I'll just have to stick with my 1965 Parisienne 2+2 hardtop coupe . She is dark-blue-teal with ivory interior . factory 327 4bbl . Prettiest car of the 1960s (sister to the American Catalina)
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The price of a single 4 bbl 390 hp 421 super duty for 1963 was $1,003.91. Seems pretty unlikely that the dual quad from '62 was $2250.00. Where are you getting this number?
This list is not really all that accurate. I have a 1971 Formula 455 HO Ram Air M22 4 speed 3:73 gear car that is Lucerne Blue with a white interior. Only 321 Formula 455's were built in 71. 159 were 4 speeds, 7 were 3 speeds, and the other 155 were automatics. Of the 321 cars only 109 of them had the Ram Air option. Mine is one of those cars and when considering the almost 50/50 ratio of automatics and 4 speeds probably only 50 to 60 of the 4 speed cars had Ram Air. Not many of them came with 3:73 gears either because you could not get air conditioning from the factory with that gear set.
I bought a 74 SD-455 trans am with auto and 308 gears because I wanted AC. I would have preferred a 4 speed. I did change the gear set to 3.73's after warranty and it ran much better. The block off plate on the shaker made it home to the garage before having the rivets drilled and the plate thrown away. The exhaust system went as soon as the warranty was over for glass paks and a real dual exhaust instead of that sideways mess. Some one talked about fuel economy? 6 mpg in town and 12 on the highway. But gas was $.54 so really not too much as issue.
What about the Yenko Trans-am?
That woukd be really rare since yenko was a CHEVY dealer not a Pontiac dealer . Those were Camaros.
What about Europe cars ?!❤❤❤
Nothing about 71x5 gt37
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It might have been a low production car and rare but it was far from being a true muscle car...
Anything from the 1980s (or late 1970s) should be excluded. No matter how rare, GM cars from this time were utter crap.
Did you read the title of the video? Did you? It says “rare”. The video doesn’t say anything about performance!
Legend has it rare performance was a Pontiac thing
Grand Prix 2 + 2 at 165 hp and the Can Am at 200 Hp were NOT muscle cars. Should have been replaced with a 68 Firebird Ram Air II and a 70 Trans Am with a Ram Air IV. So much for your "experts".
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some of those r very slow cars by todays standards that is
67 Z/28 is the rarest and its not even on there , what kind of list is this ?
Never heard of a Pontiac Z-28!😅 That would be a rare car!!!😂
@@eddiestanley135it's cousin is a yenko Buick Fire Am SS/WS4 😂😂😂