I know the Shadow in the Warp can fail against some enemies but Synapse is such a great rule for passing all the leadership tests (and also getting more strength)
forgot about the str part, didnt play since the change. so yeah, true. the LD buff is only partly true, since they all got worse LD to account for that. it's a small buff compared to having ld -1 innately.
@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber Chaos knights can be on the same lvl with GSC (i play both). The first two rounds you just didn't get the most of buffs (-1 to hit, +1 to wound). But also opponent can just pass all BS tests and just go kill you. Or even just spend 1 CP for most valuable unit, or got Chaplain denying the BS.
Started the army during 8th, only finished building enough since the codex release. Played around 5 games now and really struggling, getting board wiped by Tau & Space marines. Tried variations of Xenocreed, 3 trucks with 30 metamorphs. Going to try out 30 genestealers in their detachment in a few weeks time. Played for fun 3rd-5th edition, competitive during 8th with Ynari. This is a high skill cap army and I find myself forgetting rules on the fly. I'm just gonna have to rewatch some of your videos and keep playing 👍, but it's tough to have fun when you're always losing
I personally want the rule to change to something like you need to get a higher result than they battle round, so battle round 1 is 2+ but battle round 4 is a 5+ (i say that after the faq that let's you return even if a marker is gone) But for that there will be no plus to the roll
I'd like the idea of a Malstrain Genestealer equivalent, that's a product of Biophagus scientists tinkering with the DNA of Genestealers to produce weird variants. Very "Twisted Helix". Maybe the unit could have an ability where, during deployment (so, AFTER you see the opponent's list), you can choose from one of three bonuses to apply to the unit. As if the cultists (or the hive mind) saw their opposition coming, and tailored their Genestealer variant to exploit weaknesses.
I think that when a max size unit dies, you should automatically get a min sized unit of the same type in reserves and you place an Ambush marker. Units in reserve can either enter the normal way, or pop up next to a marker.
The problem is in 40k there’s no “reinforced” keyword. In AOS they’re either half or full size no in between. Technically you can take 7 acolytes. It would be dumb but you can.
Age of Sigmar just does recursion better in general. Reading about how Flesh Eater Courts work recently has really made me realize how GSC got the "we have recursion at home" version of the rule.
I know this is a GSC video but, *rant* "there are no other army rule where you could just fail"... its called the Chaos Knights army rule. Which is even more conditional that the GSC army rule. It has conditional activations in everything, being at 12" from the units, then having taken damage, then naturally have only 1 activation at the Command Phase, then it also works on a dice roll (that is balanced against you, and there are factions that are basically army-wide immune to it) And even if it works, to take full advantage of it you have to be on turn 3+... oh, and i forgot to add that the Army Rule only works because the detachment rule, because by itself its absolutely worthless. So you basically have no detachment rule, since its only there to complete the garbage Army Rule. And the only way to trigger BS on chaos knights without waiting for the Command Phase is attached to overpriced garbage models, like the Abominant and the Acheron (this one forcing you onto really inconvenient positioning to take advantage of it) and the Abominant is a single test for 385 points. And 1 Enhancement that forces you into melee. (or maybe Allied Skull Cannons, that come with a Bloodletters tax each). For perspective, the Tyranid Neurolictor has the entirety Chaos Knights Army rule attached to it but better, since it works from turn 1, without the need of having the target being damaged ,with the Abominant BS test included to booth. On a body that can actually hide on terrain, and again, its only 90pts if you lose it, everything in a single model. All that being said, GSC DO need improvements, lets hope in the next balance update they get better points at the very least, but some rule changes would be nice too.
very good idea I hope that games workshop will listen to you, I love the patriarch hard on his throne actually we don't have a named character...good idea
There could be a problem with the throne patriarch if GW would use the new model with the throne, its the large size of it and the fact that it has a huge tail, maybe we can replace it with a foldable chair instead, that should do. (Jk) But jokes aside, Sentel powerlifters should have been the thing for GSC, like other than the lifter claws themselves, the GSC can equip their sentinels with mining lasers, saws and drills, a whole new kind of unit they have with than other than the Guard sentinel
I always had the idea of some sort of ‘Star Saint’ being a cool centrepiece, essentially a Lictor/ WTP or some other vanguard nid through the lenses of the Cult where it appears as some angelic being, but then could have little visual cues about its alien origin. Maybe more angel from the front and Nid from the back. No idea how that would function in game just visually could be interesting
The Cult Limos were in the original Genestealer Cult army list in White Dwarf. Back when Whirlwinds involved cutting a square base in half to make the missile launcher.
Thanks for the clear explanation! I played 6~7 times New and cursed codex rules . only 2 of battle is win, because of Opponent's Failure. I want GW will Lieste to advice.
Wow, way to take some time to roast the poor locus model. I didn't notice they weren't leaning on a sword. I did a kitbash with the warp spider exarch so he's throwing back his cape to strike with four arms each with a sword. I also didn't notice the model had a tail, but I read it in the book, so mine has one too. I also would love the throne patriarch. I already kitbashed one and it's magnetized so I can chose.
There are Tau army rule (the only rule that gives you debuff) with which, if opponent makes Spotted unit invalid target, you can fail and give your riptide -1 ballistic for current phase.
Totally agree about the Benefictus. A squad of 3. The sprue would only have needed to be 2x as big. (I half considered kitbashing 3x separate Bens and just having them move around together?)
My idea for fixing the dice roll portion of Cult Ambush is that a unit would always come back as long as it contained a leader when it was destroyed. This means every unit with a leader would (almost) always come back exactly once. It would allow GW to balance the points appropriately, would allow some counterplay with precision, and wouldn't really add an additional thing to remember during the game.
I'd love to see an infected grox. There's so much potential in agri-world and other resource planets, besides just the mining theme. A unit herding infected livestock and wielding industrial meat-processing equipment? Yes, please.
A Friend of mine (who uses Imperial Knights as Broodbrothers) and i wanna test a change to the army rule, where units that failed the roll are put into strategic reserve.
a failed roll will probably be better than a successful one if you do that, and there will be a lot of models for the GSC so the game will last a long time
I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. (OH wait I already subscribed to the channel >.>) Seriously though, I like all of these ideas tbh
Would have loved the alpha legion detachment, just to give x amount of dudes get infiltrate, or just rip the grey knights rule of return to reserves for more deepstrike stuff. would be very helpful. Also a cool thing that would make jackals more interesting is a 10/15 point upgrade to some leaders to make them 'on bike' (adds 1t/1w and 12" move) a primus on bike or a magus or even a locus just to make them a little more versatile
I think the most fun for the detachement rule would be if: 1) we got a +1 to all ambush rolls if a magus is on the field +2 for units within 18” 2) enemy units need to be within 6” to remove markers 3) enemy units need to perform an action to remove markers, that would make 1 enemy unit only able to take out 1 blip. So we could cluster blips in the enemy back field if they have few units there. Stretching their resources and start playing a real game with the blips. Also, no rolls for placing blips only for placing units in reserves. Blips are placed in every command phase the entire game.
I like the Magus doing something more I like enemies having to do an action to remove the marker. Sure they could sit on it to prevent us from coming up - but if they die/move - we come back
Give us a stolen knight, not fully converted from an industrial engine into a weapon of war, so it still has a crazy gurren-lagan drill and is piloted by a hybrid optimised for using neuro-jack systems like knight throne and ship helms. Also literally anything with fly would be nice. And getting our antitank back...
My Brother and me thought it would be best to make cult ambush a +1 per turn. So 5+ then 4+ then 3+ then 2+ on the last round that might matter. The idea being the longer you fight gsc the more they can focus their near infinite bodies to where the fighting is fiercest. Then the play style shifts and the vibe is more of a late game come back.
Played a game today where I failed 4 cult ambush rolls in the first 2 rounds. Decided it was over and conceded. I hate not having an army rule, it's ridiculous.
Joining the 1st company task force in suckage haha :) once per game outh of moment to rr wounds, doesn't mean the person is dead I learned that the hard way
@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber I mean more the combat patrol as i dont know how many laviathan boxes remain. But really to get the most out of the detachment you need guilman and assault terminators which are really hard to find these days. Among the strategiums being very specific :/
I'd bin dive like hell given that I built my acolytes like it was on the Combat Patrol (2022) but now I can't play them because it has one mining tool and one demo charge.
40K itself is broken, so many rules for things now it's nearly impossible to get back into playing and must be totally impossible for anyone starting this once fantastic HOBBY and game. Just need to tone it down a tad, with a static core set of 40k rules and not "updating" them weekly. Love the game just hate how it's been darkened by the ever-changing rules.
I think its just a problem with the cult ambush in the codex is that not only is it harder, your unit is also way way worse for the most part You went from near auto returning strong battle line units and occasionally returning strong elites to unreliably returning crappy units that I'm probably gonna have to respawn in a bad location (given a random nurgling doesn't teleport ontop of it and i just get nothing)
Also stop keyword locking detachment rules, our already limited unit pool doesn't need to be further restricted, Strats are already Keyword locked, make all biosantic units angry, all Xeno chars are protected by chaff, all outlander units have good OC, nothing breaks... This applies to most keyword lock army detachments...
the solution to cult ambush is in age of sigmar , plenty of armies have recurring units as a army mechanic, they have learnt over time to make this a small regular thing , don't make it a dice roll just limit the amount that comes back so maybe 1 unit per 1000 points , you then can cost unit approximately to how many come back
Huh. Adding the Malstrain as a weak almost Kroothound esque "get in fast, hopefully do some damage, then die" type of unit would actually pair very well with that proposed "add 1 to the Cult Ambush roll for each previous units that was destroyed and failed their cult ambush roll" change. Could even give them a special rule where they trade their chance at coming back for Cult Ambush for an absolute guarantee that a future unit will succeed their Cult Ambush roll, the justification being that Malstrain are just so intrinsically WRONG that it distracts the enemy from the rest of the Cult's movements. If we went that direction for Cult Ambush changes of course. Also, having a guy in an industrial powerlifter suit as a sort of "Working Cultist's Dreadnaught" would be cool. The existence of Hermiatus Reborn for Necromunda really opens up the door for Genestealers to finally get some named characters, and I see opportunities for things like a named version of the Sanctus or Biophagus in addition to the Kelermorph. Think about it like this: a legendary Sanctus who played a game of cloak and dagger with the Inquisition and or the Officio Assassinorum for years or even decades, distracting them from the true workings of the Cult until it was too late to even Exterminatus the planet before the Hivefleet came, preserved in perfect genetic memory by the Hivemind so that a copy can be used by Cults on either the most vital of targets, or on the planets farthest from the Hivemind's reach, cults that might need to be hidden for another millenia before the Hivefleets ever reach the planet. And so the Sanctus makes sure the Cult can play that long game, silencing investigations almost before they begin. Gaining ever more deadly experience and memories with every successful incarnation.
My freinds and i tired to remove the rng from the army rule without just bringing every unit back. Here is our idea: You start the game with two ambush points and generate on ambush point in each of your command phases (so effectivly start with three). At the end of each turn you must muster all in tbat turn destroyed cult ambush units and decide wich will be destroyed for good or placed in cult ambush. Placing a unit into cult ambush costs 2 ambush point, except for neophite hybrids wich cost one. After placing it in cult ambush all the default stuff with blibs etc. happens. You now regain, within the first 3 decicive turns, either tow elite units for carefull plans or a big secondery wave of fooder for a delay taktic. Then one of my friends had the crazy idea to completly remove respawns. Insteat you place 3 blibs on the board before deployment, 9" away from the enemy deployment zone and objectives. During deployment all cult ambush units get to deploy 6" around those markers. Scouting is disabeled for those units. Sooo um... gernerel thoughts about weather those ideas are balanced? And how could they be balanced better?
Mad Max fury road and the game have an entire faction that just pop outta nowhere can't remember what they are called but they were the guys that put hedgehog spikes all over cars and had bikers being lookouts
New GSC army rule: Return to the Shadows (old fashioned version) Xenocreed detachment get a special buff to it, "Without Number", when returning to shadows roll a d6, heal that many models. Delete the current useless army rule!
my script isn't really a document, it just has 'talk about Locus model'. 'What if cult ambush got easier each fail' The video has a transcript in the description that can be saved
@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber oh, not quite what I meant. I mean I'd like to see a simple document in which you list the changes you suggested, and had wondered if you had made such available.
Out of curiosity: if I as a Sororitas player have to go against another Imperium player we can say that, in-universe, it is an interagency training session and we're shooting bb-guns. What explanation do Genestealer and Tyrranid players give when playing against eachother?
GSC's may train with/against other cults (or another branch of the same cult). Or one Cult that is "wrong" (Malstrain as an example) gets purged Tyranids to fight each other as more battle tests and it doesn't matter as they all get sucked up by the fleet - dead or alive
@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber Okay, but what I meant was: a Genestealer versus a Tyrannid player: could it be that the Genestealers saw the error of their ways at the moment of the hive fleet's arrival?
@@Johnny-Thunder oh absolutely, happens all the time. The Hive Mind influence of the Broodmind drops, the Patriarch and purestrains switch to the Tyranid side and then the GSC fights for survival (unlikely to win)
Not an easy problem to fix. First, if they change how the whole faction rule mechanic works, GW has to rewrite stratagems, habilites, enhancements .... not happening until next codex. Now, people just hate (both GSC players and opponents) the current faction rule. If they make a minor change to it, most likely things will remain the same , it's not just about chances to get units back, it's about lack of control of blip placement. They messed up big time with GSC codex.
Don't forget Primus CC weapon is less damage than an acolyte leader's weapons. It's less damage than the Sanctus' dagger version of the same weapon. I don't know why it annoys me so much.
I think you have the cult ambush placement wrong. As you can 3 inches from the marker there is no wording saying from the centre. This gives you extra space and can easily set up 10 Jakals
Something I'd like for a unit, just personally, would be the Cargo-8 Ridgehauler upgunned and turned into a GSC "Superheavy" (it would actually just be ya know, a slightly big battlewagon-y type vehicle, but for GSC it'd be massive!) It'd just be a fun centerpiece unit, especially for Rusted Claw type armies, and depending on how they wanted to handle it maybe it could be a Diet Baneblade. That's just me though.
I'm annoyed that Cult "Ambush" doesn't actually function like an ambush, the name is informative of absolutely nothing. If instead you set the units up when the enemy got close to the marker, THAT would be an ambush.
And/or: - +1 to Cult ambush roles for each character attached to the destroyed unit. Representing motivation in the revolt to avenge the martyr and gives additional utility to the characters.
My idea is that the cult ambush should be still on a dice roll, bringing back units is always amazing and having a possibility of it not coming back is a good balance, however the roll needed for it to come back is N+1
I don’t want crossfire to return. The rule was weird and janky and half the time you got around it rather than actually going through it. My favorite solution is improving cult ambush the more units that role on it. Makes sequencing matter and helps incintivize small units. For units I would like the patriarch to be better, but it does something. It would be nice if while the patriarch was on the battlefield you got +1 to leadership since the head honcho is here in person. the magus needs a change so it actually does something. I would like the magus to behave like the nerolictor. Causes the enemy to take a battleshock test and then gives a buff and the buff is better if the enemy is battle shocked.
it was already late when I posted the video so I knew I wouldn't have time to add music and balance it all. It will be back in the next video - and maybe more BGM tracks too
The army rule for your army is too important in this addition to be bad or subpar with how codxes haveing 90% of your power being locked to the attachments you picked, comparing this to 9th. 9th haed more like 80% to core book and about 20% to the detachment. I do feel bad for you, but you could have been demons in 9th where you had an army rule that worked some times and then nothing to use it on. The old rule, btw was roll 8 d6 on a 4+, get that many points for this turn, then spend them on stuff for that battle round the tables you spend points on where relly bad and needed to be cheeper for what they do.
I didn't knew he wrote them, sad. My main concern with Stu and GSC is that, if you hear the past Metawatch episodes he tslks about how cool and flavor the faction rule has. Problem is he's thinking on the opponent point of view, not the GSC player. Bring someone who actually play GSC to write the rules.
Just stop crying because you can not destroy half of opponents army on turn 2 Playing since 9th ed, played 4 games with new codex recently, only one of them was lost, just grow up and play mindful, forget about shitty acolytes and bikes, use metamorphs instead, hide them in trucks and be happy, in my last game pack of 10 metamorphs with Biophagus chewed up squad of 6 meganobz, then destroyed deffdread, returned and destroyed another deffdread Who can help you if you run beta units who can do nothing on the battlefield?
"there are no other army rules that you can just fail" cries in tyranid
I know the Shadow in the Warp can fail against some enemies but Synapse is such a great rule for passing all the leadership tests (and also getting more strength)
i mean, i agree in part, but now at least Tyranids have +1 Str to melee in synapse, that cant fail and its not really hard to get either.
forgot about the str part, didnt play since the change. so yeah, true. the LD buff is only partly true, since they all got worse LD to account for that. it's a small buff compared to having ld -1 innately.
@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber Chaos knights can be on the same lvl with GSC (i play both). The first two rounds you just didn't get the most of buffs (-1 to hit, +1 to wound). But also opponent can just pass all BS tests and just go kill you. Or even just spend 1 CP for most valuable unit, or got Chaplain denying the BS.
My Chaos Knights know your pain
Goliath Rockgrinder Fix:
-keep the new rule, but add „Tank Shock for 0CP“ to take the fricking Drill Bulldozer in front into account.
"Can tank shock for free even if this strat has been used earlier in the battle"
GW response in the words of Black Templar Reculisac Grinaldus:
I hear your concerns,
and I will dully ignore them
It's bizarre how our many of our buff characters feel both mandatory and wildly inefficient.
Thank you for eye opening ideas. This is by far my favourite 40k related channel (used to play Sisters, and now full on GSC)
Thank you!
Started the army during 8th, only finished building enough since the codex release. Played around 5 games now and really struggling, getting board wiped by Tau & Space marines. Tried variations of Xenocreed, 3 trucks with 30 metamorphs. Going to try out 30 genestealers in their detachment in a few weeks time.
Played for fun 3rd-5th edition, competitive during 8th with Ynari. This is a high skill cap army and I find myself forgetting rules on the fly. I'm just gonna have to rewatch some of your videos and keep playing 👍, but it's tough to have fun when you're always losing
I personally want the rule to change to something like you need to get a higher result than they battle round, so battle round 1 is 2+ but battle round 4 is a 5+ (i say that after the faq that let's you return even if a marker is gone)
But for that there will be no plus to the roll
Now that you have said it, the Nexos and Primus do feel very weird
I'd like the idea of a Malstrain Genestealer equivalent, that's a product of Biophagus scientists tinkering with the DNA of Genestealers to produce weird variants. Very "Twisted Helix". Maybe the unit could have an ability where, during deployment (so, AFTER you see the opponent's list), you can choose from one of three bonuses to apply to the unit. As if the cultists (or the hive mind) saw their opposition coming, and tailored their Genestealer variant to exploit weaknesses.
that's pretty good.
We always knew who the oppressors were and were prepared to fight them generations ago
I think that when a max size unit dies, you should automatically get a min sized unit of the same type in reserves and you place an Ambush marker. Units in reserve can either enter the normal way, or pop up next to a marker.
Maybe a bit like how Soulblight Gravelords work(ed) in Age of Sigmar getting a half size unit from a gravesite.
I can see that working
The problem is in 40k there’s no “reinforced” keyword. In AOS they’re either half or full size no in between. Technically you can take 7 acolytes. It would be dumb but you can.
Age of Sigmar just does recursion better in general. Reading about how Flesh Eater Courts work recently has really made me realize how GSC got the "we have recursion at home" version of the rule.
I know this is a GSC video but, *rant*
"there are no other army rule where you could just fail"... its called the Chaos Knights army rule. Which is even more conditional that the GSC army rule.
It has conditional activations in everything, being at 12" from the units, then having taken damage, then naturally have only 1 activation at the Command Phase, then it also works on a dice roll (that is balanced against you, and there are factions that are basically army-wide immune to it)
And even if it works, to take full advantage of it you have to be on turn 3+... oh, and i forgot to add that the Army Rule only works because the detachment rule, because by itself its absolutely worthless. So you basically have no detachment rule, since its only there to complete the garbage Army Rule.
And the only way to trigger BS on chaos knights without waiting for the Command Phase is attached to overpriced garbage models, like the Abominant and the Acheron (this one forcing you onto really inconvenient positioning to take advantage of it) and the Abominant is a single test for 385 points. And 1 Enhancement that forces you into melee. (or maybe Allied Skull Cannons, that come with a Bloodletters tax each).
For perspective, the Tyranid Neurolictor has the entirety Chaos Knights Army rule attached to it but better, since it works from turn 1, without the need of having the target being damaged ,with the Abominant BS test included to booth. On a body that can actually hide on terrain, and again, its only 90pts if you lose it, everything in a single model.
All that being said, GSC DO need improvements, lets hope in the next balance update they get better points at the very least, but some rule changes would be nice too.
very good idea I hope that games workshop will listen to you, I love the patriarch hard on his throne actually we don't have a named character...good idea
There could be a problem with the throne patriarch if GW would use the new model with the throne, its the large size of it and the fact that it has a huge tail, maybe we can replace it with a foldable chair instead, that should do. (Jk)
But jokes aside, Sentel powerlifters should have been the thing for GSC, like other than the lifter claws themselves, the GSC can equip their sentinels with mining lasers, saws and drills, a whole new kind of unit they have with than other than the Guard sentinel
I always had the idea of some sort of ‘Star Saint’ being a cool centrepiece, essentially a Lictor/ WTP or some other vanguard nid through the lenses of the Cult where it appears as some angelic being, but then could have little visual cues about its alien origin. Maybe more angel from the front and Nid from the back. No idea how that would function in game just visually could be interesting
The Cult Limos were in the original Genestealer Cult army list in White Dwarf. Back when Whirlwinds involved cutting a square base in half to make the missile launcher.
A return to the shadows based army rule would be great.
Or a ryle saying the infantry can't be shot from more th418" away.
Thanks for the clear explanation!
I played 6~7 times New and cursed codex rules . only 2 of battle is win, because of Opponent's Failure.
I want GW will Lieste to advice.
Wow, way to take some time to roast the poor locus model. I didn't notice they weren't leaning on a sword.
I did a kitbash with the warp spider exarch so he's throwing back his cape to strike with four arms each with a sword. I also didn't notice the model had a tail, but I read it in the book, so mine has one too.
I also would love the throne patriarch. I already kitbashed one and it's magnetized so I can chose.
There are Tau army rule (the only rule that gives you debuff) with which, if opponent makes Spotted unit invalid target, you can fail and give your riptide -1 ballistic for current phase.
Totally agree about the Benefictus. A squad of 3. The sprue would only have needed to be 2x as big. (I half considered kitbashing 3x separate Bens and just having them move around together?)
My idea for fixing the dice roll portion of Cult Ambush is that a unit would always come back as long as it contained a leader when it was destroyed. This means every unit with a leader would (almost) always come back exactly once.
It would allow GW to balance the points appropriately, would allow some counterplay with precision, and wouldn't really add an additional thing to remember during the game.
I like that - and it makes the Xenocreed work as a true horde as they have 3+ FnP on some characters
Thank you for mentioning the frag drill. 😊
If we can't pierce the heavens, we can pierce the ground.
Definitely would like a heavy infantry unit. Something like the Big Daddy from Bioshock would be thematically appropriate i think.
On the art for twisted helix the bio-phagus has some chained up ghoul like guys, id love to see "ghouls" as a cheap melee chaff unit.
I'd love to see an infected grox. There's so much potential in agri-world and other resource planets, besides just the mining theme. A unit herding infected livestock and wielding industrial meat-processing equipment? Yes, please.
A Friend of mine (who uses Imperial Knights as Broodbrothers) and i wanna test a change to the army rule, where units that failed the roll are put into strategic reserve.
a failed roll will probably be better than a successful one if you do that, and there will be a lot of models for the GSC so the game will last a long time
I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. (OH wait I already subscribed to the channel >.>)
Seriously though, I like all of these ideas tbh
thanks
Would have loved the alpha legion detachment, just to give x amount of dudes get infiltrate, or just rip the grey knights rule of return to reserves for more deepstrike stuff. would be very helpful. Also a cool thing that would make jackals more interesting is a 10/15 point upgrade to some leaders to make them 'on bike' (adds 1t/1w and 12" move) a primus on bike or a magus or even a locus just to make them a little more versatile
Mechanic lone operative to buff vehicles is one of the few characters I'd like to see
Von Carmine has accepted his role as a quasi-humanoid bat creature by hanging from the ceiling.
I think the most fun for the detachement rule would be if:
1) we got a +1 to all ambush rolls if a magus is on the field +2 for units within 18”
2) enemy units need to be within 6” to remove markers
3) enemy units need to perform an action to remove markers, that would make 1 enemy unit only able to take out 1 blip. So we could cluster blips in the enemy back field if they have few units there. Stretching their resources and start playing a real game with the blips.
Also, no rolls for placing blips only for placing units in reserves. Blips are placed in every command phase the entire game.
I like the Magus doing something more
I like enemies having to do an action to remove the marker. Sure they could sit on it to prevent us from coming up - but if they die/move - we come back
Give us a stolen knight, not fully converted from an industrial engine into a weapon of war, so it still has a crazy gurren-lagan drill and is piloted by a hybrid optimised for using neuro-jack systems like knight throne and ship helms. Also literally anything with fly would be nice. And getting our antitank back...
My Brother and me thought it would be best to make cult ambush a +1 per turn. So 5+ then 4+ then 3+ then 2+ on the last round that might matter. The idea being the longer you fight gsc the more they can focus their near infinite bodies to where the fighting is fiercest. Then the play style shifts and the vibe is more of a late game come back.
Played a game today where I failed 4 cult ambush rolls in the first 2 rounds. Decided it was over and conceded.
I hate not having an army rule, it's ridiculous.
You know what Christian, I WILL have a great day of 40K!
...good
Joining the 1st company task force in suckage haha :) once per game outh of moment to rr wounds, doesn't mean the person is dead I learned that the hard way
the best I can say about that detachment - it is easy for new players to learn with the Leviathan boxed set
@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber I mean more the combat patrol as i dont know how many laviathan boxes remain. But really to get the most out of the detachment you need guilman and assault terminators which are really hard to find these days. Among the strategiums being very specific :/
I'd bin dive like hell given that I built my acolytes like it was on the Combat Patrol (2022) but now I can't play them because it has one mining tool and one demo charge.
40K itself is broken, so many rules for things now it's nearly impossible to get back into playing and must be totally impossible for anyone starting this once fantastic HOBBY and game. Just need to tone it down a tad, with a static core set of 40k rules and not "updating" them weekly.
Love the game just hate how it's been darkened by the ever-changing rules.
I think its just a problem with the cult ambush in the codex is that not only is it harder, your unit is also way way worse for the most part
You went from near auto returning strong battle line units and occasionally returning strong elites to unreliably returning crappy units that I'm probably gonna have to respawn in a bad location (given a random nurgling doesn't teleport ontop of it and i just get nothing)
Also stop keyword locking detachment rules, our already limited unit pool doesn't need to be further restricted, Strats are already Keyword locked, make all biosantic units angry, all Xeno chars are protected by chaff, all outlander units have good OC, nothing breaks... This applies to most keyword lock army detachments...
the solution to cult ambush is in age of sigmar , plenty of armies have recurring units as a army mechanic, they have learnt over time to make this a small regular thing , don't make it a dice roll just limit the amount that comes back so maybe 1 unit per 1000 points , you then can cost unit approximately to how many come back
I like that. I know AoS has some good mechanics for respawn that feel fair
Huh. Adding the Malstrain as a weak almost Kroothound esque "get in fast, hopefully do some damage, then die" type of unit would actually pair very well with that proposed "add 1 to the Cult Ambush roll for each previous units that was destroyed and failed their cult ambush roll" change. Could even give them a special rule where they trade their chance at coming back for Cult Ambush for an absolute guarantee that a future unit will succeed their Cult Ambush roll, the justification being that Malstrain are just so intrinsically WRONG that it distracts the enemy from the rest of the Cult's movements.
If we went that direction for Cult Ambush changes of course.
Also, having a guy in an industrial powerlifter suit as a sort of "Working Cultist's Dreadnaught" would be cool.
The existence of Hermiatus Reborn for Necromunda really opens up the door for Genestealers to finally get some named characters, and I see opportunities for things like a named version of the Sanctus or Biophagus in addition to the Kelermorph.
Think about it like this: a legendary Sanctus who played a game of cloak and dagger with the Inquisition and or the Officio Assassinorum for years or even decades, distracting them from the true workings of the Cult until it was too late to even Exterminatus the planet before the Hivefleet came, preserved in perfect genetic memory by the Hivemind so that a copy can be used by Cults on either the most vital of targets, or on the planets farthest from the Hivemind's reach, cults that might need to be hidden for another millenia before the Hivefleets ever reach the planet. And so the Sanctus makes sure the Cult can play that long game, silencing investigations almost before they begin. Gaining ever more deadly experience and memories with every successful incarnation.
My entire gsc list is mostly flamers
My freinds and i tired to remove the rng from the army rule without just bringing every unit back. Here is our idea:
You start the game with two ambush points and generate on ambush point in each of your command phases (so effectivly start with three). At the end of each turn you must muster all in tbat turn destroyed cult ambush units and decide wich will be destroyed for good or placed in cult ambush. Placing a unit into cult ambush costs 2 ambush point, except for neophite hybrids wich cost one. After placing it in cult ambush all the default stuff with blibs etc. happens.
You now regain, within the first 3 decicive turns, either tow elite units for carefull plans or a big secondery wave of fooder for a delay taktic.
Then one of my friends had the crazy idea to completly remove respawns. Insteat you place 3 blibs on the board before deployment, 9" away from the enemy deployment zone and objectives. During deployment all cult ambush units get to deploy 6" around those markers. Scouting is disabeled for those units.
Sooo um... gernerel thoughts about weather those ideas are balanced? And how could they be balanced better?
Mad Max fury road and the game have an entire faction that just pop outta nowhere can't remember what they are called but they were the guys that put hedgehog spikes all over cars and had bikers being lookouts
The MTG crossover set gave us a names for a more important Magus and Kelomorphs (think it was just those two)
What if we take the Skaven rule for cult ambush.
Units come back every time, but with half strenght.
Stuff for hive secundus would be nice.
New GSC army rule: Return to the Shadows (old fashioned version)
Xenocreed detachment get a special buff to it, "Without Number", when returning to shadows roll a d6, heal that many models.
Delete the current useless army rule!
Do you have a document detailing your changes? They seem very simple, and clear, and playable.
my script isn't really a document, it just has 'talk about Locus model'. 'What if cult ambush got easier each fail'
The video has a transcript in the description that can be saved
@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber oh, not quite what I meant. I mean I'd like to see a simple document in which you list the changes you suggested, and had wondered if you had made such available.
@@abcdodd I haven't got one, sorry
Do you fix it with more genes?
that is one of the solutions
Gotta steal ‘em first!
Some interesting points. Sitting up failed cult ambush points? Bit complicated?
What about a failed cult ambush roll gives you an extra cp, ignoring the usual 1 extra per turn rule.
I mean technically the Space Marine army rule can also do nothing if you roll too well or too poorly.
Out of curiosity: if I as a Sororitas player have to go against another Imperium player we can say that, in-universe, it is an interagency training session and we're shooting bb-guns. What explanation do Genestealer and Tyrranid players give when playing against eachother?
GSC's may train with/against other cults (or another branch of the same cult).
Or one Cult that is "wrong" (Malstrain as an example) gets purged
Tyranids to fight each other as more battle tests and it doesn't matter as they all get sucked up by the fleet - dead or alive
@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber Okay, but what I meant was: a Genestealer versus a Tyrannid player: could it be that the Genestealers saw the error of their ways at the moment of the hive fleet's arrival?
@@Johnny-Thunder oh absolutely, happens all the time. The Hive Mind influence of the Broodmind drops, the Patriarch and purestrains switch to the Tyranid side and then the GSC fights for survival (unlikely to win)
@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber Great, thanks for the reply :)
Not an easy problem to fix. First, if they change how the whole faction rule mechanic works, GW has to rewrite stratagems, habilites, enhancements .... not happening until next codex. Now, people just hate (both GSC players and opponents) the current faction rule. If they make a minor change to it, most likely things will remain the same , it's not just about chances to get units back, it's about lack of control of blip placement. They messed up big time with GSC codex.
Don't forget Primus CC weapon is less damage than an acolyte leader's weapons. It's less damage than the Sanctus' dagger version of the same weapon. I don't know why it annoys me so much.
I think you have the cult ambush placement wrong. As you can 3 inches from the marker there is no wording saying from the centre. This gives you extra space and can easily set up 10 Jakals
What if Cult Ambush was once per battle round, choose a unit that was just destroyed...it just works.
Once per battle, do it twice in a round.
Ya know we have a lot of third generation characters but maybe we could use a third generation style troops
Something I'd like for a unit, just personally, would be the Cargo-8 Ridgehauler upgunned and turned into a GSC "Superheavy" (it would actually just be ya know, a slightly big battlewagon-y type vehicle, but for GSC it'd be massive!)
It'd just be a fun centerpiece unit, especially for Rusted Claw type armies, and depending on how they wanted to handle it maybe it could be a Diet Baneblade.
That's just me though.
GW really needs to start paying you and just go ahead with your changes.
Thanks
I'm annoyed that Cult "Ambush" doesn't actually function like an ambush, the name is informative of absolutely nothing. If instead you set the units up when the enemy got close to the marker, THAT would be an ambush.
Tell me what the army rule is again?....the most asked question for a chaos knight army.
Army Rule Fix:
-make it flat 4+ for battleline
-Allow Command Reroll on it
Done.
And/or:
- +1 to Cult ambush roles for each character attached to the destroyed unit. Representing motivation in the revolt to avenge the martyr and gives additional utility to the characters.
My idea is that the cult ambush should be still on a dice roll, bringing back units is always amazing and having a possibility of it not coming back is a good balance, however the roll needed for it to come back is N+1
I don’t want crossfire to return. The rule was weird and janky and half the time you got around it rather than actually going through it. My favorite solution is improving cult ambush the more units that role on it. Makes sequencing matter and helps incintivize small units.
For units I would like the patriarch to be better, but it does something. It would be nice if while the patriarch was on the battlefield you got +1 to leadership since the head honcho is here in person. the magus needs a change so it actually does something. I would like the magus to behave like the nerolictor. Causes the enemy to take a battleshock test and then gives a buff and the buff is better if the enemy is battle shocked.
Also having mad space cow as a unit would be really cool.
no one considers the space cow, and then everyone wants a space cow
10th edition 40k needs some help
....where music >_>
it was already late when I posted the video so I knew I wouldn't have time to add music and balance it all.
It will be back in the next video - and maybe more BGM tracks too
The army rule for your army is too important in this addition to be bad or subpar with how codxes haveing 90% of your power being locked to the attachments you picked, comparing this to 9th. 9th haed more like 80% to core book and about 20% to the detachment. I do feel bad for you, but you could have been demons in 9th where you had an army rule that worked some times and then nothing to use it on. The old rule, btw was roll 8 d6 on a 4+, get that many points for this turn, then spend them on stuff for that battle round the tables you spend points on where relly bad and needed to be cheeper for what they do.
Just fix our army rule please i want to have an army rule that does something in more than 1 in 3 games
Why can’t we just go back to blip deployment? It’s what made me pick up the army in the first place
I really didn't like it. It made deployment take twice as long as you have to deploy everything twice and some games it just didn't matter
Aberants need anti vehicle 4+
probably. But we already have that with the Acolytes
Fire Stu Black, GW.
Overwatch from titanics, Admech/Custodes/GSC codex, this guy is incompetent rules writer
I didn't knew he wrote them, sad. My main concern with Stu and GSC is that, if you hear the past Metawatch episodes he tslks about how cool and flavor the faction rule has. Problem is he's thinking on the opponent point of view, not the GSC player. Bring someone who actually play GSC to write the rules.
Just stop crying because you can not destroy half of opponents army on turn 2
Playing since 9th ed, played 4 games with new codex recently, only one of them was lost, just grow up and play mindful, forget about shitty acolytes and bikes, use metamorphs instead, hide them in trucks and be happy, in my last game pack of 10 metamorphs with Biophagus chewed up squad of 6 meganobz, then destroyed deffdread, returned and destroyed another deffdread
Who can help you if you run beta units who can do nothing on the battlefield?