@@dairymilkwholenut7010 It is their choice, but it's a choice that only seems worthwhile because of the incentives the system provides. If they wanna be top pitchers they have to throw hard, as things stand. I'm not sure if there's a good way to change those incentives without making things worse for baseball -- but it has been done in other sports. F1s halo was initially hated by drivers and fans alike, but it has already saved lives, and no one seems to be complaining at all.
@@dairymilkwholenut7010Is it? If you're an elite pitcher as a teenager have to try to go pro unless all that work went to waste. If you're already a pro you have to keep up with the fastest pitchers so you still get paid. Their "choice" is basically "destroy your arm or lose your livelihood"
@@shepardice3775 Yeah a lot of the fault lies with scouts who only look for velo. When there's plenty of pitchers who prove that velo isn't everything.
why do we never talk about the hardest pull down. Trevor Bauer did one at 112, but how hard could someone throw on a pull down if they had 100% efficiency?
The obsession with velo isn't just hurting players, it's hurting the game. The era of pitch counts has come about in response to player injuries. Complete games are already a thing of the past.
Even if your UCL was strong another portion of your body would give out before 125 mph. Scap, bicep, tricep, forearm, and other posterior decelerators would give out or fail first
it's not unnatural, if your mechanics are right. some guys have bad mechanics that never get corrected, or that they refuse to correct, and sooner or later your body is gonna let you know what it thinks. if you throw properly, and according to your body, you can have a long lifespan, zack greinke, and bartolo colon are both pitchers that lasted a really long time because they threw according to their body.
@@devonesq.7533 Bartolo Colon and Zack Greinke are really poor examples of the potential damage the chase for pitch velocity will cause. Greinkes fastball never averaged above 95. Colon’s didn’t either, and although he had a higher ceiling velocity than Greinke (sometimes throwing 98-100), he was primarily a sinker ball pitcher, only throwing a 4 seam approx. 25% of the time. The chase for velocity will really impact the bullpen guys who are brought in to t chuck 7 fastballs over 100+ in an inning, guys like Mason Miller. The amount of TJ surgeries has gone up precipitously as average velocity has increased. The amount of TJ has also gone up as mechanics have gotten better, since the introduction of high speed cameras and computer modeling. Greinke and Colons mechanics were good for longevity, but not for velocity, and velocity is what is currently valued in MLB. Greinke and Colon have nothing to do with the “bad mechanics” causing the current injury bug for pitchers.
@@mkr4646 the example was, that you can have a really successful career without throwing max effort 100% of the time. the most successful pitchers are able to mess up a batters timing, it doesn't matter if you can throw 105mph if that's the only tool in your arsenal. however i do agree with the point about relief pitchers, as their worth is purely based off their max velo, because they usually don't have 100+ games worth of stats to analyze.
Speed isn’t everything. Location and sequence of pitches are just as important if not more so. The best pitchers put movement on the ball to fool the batter. And the sequence can undermine a batter’s expectations and in turn induce a strike.
Really interesting. I read a book called "Faster Higher Stronger" some years ago which hinted at the 110 mph you mentioned though I think they said 111. (They covered a number of Records in various Sports and what the most possible was.) You mentioned 250 lb in your discussion of 110 mph and I think that was part of the reason, some of what they did focused on the size and strength of the picture also and obviously not a lot of hurlers are going to be 250 unless they are Randy Johnson's height. I would think that the ligaments would naturally be stronger on a larger person, although you are right that there is still a natural limit to that.
its scary how we could do all of this without any adrenaline and if we had stronger bones. i think we can throw much faster than 125 however were far from the proper evolution of our bodies to handle this force i think we must train the body much more especially before we can go to space
and if the title is how fast can a human throw a baseball, you never said "pitch" a baseball, then elly holds the official record because he threw one across the diamond at like 107,108 way faster than chapman
the better pitchers get the less baseball you will see, which is hilarious for something that COULD NOT ALREADY BE MORE BORING if it tried. baseball is a snoozefest hahah
it doesn't matter how good pitchers get, batters will adjust. that's why baseball is so interesting, because you can be playing at your limit, and still get beat out. a guy could throw a baseball 120mph down the plate everytime, but eventually a guy is gonna hit it.
I truly hate the damage this chase will cause to player’s bodies.
Why? Their bodies, their choice
@@dairymilkwholenut7010 Just because you made a choice doesn't mean it was the right one.
@@dairymilkwholenut7010 It is their choice, but it's a choice that only seems worthwhile because of the incentives the system provides. If they wanna be top pitchers they have to throw hard, as things stand.
I'm not sure if there's a good way to change those incentives without making things worse for baseball -- but it has been done in other sports. F1s halo was initially hated by drivers and fans alike, but it has already saved lives, and no one seems to be complaining at all.
@@dairymilkwholenut7010Is it? If you're an elite pitcher as a teenager have to try to go pro unless all that work went to waste. If you're already a pro you have to keep up with the fastest pitchers so you still get paid. Their "choice" is basically "destroy your arm or lose your livelihood"
@@shepardice3775 Yeah a lot of the fault lies with scouts who only look for velo. When there's plenty of pitchers who prove that velo isn't everything.
Eventual long form content would be great, where you cover a much longer subject matter
why do we never talk about the hardest pull down. Trevor Bauer did one at 112, but how hard could someone throw on a pull down if they had 100% efficiency?
That was on a 3oz pull down. His max pull-down is around 106. The fastest 5oz baseball ever thrown is 107.8. This was on a pull-down as well
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The obsession with velo isn't just hurting players, it's hurting the game. The era of pitch counts has come about in response to player injuries. Complete games are already a thing of the past.
Yep
If the 125 is possible that person UCL would need to be freakishly strong as UCL strength seems to be the deciding factor
Nah you can have a weak ucl and throw it once. And then never throw anything ever again 😂
Even if your UCL was strong another portion of your body would give out before 125 mph. Scap, bicep, tricep, forearm, and other posterior decelerators would give out or fail first
We need to start giving pitchers some sorta futuristic high tech arm brace that takes strain off the elbow when throwing
But what abt hitters
I'm pretty sure that if Chapman were in control of a Robert Wadlow body weighing 600 lbs., 125 mph would be easy.
105.1 just a few hours ago against Padres. He could beat the record THIS season!
Robert Wadlow could hardly walk or even sit. Let alone throw a baseball really hard.
I remember seeing Dave Dravecky’s arm snap as a kid. It’s an unnatural motion for a human.
it's not unnatural, if your mechanics are right. some guys have bad mechanics that never get corrected, or that they refuse to correct, and sooner or later your body is gonna let you know what it thinks.
if you throw properly, and according to your body, you can have a long lifespan, zack greinke, and bartolo colon are both pitchers that lasted a really long time because they threw according to their body.
@@devonesq.7533 Bartolo Colon and Zack Greinke are really poor examples of the potential damage the chase for pitch velocity will cause. Greinkes fastball never averaged above 95. Colon’s didn’t either, and although he had a higher ceiling velocity than Greinke (sometimes throwing 98-100), he was primarily a sinker ball pitcher, only throwing a 4 seam approx. 25% of the time.
The chase for velocity will really impact the bullpen guys who are brought in to t chuck 7 fastballs over 100+ in an inning, guys like Mason Miller.
The amount of TJ surgeries has gone up precipitously as average velocity has increased. The amount of TJ has also gone up as mechanics have gotten better, since the introduction of high speed cameras and computer modeling.
Greinke and Colons mechanics were good for longevity, but not for velocity, and velocity is what is currently valued in MLB. Greinke and Colon have nothing to do with the “bad mechanics” causing the current injury bug for pitchers.
@@mkr4646 the example was, that you can have a really successful career without throwing max effort 100% of the time.
the most successful pitchers are able to mess up a batters timing, it doesn't matter if you can throw 105mph if that's the only tool in your arsenal.
however i do agree with the point about relief pitchers, as their worth is purely based off their max velo, because they usually don't have 100+ games worth of stats to analyze.
Pittsburgh’s Cuban Missile clocked a 105.1 tonight against San Diego. It was wild!
Speed isn’t everything. Location and sequence of pitches are just as important if not more so. The best pitchers put movement on the ball to fool the batter. And the sequence can undermine a batter’s expectations and in turn induce a strike.
Really interesting. I read a book called "Faster Higher Stronger" some years ago which hinted at the 110 mph you mentioned though I think they said 111. (They covered a number of Records in various Sports and what the most possible was.) You mentioned 250 lb in your discussion of 110 mph and I think that was part of the reason, some of what they did focused on the size and strength of the picture also and obviously not a lot of hurlers are going to be 250 unless they are Randy Johnson's height. I would think that the ligaments would naturally be stronger on a larger person, although you are right that there is still a natural limit to that.
The fasted pitch was actually 108.2 by Nolan ryan
Mason Miller mentioned. Best closer this season
What if a cricket bowler started chucking. Ive read they could throw 100mph from a runup without bending their elbow much
110 is possible. Probably they would have to be built like the Rock, be tall as the Shaq and should have the mechanics and experience of Chapman.
Neurolink and prosthetics will break every record
jimmy buffet?
its scary how we could do all of this without any adrenaline and if we had stronger bones. i think we can throw much faster than 125 however were far from the proper evolution of our bodies to handle this force i think we must train the body much more especially before we can go to space
Ben Joyce going for 106mph
and if the title is how fast can a human throw a baseball, you never said "pitch" a baseball, then elly holds the official record because he threw one across the diamond at like 107,108 way faster than chapman
bro what he did not throw 107 to first base 😭 it’s 99, and masyn winn reached 101
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He did throw it 106.9@@dorianruble7807
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dawg this whole video is about from the mound
How about learn to pitch like Maddox with a great fastball. Batters can hit fastballs. It’s keeping them guessing.
“just pitch like the greatest finesse pitcher of all time” i’m sure it’s that simple grandpa
bob fellers 107.9?
Make a video on cricket bowling limit
This record was broken 2 weeks ago😂
BRING BACK JOE DEVINE!
& the tifo football podcast... I need cool hands & a warm embrace
125 would be basically impossible to hit
Go beavsss
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Hey, the record is not 105.8 nolan ryan threw a pitch 108
The science from that documentary was flawed. No chance he threw 108. Player testimony backs this up.
The gun they used to measure the 108 was never used again because it was incredibly inaccurate. Go watch the video pitching ninja made about it
Estimated at 108. The velocity loss they mention in that show is not uniform every time a pitch is thrown.
The fastest confirmed is 105.8. People make insane claims about pitching faster all the time, but there’s never been concrete, empirical proof.
My uncle actually threw 120 in college and only didn’t go pro because the coach didn’t play him enough, believe it or not
Def a troll😂😂
My dad works at Nintendo and said Mario taught him how to throw 169mph but Rob Manfred banned him for not being woke 😢
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the better pitchers get the less baseball you will see, which is hilarious for something that COULD NOT ALREADY BE MORE BORING if it tried. baseball is a snoozefest hahah
Smooth brain
You don’t get it
Do you feel better after getting that out?
@dorianruble7807 His brain is simply too small to appreaciate baseball.
These same idiots will glaze American Football even though it is no different
it doesn't matter how good pitchers get, batters will adjust. that's why baseball is so interesting, because you can be playing at your limit, and still get beat out.
a guy could throw a baseball 120mph down the plate everytime, but eventually a guy is gonna hit it.