It's hurting my brain that no one is calling Feefo on this "They're just representing their reality..." argument [re: glorifying sex]. I was CRAVING someone pointing out the most basic cyclical shit to perceive: It's primarily their reality because the culture promotes it, and the culture promotes it because the kids want it, and the kids want it because they see it and want to replicate that rapper's 'reality', but it's primarily their reality because... Ad infinitum. The point was almost there (Myke commented on the aspect of kids wanting to replicate what they see), but stopped just short of completing the observation of the cycle - that Nelly only did it because there was a precedent set by people like Nelly who came before him, and all the cyclical socio-political baggage that goes along with promoting those ideas. There was a market in the culture for treating women like sexual ornaments. If content of that sort were to somehow disappear for a generation, you can bet your nuts the market and the demand would disappear with it. That very cycle applies to every nuance of this discussion: Sex, drugs and violence; all the same self-fulfilling narrative.
+somethinguncommon They are not - as was said in the video many young rappers starting out think they are following a money trail & copy what they think is popular... kids are & do replicate everything they see - do some research on child psychology......may be some aren't comfortable with the sexuality , but the point is .....they have no choice & most of us didn't grow up seeing anything like what's in these vids every single day - their reality ????? there are prostitutes or strip clubs in every town.....but they aren't just doing their business nude on the street in your kids face....& since it's always nude women....unless you are a gay man - I doubt if you want naked man azzz all up in your face all day, just because you want to see videos - right?
Hip-Hop culture reflects capitalism. Everything in the mainstream is only allowed in the mainstream as a result of competing for the most profitable product. Any rapper who goes against the culture of drug-addiction, gangbanging, misogyny and greed is not encouraged or rewarded by the industry, unless they compromise. Also, culture does not breed culture. Material conditions breed culture. Sure, wealthy kids get into addiction, but that is more a result of the drug industry encouraging the sale of prescription and illicit drugs than culture. Gangbanging is more the result of poverty and weapons cartels than culture. Misogyny is more the result of patriarchy inherent in the system than Hip-Hop culture. All of these things existed before Hip-Hop and will continue to exist if Hip-Hop falls out of the mainstream. To say that the culture is at fault is to feed into the false narrative that there exists a meritocracy, and that material conditions are controlled by culture. The opposite is true. Change the material conditions, and then the culture will change.
@@全泰壹-z5d That's just it what we term hip hop is manufactured culture. A Industrialized music genre, coined a culture by who, what and why ? Hip hop is Dj ing, emceeing, breaking, graffiti, and beat boxing. 4 out of the 5 elements are no longer celebrated practices. Dj is valued more as a title, than a trade. The others have been replaced by a flood of gangsters, dying to get on and pop off. Crack turned the neighborhood into the hood, and rappers became the prophets of dysfunction.
Great point Myke made at the end!. Hip hop needs take responsibility for glorifying sex and drugs. People listen to them. So its Either they speak Life or Death to the mic. You can talk about violence, sex and drugs, etc... but make it have substance where the consumer can take away something positive from it. Dead End Hip Hop
+Christian900 Exactly - you can tell a personal experience that has included this stuff - but use it to teach lessons - because everyone will learn them eventually - lots of lyricists write about for example getting locked up for maybe selling drugs, learning their lesson - & trying to do better things - music is a powerful force & it is a responsibility to have that mic - imagine if they were actually just , saying, not rapping, but going to schools saying these things & jading kids about the opposite sex & telling them 'everybody' does this - it's illegal but do it anyway.....if an artist is truly talented they can write songs that save lives, change minds & change society's views....
I find it kinda funny how a group like Chiddy Bang gets discredited and bashed for being too positive. Sure, the dude talks about smoking weed and partying, but it's in a happy way lol. I think Chiddy Bang does it in a positive way
I don't think there is anything wrong with having sex drugs and violence as themes in your music as long as it's done in a creative way. What makes the modern guys bad is the generic and irresponsible way they use these themes. Look at Hendrix or other rock stars from that era. They made great music on these topics. Look at people like Danny brown now too! XXX was a great drug album.
***** but they are still huge topics. Millions can relate to sex, drugs and partying whether positive or negative, which is why it's prevalent in every genre
***** what are you talking about? Did I say I only listen to songs with that theme? No I didn't. My musical palette is probably wider than yours. You just disregarded what I actually said.
I agree with feefo. I think the problem is on the viewers and the parents. I get that they are kids and its next 2 impossible 2 stop them from viewing and bein influenced by this stuff but really should we care? Like I don't want MY content censored or reduced cause we know kids will see it. and its not fair to place that on the artist either. They should be able to create their art without limitations. Thats how we get amazing art. Censorship ruins that. So sorry to your kids. Just do your best to teach them how to treat humans as humans.
+Razzle Dazzle Did you know, I called a radio station when Robin Thicke's Blurred Line's was out because a lot of kids listen to that station to ask them to dub out where he says - you the finest 'hoe' in here- or something to that effect - they say that the it was the FCC approved version. - so it's not the parents - & in most homes both parents - if there are 2 have to work...... there is no censorship on videos & they don't even play the ones we're talking about during what tv calls 'after primetime.' Now how are you going to lock up your tv & radio every time you leave if you've got kids - no...! They have - I've noticed started putting warnings on some vids...but a kid isn't going to get up & leave the room - esp if they're looking away for 2 secs & don't even see the warning....& they are making it almost impossible for our kids to grow up loving Hip Hip the way we were able to.
I kind of disagree. I understand what it's like as a teenage so am far more accepting than most. I remember being influenced by music and seeing my peers influenced by music that's how I know the effect it has. My gen had a lot of flaws too.
This is literally like the best channel on UA-cam. It's not just for people who like hip hop. I feel like this is for anybody who isn't oblivious to society as well.
the sex discussion was RIGHT on. I like how my man had to break down and help the light skinned guy think beyond his own experiences, and look at it from the perspective of these typical kids. That needed to happen.
Gdamn...been watching dehh for a while now.... Damn time flies...and look how kinge looks lol playing man. get 'em kinge, get these young bloods wit your knowledge
Negativity is a problem across all types of media in our society. Turn on the tv, what do you see? Most likely something negative. Local news is the worst of all, national news almost as bad. Specific to hip hop, it starts from the major labels and works it's way down. Major labels have one purpose, make money and mass producing tracks. They're not focused on the "artform", they wanna see those $s. We as hip hop fans need to recognize this, educate the unaware, and contribute in positive way
he wasn't demanding anything... he just appreciates what these guys do so he would like their videos to be longer. everyone who is subscribed to this channel wouldn't mind if they put out longer videos.
Exactly, that is the point. When your lyrical you are not only focusing on the subject matter but also how you put your craft together. when you are not lyrical you are subjected to listen to just either the beat or the nonsense that "rapper" is saying.
It feels great to be drug free man... I don't agree with the comment made that "being drug free isn't fun." Joy comes from the Lord I don't need to be drunk or high and act stupid...
Charlamange was such a minute part of this conversation. It was never about him not being a cool person. It was about him glorifying molly on his show and, seemingly exaggerating his usage. I don't, personally, care how cool he is.
You can make a song about what ever you want, so long as it has a positive message, and isn't the same as every other song, don't make your whole discography about one or two subjects. And yes, parents, make sure you tell your kid that most musicians, not just rappers, are usually bullshitting about most of these topics. Once you make that clear with a child if they hear those types of songs they will understand it's just a power fantasy that the can put themselves in to escape reality. That's what I did as a kid.
It'll ALWAYS be down to the two main influences of the children around us, their parents & the corporations which control our media. We're all aware of a parents responsibility, but I think many people do not realize the responsibility corporations have & how much they disregard.
I like more of the positive, socially conscious hip hop which is where I tend to lean most. However, I do like a bang bang shoot 'em up movie every once in a while as well. I like to laugh. So occasionally I'll watch a comedy. The thing is, I am not inundated with violent movie after violent movie after violent movie. It's balanced.
I think you all have some good conversations and some dope reviews for the most part. I am attaching a video that me and some of my partners did, I want to think you guys for sparking this idea back in my mind. Keep the videos coming fellas. Grace and Peace in JESUS name!!
hip hop is more blunt about these type of things. a lot of other genres will have metaphors for sex that aren't super obvious, or they'll have songs about feelings for the girl and nothing about her body. there are hip hop songs like that, but not as many. but other genres will do metaphors and feelings or whatever, and hip hop will just flat out say like "She has a nice ass" or "We fucked" or something.
Good points in this convo by everyone. Other than that, check out the new craze thats sweeping America by storm...the C Town Shuffle. MykeCTown is the MAN!!!
In my opinion its really the influence basically. Music has an influence on a child more than the parents whether there are there are not because parents are not always with their kids. the environment has a lot to do with some kids way of thinking. If you have a 30 kids talking about how they got high that one kid overhearing that will want to try it
i tend to agree cause its not an entertainer's responsibility for the well-being of the people they entertain, the responsibility ultimately falls on the parents and guardians.
One of your more interesting videos...some great points brought up, I think it comes down to the consumer. As the consumer is a proponent of these themes as the consumer keeps buying...
So if the music is inspired by the club scene then the club scene is the problem and seeing as how the club scene is a Huge part of the culture then the music is just a product of the culture, before we fix the music we have to fix the ppl listening to it
But we could say that it's playing in clubs because that's what people like and that's what people like because that's what's being fed to them. The problem is in our society (and I hate to use that term because it's so vague) and to change a society's mindset you need to patience or a revolution.
Maybe. Maybe we already reviewed. Maybe we already reviewed but just haven't released it yet. Look for it in the coming weeks. He was actually on our DEHH Approved Vol. 1 mixtape so we decided to review the kid.
Molly has been around for quite awhile, I've known for it for like years before that track came out. It's was and still is a pretty big thing in the garage rock scene. But now everyone is driving the prices up from that one Trinidad James track. I've been popping mollys long before they went mainstream.
Agreeing on Mike's point on the exaggeration of it. Dudes like Ab-Soul do talk about getting high. But they don't come out with 20 music videos on youtube of being in the strip clubs, like Wayne and Ross
Society is just done, we live in a fallen world. I remember trying to keep it clean buying censored versions etc. It got the point where half the lines were blurred. The violence, sex, and drugs is one thing. The demonic references, and upside-down crosses outrageous. People say it's a 'fad' but it's everywhere, and not just in hip hop, it's most artist. It's a 'me, me, me' culture, this life really is a 'deadend'.
ALL PUBLIC FIGURES SHOULD BE MORE RESPONSIBLE, POINT BLANK PERIOD. WHETHER THEY WANT IT OR NOT, THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF INFLUENCE (MORE THAN PARENTS IN A LOT OF CASES) AND SHOULD USE IT RESPONSIBLY..... THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS 1 OR 2 PARENTS IN CONVERSATION PALES IN COMPARISON TO HEARING 100+ CONTRASTING SONGS DAILY....
Mike is right about kids having access to the same access to the material that adults do, but the kids have even more access because newer technology is an embedded facet of this younger generation. Most adults don't even know what web browser they use, let alone how to program parental controls on a cable box or cell phone. Feefo needs to understand that kids don't look up to their parents anymore as role models because their parents are struggling and these rappers aren't.
people have to learn to balance the music they listen. all the blame shouldn't be directed at artist, corporate power, or the radio. don't be a zombie you don't have to follow the crowd or do what's popular. balance the positive and the negative.
Violence: I agree that crazy shit happens everywhere, everyday. I don't think that too many people are still using that ghetto news report as an excuse. I think artists nowadays (the ones who are real about it) are just talking from experience and the enviornment. I think it depends who's talking about it too. I would rather listen to Freddie Gibbs' raps than Gucci's because the situations are a little more realistic.
Yall should talk about the hip hop fashion trends. Like how rappers are putting on dresses and skirts and pushing the feminization of men agenda eg. Kanye west, asap rocky
Because thats what sells, and thats me saying that towards entertainment period. Anything and everything, film, sports, music, advertisements, books, almost anything that you can think of dealing with the entertainment business, boils down to, sex, money, and violence, because thats what sells.
So in other words, We should give a grown man props for promoting drugs on air for everyone to hear because he is really intelligent behind the scenes. Go Figure !!!!!
I'm actually surprised that you guys didn't talk about what you guys would like to see hip-hop's image be projected. I personally like to turn on MTV and have videos from artists like De La Soul, MF Doom, and Black Star that reach their audience on an intelligent level. I am also surprised you guys didn't bring up the Little Brother's music video for being banned on BET because it was to "intelligent." Other than that, it was a great debate.
Hip Hop doesn't account for the moral state of society it reflects it. What hip hop does do is create a right of passage to be accepted into it's culture, be it uplifting or descending. My problem is descent is uplifted and these warped images saturate the market and cloud the psyche of the youth. Common said it best when adressing the apathy of rappers that perpetuate this ideology "your verses touch the youth like a Catholic Priest!"
Actually they CAN. If they're grown then they can listen to w/e they want. Music doesn't make people want to kill or steal. It was already in their nature. You always have the choice to not take the music in yourself. Other people are gonna do what they want. Every great society doesn't fall apart because of what they were listening to, but because of human nature.
Feefo makes a valid point about girls who partake in those kind of music videos. When that Nelly video was being filmed, nobody pointed a gun to those girls heads, in other words, they didn't act under duress when they agreed to be in Nelly's video but rather did it on their own free will, and as fucked up as this may sound, it's partially their fault as to why people have such negative perceptions towards them in terms of sex image. Just my 2 cents
Great discussion guys! I think all this molly and codine rap needs to stop. I think people like Macklemore need to keep putting out music about stuff that isnt just sex and drugs.
feefo is actually right to a certain degree. major popular radio stations are paid by record companies to play their music from their artists because radio stations have to get paid somehow and big record companies like interscope and def jam pay up.
At school I see posters of MLK, M. Jordan, M. Jackson and LeBron for Black history month. Its fucked up that we recognize entertainers more than we recognize the civil rights leaders and innovators. For that reason Hip Hop has more responsibility than any other genre of music.
Well the solution to this answer is solely in the hands of the fans. The fans buys this stuff ; therefore making them the consumer . The fans choose to make this crap popular. And the some of the responsibility falls into the artist hands to also because these artist have to stop being followers and take a risk and be them selves. So it's sort of a two sider : the fans / artist
Hiphop is really all about balance imo. Hasn't hiphop been around long enough for ppl to know what it is about? In the late 70's into the 80's cocaine was embraced in hiphop. I think ppl take hiphop to seriously. You can not have artists limiting their music because of "responsibility". 2pac surely one of the most respectable artists said numerous times that he didn't want to be a role model because it put a limit on his craft. That can be applied to anyone - also when it's Flocka, Gucci types.
Good point, but we're not disrespecting females; we're disrespecting bitches. Jay-Z clarified the difference between the 2 on his song "Bitches & Sisters" off of the 2nd Blueprint.
Yeah it is, it just can't be played as prevelant on mainstream television(BET, MTV). Alot of violent artist will have party, clubbing, drug, songs as singles, and put the violent stuff on the album. Showing chicks in small, skimpy outfits is more accepted than showing people with guns shooting people, because of the mass-shootings and school violence being acted-out in real-life in the past 10yrs. I remember back in 03' 50 Cent's Many Men music vid was on MTV for like a day before it was banned.
I honestly feel like hip hop should always be composed of reflections of our respective realities. The exploitation of negative aspects of life in the inner city is rampant. We all know this but to protest something like this is senseless. Freedom of Speech is always going to be loosely interpreted as long as this country is dominated by Capitalism. I just feel there would be no reason to waste energy trying to get mainstream corporation to try to change what it will market. Morals mean nothing.
@Johann Guzman if they're not lyrical, then they probably shouldn't be rapping. he was right on the hood reporter thing. too many rappers use that as an excuse for having no talent. it's just supposed to be about being a skilled rapper period, good or negative subject matter.
Myke's view on the portrayal of women in hip hop and the impact of it are spot on.
It's crazy watching this with the perspective from 2022 knowing how many artists we've lost to ODing since this video came out
It's hurting my brain that no one is calling Feefo on this "They're just representing their reality..." argument [re: glorifying sex]. I was CRAVING someone pointing out the most basic cyclical shit to perceive: It's primarily their reality because the culture promotes it, and the culture promotes it because the kids want it, and the kids want it because they see it and want to replicate that rapper's 'reality', but it's primarily their reality because...
Ad infinitum. The point was almost there (Myke commented on the aspect of kids wanting to replicate what they see), but stopped just short of completing the observation of the cycle - that Nelly only did it because there was a precedent set by people like Nelly who came before him, and all the cyclical socio-political baggage that goes along with promoting those ideas. There was a market in the culture for treating women like sexual ornaments. If content of that sort were to somehow disappear for a generation, you can bet your nuts the market and the demand would disappear with it.
That very cycle applies to every nuance of this discussion: Sex, drugs and violence; all the same self-fulfilling narrative.
+somethinguncommon They are not - as was said in the video many young rappers starting out think they are following a money trail & copy what they think is popular... kids are & do replicate everything they see - do some research on child psychology......may be some aren't comfortable with the sexuality , but the point is .....they have no choice & most of us didn't grow up seeing anything like what's in these vids every single day - their reality ????? there are prostitutes or strip clubs in every town.....but they aren't just doing their business nude on the street in your kids face....& since it's always nude women....unless you are a gay man - I doubt if you want naked man azzz all up in your face all day, just because you want to see videos - right?
somethinguncommon Holy shit what a sound argument
It's recycled crack culture, all the women wanted a dopeman, and all the rappers want to be dope.
Hip-Hop culture reflects capitalism. Everything in the mainstream is only allowed in the mainstream as a result of competing for the most profitable product. Any rapper who goes against the culture of drug-addiction, gangbanging, misogyny and greed is not encouraged or rewarded by the industry, unless they compromise.
Also, culture does not breed culture. Material conditions breed culture. Sure, wealthy kids get into addiction, but that is more a result of the drug industry encouraging the sale of prescription and illicit drugs than culture. Gangbanging is more the result of poverty and weapons cartels than culture. Misogyny is more the result of patriarchy inherent in the system than Hip-Hop culture.
All of these things existed before Hip-Hop and will continue to exist if Hip-Hop falls out of the mainstream. To say that the culture is at fault is to feed into the false narrative that there exists a meritocracy, and that material conditions are controlled by culture. The opposite is true. Change the material conditions, and then the culture will change.
@@全泰壹-z5d That's just it what we term hip hop is manufactured culture. A Industrialized music genre, coined a culture by who, what and why ? Hip hop is Dj ing, emceeing, breaking, graffiti, and beat boxing. 4 out of the 5 elements are no longer celebrated practices. Dj is valued more as a title, than a trade. The others have been replaced by a flood of gangsters, dying to get on and pop off. Crack turned the neighborhood into the hood, and rappers became the prophets of dysfunction.
Great point Myke made at the end!. Hip hop needs take responsibility for glorifying sex and drugs. People listen to them. So its Either they speak Life or Death to the mic. You can talk about violence, sex and drugs, etc... but make it have substance where the consumer can take away something positive from it. Dead End Hip Hop
+Christian900 Exactly - you can tell a personal experience that has included this stuff - but use it to teach lessons - because everyone will learn them eventually - lots of lyricists write about for example getting locked up for maybe selling drugs, learning their lesson - & trying to do better things - music is a powerful force & it is a responsibility to have that mic - imagine if they were actually just , saying, not rapping, but going to schools saying these things & jading kids about the opposite sex & telling them 'everybody' does this - it's illegal but do it anyway.....if an artist is truly talented they can write songs that save lives, change minds & change society's views....
Right on
Kinge's pronunciation of "sex":
Sez
+Semaj J. Yksnipel makes films just dieded
agreed man, sadly most people don't have good parents that are good role models. Every child needs a good role model
ive never ever heard Charlemagne say im popping Molly or anything about molly for that mattwr
I find it kinda funny how a group like Chiddy Bang gets discredited and bashed for being too positive. Sure, the dude talks about smoking weed and partying, but it's in a happy way lol. I think Chiddy Bang does it in a positive way
I don't think there is anything wrong with having sex drugs and violence as themes in your music as long as it's done in a creative way. What makes the modern guys bad is the generic and irresponsible way they use these themes. Look at Hendrix or other rock stars from that era. They made great music on these topics. Look at people like Danny brown now too! XXX was a great drug album.
Louis Nevers you kidding right?
***** but they are still huge topics. Millions can relate to sex, drugs and partying whether positive or negative, which is why it's prevalent in every genre
***** what are you talking about? Did I say I only listen to songs with that theme? No I didn't. My musical palette is probably wider than yours. You just disregarded what I actually said.
***** lol so what counts as widening my palette?
+Joseph Okori if you think thats all hiphop is , you're the fucking idiot.
Mike speaking the truth as per usual! Big ups for this video!
This has got to be one of my favorite episodes in a long time. So many quotable lines and agreeable points. Great episode DEHH.
We've made that point before and this wasn't really a discussion about mainstream vs underground artists. I feel what you're saying, though.
I agree with feefo. I think the problem is on the viewers and the parents. I get that they are kids and its next 2 impossible 2 stop them from viewing and bein influenced by this stuff but really should we care? Like I don't want MY content censored or reduced cause we know kids will see it.
and its not fair to place that on the artist either. They should be able to create their art without limitations. Thats how we get amazing art. Censorship ruins that.
So sorry to your kids. Just do your best to teach them how to treat humans as humans.
+Razzle Dazzle Did you know, I called a radio station when Robin Thicke's Blurred Line's was out because a lot of kids listen to that station to ask them to dub out where he says - you the finest 'hoe' in here- or something to that effect - they say that the it was the FCC approved version. - so it's not the parents - & in most homes both parents - if there are 2 have to work...... there is no censorship on videos & they don't even play the ones we're talking about during what tv calls 'after primetime.' Now how are you going to lock up your tv & radio every time you leave if you've got kids - no...! They have - I've noticed started putting warnings on some vids...but a kid isn't going to get up & leave the room - esp if they're looking away for 2 secs & don't even see the warning....& they are making it almost impossible for our kids to grow up loving Hip Hip the way we were able to.
@@JesgateOnDown it is what it is
Intelligent and necessary conversation, I like it deadend is saying what needs to be said
I kind of disagree. I understand what it's like as a teenage so am far more accepting than most. I remember being influenced by music and seeing my peers influenced by music that's how I know the effect it has. My gen had a lot of flaws too.
This is literally like the best channel on UA-cam. It's not just for people who like hip hop. I feel like this is for anybody who isn't oblivious to society as well.
the sex discussion was RIGHT on. I like how my man had to break down and help the light skinned guy think beyond his own experiences, and look at it from the perspective of these typical kids. That needed to happen.
Gdamn...been watching dehh for a while now.... Damn time flies...and look how kinge looks lol playing man. get 'em kinge, get these young bloods wit your knowledge
7 years later, what you think of DEHH now?
This guy should manage us. We all thought this was a hip hop related discussion, but clearly we were wrong. Ooopsie!
Negativity is a problem across all types of media in our society. Turn on the tv, what do you see? Most likely something negative. Local news is the worst of all, national news almost as bad.
Specific to hip hop, it starts from the major labels and works it's way down. Major labels have one purpose, make money and mass producing tracks. They're not focused on the "artform", they wanna see those $s. We as hip hop fans need to recognize this, educate the unaware, and contribute in positive way
lol Im standing here talking to my computer screen like im actually apart of the conversation.
Loved watching the conversation wish I was a part of it
he wasn't demanding anything... he just appreciates what these guys do so he would like their videos to be longer. everyone who is subscribed to this channel wouldn't mind if they put out longer videos.
Exactly, that is the point. When your lyrical you are not only focusing on the subject matter but also how you put your craft together. when you are not lyrical you are subjected to listen to just either the beat or the nonsense that "rapper" is saying.
Because the Bosses want it that way, and people blindly follow.
I love what you brotha's do. Thank you. Keep it up.
It feels great to be drug free man... I don't agree with the comment made that "being drug free isn't fun." Joy comes from the Lord I don't need to be drunk or high and act stupid...
It's honestly depressing how relevant this conversation is. We'll never learn.
Charlamange was such a minute part of this conversation. It was never about him not being a cool person. It was about him glorifying molly on his show and, seemingly exaggerating his usage. I don't, personally, care how cool he is.
You can make a song about what ever you want, so long as it has a positive message, and isn't the same as every other song, don't make your whole discography about one or two subjects.
And yes, parents, make sure you tell your kid that most musicians, not just rappers, are usually bullshitting about most of these topics.
Once you make that clear with a child if they hear those types of songs they will understand it's just a power fantasy that the can put themselves in to escape reality. That's what I did as a kid.
Good video. I agree with Myke, as usual.
It'll ALWAYS be down to the two main influences of the children around us, their parents & the corporations which control our media. We're all aware of a parents responsibility, but I think many people do not realize the responsibility corporations have & how much they disregard.
Well...first time anyone's ever said that. Thanks.
Good point, it's like if you are lyrical you get a free pass. But the mainstream rappers glorify bad things a lot more in general
"mac miller still talks about it" now he's dead too.
I like more of the positive, socially conscious hip hop which is where I tend to lean most. However, I do like a bang bang shoot 'em up movie every once in a while as well. I like to laugh. So occasionally I'll watch a comedy. The thing is, I am not inundated with violent movie after violent movie after violent movie. It's balanced.
This one needed a part 2. Great discussion.
One comment that didn‘t age well: Lean is still cool, MacMiller still talks about it.
I think you all have some good conversations and some dope reviews for the most part. I am attaching a video that me and some of my partners did, I want to think you guys for sparking this idea back in my mind. Keep the videos coming fellas. Grace and Peace in JESUS name!!
good talk.
hip hop is more blunt about these type of things. a lot of other genres will have metaphors for sex that aren't super obvious, or they'll have songs about feelings for the girl and nothing about her body. there are hip hop songs like that, but not as many. but other genres will do metaphors and feelings or whatever, and hip hop will just flat out say like "She has a nice ass" or "We fucked" or something.
Good points in this convo by everyone. Other than that, check out the new craze thats sweeping America by storm...the C Town Shuffle. MykeCTown is the MAN!!!
In my opinion its really the influence basically. Music has an influence on a child more than the parents whether there are there are not because parents are not always with their kids. the environment has a lot to do with some kids way of thinking. If you have a 30 kids talking about how they got high that one kid overhearing that will want to try it
i tend to agree cause its not an entertainer's responsibility for the well-being of the people they entertain, the responsibility ultimately falls on the parents and guardians.
One of your more interesting videos...some great points brought up, I think it comes down to the consumer. As the consumer is a proponent of these themes as the consumer keeps buying...
So if the music is inspired by the club scene then the club scene is the problem and seeing as how the club scene is a Huge part of the culture then the music is just a product of the culture, before we fix the music we have to fix the ppl listening to it
I agree
you changed my prespective so damn much
But we could say that it's playing in clubs because that's what people like and that's what people like because that's what's being fed to them. The problem is in our society (and I hate to use that term because it's so vague) and to change a society's mindset you need to patience or a revolution.
***** Semantics...
yall gotta start recording in 1080p, i love your guys videos.
Cudi is sober now and his songs are trippy and he talks about getting high sometimes.
wow great conversation guys! very tame on all sides and brought out all your perspectives.
I'm with feefo, just because kids see something does not mean it will affect their perception of reality.
Maybe. Maybe we already reviewed. Maybe we already reviewed but just haven't released it yet. Look for it in the coming weeks. He was actually on our DEHH Approved Vol. 1 mixtape so we decided to review the kid.
Molly has been around for quite awhile, I've known for it for like years before that track came out. It's was and still is a pretty big thing in the garage rock scene. But now everyone is driving the prices up from that one Trinidad James track. I've been popping mollys long before they went mainstream.
I was using parenting as an example of people that want to point fingers at a certain music genre.
Agreeing on Mike's point on the exaggeration of it. Dudes like Ab-Soul do talk about getting high. But they don't come out with 20 music videos on youtube of being in the strip clubs, like Wayne and Ross
Society is just done, we live in a fallen world. I remember trying to keep it clean buying censored versions etc. It got the point where half the lines were blurred. The violence, sex, and drugs is one thing. The demonic references, and upside-down crosses outrageous. People say it's a 'fad' but it's everywhere, and not just in hip hop, it's most artist. It's a 'me, me, me' culture, this life really is a 'deadend'.
Feefo always has the best points
ALL PUBLIC FIGURES SHOULD BE MORE RESPONSIBLE, POINT BLANK PERIOD. WHETHER THEY WANT IT OR NOT, THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF INFLUENCE (MORE THAN PARENTS IN A LOT OF CASES) AND SHOULD USE IT RESPONSIBLY..... THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS 1 OR 2 PARENTS IN CONVERSATION PALES IN COMPARISON TO HEARING 100+ CONTRASTING SONGS DAILY....
Hahahaha!!! I love the way the episode turned into "Feefo paints himself into a corner...again!"
Negative images in mainstream hip hop aren't just acceptable they are essential
So does "Gettin' Jiggy With It."
Convo coming this week bro!
Mike is right about kids having access to the same access to the material that adults do, but the kids have even more access because newer technology is an embedded facet of this younger generation. Most adults don't even know what web browser they use, let alone how to program parental controls on a cable box or cell phone. Feefo needs to understand that kids don't look up to their parents anymore as role models because their parents are struggling and these rappers aren't.
I could've swore I've seen this thumbnail on another dehh video.
I've never been to a house party where people are throwing money, none of us are that stupid.
people have to learn to balance the music they listen. all the blame shouldn't be directed at artist, corporate power, or the radio. don't be a zombie you don't have to follow the crowd or do what's popular. balance the positive and the negative.
Violence: I agree that crazy shit happens everywhere, everyday. I don't think that too many people are still using that ghetto news report as an excuse. I think artists nowadays (the ones who are real about it) are just talking from experience and the enviornment. I think it depends who's talking about it too. I would rather listen to Freddie Gibbs' raps than Gucci's because the situations are a little more realistic.
love these guys discussions mannnn ~
Yall should talk about the hip hop fashion trends. Like how rappers are putting on dresses and skirts and pushing the feminization of men agenda eg. Kanye west, asap rocky
I definitely like underground negative images better than mainstream negative images if you can figure that out
Because thats what sells, and thats me saying that towards entertainment period. Anything and everything, film, sports, music, advertisements, books, almost anything that you can think of dealing with the entertainment business, boils down to, sex, money, and violence, because thats what sells.
+Idiots relax.
So in other words, We should give a grown man props for promoting drugs on air for everyone to hear because he is really intelligent behind the scenes. Go Figure !!!!!
I'm actually surprised that you guys didn't talk about what you guys would like to see hip-hop's image be projected. I personally like to turn on MTV and have videos from artists like De La Soul, MF Doom, and Black Star that reach their audience on an intelligent level. I am also surprised you guys didn't bring up the Little Brother's music video for being banned on BET because it was to "intelligent." Other than that, it was a great debate.
Not because you see something doesn't mean you should follow it have your own mind
Hip Hop doesn't account for the moral state of society it reflects it. What hip hop does do is create a right of passage to be accepted into it's culture, be it uplifting or descending. My problem is descent is uplifted and these warped images saturate the market and cloud the psyche of the youth. Common said it best when adressing the apathy of rappers that perpetuate this ideology "your verses touch the youth like a Catholic Priest!"
"That's just how I roll" Hell yes
Actually they CAN. If they're grown then they can listen to w/e they want. Music doesn't make people want to kill or steal. It was already in their nature. You always have the choice to not take the music in yourself. Other people are gonna do what they want. Every great society doesn't fall apart because of what they were listening to, but because of human nature.
Feefo makes a valid point about girls who partake in those kind of music videos. When that Nelly video was being filmed, nobody pointed a gun to those girls heads, in other words, they didn't act under duress when they agreed to be in Nelly's video but rather did it on their own free will, and as fucked up as this may sound, it's partially their fault as to why people have such negative perceptions towards them in terms of sex image. Just my 2 cents
Great discussion guys! I think all this molly and codine rap needs to stop. I think people like Macklemore need to keep putting out music about stuff that isnt just sex and drugs.
I was THINKING "What ever happened to the dope intro video?" and it came up.
Juicy J said he doesn't go crazy on the drugs.He said you'll never hear about him oding.
feefo is actually right to a certain degree. major popular radio stations are paid by record companies to play their music from their artists because radio stations have to get paid somehow and big record companies like interscope and def jam pay up.
Also every House Party I've ever been is not even comparable to what Myke is saying.
At school I see posters of MLK, M. Jordan, M. Jackson and LeBron for Black history month. Its fucked up that we recognize entertainers more than we recognize the civil rights leaders and innovators. For that reason Hip Hop has more responsibility than any other genre of music.
Well the solution to this answer is solely in the hands of the fans. The fans buys this stuff ; therefore making them the consumer . The fans choose to make this crap popular. And the some of the responsibility falls into the artist hands to also because these artist have to stop being followers and take a risk and be them selves. So it's sort of a two sider : the fans / artist
I was waiting for this drugs and hip hop conversation
Hiphop is really all about balance imo. Hasn't hiphop been around long enough for ppl to know what it is about? In the late 70's into the 80's cocaine was embraced in hiphop. I think ppl take hiphop to seriously. You can not have artists limiting their music because of "responsibility". 2pac surely one of the most respectable artists said numerous times that he didn't want to be a role model because it put a limit on his craft. That can be applied to anyone - also when it's Flocka, Gucci types.
Yes.. I wish we stop blaming guys for disrespecting females when it's the females that makes up their own decision...
Good point, but we're not disrespecting females; we're disrespecting bitches. Jay-Z clarified the difference between the 2 on his song "Bitches & Sisters" off of the 2nd Blueprint.
You can't really blame any one entity in the constant promotion of drug use and misogyny. It's engrained in the cultural hivemind.
@skittlerancher18 Right.That music at most just exposed who they really were anyway with their craziness and whatnot.
Yeah it is, it just can't be played as prevelant on mainstream television(BET, MTV). Alot of violent artist will have party, clubbing, drug, songs as singles, and put the violent stuff on the album. Showing chicks in small, skimpy outfits is more accepted than showing people with guns shooting people, because of the mass-shootings and school violence being acted-out in real-life in the past 10yrs. I remember back in 03' 50 Cent's Many Men music vid was on MTV for like a day before it was banned.
This goes back to the Should Hip Hop be responsible videos
My man. Appreciate that!
Best response ever!
molly is pretty safe if it's just MDMA, but the main problem with it is that it can be cut with anything
I honestly feel like hip hop should always be composed of reflections of our respective realities. The exploitation of negative aspects of life in the inner city is rampant. We all know this but to protest something like this is senseless. Freedom of Speech is always going to be loosely interpreted as long as this country is dominated by Capitalism. I just feel there would be no reason to waste energy trying to get mainstream corporation to try to change what it will market. Morals mean nothing.
This is good , great video on Hip hop moving it on a different level.
You do not have to do drugs to have fun! People to make kids understand this. That shit is not fun!
@Johann Guzman if they're not lyrical, then they probably shouldn't be rapping. he was right on the hood reporter thing. too many rappers use that as an excuse for having no talent. it's just supposed to be about being a skilled rapper period, good or negative subject matter.
"PEOPLE ARE SHEEPLE" DAMN RIGHT MYKE!
Fucking One Of The Greatest Albums Of All Time Period. Black Star is In My Top 10 Of All Time