I agree that we shouldn't just put all of the blame on a young kid like Chief Keef, but there's been a long line of rappers who have essentially turned violence into a business that came before him. I agree with Myke that people who hype Keef up as being great have a hand in this as well.
This is by far and away the best conversation about the George Zimmerman verdict I've seen. Instead of talking about things needing to change people should first address why things are the way they currently are, and this is the only video I've seen do that.
you cant blame hip hop for the violence in African American communities. hip hop is an entertainment platform. do we blame Steven Spielberg and Quentin Tarantino for violence in the white communities because of the violence in the movies they create? its entertainment.
The fact that over 70 people getting murdered here in Chicago in sometimes only a two day stretch is getting ignored by mainstream media as something that is "ordinary" is terrifying to me. It's as if we don't exist. There is a mentality in this city that essentially pegs the Northside (the upperclass side) as the only existent part of the city. And I hate it, I exist too.
I'm late but I just saw this. Why do we make rappers feel obligated to speak on issues? They should ONLY speak on things if they want to. And all this "we can't cry over Trayon if we listen to violence in music" miss me with that bullshit. It's entertainment. I'll say it again IT'S ENTERTAINMENT! VIOLENCE EXISTED WAY BEFORE RAP!! Rap had NOTHING to do with his death! As far as stereotypes, Black people are stereotyped and that's way before rap! Stop blaming rap for everything wrong in the world!
Wow. Kudos to DEHH! This is surprisingly the most interesting dialogue about Trayvon Martin I've heard yet! Forget MSNBC! Forget CNN! Forget Fox! I never would have thought that a hip hop channel would have such a balanced, thought provoking conversation about such a upsetting/controversial subject.
Why is everyone talking about the specifics of the case if what you're repeating your subjective point of view on it? I agree with Myke's approach to the conversation, this should really be about the issues that the case has bought back to the forefront, rather than a verdict that we cannot change and a case that none of us truly know about...
"surprisingly?" DEHH provide better opinions on albums than most "popular" reviewers out there! I always agree with at least one of the crew on their opinion on a project and they raise phenomenal points! This discussion doesn't surprise me, before I clicked on the video I made me some dinner and sat my ass down with some water cause I knew I was in for an emotional, mature and well thought out discussion. RESPECT to the DEHH crew.
Man, I love this type of serious discussion. You guys should do more, i'd watch you guys talk about music, politics, sports or whatever. It's such a nice diverse set of opinions and mentalities. Keep it up.
True. I'm a fan of DEHH. But, first impression was that they may have felt obligated to talk about Trayvon and that the discussion wasn't going to be anything I haven't already heard about the subject. But, gotta say that DEHH surprised me on this one. So intelligent and balanced. I even showed this to my mom who doesn't even listen to much hip hop and she thought it was fantastic! She thought it was better than anything she's seen on television. I hope this goes viral!
I'm gonna have to disagree with myke (which funnily enough I rarely disagree with him). I think myke is transferring too much of the blame away from zimmerman and onto the black community. We should not make excuses for zimmermans ignorance just because he believed in stereotypes of black people.
I think asking if hip hop should respond is soon nothing but continuum the ducked up cycle were already in. You should be asking if music should respond. This affected the country not just the black community.
I think it`s actually a good thing that you guys chose to address this topic. The varying opinions make for an entertaining and intelligent conversation. I personally feel like Myke is right on point. We must address the underlying problems rather than point to any single case as the catalyst for racial oppression in this country.
i completely agree with myke. i was so angry when everybody focused so much on this one case. and acted as if they knew what happened/was there. this case in particular is not anymore important than all of the other cases of black/white people killing other blacks in the "hood".
Another opinion of mine. I think we need to focus on one race. The human race. All this talk about our own people and "them" is only hurting society as a whole. Being conscious of cultural differences is one thing but the abundance if exclusivity in this country is fucking us up.
MykeCtown was really on point in this video. I may not agree with everything he says, but more often than not, I'm on the same wavelength. Much props to Feefo as well. Really enjoyed this video. The lady in the video is fine as hell too.
The point though, is that the kid who was shot for "looking black in a black hoodie" was recognized as that, was recognized as a danger, because of how hip hop portrays black youth in our generation
And that's why it should have been criminal negligence, he was reckless to follow Trayvon, but murder and/or manslaughter wasn't going to hold in court.
First and foremost, condolences to Trayvon's family! This is about more than politics, it's about heart and compassion. We as Hiphop should be taking responsibility and we should hold each-other accountable for what we contribute to our culture (positive neutral or negative). check "Talk to Me (Tribute to Trayvon)" it's a message we all need to hear. "What if Trayvon killed a white kid/ he'd be indicted without a chance to fight it." Peace
Kelly is absolutely right about what she said referencing the African girl's view on how America tells a story. We completely lose the context of the story. It's spun to sound in correlation to a specific audiences bias, whether it be Black, White, Hispanic, gay, straight, Democrat, Republican, or Independent. This is something that Blacks deal with on a constant basis. Nobody cares about our context, only that we are continuously vilified.
Great conversation..... I think the bigger question is how do we learn from these situations and begin to take steps to create the would we would like to see.
Interesting conversation. As a young person myself who listens to all kinds of rap music I can say that me and all my friends listen to rap as entertainment, we all understand where a Chief Keef or a Waka Flocka comes from. I think it's kinda crazy to assume that we all don't understand right from wrong and only listen for negative messages but other than that great video.
I disagree with Mike C town. Rappers have zero responsibility when it comes to violence in a community and their music, they are artists. Does anyone blame James Gandolfini, Robert Dinero, Al Pachino, or Bryan Cranston when they come on their TV and murder people by the dozens? No. They just talk about what geniuses they are and how they love the entertainment. When it comes to how these "artists" behave when they are not behind the mic that is where positive change needs to be made.
Hip Hop should respond because in this culture there's a lot of trayvon's out there trying to make it in the music industry. It would be foolish of hip hop to ignore the Trayvon case.
He didn't just defend himself, he profiled and followed the kid, the kid reacted like any kid who thought he was in danger, he did shoot in defense, but served no time because what the court is saying is basically that racial profiling is legal. That's what blacks are mad about, him not doing the case proves its ok to profile people.
It's stupid to me that the Zimmerman case is what was needed for this discussion to happen because I don't think race was a factor in what happened. But I'm glad you guys had this discussion.
"positivity is not profitable anymore" Not sure if I entirely agree with that, partly cause there are successful mainstream artist pushing positivity like Kendrick and Macklemore (even if I dont like him), but mainly just cause you made it sound like a change. Hip Hop has been less encouraging of gang violence now then at any point in the last 25 or so years.
Im from South Africa Looking in from the outside and I have to say Dead end hip hop really opened up my mind about hip hop and the way we interpret it.
I liked both sides of the argument, i think they are both right. There is a problem with automatically categorizing Trayvon Martin as a threat, and judging him based on entertainment music. There is also a problem with rappers being poor role models. Both sides can be right at the same time, and i believe both are correct.
People do not like positivity in hip hop. People HATED Eminem Recovery album. Calling him a sell out because he made radio friendly songs. But in those radio friendly songs he was talking about his drug addiction and telling people it not call to pop pills and to get out of a violent relation. Including you Myke.
He didn't pull the gun out on him until he was beating him up. If George and Trayvon would have reasonably talked instead of intentionally fought then he would have been alive right now.
Probably the best discussion I've seen about Trayvon, great job! This is vaguely related. I got a question for folks. Do you think there are certain topics within hip hop that white members should remove themselves from? Or does everyone have some value in their opinion, regardless of context?
People do die everyday but high profile cases like trayvons death should be used as a stepping stone for change. Zimmerman is an adult who persued a teenager after he was told by police dispatch not to do so and as a result the teen was shot. When it went to court the killer was set free. This is a prime example of what occurs in the world everyday. So shouldn't we as a people be striving to prevent senseless killings and also promote a more just judicial system?
the story has been blown out of proportion. it should of never been a race thing. we are quick to either state that either trayvon was a thug or that the shooter was racist. nobody was there but we are all still have to put out an opinion based on hear-say. we all are stronger together. unity triumphs over all.
The fact that everybody is exploding the Zimmerman case, which like Myke said happened in the suburbs, instead of covering places like Chicago to a degree where people would want to change it is a problem.
I agree that we shouldn't just put all of the blame on a young kid like Chief Keef, but there's been a long line of rappers who have essentially turned violence into a business that came before him. I agree with Myke that people who hype Keef up as being great have a hand in this as well.
stfu
I'm the biggest hypocrite of 2015
"theres never been a revolution without violence" soo true
i see Kdot, Drake, J cole, Big Krit, logic and Wale as more positive than negative rappers.
Iam drake don't talk about shit
Iam Wtf you a drake stan?
King Kirin dropping a bar, and speaking in it are 2 different things
They are a minority though
C-Town and Feefo delivered on this. On point
This is by far and away the best conversation about the George Zimmerman verdict I've seen. Instead of talking about things needing to change people should first address why things are the way they currently are, and this is the only video I've seen do that.
you cant blame hip hop for the violence in African American communities. hip hop is an entertainment platform. do we blame Steven Spielberg and Quentin Tarantino for violence in the white communities because of the violence in the movies they create? its entertainment.
the different is these rappers portray the raps as being real.
Movies don’t influence people in the same way rap does
@@kevinschulze5258 that isn't true
I too am guilty of taking this single case more seriously than deaths that are happening everyday. I apologize to everyone.
The fact that over 70 people getting murdered here in Chicago in sometimes only a two day stretch is getting ignored by mainstream media as something that is "ordinary" is terrifying to me. It's as if we don't exist. There is a mentality in this city that essentially pegs the Northside (the upperclass side) as the only existent part of the city. And I hate it, I exist too.
I'm late but I just saw this. Why do we make rappers feel obligated to speak on issues? They should ONLY speak on things if they want to. And all this "we can't cry over Trayon if we listen to violence in music" miss me with that bullshit. It's entertainment. I'll say it again IT'S ENTERTAINMENT! VIOLENCE EXISTED WAY BEFORE RAP!! Rap had NOTHING to do with his death! As far as stereotypes, Black people are stereotyped and that's way before rap! Stop blaming rap for everything wrong in the world!
Thanks guys. This is the most realest show you have done. It's dope.
C Town ALWAYS talkin the realest.
From album reviews to social issues.
Wow. Kudos to DEHH! This is surprisingly the most interesting dialogue about Trayvon Martin I've heard yet! Forget MSNBC! Forget CNN! Forget Fox! I never would have thought that a hip hop channel would have such a balanced, thought provoking conversation about such a upsetting/controversial subject.
Why is everyone talking about the specifics of the case if what you're repeating your subjective point of view on it? I agree with Myke's approach to the conversation, this should really be about the issues that the case has bought back to the forefront, rather than a verdict that we cannot change and a case that none of us truly know about...
This was a great discussion
amen.
I keep thinking they about to pan over to beezy and im so disappointed to see his uncomfortable ass on there
"surprisingly?" DEHH provide better opinions on albums than most "popular" reviewers out there! I always agree with at least one of the crew on their opinion on a project and they raise phenomenal points! This discussion doesn't surprise me, before I clicked on the video I made me some dinner and sat my ass down with some water cause I knew I was in for an emotional, mature and well thought out discussion. RESPECT to the DEHH crew.
Man, I love this type of serious discussion. You guys should do more, i'd watch you guys talk about music, politics, sports or whatever. It's such a nice diverse set of opinions and mentalities. Keep it up.
True. I'm a fan of DEHH. But, first impression was that they may have felt obligated to talk about Trayvon and that the discussion wasn't going to be anything I haven't already heard about the subject. But, gotta say that DEHH surprised me on this one. So intelligent and balanced. I even showed this to my mom who doesn't even listen to much hip hop and she thought it was fantastic! She thought it was better than anything she's seen on television. I hope this goes viral!
great conversation. very insightful and has me thinking about a lot of things pertaining to violence in hip-hop.
C-Town is so smart. I'm serious, everything he says is always new to me and I agree with him 99% of the times.
While I agree with Myke, Beezy summed it up with just a few words and not dominating the conversation
I'm gonna have to disagree with myke (which funnily enough I rarely disagree with him). I think myke is transferring too much of the blame away from zimmerman and onto the black community. We should not make excuses for zimmermans ignorance just because he believed in stereotypes of black people.
I think asking if hip hop should respond is soon nothing but continuum the ducked up cycle were already in. You should be asking if music should respond. This affected the country not just the black community.
I like this discussion. Keep posting (besides music reviews) these kind of dicussions so we can elevate our genre and youth!!!
This was some real talk. I was amazing they were willing to go where they went with this conversation. Props DEHH.
Thank you Beezy, Feefo and Myke for using common sense.
I think it`s actually a good thing that you guys chose to address this topic. The varying opinions make for an entertaining and intelligent conversation. I personally feel like Myke is right on point. We must address the underlying problems rather than point to any single case as the catalyst for racial oppression in this country.
Feefo and Myke hit the nail right on the head
Hip Hop is need of a group with energy equivalent to ATCQ
i completely agree with myke. i was so angry when everybody focused so much on this one case. and acted as if they knew what happened/was there. this case in particular is not anymore important than all of the other cases of black/white people killing other blacks in the "hood".
but even he has written raps that are violent.
oh boy...i havent even watched the vid yet but i saw the title and im ready for this convo man
Another opinion of mine. I think we need to focus on one race. The human race. All this talk about our own people and "them" is only hurting society as a whole. Being conscious of cultural differences is one thing but the abundance if exclusivity in this country is fucking us up.
MykeCtown was really on point in this video. I may not agree with everything he says, but more often than not, I'm on the same wavelength. Much props to Feefo as well.
Really enjoyed this video. The lady in the video is fine as hell too.
This is @BlackMoonTyler (not @BlackRoseTyler) but I'm so glad to hear y'all do this topic and interested in your opinion on the subject.
This Kelly girl crazy
shes cool
when feefo has one of the best articulated points in an ask dehh we've got issues lol
The point though, is that the kid who was shot for "looking black in a black hoodie" was recognized as that, was recognized as a danger, because of how hip hop portrays black youth in our generation
And that's why it should have been criminal negligence, he was reckless to follow Trayvon, but murder and/or manslaughter wasn't going to hold in court.
i think it's ridiculous that some people NEED someone to tell them that entertainment is entertainment.
When you're talking about entertainment, this songs fits it perfectly T.I. ft Usher - My Life, Your Entertainment
Only a few rappers can talk about Trayvon...
Immortal Technique, Lupe Fiasco,and people in that category
First and foremost, condolences to Trayvon's family! This is about more than politics, it's about heart and compassion. We as Hiphop should be taking responsibility and we should hold each-other accountable for what we contribute to our culture (positive neutral or negative). check "Talk to Me (Tribute to Trayvon)" it's a message we all need to hear. "What if Trayvon killed a white kid/ he'd be indicted without a chance to fight it."
Peace
I think that if there is a response in hip hop it needs to be done responsibly and not done by threatening George Zimmerman.
Kelly is absolutely right about what she said referencing the African girl's view on how America tells a story. We completely lose the context of the story. It's spun to sound in correlation to a specific audiences bias, whether it be Black, White, Hispanic, gay, straight, Democrat, Republican, or Independent. This is something that Blacks deal with on a constant basis. Nobody cares about our context, only that we are continuously vilified.
Great conversation..... I think the bigger question is how do we learn from these situations and begin to take steps to create the would we would like to see.
Great topic, you should have Kelly in more of your discussions.
I still don't understand how you can get away with murder in the US regardless of race. It doesn't make any sense to me.
Myke's first three sentences described my feelings exactly!
6:42 - 6:50 the greatest southern accent ever to be heard, done by Myke C Town *claps*
Right vid to be #300 DEHH...keep it going!
Kendrick lamar-real.
if that case was myke was saying in the beginning Eminem is head of that list cuz he always talking about killing people lmao
Interesting conversation. As a young person myself who listens to all kinds of rap music I can say that me and all my friends listen to rap as entertainment, we all understand where a Chief Keef or a Waka Flocka comes from. I think it's kinda crazy to assume that we all don't understand right from wrong and only listen for negative messages but other than that great video.
I disagree with Mike C town. Rappers have zero responsibility when it comes to violence in a community and their music, they are artists. Does anyone blame James Gandolfini, Robert Dinero, Al Pachino, or Bryan Cranston when they come on their TV and murder people by the dozens? No. They just talk about what geniuses they are and how they love the entertainment. When it comes to how these "artists" behave when they are not behind the mic that is where positive change needs to be made.
A bit of a leap of logic to go from "Trayvon shouldn't have responded so violently" to conclude that "Zimmerman should be in jail, though."
But ppl do need to realize that this happens all over the country everyday
The more arguing in DEHH the better the conversation IMO
I love you kenbro!!!! Keep it up you guys!!! Myke geeked up on this one.
Hip Hop should respond because in this culture there's a lot of trayvon's out there trying to make it in the music industry. It would be foolish of hip hop to ignore the Trayvon case.
I can't wait for Part 2. I agree with Myke C-Town and Feefo
He wasn't "simply informing police", he actually followed him with a gun after "police" told him not to.
100 percent agreed. Was one of few points I thought was just way out of line.
He didn't just defend himself, he profiled and followed the kid, the kid reacted like any kid who thought he was in danger, he did shoot in defense, but served no time because what the court is saying is basically that racial profiling is legal. That's what blacks are mad about, him not doing the case proves its ok to profile people.
Mike is on a whole different level of intellect.
Great video, can't wait for part two
It good to see yall givin this info.
It's stupid to me that the Zimmerman case is what was needed for this discussion to happen because I don't think race was a factor in what happened. But I'm glad you guys had this discussion.
"positivity is not profitable anymore"
Not sure if I entirely agree with that, partly cause there are successful mainstream artist pushing positivity like Kendrick and Macklemore (even if I dont like him), but mainly just cause you made it sound like a change. Hip Hop has been less encouraging of gang violence now then at any point in the last 25 or so years.
I like what Myke and Feefo said about making drugs and gangs into entertainment and being ok with that.
I'll stick with listening to the main four. They made the most points. To which, I couldn't do anything else but agree with.
lol I had a feeling it was going to be a part 2... Y'all was on the money.
Im from South Africa Looking in from the outside and I have to say Dead end hip hop really opened up my mind about hip hop and the way we interpret it.
It's not a daddy issue, it's PR. The only outreach the black voice has in mass media is our music. Let's stay on topic.
I liked both sides of the argument, i think they are both right. There is a problem with automatically categorizing Trayvon Martin as a threat, and judging him based on entertainment music. There is also a problem with rappers being poor role models.
Both sides can be right at the same time, and i believe both are correct.
I currently teach at a prison and you guys are right about the new generation of kids. They no longer fight. Its shoot first, ask questions later.
DEHH vs guests
We need more of this kind of discussions...like really
People do not like positivity in hip hop. People HATED Eminem Recovery album. Calling him a sell out because he made radio friendly songs. But in those radio friendly songs he was talking about his drug addiction and telling people it not call to pop pills and to get out of a violent relation. Including you Myke.
Very interesting discussion; a lot of valid points. I enjoyed this.
You made some very good points sister. Props to you.
He didn't pull the gun out on him until he was beating him up. If George and Trayvon would have reasonably talked instead of intentionally fought then he would have been alive right now.
Glad I subscribed to you guys. Interesting conversation.
Probably the best discussion I've seen about Trayvon, great job! This is vaguely related. I got a question for folks. Do you think there are certain topics within hip hop that white members should remove themselves from? Or does everyone have some value in their opinion, regardless of context?
People do die everyday but high profile cases like trayvons death should be used as a stepping stone for change. Zimmerman is an adult who persued a teenager after he was told by police dispatch not to do so and as a result the teen was shot. When it went to court the killer was set free. This is a prime example of what occurs in the world everyday. So shouldn't we as a people be striving to prevent senseless killings and also promote a more just judicial system?
the story has been blown out of proportion. it should of never been a race thing. we are quick to either state that either trayvon was a thug or that the shooter was racist. nobody was there but we are all still have to put out an opinion based on hear-say. we all are stronger together. unity triumphs over all.
The fact that everybody is exploding the Zimmerman case, which like Myke said happened in the suburbs, instead of covering places like Chicago to a degree where people would want to change it is a problem.
C-Town's conversation opening shows that he should be some kind of philosophical professor
I agree with you for the most part. But just because your hispanic doesnt mean you cant be prejudiced.
I 100% agree with Myke on this.
Yes it is a law against following someone, its called harassment.
i think this is one of your guys best videos
the problem are the fans not the artist people have made hip hop the way it is
Yeh, it doesn't have to be for weeks but it has to be on repeated occasions, not ONE. Following someone on one occasion IS NOT a crime.
They're all smart in their own way. That's why I love this show.
Wow what a dumb point she was trying to make at 8:56
Myke be preaching that real shit.
Hip Hop has been responding way back before This particular case even happened