Three Dog Night - Shambala - 45 RPM Original True Mono exactly as heard on the radio
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- Опубліковано 9 жов 2012
- Original ABC Dunhill Records #4352 radio station promotional copy
Debut 5/19/1973
Peaked at #3 on the Billboard Hot 100 Chart.
As featured in the TV Series "Lost".
Interesting history behind this record - There does NOT exist a true stereo version of this tune. Only true mono and fake stereo versions exist, and unfortunately there are WAY too many of the fake stereo versions floating around!
This is the original radio station promotional copy, and ironically, the side that says "stereo", is completely wrong. It is a true mono version only. The side I play on this video is of the mono side, and this too is in true mono, but with one major exception. Knowing that the monster Top 40 AM radio stations of the day would only play the mono side, ABC Dunhill pumped up the compression, which made the record louder, which made the song jump out of the radio speakers. That attracted the listener's attention, which resulted in a more popular record, and hence greater sales!
There are many stories out there about why this tune was never mixed in true stereo.
The most popular is because ABC Dunhill rushed Three Dog Night to record the record, then rushed to get promo copies out to radio stations in order to get a jump on the B.W. Stevenson version of the same song.
Here is a very detailed description courtesy of the web site "top40musiconcd.com":
In comparing the "stereo" and mono sides of my DJ 45, they're both straight mono, and run an identical 3:26. The difference is that the mono side is more compressed, and is cut about 28% louder than the "stereo" side.
The story, at least according to the liner notes from the Celebrate CD:
Cory Wells: "That one had all kinds of repercussions. An unethical song pitcher pitches me the tune, and I tell him to freeze it. He takes it to B.W. Stevenson. You see, people wanted to know what we were gonna do so they could beat us out."
Chuck Negron: "Cory and I had a big fight, because I didn't want to put it out as a single. I said, 'You are letting RCA, who had Stevenson, decide our next single' instead of releasing the album and letting radio and the public decide."
Richie Podolor (producer): "We had two days to do it. Michael (Allsup) did one overdub, but I ended up playing seven guitar parts because not everybody was available. It was such a rush-rush thing. We used helicopters to fly out acetates to DJs to get that going. We didn't have it pressed, and we were reviewed and we had a hit with it, just hand-carrying it to stations."
There's more drama there than on your average daytime soap! :) It must've been fun north of the border, where Dunhill was distributed by RCA.
This is the original mono mix as heard when this was a huge hit on AM Top 40 radio on stations like WABC New York.
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Love that scratching sound. I'm right back there, High School 1972
# 3 from the summer of 1973-Classic song!
The best sound in the world is that silence interrupted buy the sweet sound of a stylus hitting the vinyl. Long live the turn table!!!
KCJake100 This mono 45 does sound great. But keep in mind you are hearing it in digital form on UA-cam. Digital is great. Especially when the source recording is great.
By far much better sound than CD could ever hope to beat..:)
The UA-cam audio on standard definition is aac 96k ST. I'd guess everybody uploads their original in mp3. It would make a difference if it was uploaded uncompressed, and you only need one track.
I wondered how it sounded so crisp.
AMEN! I should know!
At the time this 45 was released, ABC/Dunhill's lacquer mastering was handled by Doug Sax's Mastering Lab in Hollywood (cut on a "tube" lathe, specifically a Scully model 601). A few months after this record, ABC/Dunhill set up their own mastering studios.
The sound of that original group....wow!
You are most likely correct about the multitrack masters for Shambala. In the rush to release this record, no stereo mix was made. Since this record was recorded at about the same time that ABC Dunhill purged their master tape archives, the multitrack masters probably wound up in the dumpster before anyone realized that they didn't make the stereo master yet. Boy do I wish I had a crack at that dumpster back then! Can you imagine the money they could have made by selling the multitrack masters?!
That is absolutely outrageous! These fools were not interested in preserving this fabulous music for history and posterity. All these execs cared about was their bottom line. Vultures! :-(
@@musiccollector Seven Separate Fools
1973, the best year of my youth. This song made that summer forever remembered.
Mark Muffs I love hearing stories like this. Of classic songs, and people saying how good things were back then. I was born in the 80s so I do know how good things were somewhat. But the 60s and 70s everyone says was the best decades.
I was a Three Dog Night fan back in the ‘70s . I saw them in concert back in 1973. I had all their albums except for Seven Separate Fools. It costs about $5.00 for a two album set at Roses Department Store.
woke up last week singing this song.. used to listen to these guys when i was younger.. love them!
I wasn't around when this song was recorded, but I have consistent memories of my mom and dad playing Three Dog Night and other like bands in the car all the time. In fact, Three Dog Night was my first ever concert I got to attend. Great times.
This song was one of my favorites in grade 7. I felt, very much, a part of the Junior High scene listening to it, with my Three Dog Night poster (textbook cover) on my bedroom wall...good memories and a great song. Will never get tired of it. Really enjoy, and appreciate, all of these WABCRADIO 77 original vinyl 45's. I listened to WABC, every night, that it would come in waaay up here in NB, Canada. Keep up the great work!!!!
I can smell the player and vinyl while I'm watching this. What a great record.
For a song over 40 years old, with a pretty dated premise, the singing, (harmonies included), is awesome and the song still kicks ass.
Thank you for recognizing that the only, definitive, and very best version of any song is the one that played on the radio, true to the wonderful memories.
On this day in 1973 {June 20th} 'American Bandstand' celebrated its 20th anniversary with a 90-minute special on the ABC-TV network...
Guests on the show were Neil Diamond, Little Richard, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Three Dog Night, Paul Anka, Frankie Avalon, Bobby Darin, Fabian, Annette Funicello, Johnny Mathis, and Paul Simon...
Of the eleven guests only Paul Simon and Three Dog Night had a record on Billboard's Hot Top 100 chart at the time...
Paul Simon's "Kodachrome" was at #7; ten days later on July 1st, 1973 it would peak at #2* {for 2 weeks} and it stayed on the chart for 14 weeks…
And Three Dog Night was at #11 with "Shambala"; and one month and two days later on July 22nd, 1973 it would peak at #3 {for 1 week} and it stayed on the chart for 16 weeks {it was also their 16th charted record on the Top 100}...
* The two weeks that "Kodachrome" was at #2, the #1 record for both those weeks was "Will It Go Round In Circles" by Billy Preston...
Wow thanx for posting all that! Cuz these songs i grew up with and i had sum sweet summer beach day memories with these songs "kodachrome, shambala, there was so many
Ugh, I love the sound of vinyl! Thank you for posting. Deffinately one of my favorite songs! Funny thing is I thought this band was black for years, until my father started laughing at me and pulled out the album with these guys one it! Good memories! Awesome band no matter what color, race or creed!
Wow 1973 i was 8 yrs old i loved hearing this awsum song that summer on my little transister radio my goodness! Im a flower girl 1965🌷🎆🌼🌻🌸💠🐾🐾🌹🍁🎶💋
From what I read online the band was forced to record "Shambala" by ABC to beat a competing cover by BJ Stevenson of "My Maria" fame. Producer Richie Podolor mixed it to mono first so it could be rushed-released to AM radio and pressing plants. But when it was time to record the "Cyan" album a few weeks later, the original 16 multi-track tape had been erased for re-recording on (2 inch tape isn't cheap) by the recording studio.
I just wish Podolor had the foresight to do a stereo mix that would have been easy to "fold down" to stereo, but mono AM radio still ruled in 1973, and 3 Dog Night was seen as a AM radio band like the Grass Roots. And Polodor prefered to do dedicated mono mixes for AM Radio and 45's.
Yes, that was when AM still ruled the airwaves, but not for much longer at that point. If AM had adopted stereo, who knows, maybe WLS, WABC, KHJ and many, many more to numerous to mention would still be "musicradio". I guess only the ABC-owned stations used the "Musicradio" branding. One other thing, when WNBC had "The Time Machine", they called themselves "Musicradio" at least once, and probably way more than that. In my second sentence I meant to say "too" as opposed to "to". My regrets for the error.
Growing up in Kearny N.J. good memories!
And remember? When the record would skip, you just put a coin on top of the arm, to weigh it down some. I love this song.
+Eliz. Sebaugh My brother did that back in the early 70's and ruined a bunch of his 45's
Seeing "If it's on Dunhill believe it!" jogged my memory. Dunhill was later absorbed by MCA.
ABC Records and all of its subsidiary labels were absorbed by MCA at the same time.
Yes. Also, some of ABC'S subsidiaries were Dot, Blue Thumb, Kapp, and many others, I'm quite sure.
@@TheBrooklynbodine Kapp was absorbed by MCA in the 1960s, a decade before the ABC acquisition.
OK, thanks for telling me.
"wash away my troubles,wash away my pain!!"yeah,yeah,yeah!!!
This is by far my favourite song in this era! THANX AGAIN!
The Four Tops also recorded for ABC/Dunhill at the same time, after they left Motown.
Nice. That's just how I remember it.
Thanks. For just a minute, listening to your stuff, I'm back in the 70s.
My favorite TDN song!
Nice...drop-diamond on to old school, slow and real music. I have the album. Thanx man!
I find that very unusual for a true stereo mix of this song not to exist, let alone any hit song released back in the good ol' days of Top 40 AM radio.
It may have been around that time that abc decided to launch their infamous kids' blocks label that caused a lot of problems, leading the record company to restore their more familiar label until they could come up with a new one, which was launched around '74.
What a beatiful turntuble! Congratulations! And, of course, great song. Came here for the music. :D
I always wondered why music sounded "hotter" over the radio than on my records at home, no matter what I did with the bass, treble or balance controls on my stereo console. I wondered if there was some trick they did with the radio station sound board, the copy of the record they had or my record was somehow defective. The "strange sound" some refer to here is not rally strange, it is bold, clean and pleasant! One arguemt for CDs that I stand by is they are more durable. They don't lose fidelity over time and if ytou have a large music collection it's much easier to move a box of CDs than stacks of record albums. It took getting used to, but the shrunken down cover art is as enjoyable as always.
they also used a compressor I have one on my preamp and it can make records sound like they did on the radio in the 70's. I know your comment was a long time ago, just thought I'd add that.
It's called audio processing. This WABC77 guy has a compressor on all his uploads that has a buzz in the audio
Thank you WABCRADIO77 for the upload. This is so cool!! B-)
Only Cory Wells can take a relatively mild rock tune and give it an early '70's 'edge' with his voicing and tonal inflection..Robert at 66..their last really 'cool' hit from '73.
In 2001, I asked Chuck Negron about the lack of a stereo mix, and he thought the mix released on the Celebrate 2-Cd set was stereo. It was straight mono, of course.
You got to ask Chuck Negron anything? Totally cool! I'm jealous, man! I loved Three Dog as a kid and they were my idols. All seven of them. I dreamed of being on the stage with them and sitting at Floyd Sneed's drum set. Chuck was a fantastic singer.
Great stuff, great memories!!
excellent ! thank you for posting this song!
RIP Jimmy Greenspoon
+Marcus Lim Cory Wells recently passed away, too. All the legends are leaving us. :(
This is STILL the BEST version of this song on youtube!!
Love it!
Like the song and vinyl
This is my favorite Three Dog Night song. The vocals are terrific. I recently heard the B.W. Stevenson version and I prefer Three Dog Night's, even if B.W. wrote the song.
Speaking of B.W. Stevenson...do you have his only big hit, "My Maria"? That's a great song!
B.W. Stevenson didn't write this song. It was written by Daniel Moore. Look at the very beginning of this video to see the songwriting credit. Have to give credit where it's due!
Thanks for posting this! I LOVE that song and really LOVE 3 dog.I miss the 70s.
Much better then the love version... Good. Post
The ONLY version of this song I trust to be real mono. I have this exact promo copy but mine is shot. Been played to death. That Frankenstein fake stereo version that floated around forever on LP's was a joke. Also gotta love that radio station's call letters "WCPR" lol
I love this song for the day i was born
Such a happy song.
Try this for stereo visualization. Acoustic guitar right, organ left, backing vocals panned left right, tambourine left, cowbell right, and everything else dead center
capitolemiproducer
nice!
I've been collecting them \, most as they came out, since 1965.
This is the common thought and I tend to agree. It is very sad because ABC-Dunhill stereo mixes just plain suck. There's no other way to put it. Nice to hear the correct mix of this song. I have the same Promo 45 but mine is worn out, lol. Got a lot of play.
Omg love this song!
I love it!
thanks for posting !!!!!! :>)
Epic, thanks for posting! Truly a beautiful recording. I heard the song on the series called 'Lost".
Haha same here brother.
Let's look death in the face and say "Whatever, man."
Thanks so much for this!
Amazing recording for 1970; I can hardly believe it!
This song has been featured in many movies, the last one I remember was" Gotti," when they shot the guy in the Long Island bar that killed Gambino's nephew. Song fit the scene well.
Zach Kile it was also in the show supernatural. It fit the scene well that it was in also. Great song. I love that show for many reasons, one of the first reasons is because it has over 187 songs in it, a few dozen of them are classics just like this one. This song reminds me of my childhood even though I was born in the late 80s. My Mom always played this.
There must have been several mono mixes existing for this song, because the mono mix I remember hearing on WRKO in Boston had a few other differences that the radio promo version you posted has. Notably on the guitar riff in the middle and, at the end of the song, there's an additional "Shambala" vocal flourish. I'd love to hear that again!
This sounds better than the mono CD release. Especially when I run this through my stereo system. Thanks!
Likely the CD Mono version doesn't use the same processing as the promo 45. I also have this on CD in mono and agree it's nowhere near as good sounding
WABC77 has a compressor on all his uploads that has a ground loop (buzz) in the audio. Yuck.
Crimson and clover, over and over
Eq'd perfectly for AM radio.
Great! Thank you for sharing so everybody can listen. Sounds just like it did on Boston's AM radio 68 WRKO when I was a kid. Would you happen to have the studio instrumental version without vocals?
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Quality!
How many people regret getting rid of their 45s & vinyl record collections when cd's came in?
I still think that when Lou Adler is no longer with us, his will will reveal the location of a hidden stash of mono masters, which somebody (Geffen?) will re-release...and yes, the word 'will' should appear twice there...only that verly interlesting son of his probably knows for sure...
O yeah i recall that label on 45s yeah "geffen" remember "roullette" label? Draggin the line by Tommy james 1971 had that label loved and still love these songs
...cool
I have this identical promo 45 and the stereo side of this demo 45 does sound horrible. There seems to be a fair amount of distortion on the stereo side and I have found many ABC/Dunhill 45's to have inferior sound on their stereo mix sides. Maybe due to them not taking a fair amount of abuse with the needles of the day?..I have no clue but whenever I play my copy it's the mono mix for me :)
You mean the money I can make selling bootlegs. Another lost gem Magic Carpet Ride 45. The cleanest version I heard was a partial sing a long Steppenwolf did on the Sullivan shows
"MCR" is on the Steppenwolf "Original ABC/Dunhill Singles" 2-CD set mastered by Aaron Kannowski. He sourced tapes from all over the world that weren't tossed out.
I think I love you!
ayyy yes thanx
Technics - Rah !
"Music Radio - WABC - Dan Ingram *ding* "
Technics Direct Drive: the only way to go
The very last turntable I ever owned was a Technics SL 1100 direct drive. Bought in the army while in Germany in 1972 0r 3. Had I shipped home and kept it for many years until I finally gave up and moved to cds only. Music recordings seem to lack something since cds.
Dean's favourite song from the earlier seasons :)
Did anyone at WABC ever do a break-in record? I'm writing a book on break-ins and it'd be great to add any they might've done to the book. I'm guessing I, now, have the largest collection of break-ins in the world. It used to be Frank Merrill in Ill., but, he started selling his collection a year or so ago! I have yet to count how many I've got but it's gotta be around 600.
+Red Vynil - Forgive my ignorance but since I was born 3-years after you started collecting these types of vinyl, what is a break-in?
Rochelle: It is a form of novelty/comedy record, (although, not all of them are comedy), where a fake interview is conducted and the responses to the questions are supplied by bits of other people's hit records. While on UA-cam, look up Dickie Goodman and you should find LOTS of examples! WButane has posted a lot of them here. Don't pay any attention to that vile Opie & Anthony crap that keeps showing up there, it has nothing to do with break-ins! 1966 was a great year!! LOTS of great music that year and it was the start of the psychedelic era! Best and most creative music ever made!!
I don't think there was a true stereo mix of this song. I think this is one of the few mono-only mixes of this era. King Harvest "Dancing in the Moonlight" is another which does not have a true stereo mix. Then there are the songs which have significant differences between the mono mix and the stereo mix, like "Brother Love's Traveling Salvation Show" which has tubular bells on the mono mix which are missing from the stereo mix.
Actually, there is a true stereo mix of Dancing in the Moonlight: ua-cam.com/video/0eHBLHVHjWg/v-deo.html
Can i ask whats the diffetence between the mono mix & the stereo mix?
The stereo mix of "DITM" didn't come out until fairly recently. It's true mono on the original album as well.
ABC trashed their masters to make room for the Famous Music labels (Dot/Paramount/Blue Thumb, etc), but when they were bought in turn by MCA in '79, much of the ABC product was tossed also. Shameful.
If you have Mama Told Me (not to come), please upload it
I'm looking into maybe getting 45s I have a working record player that was gifted to me by a friend of mine who got it from a thrift store and all I have so far are all LP albums
:)
How many times have you put that vinyl to a needle?
MORE COWBELL!!
it sounds best on 8track vinyl is lousy audio media like cassette, reel to reel, CD,4track tape, and download as well people
Vinyl is Final.
yes, and mono is the only way it will be heard since ABC Dunghill threw away their multi-track masters many years ago. I've heard a DES is very difficult since they used a lot of phasing to give that strange sound
WRKO... Boston! 😀
when I was a junior at plant city h.s. three dog night a network showed a three dog night concert during school hours. they let use all watch the concert in class. wasn't that cool of the school!
Where do you get all those old 45's?
Garage sales, flea markets, radio stations, friends & family - collected over a 40 year period!
Alright, great collection.
WABCRADIO77 I've been collecting records since 1972. I have a total of approximately 800 45 rpm records from the '50's, '60's, '70's and '80's. I also have about approximately 500 pop original issue LP's. I also been shopping from garage sales, friends & family and from a FM radio station WDAI in Chicago.
That's super, it really is. That is really dedication.
Dan Salzano Thank you Dan.
WABC? Does that mean you don't get to hear the beginning or the fade at the end? They were notorious for doing both.
Glad they didn't stick with the name of redwood
101th
best of all none of your videos have them annoying commercials