Which 16-bit Console Had the BEST Beat Em Ups?
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- It's an age-old question, which 16-bit console is better? Is it the Super Nintendo (SNES) or the Sega Genesis. While we may never know which console is best, we can talk about the individual genres that help make us fans of the SNES and the Genesis. In this episode of the Big Retro Show, I'm going to be talking about which 16-bit console had the best beat 'em ups.
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Who you got? The Almighty Sega Genesis or the Great Super Nintendo?
Had sega genesis since 1993 I'm happy with it one of best console
SEGA GENESIS....STREETS OF RAGE.
@@misterlexx2721 so many titles were blockbuster and no1 selling in 90,s sega huge mistake was sega cd,32x,saturn but dreamcast was hit but piracy killed it
@@ResidentNotEvil5 After Genesis, I got The first Sony Playstation. Sega after Genesis was having issues getting some decent 3rd party ports unlike Nintendo 64 and Sony Playstation. I don't remember if Sega Dreamcast had any Mortal Kombat, FIFA soccer etc.
@@misterlexx2721 yes dreamcast has plenty of 3rd titles more than 300 games in 3 years life span it's pity sega let go of dreamcast wasted opportunity
Genesis for sure. Although Super Double Dragon is a highly underrated game on the SNES.
For sure!! I had a really tough time deciding
Definitely the Genesis. Three words: Streets. Of. Rage.
Great games
Sorry buddy. It isn't even close. Ninja Warriors was the best beat'em up of the generation. Not only was the enemy variety better than in most games. The 3 characters played drastically different from one another with far larger move sets than any other game too. Batman Returns is also amazing. As far as 2-player goes, Final Fight 3 and Knights of the Round are amazing and it is a lame and contrived copout to not include Turtles In Time, as if the inferior Hyperstone Heist cancels it out.
I dont want to dissapoint you but Streets of Rage 2 set the bar so high than even todays beat em ups aee compared to it.
Amen
@@davidaitken8503 you kidding, right?
Ninja Warriors are a pretty basic game and dont even compare to SoR1 intherms of combat tactics and movements. Its pretty unfair to compare it to SOR2, because this is realy a game that have 4 different characters that play way different than another. With way more diferences that Ninja Warriors ever dream to have.
Its also funny that you mantion Final Fight 3 and not Streets of Rage 3, the game that influenced the hell of 90% of FF3 mechanics LOL. Even the bonus stage is very similar and the guy on the bulldozer is taken out in the same way.
Final fight is cool, but snes does not have streets of rage 2. Genuinely the most fun beat em' up of its time
sorry i misread that. Yeah SOR2 is the GOAT
A note to add about Comix Zone, its also a puzzle game.
The reason that busting obstacles takes health is because the game hides items and secrets to get passed them without injury.
For example, making sure you bring Roadkill to sniff out hidden items in every room is essential. He can find a bomb before the metal door in the beginning of stage 2 allowing you to blow it up without hurting yourself. Or the hidden hang switch in level 3 opening a gate for you.
It rewards exploration and intelligent problem solving.
I'd have to give this one to Sega. The numbers of sprites on screen being the deciding factor. Super Nintendo definitely had the color palette...but limited sprites and slowdown really hamstringed the experience.
Sega did has some great beat em ups
The SNES could display far more sprites on the screen than the Genesis. That, along with the ability to display larger sprites is the reason the characters were typically much larger. You can have a debate about which is better, fewer characters that are larger or more characters that are smaller but your claims are objectively false. Ninja Warriors gets plenty of sprites on screen and rarely slows down and is just a much better playing game. This guy really didn't do the game justice as he clearly doesn't realize how many moves their actually are in the game. It is the best beat'em up of the 16-bit era.
@@davidaitken8503you sound like Donald Trump. Repeat a lie enough and fools will believe it eh? 😂 The rationsl retro gamers have woken up to the fact that the Genesis does indeed outperform the SNES in quite a few areas. The snes can push more sprites on paper, but the genesis can push more sprites in practice, with no slowdown where the snes does. Your fanboy opinion isn't going to convince anyone 😂
@@parallaxiti Actually, repeating a lie often enough until people believe it is what pro Sega TROLLBOT programs such as yourself are doing. I gave a specific example of Ninja Warriors pushing a bunch of sprites on the screen with rarely any slowdown and your response is to call me a liar. The proof is right there for you to see with your own eyes!
If you want to see lots of smaller sprites moving independently with great performance on the SNES play Super Smash TV, Rendering Ranger R2, Space Megaforce, or any of the Parodius games. Those are further proof the SNES was more than capable of running lots of sprites on screen with good performance. If you think I'm wrong, back up your counterpoint with actual facts as I've played literally hundreds of Genesis, SNES, and Turbo Grafx 16 games and have concluded that the SNES was the most technically impressive hardware of the three.
@@davidaitken8503 Sega does what Nintendont 😂 Proof: ua-cam.com/video/RWlozlvbXk4/v-deo.htmlsi=1SKGZCBDwUkRHCDa
It's a tough one. MD has the best examples of the genre between the two consoles, but the SNES has more examples.
SEGA MD takes the win, for me.
Because of your qualifiers that it can only be one game in a franchise and can't be on both systems, that handcuffs the Genesis to me. Streets Of Rage 1, 2 and 3 just blows everything else the SNES has to offer out of the water lol. Then to limit it only to North America, well, now we lose out on Double Dragon 2 which was excellent on the Megadrive and a shame it wasn't ported here in the US. Splatterhouse 3 is great, Mazin Saga Mutant Fighter makes the frying pan sizzle and doesn't get enough love, Sailor Moon and Power Rangers the Movie were good although a bit repetitive. As far as SNES we gotta give honorable mentions to games like Rival Turf, Sonic Blastman, and Undercover Cops which were respectable and fun. 😄
SoR isn´t better than the Final Fight trilogy, Captain Commando, Knights of the Round, King of the Dragons and / or Magic Sword, all Capcom beat´ em ups for the SNES, and needless to say Ninja Warriors isn´t even touched by any Streets of Rage, the handling of the main characters are more in the levels of a 1v1 fighter in terms of frame precision.
@@nikito370 it ISNT better. well there are A WHOLE LOT of people that disagree with you. seems like you are a salty nintendo fanboy.
@@soramirez5473please argue. SoR is dull, slow, repetitive and easy. Perhaps soundtrack is nice, but Ninja Warriors is top in every apartment.
@@nikito370 perhaps sor 1. but 2 and 3, japanese versios, are more in depth with the fighting mechanics, smoother gameplay.
Sorry to dissapoint you but SOR 2 set the bar that even todays beat em ups are compared to it.
Such a tough call. Loved Batman Returns on SNES, it's just so well done. Classics like Final Fight and Streets of Rage will always hold me nostalgically. Golden Axe is one of Lady Laci's all time faves for getting to play as a girl back in a time when that wasn't as common. Comix Zone is an idea that needs to be revisited. Imagine a fourth wall breaking adventure like that with a license like Deadpool, in the same 2D style of play.
As long as the Deadpool game is easier than Comix zone. That’s an excellent point about Golden Axe. Prior to that, I don’t recall event getting the option to play as a female in any beat em up! Good topic of conversation
@@BigRetroShow Future Big Retro Show video topic, perhaps?
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is a good beat em up too.
@@misterlexx2721 Loved the TMNT games back in the day!
I just commented on another channel about Batman Returns, it is such a nice looking game.
SNES had many beat em ups and fighters but after a bit they seemed watered down due to over saturation.
Genesis does them so very well!
Digging your videos!!!!!
King of Dragons & Super Double Dragon here I come...
Let me know how you like them!
Super Double Dragon is really good. Very underrated.
SNES for me. SoR2 is great, but Nintendo has more must-plays.
Ninja Warriors, Batman Returns, Super Double Dragon, King of Dragons, Final Fight 123, Brawl Brothers, Peace Keepers, Knights of the Round, Turtles in Time, Sonic Blast Man 2 > Alien Storm, Punisher, Golden Axe 123, Comix Zone, Streets of Rage 123, Splatterhouse 23, Hyperstone Heist
I agree with you but Golden Ace and SOR 1-3 are gold
Thanks for this! Amazing!
Right on
SNES. TMNT:Turtles In Time. Nuff said. I agree. SNES is the better console for beat em ups overall.
if you want the best beat em up ever. panzer bandit. no other combat even comes close. it was so far ahead of anything and still is.
Never played it. Now I’m curious
You played Ninja Warriors ´for this episode´ and not before?
It´s the best 16-bit beat ´em up after Sengoku 3 for the Neo-Geo, which came really late anyways! I play Ninja Warriors to this day and no Genesis beat ´em up comes close. The so lauded Streets of Rage trilogy compares to average games in the SNES library, like the whole Capcom line-up had prepared for the console or the Rival Turf stuff. Ninja Warriors is the goat!!
It’s a great game. I like the Switch version too
Great video. I grew up with both the genesis and the snes. I used to think the snes was way ahead of the genesis when I was a kid. In recent years I got myself a super nt and mega sg. And have been playing a ton og snes and genesis games comparing them head to head. I can no longer unsee the areas in which the snes is lacking. Mainly the lower resolution, stretched image and slowdown. For beat em ups and fast paced arcade games I give it to the genesis. It really is the faster console and the extended resolution also results in a better gameplay experience for many cross platform games. However, the snes is still fantastic in its own way with diverse sound capabilities, more colours and mode 7. The SNES destroys the genesis in the RPG department.
Sega Mega Drive = Alien Storm, Altered Beast, Battletoads / Double Dragon, Golden Axe II & Golden Axe III, Growl, Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Movie, Pirates of Dark Water. Punisher, Sailor Moon, Splatterhouse 2 & 3, Streets Of Rage II & III, TMNT Hyperstone Heist.
Super Nintendo = Batman Returns, Battle Zeque-Den, Battletoads in Battlemaniacs, Battletoads & Double Dragon, Captain Commando, Combatribes, Final Fight 2 & 3, Ghost Chaser Densei, Iron Commando, Kamen Rider, King of Dragons, Knights of the Round, Legend, Mighty Morphin Power Rangers & The Movie, Ninja Warriors, Pirates of Dark Water, Rushing Beat & Ran & Shura, Sailor Moon & R, Sengoku, Shin Nekketsu Kouha, Shounen Ninja Sasuke, Sonic Blast Man & II, TMNT Turtles in Time, Undercover Cops,
I think Ghost Sweeper Mikami counts as a beat ém up for the Super Famicom as well and iirc it was developed by Natsume, which also did quite a few licensed games for Nintendo platforms, being most of them very good. I mentioned their best work in many ignited posts in this video, but also I´d like to point that their Power Ranger beat ´em up for the SNES is more fun than ´The Movie ´one in the Genesis, although both are mediocre games way too repetitive. Also Natsume did the Gundam Wing Endless Duel and Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Fighting Edition games, wich are excellent 1v1 fighters.
I think SNES wins but only by an inch.
About the Punisher game, the other character is Nick Fury.
Yes, he's good to play as too
For Me Its A Tie, Sega Has The Streets Of Rage Games, And Super Nintendo Had The Final Fight & Ninja Wariors Game, And It Comes Out To Personal Taste
17:24, Eddie was referred to by his nickname Skate.
Correct, I actually had Skate in the script but left it out for some reason LOL
SoR2 for the win
Final fight is the game that started that troupe
It was definitely the one that set it off on the 16 bit consoles
It depends on which you prefer. SNES has better graphics and a better sound chip for home play, buy Sega had a faster processor. Sega usually based their home systems off of their arcade boards. I love the SNES, but as an Arcade fanatic, I prefer the Genesis. I have both so I'm speaking from experience. Fun Fact : Turbografx-16 has great arcade ports. (Yeah the system had an 8 bit CPU, but it also had a 16 bit graphics card, 16 BIT GRAPHICS!!!!!!! BRING BACK THE BIT WARS!!!!!!!)
I lot of games I never hear of! Great list Los will be checking later a few of these.
Thanks bro! I think you will enjoy them
this is a tough one... classics on both.. but the Genesis did struggle less with number of on screen enemies. Aside from Final Fight and Streets of Rage, SNES Ninja Warriors was awesome! loved it. I also liked Sonic Blastman 1, although i know many thought it was average. for the early SNES days, Rival Turf was good. I know it gets ripped on alot in modern reviews, but back then all we had was Final Fight and Rival Turf to choose from at first.
I had a really rough t time deciding as well. So many great beat el ups on both platforms. That whole Rival Turf trilogy was excellent
SNES vs Genesis tie and as a whole.
Basically haha . yeah
Trilogia SoR, trilogia Golden Axe y trilogia Splatterhouse y Punisher.... win Megadrive/genesis
Sega by the quality not quantity
SoR2 is good, but Turtles in Time is better.
Funny video, it ignores a lot about game design and set rules that makes Mega Drive have less titles to compete. Not to mention it praises games with high flaws. It could be better with japanese titles and talk about better games like Gourmet Sentai Bara Yarou and Kunio Tachi no Banka
Good list Ninjawarriors looks like fun and i hate to agree cuz im such a Sega fan but yeah put into perspective with the amount of titles Snes does look to have more better games overall but SoR 2 tho like... arrhh.. thats my faviorate beat em up ever xD
I was surprised by your conclusion. Up until the end, the Genesis appeared to be winning. I can’t say you’re wrong or anything. I haven’t played any beat ‘em ups on the SNES. I think there are more in SNES. Great Battle series is notable. Power Rangers and Sailor Moon...
I suspect you’re not really a Sega fanboy though. If you enjoy the SNES it’s because you’re nostalgic for the buzzy audio, narrow field of view and deeper colour palette.
The SNES is less responsive, however, as well as suffering slow down. It handles less on screen. But I’m not saying one is better. The SNES is less powerful, but the feel of he games is different. Softer sounds and visuals.
I don’t think think the SNES beat ‘em up library is actually better. You just have a preference for that console.
Appreciate the comment. It all just came down to fun factory for me. I actually love the Genesis more than the SNES simply because of their approach to the censorship of certain games that came out at the height of the congressional hearings that led to the creation of the ESRB.
@@BigRetroShow the two consoles are quite distinct. But you are concerned with censorship? That affects like 3 games in a totally superficial way.
Censorship is but one of my issues with Nintendo. There’s also pricing, their target audience, anti consumer practices, and the list goes on
@@BigRetroShow you’re a Nintendo fanboy saying he’s a Sega fanboy to pretend that your are being objective just to hand a free win to Nintendo.
No Sega fan would ever do that because the Nintendo fanbase are already so obnoxious and sure that the SNES is better than the Genesis in every way and they saved gaming and every game ever is based on Super Mario Brothers and Zelda and the N74 isn’t shit.
Bit the ugly truth is that SNES games don’t play all that well, quite often. They don’t respond very quickly and the sound lacks clarity and ‘punch’.
None of these things are what you want happening in a beat em up game. You want a wide and not square aspect resolution and tight and snappy controls and clear crackly sound effects with tunes that rock your socks off. The SNES delivers none of theses things.
Lol no
Gotta love Beat Em Ups! SNES! 😎
Woo!! Haha. Hope you are well friend
I'm very sure that if I was a gamer in the pre-3D era, I would have been all about beat'em ups. As it is though, it's mostly 3D action-RPGs for me. I would choose the SNES too, because awesome beat'em ups and tons of legendary platformers as well (sorry Sonic).
That’s all I play on modern consoles. I’ve been playing Far Cry 5 recently. Thanks for stopping by Pink
That was hands down one of the best genres of that era. Easy to just pick up and play.
Sengoku 3 on the neo geo and arcade wiped the floor with all of these 16bit brawlers
Don’t think I played that one yet
Not for me it doesn't, SOR2 and 3 are far better games
Sengoku 3 is amazing. I can't argue it's certainly faster and graphically a lot more impressive than any 16 bit beat em up. Only thing I would say is that streets of rage 3 might have a larger set of moves?
I give it to Sega, the Genesis's processor is significantly faster than the SNES making it more suited to fast paced arcade style games. I love the SNES but the slowdown and cropped resolution really let it down
And yet the SNES had more, better beat-em-ups.
@@SomeOrangeCat That's a matter of opinion and I didn't ask for yours.
@@Robotoda2000 You posted on a public space.
@@SomeOrangeCat so if you overhear people in public talking about how they prefer the genesis for beat em ups over the snes would you just walk up to them and say the SNES has better beat em ups? People have their preferences. Theres no right or wrong answer to what brings a person more joy. Yes, my comment is public, but it's a respinsw to the video. You can disagree with my opinion, but why comment on it? Its a silly waste of time to argue over which is better. Rather, you can find a comment of someone who you agree with and have a conversation with them about it.
Discordo totalmente, quem joga de verdade sabe o maior diferencial de um BEAT em Up é quantidade de inimigos simultâneos na tela e a quantidade de golpes variáveis. Nesse gênero, o Mega Drive leva fácil. Comix Zone é o BEAT UP mais genial e único até hoje. E Streets of Rage 2 é considerado por muitos o maior BEAT em Up de todos os tempos.
I'd give it to the SNES as well, because it has a port of Turtles in Time that improves on the original game. The Genesis got a weak imitation of it.
The games are just so much more fun on the SNES
Final fight, Captain commando, Iron commando, king of dragons, Knights of the Round, Final Fight 2, Final fight 3, Undercover Cops, Gourmet Warriors, Kouryuu no Mimi, Sengoku, Ninja Warriors, Ghost Chaser Densei, Rushing Beat series, Batman returns, Sonic Blast man 1 & 2, pirates of the dark water, Super double dragon, River city girls zero, Marvel Super heroes, X men mutant apocalypse, Battletoads, etc etc.. and people wanna say the Genesis had better beat em ups?!? Lol come on man. The Only solid beat em up that the Genesis had was Streets of rage 2 & 3, Gold axe 3 and maybe the punisher but that’s about it lol.
I would say snes for the 3 final fights, ninja warriors and tnmt in time and also the rushing beat games and the power ranger beat em up games
Yes the rushing beat games were great
Not even close sega destroys Nintendo
Hahaha. What a load of bollocks. The Streets of Rage series along wiped the floor with any SNES beat 'em up, and there's 3 games in that. You've missed loads of games such as Punisher & Two Crude Dudes too, and you feature the awful SNES version of Final Fight...but ot the amazing MEGA CD one lol. Awful vid. Don't bank on your channel doing much kid.
I actually featured the Punisher. Thanks for watching
@@BigRetroShow I skipped that bit then. Video wasn't worth it, really poor.
If the SNES port was so awful, how come it sold well enough to get two console exclusive sequels?
@@SomeOrangeCat Because it was a big name franchise with a lot of fans, and that was mostly born out of the Arcade. Sales don't define quality.
@@SomeOrangeCat I mean, they even had to release another updated version which included Guy because the original SNES port was so butchered.
Also final fight 2 and 3 on snes are great
I'm sorry, but I have to comment on a number of issues that seem to indicate you haven't actually played some of these games, or at least not much. The Punisher IS Frank Castle. The other playable character is Nick Fury, the head of S.H.I.E.L.D. You don't have to know much about Marvel comics or anything to know that. That is like calling the two playable characters in Maximum Carnage, Spider Man and Peter Parker.
The stuff that really bothers me is the misinformation about gameplay though. Super Double Dragon has virtually NO SLOWDOWN. The game doesn't play at a hyper fast speed, probably to make grabs and reversals a little easier. That isn't slowdown though.
Ninja Warriors has 3 of the most distinctly different characters of the entire genre. They are far more than your typical big, medium, and small character archetypes found in many of these types of games. They have drastically different move sets and, if the footage you show is any indication, a larger variety of moves too compared to literally any other beat'em up from this era.
This video doesn't do many of these games justice. You should do more thorough research before posting.
Nothing wrong with this video. If you don't like it, why don't you make your own video then? Don't complain or be negative, lead by example or no one will take you seriously.
@@WaveSonic Nice try, TROLLBOT. I pointed out a number of factual mistakes in the video and you try to call me out for knowing more about these games than the guy posting them instead of arguing against any of the good points I made.
@@davidaitken8503 no point in arguing with someone who has the mental capacity of a child 🤷♂️