Can you solve the three gods riddle? - Alex Gendler
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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2017
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You and your team have crash-landed on an ancient planet. Can you appease the three alien overlords who rule it and get your team safely home? Created by logician Raymond Smullyan, and popularized by his colleague George Boolos, this riddle has been called the hardest logic puzzle ever. Alex Gendler shows how to solve it.
Lesson by Alex Gendler, animation by Artrake Studio.
So let me get this straight, you literally know EVERY single word in their language except for yes and no
jameely monte yep
jameely monte
Ozo
jameely monte
Ulu
it's not us who understand their language, it's them who understand our language
Ozo
>this riddle has been called the hardest logic puzzle ever
>pause here if you want to figure it out for yourself!
Excuse me who do you think I am
Noah Lomu We thought you're Noah Lomu 😂
I've gone through comments and this is the best answer yet Noah lmao
Noah Lomu an asian
Noah Lomu lol!!😂😂
Noah Lomu lol
Me: So. How much complexity do you wanna put in a single 4-minutes video?
TED-Ed: Ozo.
Well ozo but actually ulu
Well ozo but actually ozo
Well ulu but actually ulu
@NovaSys I was waiting for someone to send this👀 now the possibilities of this question are complete 🔥👌🏽
@NovaSys 👌🏽🤗 this meme will be eternal because of us🎉
Long-winded breakdown of why you don't need to know the exact meaning of "OZO" and "ULU", and why Arr doesn't prevent a solution (the first part is pretty much a reiteration of the video, but at the end I try to explain my understanding of it):
Tee (T) tells the truth
Eff (F) tells a lie
Arr (R) answers randomly
Question: "If I asked you whether 2+2=4 (known true), would you say 'OZO' (unknown meaning)?"
IF "OZO" = "Yes" AND "ULU" = "No"
Answers:
T: "OZO"
F: "OZO" (He would say "ULU" to the embedded question, so he denies this and says "OZO".)
IF "ULU" = "Yes" AND "OZO" = "No"
Answers:
T: "OZO"
F: "OZO" (Yes, he would say "OZO" to the embedded question, so he denies this and says "OZO".)
Like this:
- Q to F: "Does 2+2=4?:
- F: "OZO"
- Q to F: "If I asked you whether 2+2=4, would you say 'OZO'?"
- F: "OZO" (Must lie about his previous answer and deny that he WOULD say "OZO", but because "OZO" means "No" in this example, he uses the word "OZO" in order to deny it.)
Question: "If I asked you whether 2+2=5 (known false), would you say 'OZO' (unknown meaning)?" (Assuming the year is not 1984)
IF "OZO" = "Yes" AND "ULU" = "No"
Answers:
T: "ULU"
F: "ULU"
IF "ULU" = "Yes" AND "OZO" = "No"
Answers:
T: "ULU"
F: "ULU"
Question: "If I asked you whether the overlord on my left is Arr (unknown), would you answer 'OZO' (unknown meaning)?"
IF "OZO" = "Yes" AND "ULU" = "No", AND Arr IS to the left
Answers:
T: "OZO"
F: "OZO"
IF "ULU" = "Yes" AND "OZO" = "No", AND Arr IS to the left
Answers:
T: "OZO"
F: "OZO"
IF "OZO" = "Yes" AND "ULU" = "No", AND Arr IS NOT to the left
Answers:
T: "ULU"
F: "ULU"
IF "ULU" = "Yes" AND "OZO" = "No", AND Arr IS NOT to the left
Answers:
T: "ULU"
F: "ULU"
~
So you aren't finding out the meaning of the words, but you ARE determining the validity of your embedded question. You know that an answer of "OZO" from Tee or Eff means that the embedded question is true, and an answer of "ULU" from them means that the embedded question is false.
On to the matter of determining order. Posed to the middle alien, the first question is this: "If I asked you whether the overlord on my left is Arr (unknown), would you answer 'OZO' (unknown meaning)?"
This question isn't about confirming who IS Arr, it's about confirming who IS NOT Arr.
If Arr is on either side, the first alien you're talking to must be Tee/Eff and you'd then know for sure where Arr is based on their answer. If Arr is in the middle, then the answer he gives would still point you in the correct direction because he ISN'T on either side. If Arr says "OZO" randomly, you would now be choosing between left and middle alien. If Arr says "ULU" randomly, you would be choosing between right and middle alien. Either way, you've determined the two spots where Arr COULD be and, more importantly, the one where he definitely COULDN'T be.
Originally, I was confused because it seemed like this solution required starting with Tee/Eff for sure, and already knowing which side Arr is on so you can formulate your question accordingly and know that you wouldn't be getting a random answer. However, getting a random answer isn't as much of a wrench in the works as I first thought, because that in itself can be used to make an elimination as Arr can't be in two places at once.
I'm not claiming to be an expert logician or anything and I admit that I could definitely be wrong, but that's my understanding of this riddle. In my opinion, the hardest part to understand is the fact that Arr answering randomly doesn't prevent you from being able to find the correct answer, so I decided to post how I worked through it in case it might be a help to anyone else. :)
i dint understand a thing lol
I aint reading all of that lol
Tysmm originally i didn’t understand a thing but now i understand a bit :))
But you’re right the hardest part to understand is the fact that Arr answering randomly doesn’t prevent u from being able to find the correct answer - i still don’t understand (going crazy rn 😫😫😫)
@@JustAnotherHumanBeing980 I know! It's crazy how hard it is to make one's brain work through it 😂
I would say the two biggest things are that:
1) Tee or Eff answering with "OZO" for sure means your embedded question is true, while an answer of "ULU" from Tee or Eff for sure means the embedded question is false
2) Arr can't be in two places at once. If Arr is in the middle and he answers your question randomly, he's telling you that Arr is not on a certain side, which is true because you're talking to him right now in the middle. While this information may come in the form of him lying and saying Arr IS located on a certain side, that still gets you in the correct direction because you've eliminated a position where he couldn't be either way. (If, answering randomly, he indicates that Arr is on the left, you'll eliminate the possibility of him being on the right. It is true that he is not on the right: he is currently in the middle.) And if you're talking to Tee/Eff in the middle, then your problems are solved anyway hahah
Maybe that helped a little? Hopefully it did 😅
@@CubicSagacity hmmm...🧐 I’m still working on it, thanks for the explanation tho :)
"So.. can you solve the riddle?"
"Well ozo, but actually ulu"
You could have just made this meme 100 times better or ruined it forever
I approve
Well, no but actually yes
Well ulu, but actually ozo
This right here is a fantastic comment congrats
Johnny zoo is yes then?
TED-Ed: Did you solve the puzzle?
Me: Ozo.
OZO
Lol
From that logic, I can conclude that ozo means no
Leon Han Lol
Ôz
I tried for HOURS to solve this and honestly I'm proud of myself for how much I figured out, even though I never got to the full solution
Good on you. I gave up pretty quickly.
my brain hurts from this one
Yeah, I managed to get there with 9 questions
We're proud of you too... Because I didn't even fully understand the explained solution... 😂😂😂
I pick up an artifact at random and pretend to drop it. I watch as one of the overlord’s eyes widen. It’s his artifact.
I pick up another artifact and say “It’s chipped. See?” The first overlord to come forward does so in a worried rush. It’s his artifact.
The last one I toss to the last overlord and say goodbye.
pure genius
*amazing*
U have to be the smartest being in the history of existence
honestly why pretend.
lolol
Me: knows entire alien language
Also me: doesn't know the difference between yes and no
*bruh moment*
There is an alternative version of this puzzle that says they understand English but will always answer in their own language, which makes it more plausible
MayBeBasic LMFAOO
It’s like latin, there are hardly any ways to greet someone but there are a lot of insults lol
Adrija Rambhatla
LOGIC
“You and your team have crash landed on a ancient planet”
Good to know my team consists of me and a dog
Lol ikr
Lol ikr
Lol ikr
Lol I right no?
Lol ikr?
Just realized that the names of the gods are, in a way, what they do.
"Tee" sounds like T -> True
"Eff" sounds like F -> False
"Arr" sound like R -> Random
2:15 It would be better to explain this by not using ozo or ulu. For example: “If I asked you if 2+2=4, would you say yes?” To the embedded question, Tee would say yes. Tee would reply to your question and say “Yes, I would say yes if you asked me if 2+2=4.”
The rules state that Eff always lies. It doesn’t imply that Eff would say the opposite of Tee or vice versa. To the embedded question, Eff would say no. If he said “No, I would say no to 2+2=4.”, that means he said something true, which contradicts his rule of lying. Instead, he would lie and say “Yes, I would say yes to 2+2=4.”
Reverse example: “If I asked you if 2+2=4, would you say no?” To the embedded question, Tee would say no, so Tee replies and says “No, I would say yes to 2+2=4.” Eff, again, would tell the truth and break his lying rule if he says “Yes, I would say no to 2+2=4.” So he would have to say “No, I would say yes to 2+2=4.”
But they don't speak english, how could they answer Yes, the fact that you don't know what they are saying is a big part of the problem
Thank you Mark! I can visualise better with your explanation!
Too much explaning
@@Zurpador164 It's just an addition in their answer to make the answer easier to understand, the first word "Yes" and "No" in their can be replaced with ozo and ulu
Danke
Thank God we landed next to that rock engraved with the information we needed.
And that too in English
all three of them
@@valroz no they can be in the alien language cause you understand the language but not what Ulu or Ozo mean
but it sure is unfortunate that we crash landed on a planet with 3 aliens that have certain tendencies to lie and tell the truth, and that we know the entire alien language except for yes and no, and that we can only ask three yes or no questions, and that the aliens only respond with ozo and ulu.
The original one was about gods and the gods understand your language but can only reply with Olu or Ozo
"You and your team"
*you and a dog walk off the ship*
XD
You and a human walks off the ship*
Nonono a five year old and a dog
@@monticha3274 good point
@@tlgk7697
*Law and Order theme*
I couldn't understand it at first, but now that it has been explained i still can't
an explanation;
the gist of this whole riddle is to emphasize the power of a double negative. we can obtain all the information we need from these gods using double negatives, without even knowing the meaning of the answer or the how truthful it is.
understanding why tee and eff will give their given answers is the easy part, at least when we are asking questions we know whether or not are true or false. i think when we try to get answers we dont already know, thats when it gets difficult and we get lost in the sauce.
instead of ozo and ulu, ill use x and y for simplicity, with ozo=x and ulu=y.
if the embedded question is true, no matter what x or y is, what we ask is going to either give a double positive or negative.
(if i ask you whether or not the sky is blue, would you answer x?)
when x=yes
tee -> x!
eff -> x! (to the question itself, it would answer y)
when x=no
tee -> x!
eff -> x! (lies about lying to the embedded question.)
the important part here is to realize they both responded x because the embedded question was true.
what would happen if it was false?
(if asked you whether or not the sky is red, would you answer x?)
when x=yes
tee -> y!
eff -> y! (would say x to embedded question)
when x=no
tee -> y!
eff -> y! (would say x to embedded question.)
the takeaway is _when our embedded question is true,_ irregardless of what x or y is, we will get that same variable we put in our question back from them. thats the only thing all that x and y mess above told us thats important.
now that we know what the answers to true and false questions look like, we can use the gods responses to see whether or not their responses match a true or false embedded statement. look;
if i asked you whether *abc,* would you answer x?
if a god responds -> x
then we have proved above that abc must be a true statement, and we learned something new!
if a god responds -> y
then we have proved that abc must be false. just scroll up!
now we use statements on the position of the gods to get them to sell each other out!
but do not lost sight of the big picture- we dont care what ozo and ulu are! we dont need to! it doesnt matter! what matters is _if your embedded question is true!_
Underappreciated detailed explaination
@@dariosabatini7053 thank you, i put it here to remind myself when i rewatch it
Now i finally understand it after all these years, thank you
Thanks macha
Learns an entirely new alien language in a day. But can't say Yes or No.
Seems legit.
Ham Sandwich
lol
Ham Sandwich ikr!lol!
Ham Sandwich well never thought of that.. Lol
Ham Sandwich IKR and yes or no are usually the first words people learn when learning a new language.
Crystals exactly. lol
For anyone who's good at math, this is what math sounds like to people who are bad at it
Ozo
Ulu
Ozulu
Olu
Ozoulo
I’m just happy to say, despite not coming up with the answer, I was finally able to completely
Understand the solution after some time. It took a while thought as they brush through that solution so fast without explaining in detail.
It’s pretty remarkable for someone to come up with the full answer. In hindsight, it makes so much sense that question 1 must isolate one that isn’t the random answerer - as no other questions can contain information until you have at least that. But still.. even making that discovery, coming up with that first question is very difficult to do.
But what if the alien in question 1 is r
@@TOMMY-AND-FRIENDSit doesn't matter. The first question either confirms the left or the right isn't R. From there you ask the second question to either the left or the right. The centre doesn't matter.
@@RH-nk7eoi still dont get it, if you accidentally ask Arr the question, that answer is already meaningless, how doesnt it matter ?
@@duyle7831it's because the first question is meant to find whom among the lords at either side isn't r. if youre already talking to r, then neither of the sides are him, so r's random answer doesn't matter since it'll point to a non-r lord either way
@@mli2883 but you still dont know for certain if you're talking to Arr or not?
That final question is basically choosing between learning what Ozo and Ulu actually mean or getting a last useful answer out of Tee. I think I would ask the 2+2=4 to know what Ozo means.
The first time I watched this video I totally didn't fully understand the solution, so at the end I thought Tee's answer was useless. But no, Ozo means our conjecture is correct, so it will be a long way to Earth (we know that now), we just don't know yet what Ozo actually means.
I really love this riddle. I watched this video some 3 times or more on different occasions. It is so beautifully complicated.
my brain hurts
my kidneys hurt
ozo
my asshole hurts 😏
my ass hurts
i thought i was the only one. *sigh
I can't imagine being able to decipher an entire alien language to the point I can ask any question but not able to translate "yes" and "no".
I saw another version of this puzzle saying that they understand you but will only answer in their own language, which is a lot more plausible
@@Inkyminkyzizwoz also, if you have to ask a question in their language, you won't be able to ask "if 'ozo' means 'yes', ..."
since you don't know how to say 'yes' in their language.
You'd have to ask something like "if 'ozo' means 'ozo', ..."
which can't give you any useful information.
yes
@@user-qt8fn1kv2q Unless you ask Eff if 'Ozo' means 'Ozo', then he would have to lie and say 'Ulu'.
@@Inkyminkyzizwoz Where?
Great riddle, I like it a lot! It was indeed hard for me. Took me about 1-2 hours and 1 page of notes to find a solution
It took me about a Week to find a solution xD (but at least I solved it, not as most people >:D)
wow! that's some dedication. I just skip to the solution and try to understand it
youre a great problem solver. Took like an hour just to get the first question for me. I did not manage to get the 2nd and 3rd but can understand the solution.
The part of double positive and double negative both come out positive is very impressive and help logic
what does it mean?.. i dont get how tee and eff would both answer the same thing to 2+2?..
@@olive4846 the crucial thing here is how the question is put: with that "if I asked you ... would you say ...". tee would say true 2 times. eff will lie 2 times. 2 lies in such case make true.
*Me* : If I asked you if Schrödinger's cat is alive, would you say OZO?
*Alien overlords* : * visible confusion *
Ozoulu HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
This one was best
😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣
Well Ozo. but actually ulu
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oozullu
I guess that's what the answer is
“You and your team have crash landed on an ancient planet”
**9 year old girl and a dog walk out of the space ship**
you're
Xanthopathy yogurt*
Xanthopathy Your actually not you’re
Yes so weird
I used to have that exact same profile pic for discord
After seven years, I am proud to say that I finally understand the solution to this riddle (although I would still have no clue how to solve the riddle independently)
step 1: leave
step 2: get a degree in english teaching
step 3: teach "yes" and "no" to the overlords
step 4: overlords are satisfied and let you leave
step 5: oh wait a second
"are the overlords satisfied?"
ozo
"Can you solve the riddle-"
Simply understanding the solution is an achievement, let alone trying to make your own solution
Yeah, thought we knew who the overlords were just not which artifact they wanted
1/0=planet: OH GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Exactly.. I think of myself as pretty good riddle solver but this one... I was really happy I understood the solution :D I had simply no idea how to solve it.
took me one hour in my head to check every possiblity LMAO
This explanation is really bad. In the example solve, it says “you could be talking to R but lets assume not.”
I think I lost a few braincells trying to understand this
It's really not that difficult.
If I asked you, "(insert hypothetical question here)," *would you reply "OZO"?*
-If the hypothetical is true, Tee AND Eff will ALWAYS reply OZO
-If the hypothetical is false, Tee AND Eff will always reply ULU.
However, if we swapped out OZO for ULU in our question, everything would be the opposite. Like this:
If I asked you, "(insert hypothetical question here)," *would you reply "ULU"?*
-If the hypothetical is true, Tee AND Eff will ALWAYS reply ULU
-If the hypothetical is false, Tee AND Eff will always reply OZO.
Whatever you decide to put in at "would you reply _____?" will always be the response if the hypothetical is true.
Here's an example:
If I asked you, "Does 2+2=4," would you reply *"OZO"?*
The answer will always be OZO if you're asking Tee or Eff. You could swap out OZO for ULU, though.
If I asked you, "Does 2+2=4," would you reply "ULU"?
Again, Tee and Eff will always reply ULL since the hypothetical is true. If it's false, they'll answer with the opposite word that's in the question.
Let's assume we're talking to Eff.
If I asked you, "Are you Eff," would you reply "OZO"?
Assume OZO = TRUE. You can essentially rewrite the question:
If I asked you, "Are you Eff," would you answer "yes"?
Think about what Eff's reply will be, given that he always lies. If he says "yes, I would say yes," he's lying about answering yes to the other question. Which is what he would do.. he's Eff. But if he replied "no," or the opposite to the word in the question," he would essentially being saying, "no, I would not say yes to that question." That's actually a true statement. He's being honest that he would like to us. So, he has to reply with OZO, given that is the word in the question and the hypothetical is true.
So even if that doesn't make sense, you just have to understand that whatever word is in the question, OZO or ULU, that will be the answer IF the hypothetical is *true*, and if the hypothetical is false, the opposite word that isn't in the question will be there answer.
When we ask the alien in the middle:
If I asked you "Is Are to my left," would you reply OZO?
-We have 3 options. We're either talking to Eff, Tee, or Arr.
Let's say we get the reply ULU. We know that ULU is the opposite to the word in the question, OZO. So, IF we are talking to Tee or Eff and we get the response ULU, we know that the hypothetical is false. This means, Arr isn't on the left. But if we are talking to Arr, well that means he is also still not on the left, because he's in the middle. IF we get the reply ULU, Arr is eliminated from the left.. meaning it's either Eff or Tee, so we won't get a random answer as a possibility when we ask that alien a question. So, go to the left most Alien.
If I were to ask you, "Are you Tee," would you reply OZO?
An ozo reply indicates that the hypothetical is true. If it's true, then we are talking to Tee. If it's false, we are talking to Eff. Let's say it's true and we get an ozo reply, so it's Tee. We know one Alien. Now, just ask Tee this:
If I were to ask you, "Is the alien in the middle Arr," would you reply OZO?
An OZO reply means the middle alien is Arr.
An ULU reply means the Alien is Eff.
There, you solved it.
Jed Miller "It's really not that difficult ...**convoluted 2 page essay**
There, easy!"
Jed Miller but what makes us so true that we are asking either tee or eff , we may talking to err?
@@PJSM94 *oh ok*
Here's by far the easiest way to understand this:
To help you understand let's say Ozo means yes and Ulu means no. Then let's say the aliens in order from left to right are:
Tee | Eff | Arr
The solution to the problem is tricking Eff into always telling the truth by using a double negative. Here's how: If you asked him "is the god to your left Arr?" he would lie and say yes(ozo). So if you instead say "if I asked you if the god to your left were Arr, would you say yes(ozo)?" Since he indeed would have, he would lie again and say no(ulu). We just tricked him into telling the truth. Now if Tee and Eff were switched then the exact same thing would've happened. If you asked Tee "is the god on your left Arr?" he would've told the truth and said no(ulu). So if you asked him "if I asked you if the god on your left were Arr, would you say yes(ozo). He would not have so he would still say no(ulu). So whether Tee or Eff is in the middle either one would've told the truth. So what if you're speaking to Arr? Well then that would mean the one on the left couldn't be Arr of course. The whole point of the first question is just to figure out which of the three is NOT Arr. Which you now know is the one on the left. So now you know that the one on the left is either Tee or Eff, and you know how to trick Eff into telling the truth. So now you ask the one on the left "if I asked you if you were Eff, would you say yes(ozo)?" since it's Tee he would say "no(ulu)". So now you know it's Tee. So now you ask Tee again "is the one in the middle Arr?" Tee would say no(ulu) so you would know the one in the middle must be Eff which means the one on the right must be Arr.
Now the reason you don't need to know what Ozo or Ulu means is because you just need to see if they respond with the same word you used or not. If you ask the question with Ozo and they answer with Ozo then they're basically saying yes. If they respond with Ozo when you say Ulu it means no, if they respond with Ulu when you say Ozo it means no. If they respond with Ozo when you say Ozo it means yes. If they respond to Ulu with Ulu it means yes. This whole riddle is basically using negatives and positives from math to solve the problem. If you use a negative, and they use a positive then the solution is negative, or false. If you use a negative and they use a negative then the solution is positive, or true. So now look at the question again "If I asked you if the god on the left is Arr, would you say Ozo?" He replies "Ulu". So you know he's saying the god on the left is NOT Arr. Either he's telling the truth or he IS Arr, either way you know the god on the left isn't Arr, which allows you to figure out the other two. Hope this helps.
I just realised that you could determine which word means "yes" and which word means "no" with your final (fourth) question
There are several ways to go about this, but the simplest is asking Tee whether or not he is Tee
Do not add a hypothetical statement to this question, simply ask Tee, "Are you Tee?"
Since we know the question is true and Tee always answers truthfully, there are only two possible outcomes:
1) Tee answers "ozo". Therefore, "ozo" means "yes" and "ulu" means "no"
2) Tee answers "ulu". Therefore, "ulu" means "yes" and "ozo" means "no"
This video predicted Pikmin 4, a dog and an astronaut working together
Ted-ed: “Can you solve the riddle?”
Me: *”No. I am here for the answer.”*
i cant even understand the answer
Avneet Singh same
Just say ulu
@@autumnveir1168 ozo
Its actually not overly difficult to solve or understand the answer if you have a good knowledge of bool's algebra and good experience in problem solving. Otherwise, however, it is incredibly difficult
Little did you know, TEE helped to repair ship as he promised, EFF lied about fixing your ship and messed up your navigation system instead, while ARR left a timed bomb as a gift.
555 To The 666 And the bomb only explodes when the timer says 0, but the timer only shows random numbers.
lol. Considering their nature (one honest, one lies, one unreliable), they could do something like that.
555 To The 666 ARR= WILDCARD (Like Charlie day in its always sunny 🤣)
Yea, but even as the ship got f%cked, You got Yourself killed before You found it out, because You asked the 4th question - how far is earth at the end of video...
555 To The 666 PLOT TWIST
Basically this puzzle consists of two logics. The first one, no matter what ozo or ulu means, the god will always respond with the one you picked as "yes", and the opposite as "no". The second one is to create a logic that we can use to eliminate Arr while finding out who is lying. Because each question is trying to find Arr, we will have enough information to guess which one is the random Arr even if Arr messed up our first question from the start.
spotted the artist in the wild
Took me half an hour on a whiteboard with marker, but I am thorough with all the steps and feeling happy.
yay!!!
The answer got me more confused then the quiston
You spelled question wrong
*than
@Rycupcakes 7783 No comma needed there
@Rycupcakes 7783 make that three
@@Inkyminkyzizwoz You forgot your full stop.
>deciphered an entire alien language
>except two common, crucial words, ozo and ulu
ZHBG 9224 perfect understanding of a language so you can apply double negatives to long sentences, while also using perfect grammar comes with draw backs.
It's not a probable scenario, but it is a logical problem. ;)
Well, you’re either Aladeeen about it or Aladeen about it, but I think you’re Aladeen about it
S. dictator
Yeah ikr, if it's the entire language you already deciphered, why'd you not know of yes or no in their language?
It sounds like a 4chan post
In fact, there IS a way to find out the translation of these words. After we have found out who is who, without wasting the last question to find out what we won't understand, we ask either Tee or Eff: "Does Tee always tell the truth?" / "Does Eff always lie?" Tee's answer is always true, and since we ourselves know the answers to our questions, Tee's answer translates to "yes". Accordingly, if we ask Eff, his answer translates to "no".
So the part that is confusing is about Ozo being either “Yes” or “No”. But the thing is that doesn’t matter. What is important to know is that receiving Ozo equates to the imbedded question being “True” and receiving Ulu equates to “False”. True and False are not the same as Yes and No, respectively. Hence, the meaning of the words does not matter. So regardless if you ask the question to Tee, Eff or Arr, if you receive Ozo as the answer it means the imbedded question is True and if the answer is Ulu that means it’s False.
except if you're talking to arr, arr completely skips that and just picks at random
@@MichaelDarrow-tr1mn But the whole point about the first question is to guarantee that you ask the secodn and third questions to someone who isn't Arr. If Arr is on one of the sides then the first question will direct you to the side whe he isn't. If Arr is in the middle then the first question doesn't matter because you're always asking the second and third questions to one of the sides.
Ted-Ed: did you solve the hardest puzzle in the world with only 1 brain cell in just 3 seconds?
Me:
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Me: uwu
Why does this comment not have many likes? lmao
@Isaac Wang nope, at least 1k
They say to pause the video haha
EYYYYYYY LETS GO I'M LIKE NUMBER 1000
Ted: Can you solve this riddle? Me: how dare you underestimate me of course I ca... *WTF IS THIS*
Same I feel ashamed.
Ikrrr sameee i thought I was good at solving riddles...
exatly... i cant really understand the explanation
It's not that I don't understand the explanation.... exactly. it's just that I fail to see how it is fail proof?
Usually most of channels ask easy questions for you to feel better about yourself. So you watch more of the same channels videos.
So how confusing do you want this riddle to be?
Ted-Ed: *Well, ozo but actually ulu.*
As someone who’s normally pretty good at these, this one was a proper challenge.
Friend: solves riddle
Me: Who tee eff arr you? God?
😂😂😂😂😂 Good one,man!
Well you really just need to think about it however long it takes you to figure it out and you probably will eventually
Lol😂
Underrated !!
Actually this is a joke so never mind that has nothing to do with it
@Yoan Aditya what he said to make you say wtf ?
Me as an intellectual: Place all artifacts in front of them allowing them to pick their artifact.
yeah thats totally easier
Ozo = x^2 x pi. No solution. But.... if I told you there was, what would it be, yes or no? Ozo means yes, while ulu means no. This is solved by asking if Tee's name is Tee, and whatever he responds with is yes. By mentioning his name, he will respond truthfully. He responds Ozo, which is now yes. This identifies Tee, and solves for Ozo. Now, you mention Eff and pick a answer where you know if it is yes or no. This finds Eff and can lead to maybe discoveries and other possibilities. You then find Arr, and ask Tee if you this is the correct overlords' names.
R would just take somebody else's artifact, T would whine about it, and F would go full Karen.
@@commandercaptain4664 actually ur right eff would take others artifact not his own
he lie boi right? and arr idk tee would take his own artfact unless eff already took it
TedEd: Can you solve the riddle?
Me: Ozo
LMAOOOOO
Lols
There's also a cheese solution:
1. Ask Alien A if Alien B will tell the truth when asked 2x2=4. If A can't answer at all, B is random. Otherwise B isn't.
2. If B is random, ask A if "ozo" is a positive answer/affirmative/confirmation:
- If they mean yes and are telling the truth, they'll say ozo.
- If they mean yes and are lying, ozo means no but they're the liar, so they'll say ulu.
- If they mean no and are telling the truth, ozo means no, so they'll say ozo.
- If they mean no and are lying, ozo means yes but they're the liar, so they'll say ulu.
The truth teller always says ozo while the liar always says ulu. You can ask A the first question about C if B isn't random. If even C isn't random, A must be, so ask B the second question.
Lol thats actually genius
That wouldn’t work. Arr will randomly choose to answer a question as either Tee or Eff (if my interpretation of the problem is correct), so all three aliens will decline to answer.
@@cmyk8964 i think it would work actually, since the reason A would be unable to answer the question if B is random is that A doesn’t know if B is telling the truth or not, so A would be “stuck” not knowing. Also, I am not sure if your interpretation is correct, as if arr always decided to tell either the truth of a lie, you could get information out from him using the same method that you use with tee and eff, which isn’t what the problem wanted in my understanding, considering the solution.
everyone is having very intelligent discussions in the comment section while i'm literally like wtf
Phan Trash You're not alone, man. *Taps your shoulder* You're not alone.
I literally did not follow that at all, good thing I'm not alone
The one saying "no" or lying, realizes he is lying and tells the truth. Seriously.
Is 2+2=4?
Truth - yes
Liar - no...but realizes he is lying so says "yes" for some reason
since he lies, he lies to himself...?
If asked "If I asked you if 2+2=4, would you respond 'ozo'?", it doesn't matter what "ozo" and "ulu" actually mean. Tee's response would be straight forward. If "ozo" meant yes, he would truthfully reply "yes", since he would in fact say yes to the condition. Eff, however would actually respond no to the condition, due to him always lying. So since he would actually respond "no", he instead responds "yes" to being asked if he would respond "yes" to the question. This means in either case, they would both respond "ozo", since we assume here "ozo" means "yes."
Let's assume instead that "ozo" means "no." In that case Tee, who would normally respond "yes" to the condition, responds "no", since he would not say "no" to the condition. Eff, on the other hand, would normally say "no" to the condition. Therefore, if asked if he would respond "no", he would lie and say "no" to the question, since he actually would say "no" to the condition. Either way, the would still respond "ozo" to the question, based on our assumption.
Because of all of this, no matter if we ask Tee or Eff, or if "ozo" means "yes" or "no", both of them will respond "ozo" if the condition is true, and "ulu" if the condition is false. This doesn't help us with Arr, since his response is random, but that's what the rest of the video is for.
If it were me, i would've presented all the artifacts to them at the same time and let them pick. I am not smart enough for this riddle.
I wouldve just learned their language 100% before asking anything. Seemed like they could learn pretty fast anyways
sora ai I thought of the same solution. I bet those aliens know what artifact belongs to each other.
But what if one of them lie and take an artifact that isn't theirs and cause a commotion?
The Sportzers then leave while the commotion is going on xD
DracoSerpentisCruor HOW the heck would I leave then?
"is it a long way to earth?"
Alien : dunno man
Who else is binge watching these and just being wowed by the answers?
imagine if you solved all of that and you ask tee “is it a long way to earth?” and tee just replies “yes.”
You could ask him a question that you already know the answer to, so you would then know which word meant which
@@Inkyminkyzizwoz yeah i get that aha but like its that he could talk english the whole time lmao
@@Inkyminkyzizwoz Yeah but then you’d be out of questions and it wouldn’t do you any good because you couldn’t ask anything else.
@@chriswebster24 well since any other question wouldn't yield useful I formation either might as well ask that so you don't beat yourself up for the rest of your life because you don't know it lol
@@Inkyminkyzizwoz but you do not know if it is Tee or Eff or Arr
Riddle? Hard
Me? Confused
The gods? Unhappy
Hotel? Trivago
Wow..............
@@femboyventi lol
@@_bunnies_3317 btw I like your profile picture
@@femboyventi yeah you too
@@_bunnies_3317 😁
At this point i will be the 4th god on that planet named BEE and mess with other people who get stranded there
around 4:05 is where I got lost. there's just like one too many conditional for me to make sense of how the second question's alien's answer determines their identity...
edit: NVM I JUST HAD TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE EARLIER NOTES. no matter which way the second alien replies, it determines the validity of the internal question. there are a lot of layers in this one. questions within logical deductions within even further questions... mind twisting stuff, i can see why this one earned its title
Girl: Will you say Ozo if the god next to you is Tee?
Eff: Uwu
HAHAHAHAHA GOOD ONE
Nice
i see u r a man of culture
OwO
Bring forth the holy hand grenade
You explained it to me but now I need someone to explain the explanation.
It's not super intuitive; you just have to check each case.
Ask T: If I asked you if 2 + 2 = 4, would you say yes?
answer is yes
Ask T: If I asked you if 2 + 2 = 4, would you say no?
answer is no
Ask F: If I asked you if 2 + 2 = 4, would you say yes?
F would answer 2 + 2 = 4 with no, but what you're basically asking is "do you tell the truth?" He'd lie and say yes.
Ask F: If I asked you if 2 + 2 = 4, would you say no?
What you're basically asking is "Would you tell a lie?" He'd lie and say no.
If you notice, in each case the premise of the question you're asking is true. No matter what word you use, yes or no, or whether you're asking T or F, the alien would match that word. That's the hardest part of the logic puzzle; the rest is elimination.
Galaxy Cat, Destroyer of Worlds what i don't get is that what if you asked your first question from arr? The answer wouldn't even matter cause you don't know if he is lying or not
Galaxy Cat, Destroyer of Worlds you're actually explaining it from the wrong perspective. The key to solving this riddle is to first neglect the fact that the meaning to respective words ozo and ulu, and then use the theory of whether ++ or -- both equals + to ask them questions that is -- and see how the overlords react base on their respective logic. But you started your explanation from assuming the meaning to ozo and ulu, which is very confusing and somehow contradictory to the riddle's core essence.
Caden Campbell omg, lol!! Same 😂😂😂
I ozo understand the explanation
seven years ago this was made, yet i still come back to it once in a while to remember the solution
do you forget it?
Here is the logic puzzle and the solution in mathematical terms:
Let T, F, and R denote Tee, Eff, and Arr, respectively. Let p(x) denote the truth value of a statement x, where p(x) = 1 if x is true and p(x) = 0 if x is false.
Since Tee's answers are always true, p(T) = 1. Since Eff's answers are always false, p(F) = 0. The truth value of Arr's answers is random and can be represented by a random variable X with the uniform distribution on {0,1}.
Given the three questions Q1, Q2, Q3, we can represent the answers of each alien as the following random variables:
A1 = p(Q1 | T)
A2 = p(Q2 | F)
A3 = p(Q3 | R)
We can use the following strategy to determine the values of p(ozo) and p(ulu):
Ask any alien a question to which you know the answer, for example, "Are you Tee?"
Let's assume the answer is "ozo." Then ask another question to another alien, "Is 'ozo' a positive response?"
Let's say the answer is "ozo." Then p(ozo) = 1 and p(ulu) = 0. If the answer is "ulu," then p(ozo) = 0 and p(ulu) = 1.
Now that we know the values of p(ozo) and p(ulu), we can determine the truth values of each alien by asking yes or no questions to each of them and comparing their answers to p(ozo).
(Courtesy of ChatGPT)
Lol
Tee=T=Truth
Eff=F=False
Arr=R=Random
Nice
oh
That's what I thought 🤣
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@yearly color era number arrbitrary
Did I understand the riddle?
Ulu.
Did I learn anything?
Ozo.
What did I learn?
*To not crash-land on an alien planet.*
Well if she did learn something than, and her answer to “did i learn something” is ozo. that means ozo is yes and ulu is no - So no they did not understand and yes they learned something
But we still don't know which is yes and which is no. The narrator just kinda assumed....lol
🤣🤣🤣
i showed this riddle video to my mom and all she said was "the riddle was hard but damn whoever drew Arr needs a raise. He's adorable! I wish he had more use in the riddle"
**in conclusion my mom thinks Arr is adorable, and her next fave is Tee.**
Update: she also asked if Arr is wearing mascara....
*brain starts overworking and starts breaking*
I JUST REALIZED THAT TEE ARR AND EFF STAND FOR "T" "R" "F" WHICH MEANS TRUE/RANDOM/FALSE, JUST LIKE THEIR ANSWERS. HOLY SHI
Mai bine taceai.
T
Thank you, I'm brazilian, and if wasn't you, I would never realize that
Obviously
@@anythingatall1471 not obviously, thats legit hard to finf.
Imagine how frustrated Eff gets once he realised that he can never truly lie.
His whole Life Will be a lie to him
That's why he's called F. It doesn't stand for False, it's actually because of the swearing.
@@alessioaletta8121 can we get an F in the chat
😂😂
F
It says that you may only ask 3 questions but it seems as if you need four to solve. - to determine the validity of your statement, 2-determine where arr is not, 3-ask the alien who you know for sure isnt arr if he is tee or eff, 4- who the middle alien is?
1 was just an example question they used to show the logic used in the questions to determine Tee adn Eff, it isn't actually part of the riddle's solution.
"Can you solve the three gods riddle?"
*man i don't even understand the solution*
So both tee and eff would answer ozo if the statement in the question is true, and would answer ulu if the statement was false, that way they can rule out one alien that isn’t arr, and asks for their identify and phrase the 3rd question based on the known identity.
@@Ng1Brad what if they actually ask arr and tee/eff?
@@Hange. If you asked arr the first question, it wouldn't matter what his answer is because the purpose of the 1st question is to find who you're 100% sure isn't arr based on their response.
@@Hange.
If "statement is true", would you answer ozo?
Assuming ozo means yes:
Tee: Statement is true, so ozo.
Eff: Statement is true, but eff will give false answer, so he would have answered ulu to the statement, but the point of the question isn't whether the statement is true or false, it's on which answer they'll give, since eff will answer ulu, he changes the answer to ozo.
Assuming ozo means no:
Tee: Tee would've answered yes (ulu) it's true, so he answers no (ozo).
Eff: Eff would've answer no (ozo), so his truthful answer would be ulu to the entire question, eff being eff he changes the answer to ozo.
Now if "statement is false", would you answer ozo?
If ozo means yes:
Tee would say no (ulu) because it's false.
Eff would say ozo to the statement, so when he's asked if he would answer ozo, he falsifies and answers ulu.
If ozo means no:
Tee answers ulu (yes) because the statement is false.
Eff would say ulu to the statement, so when asked if he would answer ozo, he falsifies and answers ulu.
From both scenarios we can conclude that if the statement is true, tee and eff would answer ozo (same answer you include in your whole question), if it's false, they'll both answer ulu (different answer in your whole question). Then you can work your statements around eliminating arr, so you can get straight forward answers from either Tee or eff.
@@Ng1Brad I still didn't actually understand it but ok😅😅 it's night so maybe my mind isn't working or I just have to ask someone who speaks same language as mine.. but thank you so so much for taking your time to explain it to me💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
1. Confirm you have green eyes.
2. Ask the overlords to let you leave.
@koko night roma r/whoosh
Nope. Correct video. Idk what @koko night roma is talking about.
@DaRainbowGuy 23 Oops I see it as a joke now
i keep seeing these kinds of jokes that I can't even find these funny anymore
@@jrod9647 There’s another riddle where u have to confirm u have green eyes so u can ask to leave without the possibility of being thrown into a volcano. This video is commonly referenced because it has a silly plot.
a riddle about how humanity's brain capacity is deteriorating in my shorts
I like how you used tee (t) for true which begins in t, eff (f) for false which begins in f, and arr (r) for random which begins in r.
I just realized that TEE is the first letter in true, EFF in false, and ARR in random.
The Anxious Wiggler
Ye I realised too
No s**t sherlock
Flapjack Lang that’s not a very cash money thing to say
@@DriftingMari oh f**k you!!!!
Flapjack Lang nah.
2 years and I still don't understand this riddle's explanation
How to find ARR guy, just ask each of them the same question multiple times and one of them will give different answers to the same question, then you left to find other two. Then I would ask both of the remaining overlords, are you telling the Truth, they will both say ulu if ulu is yes, because the one who's not lying TEE, has to say yes because he's telling only the truth the truth, when I ask EFF false guy the same question, are you telling the truth he will lie and he will say also yes on their language so ulu if ulu is yes, so i will know that ulu means yes, and then I can find out who is TEE and EFF because I know their yes and no, and I learned also last 2 words of their language YES and NO. My answer, easier to understand.
@@samirdoncic6395 Logically, it's possible that Arr give you the same answer for indefinitely many times in a row. So your way is not right. This is a "logical" paradox. You have to come up with a logically necessary solution.
@@kuanweiwu2414 no it is not possible that arr can give indefinite number of same Answers, just not possible, if there is a 50%, 50% chance then it is not possible, it is not stated that arr will give same answer to the same question every time so it is not possible, but still you are right, my way of solving is wrong.
@@samirdoncic6395 since there's a 50/50 chance, it's not PROBABLE, but certainly it is POSSIBLE. Think of it this way, if you ask arr the same question 10 times, and he answers ozo, ozo, ozo, ulu, ozo, ulu, ulu, ozo, ulu, ulu; and you count how many ozo's and ulu's he answered,it's five each. But inside those 10 times, he repeated ozo 3 times straight. If he casually does this on your 3 chances to question (wich he could, because it's random every time) he would still maintain the 50/50 proportion, but would've answered you 3 times the same thing, so you cannot trust arr to give you different answers every time: randomness of that kind in practice tends to a distribution, but in theory it could be always ozo infinite times, or an least 3 times. You won't be sure, so you shouldn't bet your life on it.
@@samirdoncic6395 what happened if the middle is Arr? Ted-Ed don't explain this situation
It's been five years and I finally realized Tee (T for true) , Eff (F for False), and Arr (R for random)
At the end, depending on if the trip to earth was actually long, you could tell that ozo means yes or no
Arr, where the Eff is my Tee?
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😂
Dᴏᴡʟᴘʜɪɴ
これは私を笑わせた
Dᴏᴡʟᴘʜɪɴ clever clever
Dᴏᴡʟᴘʜɪɴ nice!
is eff a bad word?
trick question, as i am on their planet the only alien is me
44almm
oh shit!
That's epic! wish I thought of that.
There's a dog too.
44almm lol
44almm good thinking 😂😂
Gotta wonder how an alien got to be an overlord by giving a random answer to every question it's asked.
I watch Teded riddles for the plot at this point.
the answer is give each one an artifact, check and see if they are appeased, if not, load from previous save file, and try another combination of artifacts there are 3 artifacts (or sequences) to choose from, should take 4 or 5 tries. then exit planet.
CubeMster I forgot to save...
I already got my companionship badge and my skill tree is at 14
Cooljonny Gamin' Reload the mission.
CubeMster I think I've made a very detailed explanation.
LOL!!!
Thanks TED-Ed now i feel stupid..
The English Teacher you should you play teemo
The English Teacher ozo
ULU !!!!!!
ozo ulu
The English Teacher allahu akbar
Dang it this video really could have helped me out the other week when I was in this situation
I didn't realize that you started by knowing which artifact went to which Overlord by name. I thought after identifying the Overlords, you would still have to try to figure out which artifact belongs to which name.
Kind of makes me wonder how many questions you would need for this additional task.
Same
For the fourth and final question when you leave, ask Tee:
“Is 2+2=4”
If oso means yes, Tee would say oso.
If oso means no, Tee would say ulu.
You would finally be able to find out what the words mean. It wouldn’t really accomplish anything other than you being fully fluent in the alien language though.
It gives you a Steam achievement if you unlock the full language.
…Unless this whole time the aliens didn’t know how to do math…
The riddle will make a tiny bit more sense if: you can ask in your own language and the aliens will understand, but they will only answer in their own language which you don't know.
Also only works If aliens have the same syste on maths
Tbh you could just ask another hypothetical question to find out if it's a long way to Earth without knowing if ozo is yes or no. "Tee, If I asked you 'is it a long way to Earth?' Would you answer ozo?" If ozo, statement is true, it's a long way till Earth. If ulu, hooray! Earth isn't that far away!
Just put down the artifacts in front of the three over lords and say in alien:
“Take the one you want”
Unfortunately that is a statement. Not a question.
@@anon8510 Well, if it's not a statement, those quotations threw me off.
@@anon8510 Hmm, I believe your right actually. An order directs while a statement tells you about a subject. I stand corrected. An Order is what I wanted to say. Thanks.
braaainsiogame That's not how wooshing works.
@@SappySoul then how about.. Could you take what you want? Please?... Ahahha
for the last question you should ask tee: is 2+2 4? if he anwsers ozo you know ozo means yes if he anwsers ulu you know ulu means yes, that would be more useful than knowing if there is a long way to earth cuz you should know that if you traveled from there.
Me to Eff: hey man would you say yes if I asked is the guy on the right is Arr?
Eff: yes but actually no
Me: *watches video*
Me: What?
Me: *re-watches video*
Me:.....What?
I don't know why, but that ending felt depressing to me.
Jediøtic! IKR!!!
Ah yes, the feeling of uncertainty, of not knowing whether you're gonna make it home or die alone in the vast emptiness of space
Long is Subjective. for some an Hour is a long time others its very short.
+Jacob Westrate well, it could've been a generation ship, and he could've been an only child.
Jediøtic! ok
The face she makes at the end is priceless
I figured out another 2-question solution using another special question, and this solution is better than my last. This solution exploits the same 2 facts: 1. Nobody knows what Arr would say because he answers randomly, and 2. Both Tee or Eff cannot answer ozo or ulu if he doesn’t know the answer.
Let’s label the aliens from left to right as A, B, and C.
The strategy is to find Arr first. Ask A, “If I asked him (pointing at B) if he were Tee, would he say ozo?” If A cannot answer ozo or ulu, then B must be Arr; A cannot answer if he does not know how B would answer. If you’re lucky in finding Arr right away, then ask C, “If I asked him (pointing at A) if he were Tee, would he say ozo?” If C answers ozo, then A is Eff and C is Tee, but if C answers ulu, then A is Tee and C is Eff.
If you were not so lucky to find Arr yet, then he’s either A or C. Ask B, “If I asked him (pointing at C) if he were Tee, would he say ozo?” If B cannot answer ozo or ulu, then C must be Arr and A’s prior answer is all you need. If A answered ozo, then A is Tee and B is Eff, but if A answered ulu, then A is Eff and B is Tee.
On the other hand, if B answers ozo or ulu, then A must be Arr. If B says ozo, then B is Tee and C is Eff. If B says ulu, then B is Eff and C is Tee.
Please let me know what you think.
When you ask the alien lords whether ozo is yes or no
Alien lords: well yes but actually no
Science Theorizer Well ozo but actually ulu
Good one
it is funny how at the end both you and the narrator have forgotten the key premise to this riddle.
If you would ask Tee (or Eff, doesn't matter actually) the question "If I would ask you, whether Ozo means yes, would you answer Ozo?" and they would actually answer Ozo, then you know that your hypothetical question was true and Ozo really means yes. If they reply with Ulu your question was wrong and Ozo means no:
"proof":
suppose O=⊤ (yes/true/top):
F(F(O=⊤)=O) F(F(⊤=⊤)=⊤) F(F(⊤)=⊤) F(⊥=⊤) F(⊥) ⊤
suppose O=⊥ (no/false/bottom):
F(F(O=⊤)=O) F(F(⊥=⊤)=⊤) F(F(⊥)=⊤) F(⊤=⊤) F(⊤) ⊥
@Floki fair enough, though from the six rules you are not limited on what to ask the aliens as long as it is a yes or no question, so my proposed question is still one that she could ask. In other versions of this riddle the introduction is done a bit different and the aliens do understand your language, but can only talk in their own. I guess that is where the ambiguity in the rules emerges from. Alternatively you could also ask Tee, after having identified all aliens, if he is Tee and his answer will tell you whether Ozo or Ulu means yes.
They'd be like: "oh you still don't know?" Lmao!
When the math teacher has explained the answer multiple times: 4:35
4:36*
i love it, i imagine the situation, and the cam zooming in the face is inclusive more perfect
I am the math teacher. Ozo = x^2 x pi. No solution. But.... if I told you there was, what would it be, yes or no? Ozo means yes, while ulu means no. This is solved by asking if Tee's name is Tee, and whatever he responds with is yes. By mentioning his name, he will respond truthfully. He responds Ozo, which is now yes. This identifies Tee, and solves for Ozo. Now, you mention Eff and pick a answer where you know if it is yes or no. This finds Eff and can lead to maybe discoveries and other possibilities. You then find Arr, and ask Tee if you this is the correct overlords' names.
I died XD
Haha
Will someone help me out?
I could've sworn the riddle presented as we were only allowed to ask 3 "ozo or ulu" questions. And that we could ask only one God a question at a time. Then, the video proceeds to provide a solution asking 4 questions (technically 5, because the 1st was asked to 2 gods).
The first was the hypothetical 2+2=4 (asked to 2 gods, which, i thought was 2 questions). 3 questions were asked after that.
I'm all for hard riddles, but it can't be because the instructions are wrong.
To clarify, the first few questions presented were only to establish how double negatives work and weren't actually asked to the gods. The only questions actually asked to the gods were "If I asked you wheter the overlord on my left is arr, would you answer 'Ozo'?" The second one was, "If I asked 'are you Eff?" would you answer 'Ozo'?" And the last one was "If I asked you 'Is the center alien Arr,' would you say "Ozo'?"
The first two questions never happened. That’s just for demonstration that both T and F would answer the same thing.
“Tee, if I asked you whether I have green eyes, would you answer “ozo”?
*Tee answers ozo”
But... Just knowing who is who doesn't help you figure out who the artifact belongs to, does it?
Diorno Diovanna just what I was thinking. How's this not the bigger issue?
Diorno Diovanna ikr
fortunnately you know which artifact belongs to which alian. Otherwise it would be impossible to solve the riddle under the given conditions
u already know which artifact corresponds with which name
I'm not seeing where that was explained.
Me: I understand
My Brain: oooooh he lyin
I'm sorry if Im terrible at this
Basically,
Let us presume that the variable O is a true fact.
And let us presume that X and Y are the unknown variables.
Your first question is "If I ask you whether O is true, would you say X?"
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Now let us presume that X is "Yes"
"If I ask you whether this true fact is actually true, would you say Yes?"
T says X, and by doing so he implicitly means, "If you ask me whether O is true, I would say yes, *because O is true"*
F says X, and by doing so he implicitly means, "If you ask me whether O is true, I would, in reality, say that it isn't. *But I cannot tell you that I WOULD say no.* Thereby I say yes."
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Now let us presume that X is "No."
"If I ask you whether a true fact is actually true, would you say no?"
T says X, and by doing so he implicitly means, "No. I would not say 'no' to that question, because you're asking me whether O is not true, while in actuality it is"
And F says, "No, I would not say 'no' because I cannot tell you that I WOULD say no. So no, I would not say no."
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Essentially, we now know that 'X' in fact is an answer that is accurate and reflects reality. When both say X, they both, directly and indirectly, point to something that is real.
And now we extend this to the next question
"If I say R is to your left, would you say X?"
T says X, which we suppose means Yes. And by that, he means simply, "Yes. R is to my left."
T says X, which we suppose means no. And by that he implicitly means no, "I would not say no if you ask me whether R is at my left, because he is."
F says X, which we suppose means Yes. And by that he implicitly means, "Yes, I *would* say R is to my left, even though I actually would say no. Because I cannot tell you that I would say no."
F says X, which we suppose means No. And by that he implicitly says, "No, because I will not tell you that I WOULD say no. So no, I would not say no."
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So now you know that the one on the left is R. Thereby you turn to the one on the right. You ask him that "If I ask you 'Are you T?' would you say X?" If he says X, it's T. Then by the process of deduction you figure the right is T, the middle is F and the left is R.
Chocobabe thanks for trying
Ozo = x^2 x pi. No solution. But.... if I told you there was, what would it be, yes or no? Ozo means yes, while ulu means no. This is solved by asking if Tee's name is Tee, and whatever he responds with is yes. By mentioning his name, he will respond truthfully. He responds Ozo, which is now yes. This identifies Tee, and solves for Ozo. Now, you mention Eff and pick a answer where you know if it is yes or no. This finds Eff and can lead to maybe discoveries and other possibilities. You then find Arr, and ask Tee if you this is the correct overlords' names.
@@chocobabe2934 Or you could just watch a limited version of this riddle used in _Laybrinth_
ki bole na bole egula
Me: hey Tee, will I solve this riddle?
Tee: Ozo
You had solved the hardest riddle, * level of GOD *
"A double positive always equals a positive."
*_yeah, right._*
You’re a ( + + ) person!
but there are languages where a double negative is still a negative;)
Two or more positives (+) stay a positive. Two or more negatives go to positive. One negative and one or more positives is a negative.
@Houdini Papaini Troll Brub it was a joke
@@getspaded learnrussianstepbystep.com/en/double-negative/