Why The 2021 KTM 890 Adventure (non-R) Makes For An Awesome First Big Adventure Bike!
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Hi bob, welcome back to the future, the low centre of gravity is inherited from the 2003 950 adventure, great polished review as always.
Cheers
Doh! Thanks for the wisdom - I'll pin this for others to see.
@@motobob cheers, it’s showing my age though. I’ll be keen to see what you make of the 1290 SAS, I’m not a gadget type a guy so I it’ll be good to get a tech savvy review...
Did 950 Adventure have a low centre of gravity?? Tell us why.
@@NachoGS hi there , the original Ktm 950/990 adventure bikes benefited from a low central mass which gives great balance. The V Twin engine the two fuel tanks slung either side of the bike drop the weight of the bike, as does the battery, a heavy item on any bike is positioned below the front cylinder and covered by the skid/ engine guard adding to the low centre of gravity. Do t forget this bike, the 950, was based on a Dakar winning machine, a full fat off road race bike.
@@motobob My biggest question is : Is the added 90hp and engine tweaking worth the added 10ish kg weight surplus? Cuse for me the 790 power size to weight ratio seemed as the goldy lock perect balance thogh i like the new black colour and the adanced electronics. also if it tned down to a2, if it able to as the 790 adv s, it is 50hp closer to the 500hp 35kw before, but ima light rider and my partner is light too, so the weight factor is very important for me, i would use it in and around the city, and also making smaller tours with it, for bigger one, we wold go with a camperan, so not to necessary, but if there is a problem with the van or sg and we have to go far for some reason, it wold be great if it cold manage the power. And im not a big motorway gyu.
I'm not even intersted in this bike but watch anything this lad puts up
Cheers for the support Allan! 🍻
Thanks for that Allan, I’ll now sleep well tonight😉
Mate I have to say your videos are top quality in terms of the production and delivery. Genuinely better than some mainstream media outlets, and this isn't even your job. 😂👍
Great review! Can’t wait for the norden! All the goodness of this bike with the amazing looks and finish of Husky!
Nice to see you dipping your toes into the adv motorcycle waters, MotoBob. It’s such a great way to enjoy motorcycling! Fewer/no cars and trucks, a great connection to nature, and if you’re motocamping, it’s adventure by the day, and sometimes by the hour. This bike looks like a winner for those who love tech and high performance. Of course, those things come at a price.
Yeah I just wish there were more places to ride on gravel in the uk. Hopefully I’ll get to know a few more routes over time!
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Great Presentation MotoBob !! Cheers from Sydney, DownUnder 👍🇦🇺🍺
Thanks, I hadn't considered the 890 until your Vid, great job
That maybe the best motorcycle review I have see!
The upcoming Norden 901 will be my next ride... guarantee.
You have a new subscriber.
Cheers
The range between 830 and 900 mm is astounding to me. One of the things I love about ADV.
Great review as always Bob 👍🏻👍🏻
The fuel tanks down load was introduced way before the 790. The KTM 950 Adventure had low slung fuel tanks.
An extra £770 for the Tech Pack which includes the QS and cruise control. A bit cheeky really given the cc buttons are already on the left hand switch gear. And £800 for an Akrapovic end can to be fitted by the dealer.
This is the sort of bike one could really get to like. Great info video Bob.
Cheers RH! 🍻
Test rode the 890 the other week. Great machine and something that delivers in so many ways. If I had more experience and skill it’d be a real weapon, but I’d probably just end up in hospital if I owned one.
Great to see more ADV content. Picking my Tiger 900 Rally Pro soon.
Great choice! Enjoy :)
Probably my fave review channel
Super review mate 👍...
Keep up the good work 👌
Thanks mate! 🙏👍
Hey @MotoBob, how about a head to head comparison between KTM 890 ADV and the Triumph Tiger 850 Sport
Awesome review! Great bike...thanks! 😄
Great review, wasn’t interested in an adventure bike until now. Was looking at the new monster 950.
Go adv mate... seriously I’ve got a 1200s and a new tenere and I luv the simplicity of the T7 and have been buying camping gear so... go adv👍
I picked up the 890 Adventure the other day.
Coming off the 1290 SAR and a Pan America for a year and a half prior to the big KTM.
The 890 fits me. I think this might be my Goldilocks bike. Time will tell but sun impressed so far.
Great video Bob. Just picked up my 890 today and traded in a 2015 Tiger Explorer. Tiger was great on highways but I wanted a little more confidence off road. your video sums it up.
I currently have a 2015 Triumph 1200 and thinking of the switch. Was it worth it?
@@VinceHeilman if you actually want to go off road a little the 890 is better. Going off road or doing river crossings (I have done) on a tiger 1200 is scary (top heavy). the KTM is very very stable even at low speed. On the high way the 1200 rules (i have ridden it on a 2500 mile trip), but the 890 is adequate (I have ridden mine on a 300 mile trip)
Fantastic review!
Cheers Pete! 🍻
Bought mine week ago, rode it for first time last friday, spent all wekend on it. That bike is phenomenal. Both on roads and off road. As long as you stay on surface that is solid and while offroad avoid as much wet surface as possible (those tires dont like wet mud, grass, sand) the bike handles anything. And that power, that engine gives you so much power, everywhere, anytime.
Are you still liking the 890 ?
@@jblue1299 Hi. Yes I do, I do like it very much. I have bought quickshifter, cruise control and all the other modpacks , REMUS slip on exhaust and the bike is even better now. Do you have any specific questions you would like to ask? Ill be glad to help
Btw: on my channel there are some videos captured while riding the bike, not great because I am new to this youtube/recording stuff, but anyway, they are there.
@@cloudjumper8868 , thanks for replying; is this bike comfortable and reliable enough for a long trip, say 5,000 miles ?
@@jblue1299 Comfort: It is an adventure bike so you can sit with your back straight, rather comfortable. I find myself leaned to front often, because the bike has so sporty feeling when you want it. But my longest one day journey so far was 450 km. I didn´t feel uncomfortable, I had no leg pain, back pain. I did buy new gloves after bcause I found out, that my old ones stoped blood circulation in my index finger and It got numb - so no bike related issue.
Only thing - with my 185cm the top of my helmet is just slightly above the airstream of the front windshield. That makes noise and forces me to lean forward (down) above 100km/h speed to avoid the airstream. If you are up to 180cm, you should be fine and windshield should cover you no problem. The leaned position makes obviously more pressure on your back and neck and it can tire or even hurt in longer trips. After riding 450km in one day, I felt my neck - not hurting, but i felt it. I never experienced it anymore, probably because I didnt go so long distance in one day after or maybe I have been riding wit my body in more straight position.
You have to try the seat, I dont mind the shape, hardness, body position, but everyone can feel it differently and only way to know how you feel on it is to try to ride the bike.
Bike has several modes of engine response/power delivery and traction control (+ABS on/of). The street mode can be changed to "rain" or "offroad" and these are limiting the power response, so you can ride slower, more fluidly. Street mode gives you full power of the engine. You can feel more comfortable with different modes in different situations. I do like offroad while going offroad because the bike is calmer on the throttle response and I like street on the road, because of the punchy nature of the engine, easy overtaking etc.
Traction control and ABS - I found myself in one situation, where cornering ABS and MTC saved me from ugly fall. I am sure that I would drop the bike if I had not had these electronic features. I felt them both interfereing to the handling of the bike, stabilizing me in the middle of the corner and enabled me to exit it safely. In my opinion, the electronics are top, usefull and worth.
The lights are awesome. It is comfort, when you see and are seen because of good lights of the bike, right? Mirrors are on a good spot, I can see things behind me very well.
Is the aviability of power counted as "comfort"? I never experienced lack of power or torque. Up to 200km/h the bike goes with lust for more, without hesitation and with no issues of wobbling, unstability or mischief (is that a word?). I didnt ride it faster. You have enough power to overtake basically any car in almost any situation (provided you have view, skill, surface etc). You are obviously not driving R1, Ninja 1000 or Fireblade, you are not the fastest bike on the road. But compared to 95% of cars, you can overtake them easily because you will have the power to do so comfortably.
Reliability: everybody on internet is questioning the reliability of KTM. I have about 5000 km on my bike and I didnt have any issue so far. I know that is telling little. We talked about reliability with the seller and he confirmed, that it is often questioned by customers. He also said, that the amount of failures, mechanical issues and generaly problems of all kinds with the KTM bikes is not exceptional in comparison to other brands (he was comparing their bussines with other brands bussines in the country).
The other sources (we have car bussines, we know people from different car/bicycle/truck companies and I asked their opinion because I was choosing from multiple options - Triumph, V-Strom, HD PanAmerica, BMW GS...) ensured me, that KTM is in their experience no worse than other brands in the terms of reliability, especially the newer models.
The engine they use in 890 is based on a 790 adventure engine with huge amount of upgrades and improvements, KTM talks about it a lot and every review mentions it. I also talked to many people who own KTMs, noone told me, that they had some serious issue. If the issue was serious, it was always due to handling of the bike (droped in terrain, punctured tire and following crash, forgot oil change). I decided to believe them more than internet people, but I can not and will not say, that KTMs are flawless, without defects, problems or other issue, because I only know what I know from limited sources.
On my previous KTM, the 390 DUKE, there was an issue with acceleration control - it didnt roll back to "no throttle" position, you had to use your hand both ways. It was on the bike from the factory and was replaced by the seller for no cost. After that myMighty Duke had no problems. That shows something, right?
Note one thing - I am not a bike veteran who has hundreds of thousands kilometers under his belt. I feel it like I wrote it and maybe, other bikes are better in many aspects - I dont know, I dint test them. So aforementioned is my feeling of the bike without testing much of competition (or testing it more than a 10 km ride). I recommend to test the bikes and picking the one you feel is the best.
@@cloudjumper8868 , thank you so very much for your insight!!
I had 10 issues with my 890 AdvR. Everything from Immobilizer failure, moisture inside the TFT display and cold start issues
Yes my first adv for sure. In my dreams
He’s like a British version of Jakob from The Straight Pipes.
Think I'm gonna go put a deposit down on one of these, I love these!
I rode my first KTM a few weeks ago, a 1290 R. I now know what all the fuss is about! 😎
That’s what I’ve got next! Excited to try it
Do your feet even touch the ground?
I love the electronic height adjustment on the 1290, really handy when you need to push with your legs cause you can lower it so you get bend in your knees.
I used to have a super soaker squirt gun that had a shield that looked just like that windscreen 😂😂😂
Just bought the 890 Adventure. I’ve owned many bikes, including 2019 BWM 1250 GSA. This bike is absolutely one of, if not the best, bikes I personally have owned. This review hits it on the head. Primarily road rider, but love the aspect of being able to take it off mild dirt tracks. Awesome ride.
So you bought the S ?
Mark, any excessive wind buffeting at highway speeds?
@@jblue1299 slightly. I’m only 5’ 9”. I did add a wind deflector at the top of the windscreen. That pretty much eliminated all of my head buffeting. I think if your taller than I am you may have some head buffeting, especially without the wind deflector add on.
@@SuperCheesyMan sorry for the long timed response. Yes I did purchase the S. I love it. Have ridden it on a 4425 km trip, mostly on road. Did ride several forestry roads but it was a little sketchy on the stock tires.
I bought a new 2020 KTM 790 Adventure S in December of 2020. Paid $9999.00 (which included tax & tags). The dealer had two 2020 S models left, an orange and a white one. I bought the white one. I Love the bike ! Everything about it I love. Since buying it I purchased Touratech Panniers (31 liter and a 38 liter).Plan on getting a top case for it soon as well.I also replaced the stock exhaust with a Akrapovic Exhaust System. Also replced the stock seat with a more comfortable Corbin seat. I am also thinking of getting a center stand for it to be able to adjust and lube the chain drive when needed myself and plug any punctured tires that may occur. Yes indeed, I truly Love this motorcycle ! IMO, it is an Adventure/Sport Touring motorcycle. LOVE IT !
Many of us look at ADV bikes with no intention of going off road, ever.
I have the R after selling a 990 adventure. You are right, this bike is planted and is much easier to ride than it's predecessors and competition. Holy shit, it goes too...3rd gear wheelies at 120km/h, top that off with great handling and suspension and nothing comes close.
Yeah I was surprised by the road performance. Great power and braking! A cracking all rounder
Test rode one yesterday. ( looking for 2nd bike ) Love my gsa1200, but boy this was FUN. Great everywhere ... except colours / styling, and ( for me anyway ) the ergonomics. I'm 6ft and my legs were too bent and bars seemed a touch forward. Never considered a ktm before but i honestly loved my hour riding it .
Salesman suggested I lifted the seat 20mm and maybe sourced the comfort/ heated seat option for £180...
Some riders use bar risers &/or liwer pegs to tailor the fit...
Hmmm
I am quite curious to try the 890, compared to the 790 I have been travelling on for 35.000km now since March 2019. But I think I better don't - it might end up as another expensive test ride! ;-)
Great video!! Do you know what the top speed of the KTM 890 is ?
great bike rides amazing
I'm about to go look at the s model tomorrow and possibly purchase. I am 5'10 and having the seat height reasonable with a heavier bike is really important to me. Do you think the suspension is decent enough with everything loaded down to handle medium trails. I'm almost 60 and I'm not looking to single track or anything. Any response appreciated. Obviously the r seems better overall but there's some downsides to the seat height and confidence
Isn't it funny that one lad and his gopro is making better content that 90% of the "professionals". Out with the old and in with the new I say.
Motobob and The Missenden Flyer are the best bike reviewers on UA-cam.
I really like Big Rock Moto as well. He isn’t the most dynamic reviewer, but his content is well thought out and no frills.
What about excessive wind buffeting, at highway speeds, as reported by some ?
Are you reading from autocue? You certainly can talkybob! 😂👍
A very good review, impressed. Good bike but, I prefer the Triumph 900 thank you.
Where is your Enfield twins review,
We have been waiting and requesting for too long.
Hi how do you think this 890 compares to the 2023 standard 890? Are the upgrades worthwhile? Does the parts feel cheap and the brakes on the 2023 890? I am asking because I am looking at the 2023 Adventure and if it is not worth it perhaps it is best to get an older version for less money.
# very useful sensible and helpful review, is a good bike for commuting honestly? daily use and weekend touring, of perhaps recreation purpose? rossover or adventure bike, so what is your opinion? Triumph 850/900 or BMW 750/850?
Any way great video
Be safe
So, it is probably the case that this bike is more expensive than the base model V-strom correct?
Am I seeing this correctly? Is the seat height on the 890 lower than the 390? 830 MM vs. 855 MM?
Can we put ktm 890 adventure windshield on 390 adventure
How it feels in sport driving on road? I have doubts with this and Duke, but the versatility and load capacity of the adventure makes me think on that machine.
Bro please make a review on Duke 490
What is the Seat Hight ?
Thanks.
Hi Bob, how does this compare with the xl750 from Honda?
Is KTM 490 ADVENTURE coming any time soon ?
I'll take the Husky Norden thanks [when it's available].
Cruise control, rally mode, didn't say its optional extra at £860 for the full package... quite important I think.......
Bob you have an amazing channel, and some really cool content. But, (there is always a but in the comment section isn't there). For someone who has stated his love for the 890R in several video's. It's kind of a shame that there is not proper ride or review from you on that bike, on your channel. Is that something that might be changed in the near future?
No that’s a fair comment - I had some problems with the footage and haven’t got round to fixing it up. I’ll go back to it at some point though, or failing that I’ll try to reshoot with a bike from a local dealer
I would not touch one of these bikes until KTM explains all of the cam failures reported on the enthusiast sites.
What brand is the gps indicator circle thing on the right side of the handle?
Beeline moto!
@@motobob thanx mate!
I just bought my very first bike ever 3 months ago and it’s the 390 adv! It’s a blast but I’m already wishing I had more power 😭
Sell it to me.
I have that also, they should make a 590 version, that would be just enough power. Now you have to jump from 400 class to 900. There are rumors of a 490 but that is just a stupid move.
I'd like to know how wind protection stacks up to other bikes (BMW, tiger900, ect.). Also could you give a idea of the fuel mileage on this bike. Thanks
Hi! I own this and about that windshield: I am 183 cm tall, when the windshield is in upper position and I sit comfortably on the bike, the air goes just to the top of my helmet. The deflectors on the front do solid job pushing air around. But comparing to my previous bike, 1150 GS with huge windshield and tank, it is worse. Not bad at all though. Maybe if I put seat in lower position, the air will go over my head? I have to try
So far can say that I spent about half of the tank worth of fuel on 220km, that should make some 450 km on tank? But hey, the bike is raw and I am not exactly traveling constant economic speed all the time (quite the opposite).
for some reason it looks like last years 390... the tires i think, look small
How tall r u and how well was windscreen working for you, thnx
I’m 5’9” and it was good. Not like a proper touring bike, but fine for a few hours riding on the motorway.
@@motobob thank you, keep up good work
Harley is lucky Husky didnt launch the Norden this year.....
They are also very lucky that the USA doesn't have the newest 2021 KTM Adventure until later this fall.
@@toltod true dat!!
Love the idea of this bike but man it's so ugly. I've got the 890 Duke R and wouldn't mind trying this one for the wind protection. Ho'w the turbulance / wind noise on the motorway?
Are the rims Tubeless?
Yes.
Any cruise control?
Watch video
Which one would you choose between the tiger 900 rally (not the pro), and the 890S? Where I live they are about the same price but I think that in suspension, brakes, comfort, extras (heated grips, riding modes) and aerodynamic protection the tiger wins, but in agility, lightness, manoeuvrability and engine punch the KTM wins. I haven't been able to test either, but from what I've read I'd like the agility and lightness of the KTM, and the punch of the engine, but I'd like the tiger more for off-road capability, comfort on long rides and the quality of the package. Apart from the tri engine that behaves like a bi at low and medium revs.
Tbh I’d choose the KTM for off-road cos of the low centre of gravity. The tiger feels like a more fun bike on the road for me because of the triple, and also nicer looking and better build quality. So yeah - tiger for the road for me, KTM if you’re doing more varied riding.
Echt bei uns ist die Tiger unglaublich teuer, die KTM wird hier 2500,00€ billiger verkauft ok 11 Monate später.
Does this bike cruise comfortable at 80MPH? I want to keep up with the flow on freeway without bike being stressed or running to high in RPM. Thanks.
I just bought one yesterday and did about a 100 highway miles speed limit 70. It will run 80 no prob and doesn't seem stressed. I came off a 690 duke and it was stressed at 80. The quick shift is pretty dope. I will say at 80 when a semi passes and gets in front of you the wind is way intense and moves you around a little, its mainly once they get in front of you
I'd like to hear some reports from owners with regard to the reliability of KTM'S.
Always owned japanese bikes. Got my first ever KTM in january. A new 1290 super adventure s, 2020 model. Put on 5000 km since, no problems what so ever. Pure fun to me!
@@erwindenengelsen8144
Thanks for your feedback.Yours is the model I'm most interested in.
No problems met with KTM 790 Adventure
I’m 5’8 so the Adventure R is probably the tallest model I could manage in terms of seat height. The front mudguard is too low for anti-mud clogging clearance and I’d definitely prefer knobbies on dirt tracks.
I'm also 5' 8" and I have the 790 Adv S which is about as tall as I would want to go. I've fitted the R front mudguard because the low guard looks plain out of place on an adventure bike.
Hi! What do you think of this as 1st bike ever? Maybe to much for 1,69 cms with no experience on motocycles... Nice review as always!
you'll learn more on a smaller bike as a beginner, you can get this as the one after the first one
The big question not answered is whether or not this bike is plagued with the same issues the 790 has?
Owners complain about a never ending list of items on new 790’s
It’s the ‘KTM way’ rushing a new bike out to market before working out all the bugs out...
Cheers 🍻
BB 🤞
Not sure I can answer long term ownership issues as I’ve got it for a couple of weeks, but if there are any specifics let me know here and I’ll try to answer.
@@motobob great summery of failures by Bret Tkacs.
Owners are reporting clutch faults, numerous TFT failures,blowing fuses, taillight permanently on...
One owner claimed his bike was at the shop for 3 months out of the first 2 years of ownership.
@@BlazinBlades 1 Besitzer hatte sein Fahrrad 3 Monate in der Werkstatt , wieviel % sind das von 100000 verkauften Bikes . Genauso wird es bei Honda Afrika Twin jemand geben bei dem das Motorrad
dauerhaft defekt ist.
It always freaks me out a bit watching the queen's men ride on the wrong side of the road. I'm always expecting a car to come around a bend and add a little red to those coats. Then i remember the common wealth does everything backwards. Good review though.
14000 Euro in Cyprus, that is bonkers. I think I keep looking for a used Africa Twin ... 😅
£9495 including the Tech Pack(Q/S and C/C) here in Scotland now...if you need an address, let me know...ride it home in the Spring :)
In your opinion . . . better than the Africa Twin?
Es geht nicht um besser. AT ist Komfort und Ruhe kein Race. KTM Wild und Race und Kraftentfaltung.
Was will man?
Main downside of this bike is the persistent questions on why you didn’t get the R.
Ktm will not introduced this beast in India. thanks Bob...
I heard the 750 range will be announced soon tho?
the prettiest bike from them all even McDonald's moto Guzzi is not so pretty :D well done KTM
I still think I want the Tenere more
The tenere is hard to look past at that price point. A couple of grand in your pocket. But I think the KTM is good value when you look at the extra power and tech you’d get
@@motobob Agreed, the 700 Tenere is unbeatable in price-performance ratio. However looking at performance (and range!) the KTM will easily beat the Yamaha.
use me as an "only interested on this bike because of the Husqvarna Norden 901" button
It’s not looking as cool as the Husqvarna model that is coming up,
Why 890 and not 790adv?
go on talk
That headlight is just so fugly . Id love the bike if I could find a custom headlight
Rade.Garage
It's a lot more expensive than a Tenere 700, 10k vs. 15k euros. I don't think it is worth the price difference...
It's definitely worth the price difference if you ride mostly on the road. I canceled my tenere 700 order as soon as I tried out the KTM 890.
To me the biggest factor between the two is the seat height and the center of gravity. If you read a lot of reviews, the biggest complaint about the T7 is the high weight and how easy it topples over. My buddy has a T7 and really likes it, but he does say it is very hard for him to handle in slow terrain due to that factor. As a new ADV rider, that’s a big deal to me even though the simplicity of the T7 and the proven engine are tempting.
I would love a KTM except for all the repair nightmares my orange mates are constantly dealing with. Definitely not an easy brand to get along with.
My KTM 500exc has been great for 40k.
Too bad the pegs are so high for long legged fellow’s...
As a long legged fellow I can tell you it’s plenty comfortable. Granted I’m coming from a Street Triple, but my longest ride was 5 hours (250 miles mixed surfaces) it was only the seat on this that made me a bit sore. It was day 3 in a row on the bike though.
I don't think so it's good for first adv bike, looks into forums where you can find number of problems, some are serious like brakes failure. Last thing you want is break down on your first bigger bike.
Meinen Sie das BMW Forum, ja dort findet man viel. Haben Sie ein Motorrad oder wollen Sie nur mitreden?
First bike if you are rich yeah why not
Why non-R? The R looks much better.
A 200 plus kgs off road bike isnt a bike for off road beginers
That low tank just really looks ugly.
Do the low slung tanks that protrude quite a bit on the bike have crash protection?
Can crash bars be fitted?
469 pounds wet.
Ktm are a fun bike, I wish it is more reliable
I have over 2k miles on my '21 so far with no issues at all. I haven't even had to adjust my chain.
Saludos, Excelente Maquina KTM 890 ADV !! Esta es la mia: ua-cam.com/video/gj81NDu8KGQ/v-deo.html
You are right! That bike is ugly! Waiting for the Norden too👍
HUH ? The Bike is beautiful !
@@whiterabbitt2002 About tastes there is nothing written, cheers!
Too expensive, too complicated
Why complicated? You don't need to use all the electronic features. I have an R and most times ride it anywhere i street mode (ok, I don't do single trails, but a lot of unpaved and I am more of an explorer than a racer) but I can tell you the offroad ABS setting is magic. A serious safety addon. While other bikes just switch off the rear wheel ABS, the KTM will modulate the front brake differently and get you as short stopping distances as a manual interval braking action - always, on all surfaces, even in emergencies. And don't tell me it makes the bike more unreliable - except of the IMU sensor unit everything else is software, not additional hardware. ABS is anyway mandatory in the EU now, for a good reason.
@@kai-uweoch1159 I’m gonna check back later for his reply !! Possible chance that techno phobia may be the culprit?
@@kai-uweoch1159 Es kam keine Antwort der Mann ist wirklich zu bedauern.
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