That's so weird, I always felt like your two channels have this thing in common, the relaxed "let's discuss music deeply" feel to it, so it's great seeing that you know each other, I hope you collaborate with him, you're both amazing musicians!
HELP I accidentally tuned my guitar to 666hz and after couple chords satan came to my room and want my kidney??? what to do now?? try different tuning??
I would suggest 430 with a slightly turn up intonation to 431 hz aprox by ear as equal modern temperament! it´s all in the ear and 432 it´s a good mathematical reference and startpoint and pretty close to the sadja tone you mentioned.. the reference tuning tone in the hindostani classical music system equivalent to a C# in this temperament.. om chanting tone sound!
One of the best tests is to take a tone generator and listen to A at 440 vs 432. The A tone at 432 sounds softer and a bit wider. The A at 440 sounds tighter and harsher. Don't base it on spiritual stuff, base it on what the sound physically feels and sounds like
I think that may be just your ears. Other than a difference in frequency, my brain does not associate those descriptive characteristics. But then I was an electronic keyboard repair tech for 38 years and listened to zillions of tones.
I liked the lower tunings for that reason...seems like back in the day nobody tuned to exactly 440 and you had more variation. The lower tunings were sweeter.
I've always tuned my guitars at 432hz just because I was inspired to start playing by Dimebag and that's what he used so I did the same and stuck with it
It´s called comfort zone and it has to do with the fact that we are used to some conceptions that it occurs that could it be missconceptions.. like what we hear and how we hear it! I would suggest 430 with a slightly turn up intonation to 431 hz aprox by ear as equal modern temperament! it´s all in the ear and 432 it´s a good mathematical reference and startpoint
I didn't believe in this either until I started weeping tears of unbounded joy when my friend tuned the keyboard in 432hertz during a violent but wonderful mushroom trip :s
I thought the "440" tuning sounded better for some of those compositions, and the "432" tuning sounded better for others. It just goes to show that there is very clearly no correct way to play music.
same here. also makes me wonder how many great artists recorded in 432 but were tuned up by the industry. it was night and day for me. ive struggled singing for years until recently doing this
Definitely the best examination of this subject I have so far seen. Having pitch shifted a few of my favourite songs down to A=432Hz a while ago, to see how they sound compared with the original tuning, I must admit I do prefer some of them at the altered frequencies. However, this is because the slightly lower pitch can make the music sound less harsh on the ear and have a nicer tonality. Or, as you mentioned, perhaps there is just a placebo effect.
I would recomended to you to seek what your ear feel the most pleasant! I would suggest 430 with a slightly turn up intonation to 431 hz aprox by ear as equal modern temperament! it´s all in the ear and 432 it´s a good mathematical reference and startpoint
I'd say it sounds a little darker of a tone. For example, horror movies should definitely use 432 hz tuning because it sounds to me like a natural minor
Unfortunately...lying about the test conditions mean this experiment is null and void. This wasn't even an experiment. Nothing was proven.. nothing was disproven.
i agree. The higher tuning is more harsh for the ears. In a way that will tell us that the lower is more healing ^^ because of the straining on the ears with the higher. When we get old some of us looses the highest frequencies.
they do sound warmer. tuning lower usually does. but it only sounds warmer because you also heard the 440 version. 420 would sound warmer than 432, etc.
Sounds warmer/better because our ears are used to hearing music in 440hz. any deviation from 440hz (higher or lower) will sound interesting... and sometimes better
Actually, you're not just hearing things. Longer (slower) wave lengths are less stressful and more relaxing to the body and brain. I personally felt that the lower tunings we're warmer and more soothing.
Try going outside on a nice spring day and tune your guitar to the birds singing. I've done this about three or four times and always end up in the same range of frequencies. It has never come out in the range that would sync up with 440 but always falls in alignment, or in tune with 432. I've also done this with recorded whale sounds with the same result. I'm not totally sure what this means, but it's interesting.
Yes. Sounds of Nature herself! God definitely made the world the way it is. It's actually kind of scary the way certain types (both musician and non) get completely trigged and hostile at the idea of tuning to A-432 Scientifc Tuning. Yet tthey even use C-256 and A-432 tuning forks a the doctors office to test nerve responses and such. Again, God made things the way they are. The fact that there is such a dogmatic resistance to this is almost . . . Evil.
I've had some people resist simply because they don't want the hassle of having to deal with changing the tuning they use to create music. They call it nonsense so they don't have to deal with it. It is a hassle if you're working with other musicians, so that's understandable, but to actually get angry about it? What's that all about?
@@keyboardtekThat's funny, lol. I could think of several sarcastic responses, but will restrain myself. What you are trying to do is to get one string to harmonize with the dominant bird song. This might be difficult if you don't have a good ear, but anyone who is an experienced musician will likely understand. If you start with your guitar in 440 you will likely end up close to either 432 or 444, depending on if you tune up or down. What I did, in all three attempts, was detune flat, well below 440, and then tuned up one string until I felt it to be in harmony with the bird song. Each time it was in sink with 432 inside a 12 frequency range. For example, one time it came out at 420 which is in harmony with 432 and 444. You could end up at 412 or 456 or any variant of 12, but if you have the same results they will fall within those ranges. I never ended on any variant of 440. Hope that makes it clearer.
drums are pretty much tuned by hz. i use hi-tom 127Hz md-tom 113hz and floor-tom 76Hz. it depends what wood their are and layers and size ect ect duh. they sound bad in down tune. Duh. okay maybe thats sarcasm but i wanted to share a little fact :)
You make it sound like standard procedure for drummers to tune their instrument by Hz, but it's really not. Even roughly tuning by notes is somewhat uncommon. Most people just tune to a pitch where the combination of shell and head sounds good and harmonizes with the rest of the kit.
Thing is it's not standard procedure, but I personally like accuracy when I tune my drums. If I'm in a pinch though, I have quick-tuning methods that get my drums sounding good quickly without a lot of fuss. All it takes is knowing how the science of a drum-head works.
Gregor Limbach lol i was just about to say the same thing! Adam's given shout-outs to SamuraiGuitarist before, so I'm sure this is just great munds thinking alike lol
This is proof that there is a conspiracy at work trying to keep 432hz down so we can't get in touch with our higher (err lower?) vibrational selves! ;)
not trying to hop on the 'conspiracies' but to me.. going from 440 to 432 feels natural, but going from 432 to 440 sounds weird and off.. looks like 432 it is.
I always felt that tuning down slightly from 440 gives the music a warmer tone. I almost never tune my guitar at 440 unless I want to learn a song that was recorded at 440.
I tend to tune a half-step down most of the time, just because I like the string tension better and, as you mentioned, that’s where many of my favorite bands tune to. But there’s really no other reason than that. But I was thinking something sounded a little off during your demo. I had to laugh when you came clean at the end. Great video dude!
For me, all I'm noticing is that 432 sounds more exactly on key, while 440 is sort of between keys a little bit. There was something I always liked about songs being slightly out of tune, maybe a kind of other-worldliness.
so I ran the numbers and tested myself. I gravitate towards 426 picking it both times.. thanks I guess it comes from me typically tuning down my acoustic steel string so I can bend it more easily and my interest in nice bass in guitar when I look for one. Lower frequency means the strings are not as taut and therefore cooler for my purposes. Great video!
The rock/metal song sounded better in the lower tuning. But that's nothing new really. Good stuff though, I like that you provided multiple examples across varying genres instead of just one like in other videos on the subject that I've seen today.
If anyone's interested in this subject, or alternate tunings, I would suggest researching scientific tuning and the reasoning behind it. Also, regardless of tunings, there is a problem with experiments of this precise type that seem to be flooding UA-cam. The problem is that the human ears adapt too readily to alternate tunings and which ever song is played next will either sound sharp or flat as a result of the expected measure. To truly test any merit to the 432 hz tuning, you would have to look at things completely differently. Sound amplification, wave visualizations, and how an instrument holds up to the strains of the different Hertz throughout time are just a few things to consider. Perceptions are subject to Placebo effects, as you mentioned. It's no wonder why you came into this experiment and left with the same biase, given the method of experimentation. I don't prescribe to any specific tuning, nor suggest that someone get stuck in one, but I hate the scienceless biases that everyone seems satisfied with. It's as one sided as someone offering nothing on why it's better and saying everyone should switch...which I've seen plenty of that as well. Bah, this world
It´s called comfort zone and it has to do with the fact that we are used to some conceptions that it occurs that could it be missconceptions.. like what we hear and how we hear it! I would suggest 430 with a slidely turn up intonation to 431 hz aprox by ear as equal modern temperament! it´s all in the ear and 432 it´s a good mathematical reference and startpoint! there's also a theory which may has to be what you reffers.. it's called Scientific Pitch Tuning or Phytagorean-Phitagoric Tuning it can differ but not much.. they're pretty all the same base with differents apreciations.. approaches and aproximations to give pretty close results too!
Also to make an experiment of this kind legit.. he would have to actually play half of them in 432 and the other half in 440. Forcing people to choose between two categories.. while lying about the categories.. makes this experiment nonsense.. people were forced to choose between two...when in reality there were many different choices. This experiment was nonsensical and didn't prove nor disprove anything.
Trying to bust a myth using a lie is like knowing the devil lives in the path of the moon. None the less, great job playing, recording, mixing, editing and displaying this piece of entertainment. Good luck going forward.
i think when we hear 432 it’s like we’re used to 440 so much it just sounds refreshing to hear it a little bit lower. none of that healing magic bullshit
Dude, I love that twist you threw on the end. Placebo or not, some of the original ‘432’ songs did not actually resonate with me and I was like, ‘wtf, this is a crock.’
I actually felt that the examples given were not all 440 vs 432hz because the feel was not consistent between the different examples and I thought to myself, this guy can't possibly be tricking his loyal viewers like this but yes, yes you did. Subscribed!
Best ever video on 432 vs 440. Best ever musical examples on 440 vs 432. And yeah, I liked all of the examples because the instruments were in tune with each other.
Hi! I tried 432 hz out on my acoustic guitar last year. I didn't notice much difference at first. But after a while I did. It seemed as though it took some time for my guitar to adjust. The result was my best year of songwriting ever; by a long shot, and with the same habits. Maybe it was coincidence, but it didn't feel that way. I play in 440 now so that I'm in tune with the norm, but if I ever finish up my songs from last year I'll go back to 432 for more.
I would suggest 430 with a slightly turn up intonation to 431 hz aprox by ear as equal modern temperament! it´s all in the ear and 432 it´s a good mathematical reference and startpoint
I tuned my guitar completely by ear with no reference point. The result? I had tuned my guitar to exactly 430 and some strings slightly up or down for more intonation within the instrument.
Hey man! Just wanted to say, I really enjoy your videos. Ive been playing guitar for 20 years, but seems like Ive hit a plateau of sorts. When I discovered your channel, its content began to rejuvinate my urge to learn in some way. Thank you so much sir! Hope your having a great weekend.
I don't think 440 or 432 sound better or worse than the other, but there's definitely a color difference. Gives me an idea to write in A@432, because I've only ever wrote music at A@440
I love this video! I wonder how many MoFo's had to backpedal once you said I lied. That was the best video on the subject ever! great job calling out the 8Hz junkies. I think many different tunings sounds great all depending on the music. As long as all your other notes are in tune with one another it will sound smooth and good to the ear. doesn't matter if you've tuned down 1/2 step or 2 steps or up the same. As long as all notes are tuned to sync your golden.
I still liked whatever was lower in pitch. I don't know why but my ears have always enjoyed the sound of songs in lower tuning than in standard. You're right though about singing. I find myself straining way less in lower tunings and I feel like I can write a better melody if it's in a lower tuning. 🤙 great video and keep up the great work!
That´s cuz your ear is sayin' to you where it´s a better point where sound and music it just feel right! I would suggest 430 with a slightly turn up intonation to 431 hz aprox by ear as equal modern temperament! it´s all in the ear and 432 it´s a good mathematical reference and startpoint
K0r0n1s i asked that now top before i read you're comment. I don't think so either. But I can't blame hin if he didn't because that takes a lot of time.
I agree. It's just BS. I do just like tuning lower. If someone plays at A415hz I feel EVEN MORE drawn to that. There isn't anything special about 415, or 410, 432, or 442, or 440. People try to prove why something is "good" when all they need to say is "I like it because I just like it." 15 or so years ago people were freaking out because orchestras were starting to tune to 442. It's all kinda dumb to me and a way to avoid taking responsibility for your own music and your own opinions.
It´s called comfort zone and it has to do with the fact that we are used to some conceptions that it occurs that could it be missconceptions.. like what we hear and how we hear it! I would suggest 430 with a slightly turn up intonation to 431 hz aprox by ear as equal modern temperament! it´s all in the ear and 432 it´s a good mathematical reference and startpoint
yummyjackalmeat its making others difficult for others to imitate yourcomposition. if theresva note in between mi and fa ti and do ill use it and people whovaccidentally like my musicwill be in a quandary on how to play it. just wait til I can invent a microphone that can make my voice into blended four voices automatically
Wow! Mind blown. I think I preferred the former clip in each example simply because it was an established reference point before the latter. That was a great little experiment!
Don't know bout everyone else, but I certainly heard that the frequencies changed drastically per song. Not better or worse, just obvious to my ear. Having said, that loved the clip! And what an impressive collection of instruments you have. Will subscribe
Thank god people are starting to cover this topic. A few months ago I had to dig to find someone being honest about this "Philosopher's tuning". It all comes down to personal taste, vocal strain (as you mentioned), and the fact that we respond to reference points in music such as intervals or side by side tuning comparisons. On that note I love that you lied about the real tunings! I had no idea the first was above 440! Most people are not able to tell either so this deception really proved your point!
Jeff Stack I'm not sure if you make any sense at all. It's fact that most people love sugar and sugary things... But it's DEFINITELY NOT GOOD FOR OUR BODIES!!! Capiche? Do some brainiac work if you're gonna try to sound "brainy". Please, for the love of GOD!!! RESEARCH BEFORE OPINING ON ANYTHING!!!
Pay attention to how you FEEL. Your ears are adjusted to 440hz so it will take some time for 432 to sound 'right'. But you should certainly feel calmer. 432hz is the frequency that creates the most significant symmetry and patterns in water and particles. Beethoven and indeed ALL music until the 1940/50s was tuned to 432hz. It was changed by governments and media institutions to do with orchestras, as 432 appears to fill the room, rather than being localised. After using a 432hz converter for a while, 440 will not only be the one to sound strange, but will make you feel more irritable. This is widely observed
Well done , sir . I'm sure you surprised most or at least many of us . I hope to test it for myself ,, as best I can , on brass instruments . I am always flat when I tune up with my brass band . I simply play the natural tone according to my embouchure without a reference tone . I simply wonder , in this case if the tone that naturally results may be better , warmer , rounder , etc .
i tuned vocal chords to 432 and now i can sing like a canary i tuned my mind to 432 and now i have telekinetic abilities i tuned my body to 432 and now im a demigod
I was not completely sure about this A = 432Hz thing, so I just tuned half of my strings to 440Hz and the other half to 432Hz. Now my music is resonating with the universe AND my neighbours in whole new ways!
This is only one version of the story and its the most reduc one. There is another much more compelling and provable. Ultimately you need to hear the comparison between 440 and 432 while tripping balls.
Not to mention that if you are moving, you will experience variations in pitch due to the Doppler effect and even if you could account for those, you also have variations in movement which alters how you experience time itself as per the theory of relativity. Then, I also heard an episode of Science Friday on NPR that featured a talk about "leap seconds" and how they would add or even subtract seconds to the correct official time. The fact of the matter is that just playing an instrument, your instruments will go out of tune periodically and no one will notice. Just enjoy the music.
this is advanced. sometimes I record my guitar and bass parts few semitone or even one note higher. then shift the pitch down to normal in the mixing to get more full sound, but this is an irrelevant topic I guess
Sceptic here as well, but open to shifting ..... Was pondering, Hertz also quantifies frequency, representing "vibrations" per second. I'm curious what the result would be, If you remove the auditory variable and focused solely on the bodily sensation of the vibrations.? Would one piece of music feel better?
haha, i heard the different tunings and thought "WTF?" this doesn't sound right. especially the second one stood out really clearly because of the bass sound. thanks for this great video!
Well one thing I know for sure - instruments tuned to 432 are in fact, in tune with nature sounds (animals etc). I once made myself a bugarian kaval (flute) tuned to 432 and I can play along with singing birds. And well, they even respond sometimes, when I try to mimic them. So yeah.
Oddly enough you had me when you started the explanation and I'll only say this. The final example you gave did sound more pleasant to myself. That is only my opinion however and it is always subjective. Thanks for an engaging video!
It's said that 432Hz is the frequency of human hearing, that's why It's said to be in harmony with the universe. Also, changing the frequency of a song will affect your brain activity, showing results of serenity in 432Hz, opposed to the more nervous and rushed approach you get from a higher frequency - 440Hz.
I'd be curious as to where you get your sources and what you mean by that. The range of human hearing is generally considered 20Hz-20kHz with the highest sensitivity around the 3kHz area (where a lot of the consonant sounds are).
I did not explain myself properly, what I meant to say was that we all hold a certain vibrational frequency, and our bodies are estimated to be about 70% water. It's factual that musical frequencies affect our own state of vibration, which is responsible for our own state of matter. Every expression through sound, emotion, or thought holds a frequency. That given frequency influences everything around it, much like a drop of water creating a larger ripple effect in a large body of water. Experimenting with these frequencies led people to the conclusion that music tuned in A=432 Hz is not only more beautiful and harmonious to the ears (This is what I tried to say, even if It's subjective), but it also induces a more inward experience that is felt inside the body, at the spine and heart (vibrational state closer to human body frequencies,). Music tuned in A=440 Hz offered a more outward and mental experience, and was felt at the side of the head and then projected outwards. Audiophiles have also stated that A=432 Hz music seems to be non-local and can fill an entire room, whereas A=440 Hz can be perceived as directional or linear in sound propagation. Resuming, our body accepts this frequency more naturally.
one thing it's the range of frequencies that we can hear and another the frequencies that we are more reliable to get in tuning.. play or even hear in order to the sound and more so by his form and way of propagation by itself and the retaliation that can it cause frequencies not so reliable due to it's randomness and arbitrarily and deterministic standarization that can be rather than harmful!
there are plenty of experiment in physic.. like chladni plates.. tonoscope and specific area like cymatics and other kind of studies of wave phenomena.. vibration and sound that may suggest for the results that are certain kind of frequencies that works in a diferently way in a non-arbitrarily arrengement that can be observe by geometric forms and patterns inherent to the wave sound and explain it in math by the harmonic analysis of forma and the superpoition of basic waves into chart of various waveforms that thrown results that are linked to number or representation theory (128-432 array of number in a scale or harmonic series of number.. 9 matrix number.. harmonic series.. pitagorean scale).. theory of groups (projective geometry.. euclidian geometry..) signal processing (for numerical analysis.. genomic and time-frequency analisys.. continous-time and non-linear signal processing.. reverberation for pshycoacoustics).. quantum mechanics (from string theory to wave function eigenvalue and in general the whole subject by his singularity that made it apliable from the mechanics itself to the math and biology or chemistry).. the tidal analysis to explain and correlates the behaviour of the spheres.. big masses of water and all organic tides to a general relativeness that it can correlate to the neuroscience and the human nature and behaviour .. it seems pretty obviuos that we can just simply study facts and data by separate like the classical science do and make rational statements but in fact that's too obvious and that's not science works and have been evolved ince the earth isn't flat and irrational staments made new conjectures that are finally prove time to time..
Jokes aside the certain frequency of synchronicity as in 432hz and many similar frequencies the vibration you feel in your being from these frequency matches with your chakras of your being are allways going to be feeling happier and free the test was not done right in this video and I'm positive everyone who watched it will agree that the mentioned tunings before of reveal of the mistake made still you felt happier every time you heard 432hz LOVE AND LIGHT 🙌🏻❤
I must be in the wrong Universe - A universe where sounds all blend together for deaf Musicians like me that spent 25 years blasted their ears out , by the way great video.
I like 432, just vibes nicely to my taste. For me it was definitely like what samurai said as far as perking up your ear to something new. I played 440 for over twenty years and switching to 432 was like a breath of fresh air, but so are alternate tunings
When I listened to 440, thought - OK...go on. But when same piece was played in 432 I felt uncomfortable. But it was because it sounded out of tune compared to all first examples. The jazzy one last example sounded OK in lower tuning. It looks like, my brains or ears played tricks with me. Good video. P. S. At the end it turned out that, you altered tunings in every example. Lol 😂
Sorry guys, it was a fluke not a conspiracy
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(Check out Adam's video here ua-cam.com/video/EKTZ151yLnk/v-deo.html)
So no plans for a crossover then?
samuraiguitarist do a vídeo together of "how to start composing music. Do I need to use theory?"
I thought that there's a universal conjunction between you and Adam!!! ahahaha btw, it's great to have different opinions on the same subject
That's so weird, I always felt like your two channels have this thing in common, the relaxed "let's discuss music deeply" feel to it, so it's great seeing that you know each other, I hope you collaborate with him, you're both amazing musicians!
When two people are independently in sync with each other, does it produce a natural harmonic?
HELP I accidentally tuned my guitar to 666hz and after couple chords satan came to my room and want my kidney??? what to do now?? try different tuning??
Jan Szedlak tune your guitar to 777hz and God will save you.
Instead pledge your eternal soul and forever praise our true dark lord Lucifer, for infinite power forever. Or something like that
Jan Szedlak Change to 420 and he'll chill out...
I tune my guitar to 420 Hz and now i can only play Reggae and Grateful dead tunes?
Jan Szedlak invite him to marshmallows grill party and give him plenty of women'milk with honey. ...
everyone knows the chillest tuning is 420Hz
That's the tuning Hitler used for sure
Baroque tuning?
@@ExpiredPork no hitler used 666
Basically e flat
Bach: laughs in 415Hz
Tune to 136.1 Hz. That's Om, you'll resonate with the universe!
I feel way more connected to 60hz. I'm surrounded by electronics.
I would suggest 430 with a slightly turn up intonation to 431 hz aprox by ear as equal modern temperament! it´s all in the ear and 432 it´s a good mathematical reference and startpoint and pretty close to the sadja tone you mentioned.. the reference tuning tone in the hindostani classical music system equivalent to a C# in this temperament.. om chanting tone sound!
The pic is Trout Mask Replica by Captain Beefheart. I also comment on other guitar channels like Norman's, Anderton, Chapman, Marty, Justin etc.
@@yummyjackalmeat dude if I remember correctly thats the frequency of hum a single coil produces
So no tuning required
@@yummyjackalmeat I'm European, here the electricity frequency is 50 Hz.
One of the best tests is to take a tone generator and listen to A at 440 vs 432. The A tone at 432 sounds softer and a bit wider. The A at 440 sounds tighter and harsher. Don't base it on spiritual stuff, base it on what the sound physically feels and sounds like
I think that may be just your ears. Other than a difference in frequency, my brain does not associate those descriptive characteristics. But then I was an electronic keyboard repair tech for 38 years and listened to zillions of tones.
Interesting that you mention a wider frequency with 432hz. Probably why I struggle with my b string all the time in 440
I did exactly that before having read your comment. None of what you described is true. In fact 432 sounds kind of wrong, less balanced, out of tune.
@@StopFear I strongly beg to differ. Do.
realize that anything that sounds different to what your ear is used to will not sound right.
I'm so used to tuning to 440, that the 432 sounded out of tune and horible.
Then again, 448 sounded super perky and chirpy.
On the first one the 440 sounded out of tune to me because of the 448 before it
I liked the lower tunings for that reason...seems like back in the day nobody tuned to exactly 440 and you had more variation.
The lower tunings were sweeter.
It did to me for about a min, but then I really warmed to it.
Wash your ears or ask for brain transplant.
I've always tuned my guitars at 432hz just because I was inspired to start playing by Dimebag and that's what he used so I did the same and stuck with it
GnarMan 135 he uses 425hz, quarter step down
but down tuning is not persee 432HZ or 415HZ
Anyone who has ever hand tuned an acoustic guitar without a tuner knows its all about relative pitch, not frequency.
It´s called comfort zone and it has to do with the fact that we are used to some conceptions that it occurs that could it be missconceptions.. like what we hear and how we hear it! I would suggest 430 with a slightly turn up intonation to 431 hz aprox by ear as equal modern temperament! it´s all in the ear and 432 it´s a good mathematical reference and startpoint
Or anyone who has used a device to tune a guitar to A=432 or any other pitch. There's no magic, just slightly lower pitches.
It's the same for nearly all accoustic instruments
Exactly
You don't get it.
I didn't believe in this either until I started weeping tears of unbounded joy when my friend tuned the keyboard in 432hertz during a violent but wonderful mushroom trip :s
Something tells me that was just the mushrooms
Mushroom synchronicity... mmmmmmm
The mushrooms like 432hz
I thought the "440" tuning sounded better for some of those compositions, and the "432" tuning sounded better for others. It just goes to show that there is very clearly no correct way to play music.
watch the whole video
Rokas he very obviously did
Rokas I did watch, hence the quotation marks around 440 and 432. I don't want to be a debaser and spoil the video for anyone.
oops, my apologies
Rokas no harm no foul
When your v neck locks like a u neck you know it’s half washed
Not bad kid
When your Flying V is looking like a walking U you know it’s half washed
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Looks like he needs some Woolite... or wait was it downy🤔 lol 😂
hey lying samurai guitarists dont have time to shop or order t shirts from amazon !
Vsauce for guitars
TheCartoonCatastrophe 10/10 would watch
TheCartoonCatastrophe no, that's Adam Neely jaja
Shian sho yeah definetly Adam Neely lol
he said for guitars not bass/music
Hey guitarists, Samurai here.
Been playing at 440 for decades and always struggled with singing... until i sent 432 and much easier. big difference for me myself and I.
same here. also makes me wonder how many great artists recorded in 432 but were tuned up by the industry. it was night and day for me. ive struggled singing for years until recently doing this
432 blaze it
Deadfire Grasp thats not how this works
Deadfire Grasp oaa? Jarrod ?
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Definitely the best examination of this subject I have so far seen. Having pitch shifted a few of my favourite songs down to A=432Hz a while ago, to see how they sound compared with the original tuning, I must admit I do prefer some of them at the altered frequencies. However, this is because the slightly lower pitch can make the music sound less harsh on the ear and have a nicer tonality. Or, as you mentioned, perhaps there is just a placebo effect.
I would recomended to you to seek what your ear feel the most pleasant! I would suggest 430 with a slightly turn up intonation to 431 hz aprox by ear as equal modern temperament! it´s all in the ear and 432 it´s a good mathematical reference and startpoint
I'd say it sounds a little darker of a tone.
For example, horror movies should definitely use 432 hz tuning because it sounds to me like a natural minor
Unfortunately...lying about the test conditions mean this experiment is null and void. This wasn't even an experiment. Nothing was proven.. nothing was disproven.
i agree. The higher tuning is more harsh for the ears. In a way that will tell us that the lower is more healing ^^ because of the straining on the ears with the higher. When we get old some of us looses the highest frequencies.
Love how different the purpose of your videos are most of the time, it's what makes it unique and appealing to me.
I absolutely LOVED example 2. I can really dig the woodsy/homey feel to it. Cheers mate!
To me, all the lower tunings sounded just a bit warmer. Maybe I am just hearing things though
Yup, your brain tricked you. As he already said it's a placebo effect.
It CAN be a placebo effect, but it doesn't HAVE to be a placebo effect. Someone could really like 432 rather than 440, who knows
they do sound warmer. tuning lower usually does. but it only sounds warmer because you also heard the 440 version. 420 would sound warmer than 432, etc.
Sounds warmer/better because our ears are used to hearing music in 440hz. any deviation from 440hz (higher or lower) will sound interesting... and sometimes better
Actually, you're not just hearing things. Longer (slower) wave lengths are less stressful and more relaxing to the body and brain. I personally felt that the lower tunings we're warmer and more soothing.
Try going outside on a nice spring day and tune your guitar to the birds singing. I've done this about three or four times and always end up in the same range of frequencies. It has never come out in the range that would sync up with 440 but always falls in alignment, or in tune with 432. I've also done this with recorded whale sounds with the same result. I'm not totally sure what this means, but it's interesting.
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Yes. Sounds of Nature herself! God definitely made the world the way it is. It's actually kind of scary the way certain types (both musician and non) get completely trigged and hostile at the idea of tuning to A-432 Scientifc Tuning. Yet tthey even use C-256 and A-432 tuning forks a the doctors office to test nerve responses and such. Again, God made things the way they are. The fact that there is such a dogmatic resistance to this is almost . . . Evil.
I've had some people resist simply because they don't want the hassle of having to deal with changing the tuning they use to create music. They call it nonsense so they don't have to deal with it. It is a hassle if you're working with other musicians, so that's understandable, but to actually get angry about it? What's that all about?
How do you get a bird to hold an A432 pitch for you to tune to?
@@keyboardtekThat's funny, lol. I could think of several sarcastic responses, but will restrain myself.
What you are trying to do is to get one string to harmonize with the dominant bird song. This might be difficult if you don't have a good ear, but anyone who is an experienced musician will likely understand. If you start with your guitar in 440 you will likely end up close to either 432 or 444, depending on if you tune up or down.
What I did, in all three attempts, was detune flat, well below 440, and then tuned up one string until I felt it to be in harmony with the bird song. Each time it was in sink with 432 inside a 12 frequency range. For example, one time it came out at 420 which is in harmony with 432 and 444. You could end up at 412 or 456 or any variant of 12, but if you have the same results they will fall within those ranges. I never ended on any variant of 440. Hope that makes it clearer.
Yeah dude! Drop those drums 8 Hz!
drums are pretty much tuned by hz. i use hi-tom 127Hz md-tom 113hz and floor-tom 76Hz. it depends what wood their are and layers and size ect ect duh. they sound bad in down tune. Duh. okay maybe thats sarcasm but
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You make it sound like standard procedure for drummers to tune their instrument by Hz, but it's really not. Even roughly tuning by notes is somewhat uncommon. Most people just tune to a pitch where the combination of shell and head sounds good and harmonizes with the rest of the kit.
i work just with 432 hz now
Thing is it's not standard procedure, but I personally like accuracy when I tune my drums. If I'm in a pinch though, I have quick-tuning methods that get my drums sounding good quickly without a lot of fuss. All it takes is knowing how the science of a drum-head works.
You actually proved for me that it does make a difference!
Funny that Adam Neely just uploaded a video with a similar topic.
Really like what you're doing, keep it up
Gregor Limbach lol i was just about to say the same thing! Adam's given shout-outs to SamuraiGuitarist before, so I'm sure this is just great munds thinking alike lol
I literally just watched Adams video lol
They need to collaborate. They're both quite similar, and their videos are very informative.
Im more interested in what kind of music would come out of a colab, having their differences in mind.
This is proof that there is a conspiracy at work trying to keep 432hz down so we can't get in touch with our higher (err lower?) vibrational selves! ;)
not trying to hop on the 'conspiracies' but to me.. going from 440 to 432 feels natural, but going from 432 to 440 sounds weird and off.. looks like 432 it is.
Until you have to play with other musicians in the real world who tune to the standard A440. Then you will be the one sounding horrible.
@@keyboardtekthats called tuning to each other in agreement. Pianos, harmonicas and horns can leave.
you just had a Newton and Leibniz moment with Adam Neeley. Hah.
Calculus history joke! I'm pretty sure you win *all* the geek points. Cheers!
Maybe it was a secret collaboration.
They should collaborate on a video/jam session.
I always felt that tuning down slightly from 440 gives the music a warmer tone. I almost never tune my guitar at 440 unless I want to learn a song that was recorded at 440.
Adam Neely just uploaded a similar video on this subject.
I tend to tune a half-step down most of the time, just because I like the string tension better and, as you mentioned, that’s where many of my favorite bands tune to. But there’s really no other reason than that. But I was thinking something sounded a little off during your demo. I had to laugh when you came clean at the end. Great video dude!
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For me, all I'm noticing is that 432 sounds more exactly on key, while 440 is sort of between keys a little bit. There was something I always liked about songs being slightly out of tune, maybe a kind of other-worldliness.
Listen to classical music like Mozart and Bach. Their music was set at 432 hertz. Very soothing and therapeutic.
You and Adam Neely's video on this are eerily similar given that they were uploaded within hours of each other.
Its because of the resonation of the universe
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I heard this in Michael's voice
so I ran the numbers and tested myself. I gravitate towards 426 picking it both times.. thanks I guess it comes from me typically tuning down my acoustic steel string so I can bend it more easily and my interest in nice bass in guitar when I look for one. Lower frequency means the strings are not as taut and therefore cooler for my purposes. Great video!
The rock/metal song sounded better in the lower tuning. But that's nothing new really. Good stuff though, I like that you provided multiple examples across varying genres instead of just one like in other videos on the subject that I've seen today.
I tune my entire guitar to 432 not just the A. Intonated it to that tuning as well. Sounds fantastic and much more resonant in recordings.
If anyone's interested in this subject, or alternate tunings, I would suggest researching scientific tuning and the reasoning behind it.
Also, regardless of tunings, there is a problem with experiments of this precise type that seem to be flooding UA-cam. The problem is that the human ears adapt too readily to alternate tunings and which ever song is played next will either sound sharp or flat as a result of the expected measure. To truly test any merit to the 432 hz tuning, you would have to look at things completely differently. Sound amplification, wave visualizations, and how an instrument holds up to the strains of the different Hertz throughout time are just a few things to consider.
Perceptions are subject to Placebo effects, as you mentioned. It's no wonder why you came into this experiment and left with the same biase, given the method of experimentation.
I don't prescribe to any specific tuning, nor suggest that someone get stuck in one, but I hate the scienceless biases that everyone seems satisfied with. It's as one sided as someone offering nothing on why it's better and saying everyone should switch...which I've seen plenty of that as well. Bah, this world
It´s called comfort zone and it has to do with the fact that we are used to some conceptions that it occurs that could it be missconceptions.. like what we hear and how we hear it! I would suggest 430 with a slidely turn up intonation to 431 hz aprox by ear as equal modern temperament! it´s all in the ear and 432 it´s a good mathematical reference and startpoint! there's also a theory which may has to be what you reffers.. it's called Scientific Pitch Tuning or Phytagorean-Phitagoric Tuning it can differ but not much.. they're pretty all the same base with differents apreciations.. approaches and aproximations to give pretty close results too!
Also to make an experiment of this kind legit.. he would have to actually play half of them in 432 and the other half in 440. Forcing people to choose between two categories.. while lying about the categories.. makes this experiment nonsense.. people were forced to choose between two...when in reality there were many different choices. This experiment was nonsensical and didn't prove nor disprove anything.
Good grief, stop yogurt weaving this thing. Some people like Marmite, some don't, simple; move on, get a life, enjoy
Exactly the video I needed. Thanks dude! 432hz was everything I have been looking for. What a sound / tuning standard
Trying to bust a myth using a lie is like knowing the devil lives in the path of the moon. None the less, great job playing, recording, mixing, editing and displaying this piece of entertainment. Good luck going forward.
In high school, our band director had us tune to A=446Hz for a brighter sound.
English Brass Bands were tuned to a higher pitch until the 60's. Then they fell into line so they could play down to 440 and perform with others.
i think when we hear 432 it’s like we’re used to 440 so much it just sounds refreshing to hear it a little bit lower. none of that healing magic bullshit
I've always heard of 444hz being the frequency of King David. I'd like to see you take that on.
Dude, I love that twist you threw on the end. Placebo or not, some of the original ‘432’ songs did not actually resonate with me and I was like, ‘wtf, this is a crock.’
i always find that altering my tuning can help me get out of writers block when i'm stuck with a song. Thank god for vari-speed!
Can't praise you enough for setting this up with false pitches in the examples. Well executed!
I actually felt that the examples given were not all 440 vs 432hz because the feel was not consistent between the different examples and I thought to myself, this guy can't possibly be tricking his loyal viewers like this but yes, yes you did. Subscribed!
Best ever video on 432 vs 440. Best ever musical examples on 440 vs 432. And yeah, I liked all of the examples because the instruments were in tune with each other.
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I tried 432 hz out on my acoustic guitar last year. I didn't notice much difference at first. But after a while I did. It seemed as though it took some time for my guitar to adjust. The result was my best year of songwriting ever; by a long shot, and with the same habits. Maybe it was coincidence, but it didn't feel that way. I play in 440 now so that I'm in tune with the norm, but if I ever finish up my songs from last year I'll go back to 432 for more.
I would suggest 430 with a slightly turn up intonation to 431 hz aprox by ear as equal modern temperament! it´s all in the ear and 432 it´s a good mathematical reference and startpoint
I tuned my guitar completely by ear with no reference point. The result? I had tuned my guitar to exactly 430 and some strings slightly up or down for more intonation within the instrument.
Hey man! Just wanted to say, I really enjoy your videos. Ive been playing guitar for 20 years, but seems like Ive hit a plateau of sorts. When I discovered your channel, its content began to rejuvinate my urge to learn in some way. Thank you so much sir! Hope your having a great weekend.
I don't think 440 or 432 sound better or worse than the other, but there's definitely a color difference.
Gives me an idea to write in A@432, because I've only ever wrote music at A@440
I agree exactly. there was a definite color difference.. which is what I've been looking for...
I love this video! I wonder how many MoFo's had to backpedal once you said I lied. That was the best video on the subject ever! great job calling out the 8Hz junkies. I think many different tunings sounds great all depending on the music. As long as all your other notes are in tune with one another it will sound smooth and good to the ear. doesn't matter if you've tuned down 1/2 step or 2 steps or up the same. As long as all notes are tuned to sync your golden.
I still liked whatever was lower in pitch. I don't know why but my ears have always enjoyed the sound of songs in lower tuning than in standard.
You're right though about singing. I find myself straining way less in lower tunings and I feel like I can write a better melody if it's in a lower tuning. 🤙 great video and keep up the great work!
That´s cuz your ear is sayin' to you where it´s a better point where sound and music it just feel right! I would suggest 430 with a slightly turn up intonation to 431 hz aprox by ear as equal modern temperament! it´s all in the ear and 432 it´s a good mathematical reference and startpoint
my father was a piano tuner, he was trained by a piano tuner. he had a A440 tuning fork. the piano is tuned to A440 around a circle of 5ths.
I've been doing this for years without knowing it was conspiracy. I always felt like tuning it to 432 sounded a bit fuller
no wonder the 432hz songs u played felt off, i thought it was just me lol. Nice going there.
Did you also change tuning on the drums accordingly? :-P
K0r0n1s i asked that now top before i read you're comment. I don't think so either. But I can't blame hin if he didn't because that takes a lot of time.
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If he did not, it is not a full 432 experiment.
Fantastic. Best instructional video on hz I ever heard
I agree. It's just BS. I do just like tuning lower. If someone plays at A415hz I feel EVEN MORE drawn to that. There isn't anything special about 415, or 410, 432, or 442, or 440. People try to prove why something is "good" when all they need to say is "I like it because I just like it." 15 or so years ago people were freaking out because orchestras were starting to tune to 442. It's all kinda dumb to me and a way to avoid taking responsibility for your own music and your own opinions.
It´s called comfort zone and it has to do with the fact that we are used to some conceptions that it occurs that could it be missconceptions.. like what we hear and how we hear it! I would suggest 430 with a slightly turn up intonation to 431 hz aprox by ear as equal modern temperament! it´s all in the ear and 432 it´s a good mathematical reference and startpoint
Ricardo Aldana you said the exact same thing on another comment
yummyjackalmeat its making others difficult for others to imitate yourcomposition. if theresva note in between mi and fa ti and do ill use it and people whovaccidentally like my musicwill be in a quandary on how to play it. just wait til I can invent a microphone that can make my voice into blended four voices automatically
415. Baroque tuning XD
Man this video was awesome! I had no idea how good you're gonna explain and exploit the subject!Cheers!
I thought they all sounded off except for the jazzy one
so proud of myself for noticing the tuning trick before you mentioned it
I enjoyed the Higher pitched ones, the ones that weren't tuned down as low.
Hi, Samurai, thumbs up for the insane amount of research for your content 👍👍😅
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Wow! Mind blown. I think I preferred the former clip in each example simply because it was an established reference point before the latter. That was a great little experiment!
Don't know bout everyone else, but I certainly heard that the frequencies changed drastically per song. Not better or worse, just obvious to my ear. Having said, that loved the clip! And what an impressive collection of instruments you have. Will subscribe
This video is exactly what internet needed! Thank you for cleaning misinformation in those dark times! :)
Now I know why I liked only the sound of "432hz" in the first example
Finally a complete experiment! Thank you!
The lower tunings just sounded like a slow record player, having been played after the higher ones.
Well played, you've earned a subscriber
Samurai Scientist, I like it :)
The first video of yours I've seen, and a heck of a welcome. Fascinating, conclusive, and well done all around. Subbed.
Thank god people are starting to cover this topic. A few months ago I had to dig to find someone being honest about this "Philosopher's tuning". It all comes down to personal taste, vocal strain (as you mentioned), and the fact that we respond to reference points in music such as intervals or side by side tuning comparisons. On that note I love that you lied about the real tunings! I had no idea the first was above 440! Most people are not able to tell either so this deception really proved your point!
Jeff Stack I'm not sure if you make any sense at all. It's fact that most people love sugar and sugary things... But it's DEFINITELY NOT GOOD FOR OUR BODIES!!! Capiche? Do some brainiac work if you're gonna try to sound "brainy". Please, for the love of GOD!!! RESEARCH BEFORE OPINING ON ANYTHING!!!
Mind = Blown when you revealed the actual Hrz per second haha! Truely loled
Pay attention to how you FEEL. Your ears are adjusted to 440hz so it will take some time for 432 to sound 'right'. But you should certainly feel calmer. 432hz is the frequency that creates the most significant symmetry and patterns in water and particles. Beethoven and indeed ALL music until the 1940/50s was tuned to 432hz. It was changed by governments and media institutions to do with orchestras, as 432 appears to fill the room, rather than being localised. After using a 432hz converter for a while, 440 will not only be the one to sound strange, but will make you feel more irritable. This is widely observed
440 makes my gums hurt. Noticed It today.
Well done , sir . I'm sure you surprised most or at least many of us . I hope to test it for myself ,, as best I can , on brass instruments . I am always flat when I tune up with my brass band . I simply play the natural tone according to my embouchure without a reference tone . I simply wonder , in this case if the tone that naturally results may be better , warmer , rounder , etc .
i tuned vocal chords to 432 and now i can sing like a canary
i tuned my mind to 432 and now i have telekinetic abilities
i tuned my body to 432 and now im a demigod
You tuned your soul to 432 and you became an idiot of entire universe!
I only learnt that this guy is talented, makes good music and plays fine guitar.
I was not completely sure about this A = 432Hz thing, so I just tuned half of my strings to 440Hz and the other half to 432Hz. Now my music is resonating with the universe AND my neighbours in whole new ways!
This is only one version of the story and its the most reduc one. There is another much more compelling and provable. Ultimately you need to hear the comparison between 440 and 432 while tripping balls.
Not to mention that if you are moving, you will experience variations in pitch due to the Doppler effect and even if you could account for those, you also have variations in movement which alters how you experience time itself as per the theory of relativity. Then, I also heard an episode of Science Friday on NPR that featured a talk about "leap seconds" and how they would add or even subtract seconds to the correct official time. The fact of the matter is that just playing an instrument, your instruments will go out of tune periodically and no one will notice. Just enjoy the music.
The last few seconds BLEW my F*C*I*G mind! YOU LIED TO ME!
Love what you did at the end there
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great work, great video !
this is advanced. sometimes I record my guitar and bass parts few semitone or even one note higher. then shift the pitch down to normal in the mixing to get more full sound, but this is an irrelevant topic I guess
well, the beatles did that in strawberry fields forever, and they've got an amazing result.
Sceptic here as well, but open to shifting ..... Was pondering, Hertz also quantifies frequency, representing "vibrations" per second. I'm curious what the result would be, If you remove the auditory variable and focused solely on the bodily sensation of the vibrations.? Would one piece of music feel better?
My music here on youtube from my band is all in 432 hz and I'm never going back!
haha, i heard the different tunings and thought "WTF?" this doesn't sound right. especially the second one stood out really clearly because of the bass sound. thanks for this great video!
Well one thing I know for sure - instruments tuned to 432 are in fact, in tune with nature sounds (animals etc). I once made myself a bugarian kaval (flute) tuned to 432 and I can play along with singing birds. And well, they even respond sometimes, when I try to mimic them. So yeah.
Idk what it is about the jazz one in 432 but man I felt that one
Stop giving my guitarist ideas! He's gonna make me retune all my drumheads
Wow blow my mind 👍👍 good one sensei!
I was going to suggest next time do a blind test when you do a comparison....but you're pretty sly. Well done!
Oddly enough you had me when you started the explanation and I'll only say this. The final example you gave did sound more pleasant to myself. That is only my opinion however and it is always subjective. Thanks for an engaging video!
It's said that 432Hz is the frequency of human hearing, that's why It's said to be in harmony with the universe.
Also, changing the frequency of a song will affect your brain activity, showing results of serenity in 432Hz, opposed to the more nervous and rushed approach you get from a higher frequency - 440Hz.
I'd be curious as to where you get your sources and what you mean by that. The range of human hearing is generally considered 20Hz-20kHz with the highest sensitivity around the 3kHz area (where a lot of the consonant sounds are).
I did not explain myself properly, what I meant to say was that we all hold a certain vibrational frequency, and our bodies are estimated to be about 70% water. It's factual that musical frequencies affect our own state of vibration, which is responsible for our own state of matter.
Every expression through sound, emotion, or thought holds a frequency. That given frequency influences everything around it, much like a drop of water creating a larger ripple effect in a large body of water.
Experimenting with these frequencies led people to the conclusion that music tuned in A=432 Hz is not only more beautiful and harmonious to the ears (This is what I tried to say, even if It's subjective), but it also induces a more inward experience that is felt inside the body, at the spine and heart (vibrational state closer to human body frequencies,).
Music tuned in A=440 Hz offered a more outward and mental experience, and was felt at the side of the head and then projected outwards. Audiophiles have also stated that A=432 Hz music seems to be non-local and can fill an entire room, whereas A=440 Hz can be perceived as directional or linear in sound propagation.
Resuming, our body accepts this frequency more naturally.
one thing it's the range of frequencies that we can hear and another the frequencies that we are more reliable to get in tuning.. play or even hear in order to the sound and more so by his form and way of propagation by itself and the retaliation that can it cause frequencies not so reliable due to it's randomness and arbitrarily and deterministic standarization that can be rather than harmful!
there are plenty of experiment in physic.. like chladni plates.. tonoscope and specific area like cymatics and other kind of studies of wave phenomena.. vibration and sound that may suggest for the results that are certain kind of frequencies that works in a diferently way in a non-arbitrarily arrengement that can be observe by geometric forms and patterns inherent to the wave sound and explain it in math by the harmonic analysis of forma and the superpoition of basic waves into chart of various waveforms that thrown results that are linked to number or representation theory (128-432 array of number in a scale or harmonic series of number.. 9 matrix number.. harmonic series.. pitagorean scale).. theory of groups (projective geometry.. euclidian geometry..) signal processing (for numerical analysis.. genomic and time-frequency analisys.. continous-time and non-linear signal processing.. reverberation for pshycoacoustics).. quantum mechanics (from string theory to wave function eigenvalue and in general the whole subject by his singularity that made it apliable from the mechanics itself to the math and biology or chemistry).. the tidal analysis to explain and correlates the behaviour of the spheres.. big masses of water and all organic tides to a general relativeness that it can correlate to the neuroscience and the human nature and behaviour .. it seems pretty obviuos that we can just simply study facts and data by separate like the classical science do and make rational statements but in fact that's too obvious and that's not science works and have been evolved ince the earth isn't flat and irrational staments made new conjectures that are finally prove time to time..
Ricardo Aldana What the hell did you just try to say?!!!
Jokes aside the certain frequency of synchronicity as in 432hz and many similar frequencies the vibration you feel in your being from these frequency matches with your chakras of your being are allways going to be feeling happier and free the test was not done right in this video and I'm positive everyone who watched it will agree that the mentioned tunings before of reveal of the mistake made still you felt happier every time you heard 432hz LOVE AND LIGHT 🙌🏻❤
I generally liked the second versions better because they felt softer and more soothing
I must be in the wrong Universe - A universe where sounds all blend together for deaf Musicians like me that spent 25 years blasted their ears out , by the way great video.
I like 432, just vibes nicely to my taste. For me it was definitely like what samurai said as far as perking up your ear to something new. I played 440 for over twenty years and switching to 432 was like a breath of fresh air, but so are alternate tunings
Excellent video. Very well thought out.
I personally prefer 432 because more notes sound beautiful to me that way. I don't dislike 440 though.
When I listened to 440, thought - OK...go on. But when same piece was played in 432 I felt uncomfortable. But it was because it sounded out of tune compared to all first examples. The jazzy one last example sounded OK in lower tuning.
It looks like, my brains or ears played tricks with me. Good video.
P. S. At the end it turned out that, you altered tunings in every example. Lol 😂